POSSIBLE CLOCKED CAR: Buyer beware!

JohnCleary

Spotted this on another forum, so can't take credit for it. Christ, he's halved the milage! OK so we can't see that he's actually clocked it as theres no pics of the guages, but i'd have my suspicions

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-FOCUS-RS-2003_W0QQitemZ270202705536QQihZ017QQcategoryZ9844QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=913948 (edit: images now removed from carzone advert! )

Anyone fancy giving him a ring?

-EDIT- Aparantly he was using the eBay pictures as 'Library' pics until he got his own pics, so it's plausable atm

GERMAN ROCKS

in the carzone it says its in laois and in the ebay one its in england. also in the england one it says it comes with a full service history. interesting

wba88

......screw the irish lads

also says private sale in carzone

JohnCleary

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

in the carzone it says its in laois and in the ebay one its in england. also in the england one it says it comes with a full service history. interesting

Well obviously the guy bought it from the guy in the UK and is trying to sell it here for a profit. While I realise everyone wants to try and make a few quid, doing it by clocking a car and potentially deceiving (sp?) people is just wrong. This kinda cr4p pisses me off. I'm sure the Revenue would love to hear of someone (possibly an IRish resident) trying to sell a car for profit, on UK plates (Which is illegal on a private sale)

Silvera

Personally I think it's also totally wrong for the Buy & Sell to be allowing people advertise their "services" to 'clock' cars!!

Stephen

These ****ers make my blood boil :mad:

JohnCleary

Stephen wrote: »

These ****ers make my blood boil :mad:

Like I said, i'm sure Revenue would love to hear that he's trying to sell a car, for profit, on UK plates. Also if the law could prove he clocked a car he could be done for it. Ah if only I was a rat :mad:

vestanpance

Stephen wrote: »

These ****ers make my blood boil :mad:

+1

Captain Slow IRL

What will happen if you're caught selling an english reg car in Ireland? Will revenue actually track you down and fine you?!

Our man in Havana

Where in Laois is this joker located?

T J Hooker

JohnCleary wrote: »

Anyone fancy giving him a ring?

email sent to him via carzone

vectra

T J Hooker wrote: »

email sent to him via carzone

Snap

T J Hooker

also taken from another forum regarding the same car

"I sent him a text from an old phone I have. Asked him if the car was still for sale as I was interested..

His reply was: "Sorry, I don't have that particular car. I just used its picture while I awaited on one similar to come over. "

weird.

T J Hooker

I've just noticed, the carzone seller has removed the images from the advert now. Maybe he was genuinely using the image for illustrative purposes.

Seth Brundle

T J Hooker wrote: »

I've just noticed, the carzone seller has removed the images from the advert now. Maybe he was genuinely using the image for illustrative purposes.

I was wondering how people arrived at the conclusion that it was clocked.

T J Hooker

kbannon wrote: »

I was wondering how people arrived at the conclusion that it was clocked.

I'd say this thread has now lost all purpose with the images taken down. He must have had an overwhelming amount of interest all of a sudden and realised the confusion he was causing.

caze

http://cars.ifsconline.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=850662

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=736632

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=796291


Not really a private seller I'd say, hope the buyer of that M3 got a HPI check done first.

E92

What's the point in having "an M5 replica" when anyone into cars(and that person has to be if he/she is after spending all that money on an E60) would know straight away that a 53 reg = September 03-March 04, and the m5 didn't come out till I think it was 2006(could have been 2005, can't remember but I know there was no E60 M5 back in 03 or 04).

The "Audi RS4" is guilty of a similar crime too.

The M3 apparently was sold on the 28th of December 07(who buys a car on the 28th of December?).

kikel

i wonder is the seller watching this thread!!!!!

Senna

E92 wrote: »

The M3 apparently was sold on the 28th of December 07(who buys a car on the 28th of December?).

Do some garages still register a bunch of cars at the end of the year so their figures of sales look better? then sell them on for cheaper in the new year.

Silvera wrote: »

Personally I think it's also totally wrong for the Buy & Sell to be allowing people advertise their "services" to 'clock' cars!!

Its not illegal to alter the millage on a car, it is illegal to not tell a buyer its been done. thats how they justify it.

kikel

Bond-007 wrote: »

Where in Laois is this joker located?

This image is taken in Portlaoise. Can't remember the name of the estate.

Worth doing a HPI check on any car bought from the UK

JohnCleary

kikel wrote: »

i wonder is the seller watching this thread!!!!!

This same topic on the seller has been brought up on many Irish car forums. I've a feeling his phone number and e-mail address (if he replies to anyone who emailed him) will be signed up to some gay donkey porn if it does turn out he's clocking cars. Not that i'd have the time to be doing that, but i'm sure there's someoone out there that does

rebel.ranter

E92 wrote: »

The M3 apparently was sold on the 28th of December 07(who buys a car on the 28th of December?).

I imported a 525i that was registered on the 23rd of December, the car was used by the dealer as the manager's car. It was registered to the dealer till September the following year.
March & September are the key years over in UK. Clever for two reasons, it avoids the panic of sourcing new cars in January when every other country are looking for them. It also gives the dealers effectively two "new year" sales periods in one calendar year.

Lex Luthor

looks like he's moved to Mayo since he was found in Laois....!!!!!!!

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=Car&carID=876611

BnA

If he paid the full asking price in the UK, (about 14.5k yoyo) he's not really working off much of a margin is he.

Sure, if he didn't clock it, it'd hardly be worth his trouble.

Poor fella

cashmni1

poor fella my ass, he is going to make €3k off the top. Thats if he paid £10k in the first place. It might be a different car also. Nobody seems to have any proof that this is the same car, or do they?

Our man in Havana

kikel wrote: »

This image is taken in Portlaoise. Can't remember the name of the estate.

Worth doing a HPI check on any car bought from the UK

Looks nothing like Portlaoise.

smash

No proof of anything so far....

JohnCleary

steve06 wrote: »

No proof of anything so far....

Title edited. Need to get the reg of the eBay ad

smash

there is no reg on the ebay ad.... enjoy getting sue'd lads!

Our man in Havana

I seriously doubt he would bother suing anyone.

JohnCleary

steve06 wrote: »

there is no reg on the ebay ad.... enjoy getting sue'd lads!

Yeah i'm sure boards, driver, BMWDriver etc. etc. (This topic is on lots of Irish forums atm) will be getting sued any day now :rolleyes:

Infact i'm sure the seller has plenty of money lying about to pay solicitors with all the UK REG cars he's selling in IRELAND. Like I said, i'm sure the Revenue would love to know about this guy, I think the last thing he'll be doing is drawing legal attention to himself

Seth Brundle

steve06 wrote: »

there is no reg on the ebay ad.... enjoy getting sue'd lads!

Sued by whom? The ebay advert does not mention who bought it and the reg on it is not any use over here.
The RoI advert does not contain any personal details apart from the sellers phone number. It does mention that the RS (and the other cars) is a private sale. However, Im sure revenue would be interested in this seller both from a VRT perspective and from a business & taxation perspective.

smash

well nobody know's if it is the actual car. For all anyone knows this guy could also be a private dealer and could be paying tax. A few people have said that they'd emailed the guy too, no doubt it was usual abusive nonsense when this has nothing to do with them...

If this was a thread that said "do you think this is the same car" then people could reply and be warned but this whole boards lynch mob attitude is getting old! I've been looking and posting here for years but I'm getting tired of all the opinions and bullsh!t, someone says "how long can you have a car without paying vrt" and suddenly you get "are you trying to break the law".... get a life guys!

I've been the victim of car clocking and I don't agree with it at all but there is no proof in this thread and forget about the revenue... VRT will be payed on the cars as they're sold - same as what a dealer does for god sake!

And if the guy is legit then he could sue for miss misrepresentation or deformation of character.

Our man in Havana

deformation of character.

Did some one let the air of him?

smash

Bond-007 wrote: »

Did some one let the air of him?

did someone have any proof of any allegations? No but they still posted his ads which have his phone number and he has since been harassed in a way by member here who've text him and emailed him!

If you're all so upset about these allegations why don't one of you who seem so offended by it all just spend some money, get a hpi check on one of his cars and see what's what and put this to bed! Or would you rather not spend your money, stay on your high horses and keep complaining!

JohnCleary

steve06 wrote: »

well nobody know's if it is the actual car. For all anyone knows this guy could also be a private dealer and could be paying tax. A few people have said that they'd emailed the guy too, no doubt it was usual abusive nonsense when this has nothing to do with them...

If this was a thread that said "do you think this is the same car" then people could reply and be warned but this whole boards lynch mob attitude is getting old! I've been looking and posting here for years but I'm getting tired of all the opinions and bullsh!t, someone says "how long can you have a car without paying vrt" and suddenly you get "are you trying to break the law".... get a life guys!

I've been the victim of car clocking and I don't agree with it at all but there is no proof in this thread and forget about the revenue... VRT will be payed on the cars as they're sold - same as what a dealer does for god sake!

And if the guy is legit then he could sue for miss misrepresentation or deformation of character.

Well why don't you ring him and tell him about this thread and give him a chance to speak? You seem to be so interested in the subject, it's the least you could do

Maybe then he can confirm that he has paid VRT on all of the other cars he's sold, and recorded it all with the Revenue

Mr. Incognito

miss misrepresentation

Is this like the lovely girls competition?
Ir is it like when you take a bird home and find chicken fillets in the ol padded bra?

deformation of character.

Too many swims in the nuculer Irish sea poor chap.
My face.............,
my beautiful face............
I'm mellllltiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnggggg!!!!

smash

what difference does it make if he's cleared them yet? there's hundreds of dealers cars not cleared yet! I don't care if he has the cars for 2 years without clearing them.

I'm not interested in the subject, I'm just tired of boards members talking crap like this.... if you have a real problem go and sort it, don't sit there and type about it! I don't want to talk to him, why would I - I don't want one of his cars!

Seth Brundle

steve06 wrote: »

And if the guy is legit then he could sue for miss misrepresentation or deformation of character.

Thats my point - nobody has been defamed! The only details we have of the seller is that they have an 086 mobile and 'live' somewhere in Portlaoise!

smash

well you could be stopping him from selling his cars!

Our man in Havana

what difference does it make if he's cleared them yet? there's hundreds of dealers cars not cleared yet! I don't care if he has the cars for 2 years without clearing them.

Legitimate dealers have TAN numbers and are fully registered with Revenue. Private people cannot hold on to cars for years without clearing them. He does not quote a TAN anywhere or admit to being a dealer.

smash

so what... does it effect you?

De Hipster

Bond-007 wrote: »

Legitimate dealers have TAN numbers and are fully registered with Revenue. Private people cannot hold on to cars for years without clearing them. He does not quote a TAN anywhere or admit to being a dealer.

Legitimate dealers often have no subscription to Carzone/CBG/other online motor advertising websites, not against the law to not have a website, and the TAN may be made available on request.

Our man in Havana

The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for SW53 FDE are:

Date of Liability 01 11 2007
Date of First Registration 12 11 2003
Year of Manufacture 2003
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2494CC
CO2 Emissions 228g/Km
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval M1
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £112.75
12 Months Rate £205.00

Note the export marker.

This guy does not look like a dealer tbh.

smash

And does that proove he clocked a car? Nope

Our man in Havana

Your defending this guy with much vigour. Anything your not telling us?

And does that prove he clocked a car? Nope

It shows that the car is not taxed and the DVLA has not being informed that the car has been exported. It will be liable to immediate seizure if it is ever returned to the UK.

Fozzie Bear

Plenty of crashed/repaired cars about too lads. My missus was looking at a silver 02 WW ---- Golf here in Galway city 2 weeks ago. It was in the Galway advertiser, comfort line, low miles etc and he only wanted 7000 so she rang the guy. He told he was from Carnmore outside Galway city but happened to be in town that night and he would meet her at Tom Hogans Esso station. So we met him, car was immaculate but it was dark so he agreed to meet at his house the following Saturday in day light. I could not go with her the second time but she told me the Saturday evening he had rang back and changed the meeting place to Grealish's pub in Carnmore which is about 6/7 miles from the city as he was passing there at there meeting time. She met done a deal for 6,800 and was happy out. Gave him 200 deposit and told him she would pay him the following week. I was a bit edgy about the whole thing at this stage but herself would hear none of it. The guy was lovely, he had met her with his two young kids in baby seats in the back of the car and he seemed decent. So i left it be. Then he rings the night before she was to collect and informed her he wanted the bank draft made out to cash and not his name! At this i threw a major wobbly and rang my brother a Garda and had him check out the car and the chancer selling it.

The car had been involved in two major crashes and had been off the road since July of last year. It was rear ended in the first crash and went threw a wall in the second. It was written off by the insurance crowd and the registered owner was a fella in Westmeath and not the dude selling the car. But the best of all was that the name and address he gave us for himself did not exist at all! I knew people from the Carnmore area and they had never heard of him nor did he exist on the Pulse Garda computer!

Naturally we met him again and put it to him that the car had been crashed. He did not know where to look or how we had found out. He simply took out his wallet, handed back the 200 deposit and took off in his dodgy car.

smash

well here's a bit of info for you if you actually paid attention!

here's the guy you're saying clocked the car: http://www.carzone.ie/913948
here's the same car: http://www.carzone.ie/876611

now notice the car ID... the first car has a higher ID so was put up later than the 2nd one, the accounts are different which would indicate to me that the 1st guy got the car from the 2nd guy.... now it's marked as sold - maybe he's trying to return it...

1 - looks like you're after the wrong person!
2 - still doesn't proove that it's the car on ebay does it?
3 - the car has a Full Ford Service History.

guil

same thing happened to my da a few years ago he bought a bmw off a lad in dublin i think he owned a jewellers but he would buy cars that were wrote off and a friend of his in a garage would fix it up then they'd sell them and split the profit, cant really remember what was wrong with the car cos i was only 9 or 10

Mc-BigE

Bond-007 wrote: »

Note the export marker.

This guy does not look like a dealer tbh.

were did you get that UK reg number from? theres a different reg on the Mayo car.
its a pity there no mileage on that report.

Anyway this thread is pointless without proof that its the same car with 120,000 on the clock.
Even if it was the same car, the private seller could blame the previous owner/seller for changing the mileage.