Barnwell, Hansfield, near Ongar, Dublin 15

cpstears

A New Thread for the owners or future owners of properties in the Barnwell at Hansfield Development near Ongar, Dublin 15.

Hopefully this thread will grow. Enjoy

Zaph

TBH, I don't think we need threads for every new development that comes on stream, unless there are specific issues to be discussed such as schools, transport, etc.

I'm going to leave it for a day or two to see if anything develops, and if not I'm going to delete the thread and you can start a new one later if there's something in particular you feel needs to be discussed.

cpstears

Zaph wrote: »

TBH, I don't think we need threads for every new development that comes on stream, unless there are specific issues to be discussed such as schools, transport, etc.

I'm going to leave it for a day or two to see if anything develops, and if not I'm going to delete the thread and you can start a new one later if there's something in particular you feel needs to be discussed.

Right you are then, hopefully it will take off. I know a number of people who bought up here and are in the process of going through the purchasing motions and have been looking for somewhere to discuss the same.

Zaph

Well in that case point them in our direction, new posters are always welcome.

Oh, and welcome to the D15 forum.

PauloMN

Welcome to D15. It's... erm... not that bad mostly.

As regards Barnwell, take a read here to see what your management company will be like.

ghusk

Me and partner have bought a 4 bed in Barnwell and having spoken to the site foreman today I have learned that the date of October for getting the keys may be a little wrong!
Usually there are delays in getting the keys for a new development but I got the impression from the foreman, who is very helpful, that the houses due to be signed over in October are expected to be snagged in July before the builders holidays and could be ready for sign over as soon as end of August. Am going to ring the solicitors to confirm dates with Manor park solicitors so will update when I hear further information.
Just thought I'd let people know so that if you are in a position like us and trying to get the deposit for the mortgage co together you have been forewarned that you may not have as long as you think!!!

oblivious

ghusk wrote: »

Me and partner have bought a 4 bed in Barnwell and having spoken to the site foreman today I have learned that the date of October for getting the keys may be a little wrong!
Usually there are delays in getting the keys for a new development but I got the impression from the foreman, who is very helpful, that the houses due to be signed over in October are expected to be snagged in July before the builders holidays and could be ready for sign over as soon as end of August. Am going to ring the solicitors to confirm dates with Manor park solicitors so will update when I hear further information.
Just thought I'd let people know so that if you are in a position like us and trying to get the deposit for the mortgage co together you have been forewarned that you may not have as long as you think!!!

An don't expect manor park to finish the snag either and the are more than glad to issue solicitors letter on failure of completion (on you part) or to fully complete written agreements issue by their solicitors, nasty nasty company

Pat Dunne

Sorry to put a dampener on the excitment of getting the new house.

But I'd recommend that you ask some of your not to distant neighbours in Ongar Village about the treatment they received from Manor Park Homes and their various Management Companies.

Here is a link to a prevoius topic you may find interesting.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055234146

Kia07

Hey there,
Myself and hubbie have bought 3 bed in Barnwell, we were told feb would be our completion date?? We are in the cresent which is nearer the roundabout to blanchardstown. Might pop up and see foreman, see what kind of a date he gives us.

marksquirt

We received notification today from our solicitors that the managment fees for the 3 bed will be €300.
She has also said that Manor Park have removed the clause in the lease in relation to the Attic Space (they had originally said that it couldn't be used for storage!!!)
Previous notes on completion dates is interesting, i bought on the terrace. I'll investigate and if i here anything will put a post up

Nevyn

Let me get this right, you are buying a house and they were telling you that you could not use the attic for storage ?

marksquirt

Thaedydal wrote: »

Let me get this right, you are buying a house and they were telling you that you could not use the attic for storage ?

Yes that about sums it up. Mad isn't it. Luckily I went through the contract with a fine tooth comb and I've a good solicitor too!
I don't know why it was even put into the contract in the first place.

cpstears

marksquirt wrote: »

Yes that about sums it up. Mad isn't it. Luckily I went through the contract with a fine tooth comb and I've a good solicitor too!
I don't know why it was even put into the contract in the first place.

Howdy, my other half is ghusk above. Anyway we bought on the green. I never saw that in the contract any chance you could give me a refrence to which booklet it's in and on what page so I can throw the eye over it.

Kur4mA

Myself and the missus are on the cancellation list for a 2 bed house in Barnwell. We've yet to hear anything other than a phone call to confirm we're still interested.

ghusk

I've heard that a few people on the cancellation list have managed to get houses as some people have been unsuccessful with their mortgages due to the unstable market at the minute. Our mortgage broker gave me the impression that a good few people didn't get the amount they were hoping for, so you may be lucky!

marksquirt

Hi cpstears, I'll look up the contract tonight and send you info. It may only apply to 3 beds so don't be surprised if it's not in your contract!

marksquirt

CpStears - That comment on the attic appears in the Lease of Easements - Second Schedule - Part 2 - Paragraph 27 and reads as follows

"Not to use the attic (if any) in the Premises for storage and not to walk in the attic"

Let me know if it appears in your contract, it would be interesting to know.

On a seperate note does anyone have any further updates on completion dates. I'm sending my other half to visit the foreman on Friday and have asked my solicitor to check aswell.

lmd

Did you go up and talk to foreman? I was told my house would be ready in august but i think it could be before that. How do you find savills agents? I find it hard to get responses from them. It took over a week for them to give me time to view showhouse. When i went up there was a load of people up there looking around!

marksquirt

Hi will be popping up to foreman tomorrow to talk to him so will update tomorrow night.
I haven't had much dealings with Savills apart from the initial buying. Everything has gone through my solicitors.
The general consensus is that the houses will be ready than originally planned.

Kia07

hi folks,
Haven't been online in a while was on holidays:)

Came home yesterday to receive a letter from savills about new completion dates, mine was originally feb 09 but is now novomber 08.We also missed out on getting into showhouse to take measurements ect.

Whats the story about the attic in 3 beds, we were told they were ready to be converted into a room for use due to ceiling heights ect. Does anyone have any further info on this??? Must have a look in contract and see what it says.

Hope your all well,
Chat soon:)

ghusk

Kia if you contact Savills directly they should be able to arrange for you to view the showhouse for measurements etc. We got one of the 4 beds and we are being given access in the next couple of weeks hopefully, or so they say in the letter, so you might be able to arrange a viewing then.
There are some big changes in the dates of completion, which must be a first for people buying new builds!
Hope that you get a look for measurements!

Kia07

Thanks ghusk i'll give them a ring today;)

Kia07

Hi folks,
Just checked contract about not using attic for storage or walking in, cant find anything about it. Would anyone else have any further info about this, we are a 3 bed with kitchen/bedroom extension???

marksquirt

Kia07 wrote: »

Hi folks,
Just checked contract about not using attic for storage or walking in, cant find anything about it. Would anyone else have any further info about this, we are a 3 bed with kitchen/bedroom extension???

Did you see my quote above. Anyway the builders removed the clause from our contract and signed it so theres no hassle. We only bought a 3 bed i.e. no extension.
I was up chatting with the foreman last week and he still gave December as our completion time (we bought on terrace)

tapori

Hi All,

I am looking forward to buy a four bedroom housr, what you guys think do they still selling it and is there any price diference between current and launch price.

They come furnished or un-furnished

Any detail reply will be highly appreciated .

thx

ghusk

All of the houses are sold and there is a waiting list for cancellations with Savills so unless you ring them, there is little chance of getting a house. I know that there are more developments being build within the Hansfield development but as far as I know the people on the waiting list get first refusual on the houses.
The houses come unfurnished. They only include fitted wardrobes (not in every room 3 of 4 in 4 bed house) a fitted kitchen with no appliances and the bathrooms have minimual tiling on the walls.
HTH

tapori

Dear owners of BArnswell Hansfiled,

I need advice,
1.Is it worh while to buy a 4 bed house in Barnswell Hansfiled, Ongar. Four bed costs almost 395,000 unfurnished means you have to add minumum 10,000 more for furnishing?
2. I listened a train station is proposed, do you people think it is going to be operational in 2010?
2. What is the reputation of developer? i mean quality of house?
3. Any other advice that one should go for it or not, any prons and cons?

Will realy appreciate a detail reply.

Thanks

PaintingMedium

tapori wrote: »

Dear owners of BArnswell Hansfiled,

I need advice,
1.Is it worh while to buy a 4 bed house in Barnswell Hansfiled, Ongar. Four bed costs almost 395,000 unfurnished means you have to add minumum 10,000 more for furnishing?
2. I listened a train station is proposed, do you people think it is going to be operational in 2010?
2. What is the reputation of developer? i mean quality of house?
3. Any other advice that one should go for it or not, any prons and cons?

Will realy appreciate a detail reply.

Thanks

I can only answer three out of the four questions. The first question, I would not know myself.

2) The train station situation is a bit messy. It was originally planned, then it was put on a shelf, then it was planned, then who knows? Will it be open by 2010? I really do not know, they have changed their minds and plans for this a few times so it is hard to predict the future opening with any accuracy. There is a train station in Clonsilla, which is a twenty five minute walk from Ongar Park, it would be a thirty minute walk from the new houses.

3) The reputation of the developers? Oh my dear friend, not only will you have to deal with them but also terrible management companies. I can speak from experience, I worked for a while with the residents of Ongar and the developers and management companies are terrible. There was protests from the local community and politicians on the weekend the showhouses were open to potential buyers. There is a huge huge giant long list of unfinished work and terrible service. In Ongar, it really has made some of the residents lives a misery, not all but a good amount. So to those who bought property there, I hope they treat you well, but looking at their past and present developments, that is really unlikely.

Quality of houses? Well, there is a mixture of styles so some are good, some are bad. I know the apartments under town houses have awful problems with noise from their upstairs neighbours. It is not because of noisy neighbours but rather the design of the houses in Ongar and they can hear EVERYTHING. In my place, we had to get every window replaced because the original ones were actually falling out, you could see the whole window slowly coming out, cost a hell of a lot to replace. These are new houses so that should not happen. A lot of residents have huge problems with their boilers. Again this should not happen since they are such new houses.

There are many other things to look at when thinking of buying, firstly look at the tons of apartments and houses being sold in Ongar, that is not a good sign. The village still has lots of empty units which have never been filled. There is no sign these will be filled at all. The layout, roads and paths, is an absolute joke and is dangerous to everyone who uses it. On a positive note, it is a quiet area, not many scumbags, schools are being built and there is a chance the village will develop more.

4) Whether you should go for it or not. Yeah it is a grand area, it has problems, some of them are quite bad, but for most people it is okay and they do not encounter these problems. I would only recommend in D15, Ongar and Tyrellstown as new developments to live in. The rest seem really awful. But both of these are the best of a bad lot. <snip>

oblivious

PaintingMedium wrote: »

In my place, we had to get every window replaced because the original ones were actually falling out, you could see the whole window slowly coming out, cost a hell of a lot to replace. These are new houses so that should not happen. A lot of residents have huge problems with their boilers. Again this should not happen since they are such new houses.

I would have thought this would be covered under the structural fund?

PaintingMedium

oblivious wrote: »

I would have thought this would be covered under the structural fund?

Nope!:mad:

jj60

I have a holding deposit down on one of the 3 beds, no extension. Contracts are with my solicitor. Considering the current economic climate, are these houses still such good value at €299,950. I've seen other similar second hand houses for just over the 300K mark that would not need any work in the same area

bazni

Hi myself and my partner bought a end of terrence and have been told we might not have a side gate does anyone have any information on this?

ghusk

bazni wrote: »

Hi myself and my partner bought a end of terrence and have been told we might not have a side gate does anyone have any information on this?

Hi Banzi,
My self and my partner also bought an end of terrace house and there is no side entrance on the houses. The only houses with side entrances are the detached houses, as the terrace houses have detached houses with the gardens backing directly onto the terrace.

Hope this information helps.

bazni

Hi Ghusk,

Thanks for that information however the house that we got is not attached to a detached house we have appartments near us. The girls in Savaills said they might put one in if there is room i am a bit disapointed as it was 15k more than a mid terrace. Do you think the builder might know if we went up to talk to him?
Also on the plans it does not show that the 2 bed show house has a said gate but it does so hopefully we will have one!

ghusk

bazni wrote: »

Hi Ghusk,

Thanks for that information however the house that we got is not attached to a detached house we have appartments near us. The girls in Savaills said they might put one in if there is room i am a bit disapointed as it was 15k more than a mid terrace. Do you think the builder might know if we went up to talk to him?
Also on the plans it does not show that the 2 bed show house has a said gate but it does so hopefully we will have one!

Hi Banzi,

I did ask and the estate agents said that there would be no side gate. I think that we must be backing onto each other as we also have apartments near us. We bought on the Green no. 17.
If we were to get a side gate I'd be delighted, but I am not keeping my hopes up!
Let us know how you get on if you do ring the estate agent.

Thanks

bazni

I spoke with her this morning she said we wont know till all the foundations have been laid. Our house is No.15 the Terrance. I just had a look at the map and i see the Apartments are backing on to your house were they are beside our one! I have made a appointment to go and view the house again on Wed evening again so i will talk to her then and hopefully see the builder he might be able to help.

I will keep you informed thanks for your help.

Bazni!

Kia07

Anyone know if completion dates still going according to plan??

Was hoping to get electric showers put in by plumber while house being built and fixing up the extra few bob. Rang and spoke to plumbing company and was told we have to wait till house is completed and contracts signed before any extras can be done. Just wondering if anyone has any info on this??

ghusk

Kia07 wrote: »

Anyone know if completion dates still going according to plan??

Was hoping to get electric showers put in by plumber while house being built and fixing up the extra few bob. Rang and spoke to plumbing company and was told we have to wait till house is completed and contracts signed before any extras can be done. Just wondering if anyone has any info on this??

Hi Kia,

I rang the site forman about this as i also wanted to get a few little bits done (as we were told we could do on the changes sheet!) but the foreman said that due to the very tight schedule to get the houses completed on time no additional work can be carried out by the contractors until the houses have been signed over. To be honest I think that you would be better off getting your own plummer in once you get the keys as I'd say that the site plummer won't have time if he is working on a tight schedule to get the other remaining houses in the phases completed!
In relation to the completition dates, I spoke to the foreman two weeks ago and he said that the dates that Savills sent out the last time are fairly accurate give or take a week or two. The first releases are due to be snagged Aug / Sept and the others from the dates provided.
Hopefully this will be on of the first ever developments that will actually be completed on time!

Hope this helps!

tapori

Dear Barnwell future residents,

I hope you all have notice economy shift, i can see big decrease in prices for many houses.
There are still some houses avaiable in Barnwell for sale, what you guys recommend ....is it good time to buy or i shall wait for 2nd phase of Barnwell?
Will realy appreciate a detail reply.

Thanks

SAD

paddyred9

ghusk wrote: »

Hi Banzi,

I did ask and the estate agents said that there would be no side gate. I think that we must be backing onto each other as we also have apartments near us. We bought on the Green no. 17.
If we were to get a side gate I'd be delighted, but I am not keeping my hopes up!
Let us know how you get on if you do ring the estate agent.

Thanks

Hello Folks,
Brand new member and also future resident of Barnwell.

Ghusk, Which one is number 17? is that the end of terrace? I've bought number 18 which is the detached 4 bed,

Looks like we're going to be neighbours

ghusk

paddyred9 wrote: »

Hello Folks,
Brand new member and also future resident of Barnwell.

Ghusk, Which one is number 17? is that the end of terrace? I've bought number 18 which is the detached 4 bed,

Looks like we're going to be neighbours

Hi paddyred9,

I'm so confused about the layout at the minute so I have no idea to be honest! We are the end of the terrace on Barnwell Green and I think that there are apartments at the side of us, so I think that you are just across the way at the end of the terrace opposite us.

Just to let you all know, I was talking to a friend yesterday who is interested in an end of terrance 4 bed and she was quoted €10k over the price that we paid originally so looks like the houses have gained value already!?

The site also isn't taking builders holidays (half taking week one, then the other half week two) so the snagging should be running on time and the houses should be signed off pretty quickly.

Hope everyone else is chugging along nicely with plans etc and aren't having too much hassle in relation to mortgages etc!

Best of luck and was thinking it might be nice for us all to meet for a drink when we get in and settled to get to know each other as there are too many estates around where nobody knows anyone else!

paddyred9

Ghusk,

I think you're right we're on the corner oposite the Apts.
As for the finish date, I live around the area and I've been checking on it regularly they seem to be close to completion.
If anynoe is confused my advice would be to contact Ciara in the site office. Shes a lovely woman who is very helpful about all the type of questions I've seen on here.

As for the rise in value, the developers decided to bite the bullet on this and sell these houses at a lower end of the market. At the moment as you know its all over the place so most people are still asking for too much which is leading people to look for the cheaper developments, which in turn is creating a demand for places like barnwell. Thats why the price would have gone up in value already. Theres still a huge waiting list so wheres theres a demand the prices will rise!

Have to sign papers again today at lunch as our rate has gone up on the morgage.
Great idea on the few drinks would be nice to get a community going in the new place. Nice to meet the neighbours!

ghusk

paddyred9 wrote: »

Have to sign papers again today at lunch as our rate has gone up on the morgage.
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Do you mind me asking, did you go through the onsite mortgage company to get your mortgage?

paddyred9

No i dont mind,

Yea we went through simply morgages. Did you?

They got us a morgage but i think its actually with Permenant TSB thats supplying the morgage.

paddyred9

bazni wrote: »

I spoke with her this morning she said we wont know till all the foundations have been laid. Our house is No.15 the Terrance. I just had a look at the map and i see the Apartments are backing on to your house were they are beside our one! I have made a appointment to go and view the house again on Wed evening again so i will talk to her then and hopefully see the builder he might be able to help.

I will keep you informed thanks for your help.

Bazni!

Small world banzi!!

bazni

Hi Paddy,

thanks for sending them details on to me i am going to make contact with her now! there migth be a delay on my house because of the apartments for health and saftey reasons i might not be able to move in till May but noone seems to be able to answer this hopefully she will be able to help.
Thanks again for the details.

paddyred9

I've Just been down meeting with the solicitor and it looks like the parking spaces are all public spaces? none dedicated, anyone heard about this?

Mine is a 4 bed detached and the car parking spaces are actually in a type of drive way down the side of the house, I dont get why we dont get dedicated parking..

cpstears

we were told that the car spaces right outside the house in the 'driveway' belong to the house and in the contract we got it listed them as being cobble locked and park of our house.

duran

bazni wrote: »

Hi Ghusk,

Thanks for that information however the house that we got is not attached to a detached house we have appartments near us. The girls in Savaills said they might put one in if there is room i am a bit disapointed as it was 15k more than a mid terrace. Do you think the builder might know if we went up to talk to him?
Also on the plans it does not show that the 2 bed show house has a said gate but it does so hopefully we will have one!

hi guys

i spoke to the site manager today and he confirmed that "end of terrace" does not mean "side entrance". it merely means there are neighbours only on one side. i was also told by the estate agents and Ciara that they would put one in if there was room but the guy i spoke to today said that is possible because the plans were lodged with the land registry and they cannot change them now. i also paid for an end of terrace and am regretting it now - money for nothing in my opinion.

re: changes - guy also confirmed that these will be made post completion - i.e at your own cost. again hok said we did not have to have a bathroom off the kitchen - they simply wouldn't put in the toilet and sink (as in the Fuscia non-extended). i've now learned they have to be put in to meet compliance issues and it is up to you to have them taken out.

re: "no storage or walking in attic" - i will ask my solicitor about this one - if that was in any contract - i would seriously question the quality of the floor in attic/ceiling on second floor.

re: management company. i am trying to get involved in the residents committee in Ongar (am living in Ongar Park at the moment). it is in everyone's interest to get rid of Wallis Managment company - they do nothing and then do not hesitate on sending debt collection letters from solicitors when payments are late.

sorry this sounds a bit negtive but it is better to address all these issues before we all move in.

re: drinks - good plan!

oblivious

paddyred9 wrote: »

I've Just been down meeting with the solicitor and it looks like the parking spaces are all public spaces? none dedicated, anyone heard about this

all the parking in the estates is on a first come bases, it generally works out as long as people don't park large commercials vehicles or have excessive number of cars.

I think the parking is base of 1.5 cars per three bedroom dwelling or the part of

paddyred9

I was told originally that i'd have two car parking spaces dedicated, my house is in a cul de sac and the "driveway" is litterally along the side of my house so I dont see how it would work for it to be public parking.

On the attic floors thats a bit harsh, Altho in the 4 bed detached houses the attics are pre converted..