33 Palestians/8 Israelis murdered and how the media reacts

McArmalite

Israeli shelling of Gaza, 33 including eight children killed in 48 hours. Four of the children were murdered when an Isreali shell landed while playing football.

http://www.imemc.org/article/53129?language=en&print_page=true

These Isreali murdering bast@rds are the scum of the earth, the scum of the earth and nothing less. I suppose we'll have the usual hypocirtes on defending poor little Isreal and screaming anti semitism, anti semitism, anti semitism, anti semitism. And they get away with it because Isreal is the first state of America.

AckwelFoley

Anti semetic much?

So whats your views on Suicide bombers?

Lemming

snyper wrote: »

Anti semetic much?

Ironically enough .... being anti-semetic would also involve being anti-palestinian.

gurramok

You see McArmalite, its not terror as the kids were murdered by legit soldiers, it's collateral damage instead, get it?

Now, let's see the defence of these murders from those who defend state actions!

AckwelFoley

The OP does not want a political discussion. This is a humanities topic. Not a politics one.

Zombrex

McArmalite wrote: »

and the world is silent

not sure what you mean by that, it is on most news media.

I agree with you that it is disgusting.

FruitLover

snyper wrote: »

Anti semetic much?

So whats your views on Suicide bombers?

Not the same. Palestinian suicide bombers don't have state approval.

Also, you don't have to be anti-semitic to be anti-blowing-up-civilian-children.

Fratton Fred

gurramok wrote: »

You see McArmalite, its not terror as the kids were murdered by legit soldiers, it's collateral damage instead, get it?

Now, let's see the defence of these murders from those who defend state actions!

it is difficult to understand which side, if not both, are the terrorists in Israel.

I can understand Israel wants to defend itself from rocket attacks, but I guess the Palestinians want the same thing.

Still, I'm sure the UN will issue another resolution for them to ignore:rolleyes:

Zombrex

FruitLover wrote: »

Not the same. Palestinian suicide bombers don't have state approval.

Actually they do, Hamas is the elected government.

AckwelFoley

FruitLover wrote: »

Not the same. Palestinian suicide bombers don't have state approval.

Also, you don't have to be anti-semitic to be anti-blowing-up-civilian-children.

Meah. ive seen too many of these threads posted to know that its more of an anti Isreal - anti american thing.

What about all the ppl hetting slaughtered in Kenya? What about east timor? and all the other wars...

nope.. if its isreal or america.. then we seem to get them comming out of the wodwork, but there dozens of wars all over the world as we speak, with ppl getting butchered but i rarely see as much "hate" in the posts.

For the record, im impartial to eather side of the Isreali conflict with palestne.

The_Minister

McArmalite wrote: »

And they get away with it because Isreal is the first state of America.

Fifty-first state of America.

Rossibaby

where are all the right wing imperialists now,hamas are still the bad boys are they?israel are the terrorists and they should leave palestinian lands for good because their presence wll alway result in hate and murder.palestine and ireland...one struggle:)

rip to those killed

Clytus

Its funny how people seem see only one side....It suits the arab world just fine to have a gang of a couple of million Palestinians living in total squaler....the gaza strip is nothing more than an over populated rubbish tip by all accounts.This state of affairs only serves to build World wide pity and support for the Palestinians. If the other Arab states in the area were so concerned for them why arent they taking in refugees from the area?? I wonder how many Iran has taken in over the last 12 months?

Israel is perfectly within thier sovereign right to defend thier country from attack by whatever means they deem effective.Id like to know what made the I.D.F target the positions in which civilians were killed????.....could it have been a position located by means of incoming fire??

The Israeli deputy Defence Minister has given very clear ample warnings to the militants that the State of Israel will not tolerate the rocket attacks and will use all and any means to neutralise the threat.So they have been warned!!

wes

Clytus wrote: »

The Israeli deputy Defence Minister has given very clear ample warnings to the militants that the State of Israel will not tolerate the rocket attacks and will use all and any means to neutralise the threat.So they have been warned!!

Do you mean this "warning"?

"The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defence minister, told army radio.

From the Guardian article:

Israeli minister warns of Palestinian 'holocaust'

Sounds more like a threat than a "warning". A threat that is completely disgusting and deeply disturbing.

Clytus wrote: »

Its funny how people seem see only one side....It suits the arab world just fine to have a gang of a couple of million Palestinians living in total squaler....the gaza strip is nothing more than an over populated rubbish tip by all accounts.This state of affairs only serves to build World wide pity and support for the Palestinians. If the other Arab states in the area were so concerned for them why arent they taking in refugees from the area?? I wonder how many Iran has taken in over the last 12 months?

Palestinians who are in those refugee camps, because they were ethnically cleansed by Israel. Funny you ignore that.
You are right that Palestinians living in refugee camps out side of Israel/Palestine are treated horrible by Arab nations. This however doesn't excuse Israels treatment of Palestinians.

Also, why would the Palestinians leave there homeland? If they left Gaza, they would never be able to return. Israel has made it clear Palestinian refugee's that they ethnically cleansed will not be allowed to return. Why would these new refugee's be any different?

Clytus wrote: »

Israel is perfectly within thier sovereign right to defend thier country from attack by whatever means they deem effective.Id like to know what made the I.D.F target the positions in which civilians were killed????.....could it have been a position located by means of incoming fire??

The IDF aren't exactly trust worthy. I don't buy there story.

Oh btw, they are not within there right to you know occupy what little is left of Palestine, and steal more and more land, and turn Gaza into a giant prison.

Running Bing

Clytus wrote: »

Its funny how people seem see only one side....It suits the arab world just fine to have a gang of a couple of million Palestinians living in total squaler....the gaza strip is nothing more than an over populated rubbish tip by all accounts.This state of affairs only serves to build World wide pity and support for the Palestinians. If the other Arab states in the area were so concerned for them why arent they taking in refugees from the area?? I wonder how many Iran has taken in over the last 12 months?

Israel is perfectly within thier sovereign right to defend thier country from attack by whatever means they deem effective.Id like to know what made the I.D.F target the positions in which civilians were killed????.....could it have been a position located by means of incoming fire??

The Israeli deputy Defence Minister has given very clear ample warnings to the militants that the State of Israel will not tolerate the rocket attacks and will use all and any means to neutralise the threat.So they have been warned!!

Sovereign to who?

Bottom line is half the world dont believe the land is theirs to defend

And how is wanton destruction and butchery of the innocent "defending their country":rolleyes:


Wrong is wrong, whether you have state approval or not and no matter what your beliefs are!

Clytus

A threat that is completely disgusting and deeply disturbing

The Ministers spokesman explained his comments:

The more... (rocket) fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai told Army Radio.

Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Arye Mekel, added: "Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai used the Hebrew phrase that included the term 'shoah' in Hebrew in the sense of a disaster or a catastrophe, and not in the sense of a holocaust."

Sounds more like a threat than a "warning

YES!!!!!! The militants have been warned. they know that Shin Bet and Mossad are operating in the Gaza strip and could wipe out the Hamas leadership in the stroke of a pen.So why arent they listening??

ethnically cleansed by Israe

Care to expand,explain and justify this statement??

Sovereign to who?

To the Jewish Nation and Citzens of the State of Israel...Every Sovereign nation has the right to defend itself from attack.

Benedict XVI

Babybing wrote: »

Sovereign to who?

Bottom line is half the world dont believe the land is theirs to defend

Half the world ?, any offical stats please ?

And how is wanton destruction and butchery of the innocent "defending their country":[/QUOTE]

Who says they are inncoent ?, the people may have been invloved in attacks against Isreal, the kids may have grown up to be bombers.

If you ask me 33 of these scum dead is a good result.

keep up the good work Isreal

Running Bing

Benedict XVI wrote: »

Who says they are inncoent ?, the people may have been invloved in attacks against Isreal, the kids may have grown up to be bombers.

If you ask me 33 of these scum dead is a good result.

keep up the good work Isreal

Wow.


I feel geuninely sorry for you.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if the hamas leadership could be wiped out so easily, are israel just starving the gaza population for the craic?

Benedict XVI

Babybing wrote: »

Wow.


I feel geuninely sorry for you.

your sorry for me is much appreciated, but I am fine thanks

Tranny wrote:

if the hamas leadership could be wiped out so easily, are israel just starving the gaza population for the craic?.

Well it was the people that voted fro Hamas so reagarless of what you do to the Hamas leadership theer will be another set of idiots to take over the terrorist activity the next day.

They ( the people) have brought it all on themselves. They will never learn

berliner

Benedict XVI wrote: »

Half the world ?, any offical stats please ?

And how is wanton destruction and butchery of the innocent "defending their country":

Who says they are inncoent ?, the people may have been invloved in attacks against Isreal, the kids may have grown up to be bombers.

If you ask me 33 of these scum dead is a good result.

keep up the good work Isreal[/quote]You're either mentally deranged or on drugs.What else could explain your views.

berliner

You're either mentally deranged or on drugs.What else could explain your views.

wes

Clytus wrote: »

The Ministers spokesman explained his comments:

The more... (rocket) fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai told Army Radio.

Catastrophe is also the word the Palestinians use to describe there ethnic cleansing in 1948. So that word isn't much better.

Its pretty clear what he meant by the way. Coming up with a lame after the fact excuse isn't going to work. Either way what he said was disturbing.

Clytus wrote: »

YES!!!!!! The militants have been warned. they know that Shin Bet and Mossad are operating in the Gaza strip and could wipe out the Hamas leadership in the stroke of a pen.So why arent they listening??

He referred to the Palestinians (specifically those in Gaza). So we are not talking about militants. What he said was very very clear, the context is very very clear. Lame after the fact excuse aren't going to work.

Clytus wrote: »

Care to expand,explain and justify this statement??

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe.

That book provides plenty of information.

Also, how do you think the Palestinians got in those refugee camps in the first place? Answer, the Zionist movement in 1948, ethnically cleansed the Palestinians.

Clytus wrote: »

To the Jewish Nation and Citzens of the State of Israel...Every Sovereign nation has the right to defend itself from attack.

Threats of Genocide hardly qualify, last I checked, as self defense.

Also, Hamas use the same excuse of "self defense" btw. I don't buy either sides excuse in this case.

the_syco

McArmalite wrote: »

These Isreali murdering bast@rds are the scum of the earth, the scum of the earth and nothing less.

I suppose you see nothing wrong with the suicide bombers?

Running Bing

wes wrote: »

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe.

That book provides plenty of information.

Great book.


I really dont think the general public are fully aware of what actually happened over there.


I know when I discovered the real extent of things a few years back I was shocked and appalled. Just amazing what these people went through and how they were treated and the whole world just turned a blind eye to it for selfish political reasons. Sad state of affairs.

berliner

The holocaust pretty much gave the Jews a blank cheque to do anything they like in the middle east.Say anything and you're automatically an anti semite.

Zombrex

berliner wrote: »

The holocaust pretty much gave the Jews a blank cheque to do anything they like in the middle east.Say anything and you're automatically an anti semite.

Well you might be considered anti-semite if you say the holocaust gave the "Jews" a blank cheque.

I think what you mean is it gave the Israeli State a blank cheque. There is a big difference between the Israeli State and the Jewish people.

Clytus

Catastrophe is also the word the Palestinians use to describe there ethnic cleansing in 1948. So that word isn't much better.

are you expert in the Hebrew language?

Coming up with a lame after the fact excuse isn't going to work. Either way what he said was disturbing.

In what why??....Disturbing to the militants?? maybe the militants should have given consideration to the fact they used dwellings of innocent civilians before they launched thier rockets against Israel.

Threats of Genocide hardly qualify, last I checked, as self defense.

The Minister explained himself...but that sorta statement just typifies the ignorance displayed towards the state of Israel across Europe


I just dont get it......Israel is a middle easteren country that holds the same values and ideals as the majority of westeren nations,so why is it that we attack them so easily?

berliner

Wicknight wrote: »

Well you might be considered anti-semite if you say the holocaust gave the "Jews" a blank cheque.

I think what you mean is it gave the Israeli State a blank cheque. There is a big difference between the Israeli State and the Jewish people.

The Jews/Israeli state are one and the same.C'mon,get real.

wes

Clytus wrote: »

are you expert in the Hebrew language?

I used the translation provided by you for the term "Catastrophe/Disaster". I also pointed out that translation isn't much better.

Also, the term "Shoah" is regularly used to refer to the Holocaust. I don't need to be a expert to know that, I just need to pay attention.

What the minister doing is pathetic back tracking.

Clytus wrote: »

In what why??....Disturbing to the militants?? maybe the militants should have given consideration to the fact they used dwellings of innocent civilians before they launched thier rockets against Israel.

His statement was a clear reference to the Palestinians of Gaza.

Clytus wrote: »

The Minister explained himself...but that sorta statement just typifies the ignorance displayed towards the state of Israel across Europe

The minister was caught out and is now back tracking trying to come with an excuse. As I pointed out the excuse isn't any better, considering the meaning that the word Catastrophe/Disaster has for Palestinians. As I pointed out, they refer to there ethnic cleansing in 1948 as a Catastrophe/Disaster.

I am far from ignorant, I have pointed out that either way you want to look at it, what the Minister said is deeply disturbing. If anyone is ignorant, its the minister in question.

Clytus wrote: »

I just dont get it......Israel is a middle easteren country that holds the same values and ideals as the majority of westeren nations,so why is it that we attack them so easily?

Israel is an apartheid state. Western nations are not apartheid states. There is no comparison between the 2 at all.

If a minister in a western nation said the same thing, he would have been fired already and no one would be making excuses for him.

As for attacking Israel, I am not attacking Israel. I am criticizing there appalling treatment of Palestinians. Murder of civilians and any number of other war crimes, and human rights abuses. Why should Israel be above such criticism?

Also, to make it clear I don't think Palestinians are above criticism either. I just find it odd that so many people seem to think Israel should be.

wes

berliner wrote: »

The Jews/Israeli state are one and the same.C'mon,get real.

I would disagree with that. Not all Jews agree with Israel actions. Israel certainly doesn't represent all Jews.

The state of Israel should rightly be criticized. Still it would be wrong to associate the state of Israel actions, with all Jews.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

that'd be kinda like blaming all white people for america.

berliner

Jews should make their homeland in one of the states of the USA.They would be safe and the palestinians would have their land back.Everyone's happy then.

eoin5

This is a horrible thread and it makes me sad, has anyone got a point here that isnt terrible?

Scraggs

Read the charter before you post on this forum. Attack the post not the poster.
Stop the trolling and lets have a proper discussion.

wes

eoin5 wrote: »

This is a horrible thread and it makes me sad, has anyone got a point here that isnt terrible?

The situation in Israel/Palestine is pretty dire right now. Neither side doesn't seem to interested in peace, actually neither side is in a position right now to make peace.

The situation will probably descend into a even worse mess. I have my fingers crossed that saner heads will prevent further death, but I don't see anyone doing so. Its pretty depressing all round.

Sadly, there isn't anything to say about the situation that isn't terrible right now imho.

Moriarty

Rossibaby and Mordeth/Tranny banned for two weeks. Everyone else: if this thread doesn't seriously improve in signal:noise within the next 24 hours it will probably get locked.

Any racism or personal abuse will get the poster a nice long ban to go with it.

AngryHippie

I agree wes, another 33 families suffer horrific loses on top of rising poverty. It bleak and the Israeli State should be called to book on their behaviour over the last few years, they have abused the sympathies accorded to the 9/11 debacle to push their own agendas, at the cost of the Palestinians once again. Its wrong, But I can't see that cycle being broken as long as lives are being lost. Emotions run too high and people don't get a chance to sit think and act properly, just reactions and excuses.

RIP

Clytus

Theres strong evidence to sugest that Islamic terrorist groups (like Hamas) have no hesitation in either using or exposing (thier own) innocent civilians to danger. Theyd quite happily set up a rocket or mortar position in a civilians back garden....and then claim a "genocide" when the I.D.F return fire on the position and civilians are killed!!!


Hamas care nothing for the people of Gaza....if they did theyd embrace the peace offers that were laid before them...theyd take control of the strip,enforce law and order and develop relations with Israel,in an effort to normalise life for the People of Gaza.But like I said in another post,it suits them fine for the people of the West bank and Gaza to be left living the way they do....so long as they can use thier peoples plight as a handbag to bash Israel in the popularity stakes....the Palestinians will remain living in the conditions they do,with generation after generation of young Palestinian boys being told "look at the crap we live in...ITS ALL ISRAELS FAULT,HERES AN M16..heres a bomb...go blow yourself up in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv"

Israel is an apartheid state. Western nations are not apartheid states

Theres no Western Nation at the moment that has been attacked in the manner Israel has been in the past,Theres no Western Nation that faces the day to day threat and menace that Israel is faced with.
Israel is a country on high alert for the last 40 years...so no its not a system of apartheid...its a stong security system that uses a threat profile to identify possible attackers

What do you think is the only reason Israel is in existance today??
Its the IDF!!
The world is in agreement that for Iran to possess a Nuclear weapon is bad...and whos gonna stop them??..my bet is that it will be Israel

irish_bob

was watching fox news the other night , with concerned faces , the 2 bimbos read out a report regarding an israeli woman who injured her leg in a rocket attack by millitants in gazza

no word of the dozens of pallestinians killed by the idf though on fox

and we wonder why americans side with israel every time

rlogue

I keep reading this crap about Israel being an "apartheid state". Has anyone ever gone to Mass in public in Saudi Arabia?

Put up a Christmas tree in Riyadh?

It can't be done. Because Saudi Arabia outlaws any religion other than the version of Islam that the Royal House of Saud support. That means that any religious observance other than Sunni Islam is not allowed at all.

How many people in Ireland visit "The Holy Land" on pilgrimages every year? Do the IDF stop them from hearing Mass? Of course not.

It's become very trendy in Ireland to see Israel as an outcast state. This is despite the fact that far worse outrages are committed in Burma, Zimbabwe, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan.... But the trendy Irish left can't or won't see this.

Akrasia

rlogue wrote: »

I keep reading this crap about Israel being an "apartheid state". Has anyone ever gone to Mass in public in Saudi Arabia?

Put up a Christmas tree in Riyadh?

It can't be done. Because Saudi Arabia outlaws any religion other than the version of Islam that the Royal House of Saud support. That means that any religious observance other than Sunni Islam is not allowed at all.

How many people in Ireland visit "The Holy Land" on pilgrimages every year? Do the IDF stop them from hearing Mass? Of course not.

It's become very trendy in Ireland to see Israel as an outcast state. This is despite the fact that far worse outrages are committed in Burma, Zimbabwe, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan.... But the trendy Irish left can't or won't see this.

It is indisputable that the Saudi regime are despots. I don't think there is a single person on this site who wouldn't want to see the back of them. That opinion isn't shared by the United states government though, who are perfectly happy to keep them in power as long as they keep selling them oil.

Tha Gopher

Benedict XVI wrote: »

They ( the people) have brought it all on themselves. They will never learn

You seem to forget Israel should never have even existed in the first place.

snyper wrote: »

Anti semetic much?

So whats your views on Suicide bombers?

Yawn.

I disapprove of the brainwashing associated with it. I understand the desperation behind it however.

rlogue wrote: »

I
It's become very trendy in Ireland to see Israel as an outcast state. This is despite the fact that far worse outrages are committed in Burma, Zimbabwe, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan.... But the trendy Irish left can't or won't see this.

:rolleyes:

In the North the two sides have sympathised with Palestine/Israel since at least the 70s. New trend indeed.

DublinDes

Benedict XVI wrote: »

Half the world ?, any offical stats please ?

And how is wanton destruction and butchery of the innocent "defending their country":

Who says they are inncoent ?, the people may have been invloved in attacks against Isreal, the kids may have grown up to be bombers.

If you ask me 33 of these scum dead is a good result.

keep up the good work Isreal

At best he is trying to troll, at worst he is basically a mirror image of a nazi thug. But that's the thing about Isreal and it's supporters, their's no state in the world today whose values and actions are similair to fascism than Isreal. Nothing but it's complete disbandment will do.

I'm sure if someone described an incident where the nazi's killed innocent jews as " If you ask me these scum dead is a good result. " it would have been pulled staright away, but when the victims are Arab, well they don't count do they.

DublinDes

rlogue wrote: »

How many people in Ireland visit "The Holy Land" on pilgrimages every year? Do the IDF stop them from hearing Mass? Of course not.

So indiscriminately murdering 33 innocent people, many of them children, is ok with you. And anybody who raises the issue is, let me quess,....... anti-semitic ofcourse ?

bartholomewbinn

Benedict XVI wrote: »

your sorry for me is much appreciated, but I am fine thanks



Well it was the people that voted fro Hamas so reagarless of what you do to the Hamas leadership theer will be another set of idiots to take over the terrorist activity the next day.

They ( the people) have brought it all on themselves. They will never learn

You must not only hate innocent Palestinian children, you must also despise the English. You are slaughtering their language.

rlogue

DublinDes wrote: »

At best he is trying to troll, at worst he is basically a mirror image of a nazi thug. But that's the thing about Isreal and it's supporters, their's no state in the world today whose values and actions are similair to fascism than Isreal. Nothing but it's complete disbandment will do.

I'm sure if someone described an incident where the nazi's killed innocent jews as " If you ask me these scum dead is a good result. " it would have been pulled staright away, but when the victims are Arab, well they don't count do they.

No state in the world eh? It must really boil your socks that Israel even exists, why you demand it's complete disbandment too.

Get off your high horse and stop being a blinkered fool. There's far worse out there. What's your views on Sudan? Zimbabwe? If you want facism there's better examples out there. Seriously.

djpbarry

rlogue wrote: »

Get off your high horse and stop being a blinkered fool. There's far worse out there. What's your views on Sudan? Zimbabwe? If you want facism there's better examples out there.

True, but that doesn't put in Israel in the right.

Tha Gopher

rlogue wrote: »

No state in the world eh? It must really boil your socks that Israel even exists, why you demand it's complete disbandment too.

Get off your high horse and stop being a blinkered fool. There's far worse out there. What's your views on Sudan? Zimbabwe? If you want facism there's better examples out there. Seriously.

How many indiscriminate airstrikes has Mugabe carried out lately?

While Im not condoning him, and the average citizen lives in a bad way due to his economic mismanagement, most Zimbabwean victims of state violence have been people who stood up against the state. Half the Palestinians killed or injured are children sitting in their homes when a bomb flies in.

Think before typing.

bartholomewbinn

djpbarry wrote: »

True, but that doesn't put in Israel in the right.

I completely agree with you. But what puts Israel in the right is the total and unconditional support of the USA. No matter what atrocities they commit the USA will simply veto every UN resolution that censures them in any way. (I never cease to be amazed why some Americans are puzzled as to why 9/11 happened.) So, they (Israelis) are simply bullying cowards who know that they can get away with anything. But, what goes around comes around, and someday they will get their comeuppance.

smithy1981

irish_bob wrote: »

was watching fox news the other night , with concerned faces , the 2 bimbos read out a report regarding an israeli woman who injured her leg in a rocket attack by millitants in gazza

no word of the dozens of pallestinians killed by the idf though on fox

and we wonder why Americans side with Israel every time

The american media is a joke when it comes to the Israel - Palestine conflict. This is a good documentary on the subject. I highly recommend it.

Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4