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'Uncool' Musicians That Have Had Very Cool Songs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    How are Aerosmith uncool?

    Rick Astley - 'Never Gonna Give You Up' :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Semisonic - Secret Smile

    They couldn't even qualify as geek chic but that song is phenomenal


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    How about Weezer? Uncool, but so many good songs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    How about Weezer? Uncool, but so many good songs.

    Examples?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    How are Aerosmith uncool?

    Good god, in what way are Aerosmith cool?!

    Chris deBurgh is probably the single most uncool man in the world, kind of like the anti-cool but get a couple of jars in me and I get a hankering to sing "Patricia The Stripper" or listen to "Spanish Train".

    Likewise Billy Joel, not hip but some f his songs have great narratives - Piano Man in particular.

    Not that I would admit this to anyone who knew me!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Semisonic - Secret Smile

    They couldn't even qualify as geek chic but that song is phenomenal

    Good song alright but not a patch on 'Closing Time'
    eo980 wrote: »
    Examples?

    'Buddy Holly', 'The Sweater Song', 'Say It Ain't So', 'Island In The Sun', 'Dope Nose', 'Keep Fishin', 'Burndt Jamb'.....I could go on. Great band.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Creature


    Aw come on man you can't put Aerosmith in the same category as Cliff Richard, thats just not right.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    What about Talking heads? Are they considered uncool? I think they rule. Road to Nowhere for example.
    or Kraftwerk... Autobahn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Creature wrote: »
    Aw come on man you can't put Aerosmith in the same category as Cliff Richard, thats just not right.

    Oh we can we can. C'mon they are both uncool, but both have at least one great song.
    What about Talking heads? Are they considered uncool? I think they rule. Road to Nowhere for example.
    or Kraftwerk... Autobahn.

    I would have thought Talking Heads were a respected 80's band. Maybe I'm wrong though as I don't know much about them apart from that song, which is great by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Creature


    eo980 wrote: »
    Oh we can we can. C'mon they are both uncool, but both have at least one great song.

    Never!! Aerosmith will never be uncool and nevermind one great song they have two whole albums full of great songs!


    May the great music gods smite you for likening the Smith to Cliff Richard.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Wtf is "cool"? If Aerosmith aren't "cool" then I don't think I wanna know what it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    eo980 wrote: »
    I would have thought Talking Heads were a respected 80's band. Maybe I'm wrong though as I don't know much about them apart from that song, which is great by the way.

    David Byrne is probably considered a bit of a nerd. Doesn't stop him from being cool though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Since when were Weezer and Talking Heads "uncool".

    Off the top of my head i'd say:
    Robbie Williams: "Feel".
    GNR: "Don't cry", "November Rain" and "Sweet Child o' Mine" (oh wait.. GNR are officially cool again aren't they :D:confused: ).
    John Secada: "Just another Day" :o
    Linkin Park: A lot of their stuff.
    Roy Orbison: "Mystery Girl".
    Madonna: A lot of her early stuff is really good pop (many would say "uncool" though).
    Depeche Mode: All stuff is good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    tech77 wrote: »
    Since when were Weezer and Talking Heads "uncool".

    Off the top of my head i'd say:
    Robbie Williams: "Feel".
    GNR: "Don't cry", "November Rain" and "Sweet Child o' Mine" (oh wait.. GNR are officially cool again aren't they :D:confused: ).
    John Secada: "Just another Day" :o
    Linkin Park: A lot of their stuff.
    Roy Orbison: "Mystery Girl".
    Madonna: A lot of her early stuff is really good pop (many would say "uncool" though).
    Depeche Mode: All stuff is good.

    Don't you dare be ashamed. What a top tune that is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    tech77 wrote: »
    GNR: "Don't cry", "November Rain" and "Sweet Child o' Mine" (oh wait.. GNR are officially cool again aren't they :D:confused: ).

    When were they uncool?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Ok as if claiming Aerosmith were uncool was bad enough, somebody's now mentioned Guns n Roses. This thread has officially failed.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    FAILED! Aerosmith are ****ing kick ****ing ass. And GNR? GNR are the coolest band in the history of cool. GNR rule.
    What next? Feckin ACDC? Led Zeppelin? If guns n roses and Aerosmith arent cool then who in the hell are cool?
    the Fonz?
    **** Fonzy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Don't you dare be ashamed. What a top tune that is.

    Nah, it's defo a guilty pleasure. :D
    Easy-listening aside though, it is quite a good song imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    OK how about:
    1. Dido's contribution to Eminem's "Stan" (I think poor oul' Dido comes in for a lot of unfair criticism but i think she's ok).
    2. Phil Collins (arguably the king of "uncool"): "In the air tonight"- Drum solo FTW. :)
    3. Also who could forget Journey (generally "uncool" band): "Don't stop believing"
    4. Alison Krauss (not exactly hip, Robert Plant association notwithstanding): "Baby, now that i've found you" (i think it's "cool" anyway)

    Edit: BTW Love the video for "Islands in the sun" by Weezer. Simply a beautiful song.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    tech77 wrote: »
    OK how about:
    1. Dido's contribution to Eminem's "Stan" (I think poor oul' Dido comes in for a lot of unfair criticism but i think she's ok).
    2. Phil Collins (arguably the king of "uncool"): "In the air tonight"- Drum solo FTW. :)
    3. Also who could forget Journey (generally "uncool" band): "Don't stop believing"

    1. I f*ckin love Dildo. She's got some crackin tunes and she's hot
    2. Like a bit of Genesis and his solo stuff so I'm down with that.
    3. Journey have now been made cool by 16-18 year olds on bebo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    FAILED! Aerosmith are ****ing kick ****ing ass. And GNR? GNR are the coolest band in the history of cool. GNR rule.
    What next? Feckin ACDC? Led Zeppelin? If guns n roses and Aerosmith arent cool then who in the hell are cool?
    the Fonz?
    **** Fonzy.

    While coolness is an indefinable quality, I can state with absolute certainty that neither Aerosmith nor G'n'R were cool.

    Uncool: Extreme, Cool Song: More than Words :cool: :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    While coolness is an indefinable quality, I can state with absolute certainty that neither Aerosmith nor G'n'R were cool.

    Uncool: Extreme, Cool Song: More than Words :cool: :o

    HHmnnnn not a bad example.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    eo980 wrote: »
    Aerosmith - Dream On (Ignore the crappy video)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtJu-0eTUSU
    Not uncool - some cheesy songs but their lifestyles of rock n roll excess ensured they would never occupy the "uncool" category (whereas, for instance, Mike and the Mechanics are really disciplined and goody-two-shoes).
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Rick Astley - 'Never Gonna Give You Up' :cool:
    That's kind of a different thing - "songs you know are sh1t but you like".
    How about Weezer? Uncool, but so many good songs.
    No way are Weezer uncool - they've got a "nerdy" image going on but it's kind of ironic.
    Billy Joel, not hip but some f his songs have great narratives - Piano Man in particular.
    Perfect example. Goodnight Saigon is absolute quality.
    What about Talking heads? Are they considered uncool? I think they rule. Road to Nowhere for example.
    or Kraftwerk... Autobahn.
    Absolutely no way are Talking Heads or Kraftwerk uncool - seriously. Geeky, but definitely not uncool.
    tech77 wrote: »
    GNR: "Don't cry", "November Rain" and "Sweet Child o' Mine" (oh wait.. GNR are officially cool again aren't they :D:confused: ).
    They were never uncool.
    Linkin Park: A lot of their stuff.
    They're not really "uncool" in the Billy Joel sense, they're just sh1t. But I'm sure they have the odd catchy song.
    Roy Orbison: "Mystery Girl".
    The Big "O" is definitely not uncool.
    Madonna: A lot of her early stuff is really good pop (many would say "uncool" though).
    Not a hope is her early stuff uncool. I would say her recent stuff is.
    Depeche Mode: All stuff is good.
    Not uncool - their stuff pre 1986 was sh1t (apart from New Life and Everything Counts) but they weren't uncool in the Billy Joel sense.
    tech77 wrote: »
    Phil Collins (arguably the king of "uncool"): "In the air tonight"- Drum solo FTW. :)
    Yes, perfect example. The Philster and Genesis have tons of great songs: The aforementioned In The Air Tonight, Mama, Turn it on Again, Land of Confusion, Invisible Touch, Take Me Home - quality.
    Also who could forget Journey (generally "uncool" band): "Don't stop believing"
    Very uncool band, but Don't Stop Believin' was recognised as a fantastic song long before all the hype last year.
    All the stuff that fits into the same category as Journey - late 70s/early 80s corporate rock like REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Air Supply, the term "uncool" was invented specifically for those acts...

    I think a lot of power ballads rock. E.g. Alone and These Dreams by Heart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    While coolness is an indefinable quality, I can state with absolute certainty that neither Aerosmith nor G'n'R were cool.

    I'm certain i disagree.. not a massive fan of Aerosmith but G'n'R were a very cool band back in the 90's any band with Slash has to be cool. And i thought semisonic were a pretty good band my favourite song being "act naturally"

    I agree with The Dudess


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I think this matches the thread defintion

    Warning: Link Contains 100% Osmonds

    Dig that Moog :)

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭Rigsby


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    Wtf is "cool"?


    I was thinking that myself :confused: :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    Rigsby wrote: »
    I was thinking that myself :confused: :rolleyes:

    If you were cool you'd understand. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    "Cool" isn't always easy to define, "uncool" is easier. Westlife are uncool - and that's a fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Driver 8


    Neil Diamond all the way! :p Oodles of great songs in his early work, and his recent Rick Rubin produced album. And very uncool ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    See that collaboration proves that even the great RR can't work his magic on everybody...

    Aerosmith are really, really, really uncool. Cool people are people that you just want to be. A cool person you would sell your mum to be for a week. A really cool person you would sell your kidney to be for 24 hours. So I'd sell Mum to be as cool as Johnny Cash was or my kidney to be as cool as Elvis in '56. Now I would happily sell any of my bodily organs NOT to be Billy Joel or Phil Collins (or Chris de Burgh for that matter).

    Apart from "Walk this way" with Run DMC Aerosmith are not cool.

    Back OT and another vote for Phil Collins, I grin every time I hear "Easy Lover". Not sure it's a cool song though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭noby


    tech77 wrote: »
    3. Also who could forget Journey (generally "uncool" band): "Don't stop believing"

    Nobody could forget Journey. It's on the radio constantly since being used in the Sopranos. I'd like to forget it though.


    Kraftwerk are the coolest band of the last thirty years.


    I should add I'm using the '50s definition of cool. Perhaps the cats of today have a new meaning for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭Rigsby


    If you were cool you'd understand. ;)

    I'm outdoors today and I'm freezing, but I still dont know what you mean. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Aerosmith are really, really, really uncool...
    Apart from "Walk this way" with Run DMC Aerosmith are not cool.
    Oh I don't know - in fairness, they're not uncool in the Phil Collins sense. At least Aerosmith led a R&R lifestyle that was fairly Rolling Stones in its excesses... :)
    Back OT and another vote for Phil Collins, I grin every time I hear "Easy Lover". Not sure it's a cool song though...
    Not really a cool song but a bloody great one. Fuppin' quality!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    Dolly Parton - 9 to 5 / Jolene / Coat of Many Colors
    Supertramp - Logical Song / Goodbye Stranger


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Dudess wrote: »
    Not uncool - some cheesy songs but their lifestyles of rock n roll excess ensured they would never occupy the "uncool" category (whereas, for instance, Mike and the Mechanics are really disciplined and goody-two-shoes). That's kind of a different thing - "songs you know are sh1t but you like". No way are Weezer uncool - they've got a "nerdy" image going on but it's kind of ironic. Perfect example. Goodnight Saigon is absolute quality. Absolutely no way are Talking Heads or Kraftwerk uncool - seriously. Geeky, but definitely not uncool. They were never uncool. They're not really "uncool" in the Billy Joel sense, they're just sh1t. But I'm sure they have the odd catchy song. The Big "O" is definitely not uncool. Not a hope is her early stuff uncool. I would say her recent stuff is. Not uncool - their stuff pre 1986 was sh1t (apart from New Life and Everything Counts) but they weren't uncool in the Billy Joel sense. Yes, perfect example. The Philster and Genesis have tons of great songs: The aforementioned In The Air Tonight, Mama, Turn it on Again, Land of Confusion, Invisible Touch, Take Me Home - quality. Very uncool band, but Don't Stop Believin' was recognised as a fantastic song long before all the hype last year. All the stuff that fits into the same category as Journey - late 70s/early 80s corporate rock like REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Air Supply, the term "uncool" was invented specifically for those acts... I think a lot of power ballads rock. E.g. Alone and These Dreams by Heart.

    The Dudess has spoken... :D
    I agree with a lot of the above but saying LP are sh1t is very harsh imo.
    "Numb", "Breaking the Habit" etc- they have some decent tracks you have to admit.

    +1 for Extreme: "More than words", although many might say this was an "uncool" song by a hitherto "cool" band. I say bull.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Mr. Big - To Be With You
    Spin Doctors - Two Princes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Rigsby wrote: »
    I'm outdoors today and I'm freezing, but I still dont know what you mean. :p

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    See that collaboration proves that even the great RR can't work his magic on everybody... Aerosmith are really, really, really uncool. Cool people are people that you just want to be. A cool person you would sell your mum to be for a week. A really cool person you would sell your kidney to be for 24 hours. So I'd sell Mum to be as cool as Johnny Cash was or my kidney to be as cool as Elvis in '56. Now I would happily sell any of my bodily organs NOT to be Billy Joel or Phil Collins (or Chris de Burgh for that matter). Apart from "Walk this way" with Run DMC Aerosmith are not cool. Back OT and another vote for Phil Collins, I grin every time I hear "Easy Lover". Not sure it's a cool song though...

    Not a bad description of the nature of "coolness".
    This thread reminds me of the Simpsons episode- (The Lollapolooza/Cannon-ball Homer one IIRC) :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    U2 have had a few


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    This thread needs to cool out, yo! :cool:

    I'm gonna go with Richard Marx - Hazard

    Though I don't know if the song itself counts as cool, just really, really good.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Rustar


    mike65 wrote: »
    I think this matches the thread defintion

    Warning: Link Contains 100% Osmonds

    Dig that Moog :)

    Mike.

    Hahaaa! My sister was an Osmonds freak when I was a lad, and I picked that out as the only listenable song in her entire collection! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    Goo Goo Dolls - Iris
    Linkin Park - One Step Closer
    Madonna - Frozen
    Pet Shop Boys - It's A Sin
    Sum 41 - Pain for Pleasure
    Alexz Johnson - Skin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    mike65 wrote: »
    I think this matches the thread defintion

    Warning: Link Contains 100% Osmonds

    Dig that Moog :)

    Mike.

    Good choice Mike, I think this is more in vain with the idea of the thread than some of the other's mentioned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    eo980 wrote: »
    Good choice Mike, I think this more in vain with the idea of the thread than some of the other's mentioned.
    OK as eo980 said, to keep the thread from straying into "guilty pleasure" territory, how about:
    1. The Carpenters: Superstar (especially the Sonic Youth cover).
    2. The temptations: Build me up, Buttercup (love its use in "Something about Mary")
    3. Elvis: Suspicious Minds (absolute genius)
    Three typical cool songs from kinda uncool artists imo. And it's a posthumous, retrospective kinda cool, the best kind :p
    Not guilty pleasures either mind you. :)
    Also: Johnny Cash: "Hurt", "One". (NB. despite their current coolness, Cash and Elvis were not always universally regarded as cool I would say, hence i've included them).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    RE*AC*TOR wrote: »
    Dolly Parton - 9 to 5 / Jolene / Coat of Many Colors
    Supertramp - Logical Song / Goodbye Stranger

    Ohhh, bad c&w - Tammy Wynette, "Stand by your man". Blues Brothers made that super cool...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,078 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Pete Burns - you spin me round ...But id kinda say hes just a freak..Not uncool,i dunno


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Jay P


    Round these parts, arctic monkeys are pretty uncool. I still love them though, especially D is for Dangerous, class song


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Jay P wrote: »
    Round these parts, arctic monkeys are pretty uncool. I still love them though, especially D is for Dangerous, class song

    Arctic Monkeys are in no way "uncool".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Great article here .
    It's about the difference between:
    1. Liking uncool music ironically (thereby both indulging and salving a "guilty pleasure") and
    2. Liking uncool music because it's actually good (the theme of this thread)

    The guy rightly castigates the indier-than-thou music-snobs who enjoy so-called Yacht-Rock:
    ie liking an old song ironically because it's "so-bad-it's-good" (and hence conferring even more coolness on themselves in the process :rolleyes:).
    As opposed to just genuinely liking an uncool old song because it's actually good.
    He's dead-right IMO.

    He references stuff like The Doobie Brothers: Reeling in the years.
    OK song, not my cup of tea, but i can definitely see what he's getting at.

    Other songs that are cool (ish):
    Don Henley/Patti Smyth: Sometimes Love just ain't enough
    Fleetwood Mac: Dreams, Albatross, Go your own way
    The Eagles: Hotel California
    And tbh the more i think of it a lot of The Carpenters stuff isn't bad at all: Close to you, Yesterday, Superstar etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    tech77 wrote: »
    2. The temptations: Build me up, Buttercup (love its use in "Something about Mary")

    Fail on two counts. The first being it's The Foundations not The Temptations and the second being any group with David Ruffin in it had to be cool so The Tempts were cool.


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