Improvements to skirmish sites

Crave

In light or recent off topic discussions in others forums i decided to start this thread as I think it will be interesting to see what other people want from a site and I hope it will also be useful to site owners for future developments.

Just remeber, that we don't always know the full story as to why improvemnets haven't already been made eg. Financial circumstances etc. So no flamming sites please!

So to start off
HRTA:I would love to see some digger work done at HRTA, as I feel it's quite a flat terrain, so some hills and trenches would be great. I also find pallets are awful looking so painting them camo would be cool. Actually painting everything at HRTA camo would be cool, eg. the vans and containers. I think a road would be good, would give reason for the vehicles to be there and would make getting to the far end of the field easier, I think the field should be split into three game zones too with differnt themes for each.

Drogheda:I would love to see some breeze block buildings in the back area of the site on that flat ground to make a village for CQB, I think the terrain there is great. I would like to see an office and some changing rooms there too like HRTA.

I know some of thess may never happen or may take a long time but here's hoping

Evolute

Crave wrote: »

In light or recent off topic discussions in others forums i decided to start this thread as I think it will be interesting to see what other people want from a site and I hope it will also be useful to site owners for future developments.

Just remeber, that we don't always know the full story as to why improvemnets haven't already been made eg. Financial circumstances etc. So no flamming sites please!

So to start off
HRTA:I would love to see some digger work done at HRTA, as I feel it's quite a flat terrain, so some hills and trenches would be great. I also find pallets are awful looking so painting them camo would be cool. Actually painting everything at HRTA camo would be cool, eg. the vans and containers. I think a road would be good, would give reason for the vehicles to be there and would make getting to the far end of the field easier, I think the field should be split into three game zones too with differnt themes for each.

Drogheda:I would love to see some breeze block buildings in the back area of the site on that flat ground to make a village for CQB, I think the terrain there is great. I would like to see an office and some changing rooms there too like HRTA.

I know some of thess may never happen or may take a long time but here's hoping

As has been said in a thread already painting all the pallets and everything is bloody expensive and incredibly time consuming as for digger work that takes planning and alot of work also be patient and improvements will be made as they can be done

kdouglas

there are currently plans to get some more containers into hrta, as far as i know, the long term-ish plan is to create a street down the middle of the field with containers/buildings either side, at the moment getting the containers in there is the main problem, wet weather means soft ground which means vehicles getting into the field to drop them off becomes impossible, the odd splash of paint on the pallets would be good alright, maybe add in some camo netting for a better look too

Blazher

Drogheda:I would love to see some breeze block buildings in the back area of the site on that flat ground to make a village for CQB, I think the terrain there is great. I would like to see an office and some changing rooms there too like HRTA.

As far as i know its being done soon, Just need to arrange a day for it,


I got to say Droghedas terrain is great,

HRTA has the space to do alot but its a shame nothing is being done,
paul and mel are sound not saying one thing about them, And i understand that it cost money to do the work, But i dont feel like paying to play in a field and some pallets, When i can go to Drogheda.

I will offer my Team to help out in HRTA or Drogheda to do any work to make the sites better for all,!

Mrs MaxForce

Crave wrote: »

In light or recent off topic discussions in others forums i decided to start this thread as I think it will be interesting to see what other people want from a site and I hope it will also be useful to site owners for future developments.

Just remeber, that we don't always know the full story as to why improvemnets haven't already been made eg. Financial circumstances etc. So no flamming sites please!

So to start off
HRTA:I would love to see some digger work done at HRTA, as I feel it's quite a flat terrain, so some hills and trenches would be great. I also find pallets are awful looking so painting them camo would be cool. Actually painting everything at HRTA camo would be cool, eg. the vans and containers. I think a road would be good, would give reason for the vehicles to be there and would make getting to the far end of the field easier, I think the field should be split into three game zones too with differnt themes for each.

Drogheda:I would love to see some breeze block buildings in the back area of the site on that flat ground to make a village for CQB, I think the terrain there is great. I would like to see an office and some changing rooms there too like HRTA.

I know some of thess may never happen or may take a long time but here's hoping

We can understand where players are coming from but you all have to see our points as well we have put our neck on the line fianacial and other ways to try and give players a safe and legal place to play we love the feed back from players and we have implmented alot of their suggestion on to our site here at g-tac .but i think the operative word here is "patience guys "the more you come to our sites and play the more we will be able to improve and better our sites for the enjoyment of everyone lets not forget this time 2 years ago we had no place to play so let us all help each other as a community and help build this sport of ours to the height we want .the sky is the limit. regards Evelyn.

Crave

I know costs for certain things means them won't be done but would still be cool if they were. That plan for HRTA sounds cool! Would be great if one day during the summer we get like 60 people there to do some work on the sites!

I understand where your coming from G-TAC, I know we have to be patient, this is more to make suggestions rather than to complain about the sites.

ScumLord

The one thing Gtac could really do with is to clear out some of the overgrowth in the forrest so it's easier to move through but the site is very new so I'd suspect that's on the to do list.

Mrs MaxForce

Crave wrote: »

In light or recent off topic discussions in others forums i decided to start this thread as I think it will be interesting to see what other people want from a site and I hope it will also be useful to site owners for future developments.

Just remeber, that we don't always know the full story as to why improvemnets haven't already been made eg. Financial circumstances etc. So no flamming sites please!

So to start off
HRTA:I would love to see some digger work done at HRTA, as I feel it's quite a flat terrain, so some hills and trenches would be great. I also find pallets are awful looking so painting them camo would be cool. Actually painting everything at HRTA camo would be cool, eg. the vans and containers. I think a road would be good, would give reason for the vehicles to be there and would make getting to the far end of the field easier, I think the field should be split into three game zones too with differnt themes for each.

Drogheda:I would love to see some breeze block buildings in the back area of the site on that flat ground to make a village for CQB, I think the terrain there is great. I would like to see an office and some changing rooms there too like HRTA.

I know some of thess may never happen or may take a long time but here's hoping

ScumLord wrote: »

The one thing Gtac could really do with is to clear out some of the overgrowth in the forrest so it's easier to move through but the site is very new so I'd suspect that's on the to do list.

yes since your last visit alot of this has been done and we have fantastic plans afoot

Blazher

Crave wrote: »

this is more to make suggestions rather than to complain about the sites.

No one should be complaining, This is so we can help each other out,

Lads at the end of the day, The more we help each other the better the sport will get,

Stercus Accidit

In the short term moving one of the vans to the ghosts side of the cabin would even up the cover on that side alot, there is only a couple of pallets vs two vans, a jeep, the cabin, all the cover there.

Its very hard to beat people that side of the field from the ghosts base.

[--SC(+)PE--]

yes since your last visit alot of this has been done and we have fantastic plans afoot

Indeed, any word on that secret Op Evelyn?

weeder

im in agreement with motosam on that one

Mrs MaxForce

[--SC(+)PE--] wrote: »

Indeed, any word on that secret Op Evelyn?

dont tell anyone scope but about 6 weeks and counting and they should be on site and the fun will begin:D:D:D

[--SC(+)PE--]

*Mr burns voice* Excceeellllent!

nonex

Mrs MaxForce wrote: »

We can understand where players are coming from but you all have to see our points as well we have put our neck on the line fianacial and other ways to try and give players a safe and legal place to play we love the feed back from players and we have implmented alot of their suggestion on to our site here at g-tac .but i think the operative word here is "patience guys "the more you come to our sites and play the more we will be able to improve and better our sites for the enjoyment of everyone lets not forget this time 2 years ago we had no place to play so let us all help each other as a community and help build this sport of ours to the height we want .the sky is the limit. regards Evelyn.

Evelyn, i could not have said it better myself,

i see were i went wong now when i think back, so my mistake was to talk to planing offisers from fcc to get water, electricity, changing rooms on the site frist, do a few shows for airsoft to get it in the lime light, and on my time and my money,
so any way, hrta is going to be a cqc site, no woodland, no hills or trenches, the county council planing wont let me, and any way i am trying to have a site that some ppl in wheelchairs can play on, thats why i have the cabins and contaier, they will walk ways for wheelchairs, and it will take a lot of time to get there, but it will be good press for airsoft in the long run i think just like the chartiy day, and players this could all be stoped tomorrow by you know who, now think of all the the money you spent on your airsoft grear
and having to give it up.
paul

Arcto

Mrs MaxForce wrote: »

dont tell anyone scope but about 6 weeks and counting and they should be on site and the fun will begin:D:D:D

Just whatever ye do to the rest of the site dont change that bushy area we had the 3 on 3 game in. Infact if ye are gonna change that ill just buy it off ye to preserve it rather than see it changed

kdouglas

nonex/Mrs MaxForce/all other site owners: i (hopefully) speak for everyone here when i say you've all done an excellent job so far, i was unaware of the comments made in the skirmish airsoft command thread which were offensive towards site owners, namely nonex in particular, however the intent of this thread (as it appears) is merely to provide suggestions as to what the players would like to see, not an attack on sites or siteowners.

everyone else: acknowledge the work that has gone into the sites by their owners, yes we would all love a perfect cqb/fibua/woodland site with all the available features the minute it opens, but these things take time, you may not have seen much work on sites over the winter due to the adverse weather, but now that summer is on it's way again, im sure things will pick up

ScumLord

Mrs MaxForce wrote: »

yes since your last visit alot of this has been done and we have fantastic plans afoot

Nice one, removing biars and the like is heart breaking work.

ED E

Ehh, digging a trench, in hrta...yeah, that'll work. We can go for a swim:eek: The old hrta had a dugout, it just flooded.

The road on the other hand, that would be super, and maybe at the other end a bridge for fast raids on the lane? Q to paul though: Can you build more permanent structures[like roads or buildings] onsite with the lease you have?


RE: Drogheda, I think John was thinking of a FIBUA arena on the gravel area beside the far blasting face.

Lethal.

ScumLord

A one sided trench would work.

ED E

ScumLord wrote: »

A one sided trench would work.

But there's negligable gradient on the site.

ScumLord

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

But there's negligable gradient on the site.

You might need extra dirt.

penguin-o7

ok well a trench thats great an all change in scenarios

but realistically its not a good idea
ie; you'll get more accidents/blind fire and problems

you'd nearly be better off introducing more bunkers/mounds not as such dug in positions ill post pics to show what i mean.

du beton

nonex wrote: »

Evelyn, i could not have said it better myself,

i see were i went wong now when i think back, so my mistake was to talk to planing offisers from fcc to get water, electricity, changing rooms on the site frist, do a few shows for airsoft to get it in the lime light, and on my time and my money,
so any way, hrta is going to be a cqc site, no woodland, no hills or trenches, the county council planing wont let me, and any way i am trying to have a site that some ppl in wheelchairs can play on, thats why i have the cabins and contaier, they will walk ways for wheelchairs, and it will take a lot of time to get there, but it will be good press for airsoft in the long run i think just like the chartiy day, and players this could all be stoped tomorrow by you know who, now think of all the the money you spent on your airsoft grear
and having to give it up.
paul

was up at hrta for the first time on sunday last had a great time considering how busy ye were.Great to hear about your plans for the site.I can understand how frustrating it must be to have people take your hard work for granted.Keep up the good work Paul

Fallschirmjager

i have not been to the other sites so i cant comment....

what i would love in hrta is a street...i think all the basics are there

i would love the containers to be lengthways and the street to curve thereby giving much greater area of play. i would also love the containers or preferably old cabins with doorways cut in thereby allowing house to house firing, limiting close fire to the length of a building. so you could go the length of the street house to house. this would need to be on either side. the good news with the irish weather we can then play indoors (sort of) and outdoors, the street could be filled with cover using the cars or pretty much any crap we can find (i mean crap in a positive way!) . this would mean you could cross the road using fire and zig zag the street getting in behind the enemy. there should be fixed mg sites, sandbagged with short, medium and long term objectives. now obviously the issue is the cost of all the buildings. the good news is if you get enough you have the possibility of the odd side street. simple tape could mark out the game zone to stop someone going the field way around. the good news is you can start small and add to it. i think the bus is a great prop allowing upper covering fire. some more props like that would really add to it. so taking the street house by house would be the objective. there would need to be some way of letting snipers to hide out, i am not sure how to do that but i am sure someone can think of something.

you could integrate the side laneways at the end because they are cool as well. i would also think a lot of cut windows would ensure low and slow gaming, filled with furious attacks and counterattacks. we can shrink or expand the street depending on the numbers attending. add to that cheap sound systems with recorded firing....(you could do that with a couple of hundred euro) and sweet jaysus we would all be wearing adult diapers...

MAD Ozzie

Just You wait to see what Corks doing. Log bunkers with roofs, sandbag inplacments,
2 x 15 ft slit trenches, other log walls, and loads of camo netting, with open killing field in the middle, verry hard to get the flag. will complete in 2 weeks for first game. If all goes well may even through in some shell holes. Picks will be posted soon.
The more people that get involved the easyer it is to make a top battle zone.
sorry lads, members only. For now. I LOVE BUNKERS.

Lemming

Just something that's come to mind from something Paul (nonex) has mentioned. Permission from the local council authority regarding building work. Are all the sites aware of this and have you sought permission and had approval for all the work? Take the Cork site for example ... that sounds like a lot of work has gone in (and all dues to you - I'm just using your site as an example given the work you've put in) but I'm concerned that we'll end up with councils 'hating' the sport so to speak on account of people going and doing all this work only for the councils to turn around and say "sorry .. put it back the way it was and never darken our doorway again".

monksavage

Lemming wrote: »

Just something that's come to mind from something Paul (nonex) has mentioned. Permission from the local council authority regarding building work. Are all the sites aware of this and have you sought permission and had approval for all the work? Take the Cork site for example ... that sounds like a lot of work has gone in (and all dues to you - I'm just using your site as an example given the work you've put in) but I'm concerned that we'll end up with councils 'hating' the sport so to speak on account of people going and doing all this work only for the councils to turn around and say "sorry .. put it back the way it was and never darken our doorway again".

By the sounds of mad ozzie im sure he knows what hes up to :cool:

Why would the local councils end up hating us

There is a lot of light ground work that can be carried out without getting caught up in the planning procedure that would cover more than the basics of a top skirmish site

Gatling

monksavage wrote: »

By the sounds of mad ozzie im sure he knows what hes up to :cool:

Why would the local councils end up hating us

There is a lot of light ground work that can be carried out without getting caught up in the planning procedure that would cover more than the basics of a top skirmish site

all these juniors have a lot of experiance with ground works

Lemming

monksavage wrote: »

Why would the local councils end up hating us

If we as a community earn a reputation for jumping planning procedure, it would work against us whenever we did go for applications. It only takes a couple of sites to do it.

Airsoft is vulnerable due to misuse of AEGs by muppets in public, and to the "I don't like da l00k o'dat!" brigade. Equally, the sites that we need to play on are also vulnerable due to the same prejudices that players as a whole might face.

monksavage

Gatling wrote: »

all these juniors have a lot of experiance with ground works

What are you trying to say?
As it happens im a civil engineer and have plenty of experience with ground work.
Ive also been into airsoft for the past 10 years.

As regards your post Lemming I agree with what you are saying about Airsoft being vunerable and sites not having FPP for specified works on their land.

Dr_Pepper

Guys this thread is for suggestions not arguments.
Back on topic PLEASE!

kdouglas

MAD Ozzie wrote: »

Just You wait to see what Corks doing. Log bunkers with roofs, sandbag inplacments,
2 x 15 ft slit trenches, other log walls, and loads of camo netting, with open killing field in the middle, verry hard to get the flag. will complete in 2 weeks for first game. If all goes well may even through in some shell holes. Picks will be posted soon.
The more people that get involved the easyer it is to make a top battle zone.
sorry lads, members only. For now. I LOVE BUNKERS.

borderline shilling there, take it easy, i know your obviously excited about the site, but there are rules to be abided by

nonex

Lemming wrote: »

Just something that's come to mind from something Paul (nonex) has mentioned. Permission from the local council authority regarding building work. Are all the sites aware of this and have you sought permission and had approval for all the work? Take the Cork site for example ... that sounds like a lot of work has gone in (and all dues to you - I'm just using your site as an example given the work you've put in) but I'm concerned that we'll end up with councils 'hating' the sport so to speak on account of people going and doing all this work only for the councils to turn around and say "sorry .. put it back the way it was and never darken our doorway again".

the planning act says any works, must have planning permission if the site is used for any thing other than what it was used for, so parking, cabins, containers, bins, and yes i got a fine from the council at the old hrta, so i know what i am talking about, and dont forget to register with the revenue for your taxs and vat, and if any one would like to see mine i would be happy to show you.
paul.

iceage

hey guys:) give the man a chance.. of course he's excited, Its the first Airsoft site in Munster, correct me if I'm wrong, and Lemming wheres all the good wishes n best of luck? Someday you might find yourself outside the big smoke, and fancy a skirmish.. you might even find yourself down here with us lot!!

kdouglas

the thread is about suggestions for improvements to sites, Ozzie came on and pimped ctg, then pointed out it's members only, it's completely off-topic for the thread and is borderline shilling, best of luck with the site though, definitely one needed down that direction and i'm sure everyone into airsoft in cork and surrounding areas will make good use of it

anyway, back on-topic please, personally i'd keep an eye out in the buy & sell freebies section for stuff like free vehicles and pallets to improve sites, saw an ad there the other day for 500 free pallets in the buy & sell

would love to see the buildings in hrta (when the street is built) have furniture and such in them for a bit of added realism, maybe a tv + couch in one room, a desk with a computer in another. could build counters to look like a bank easily enough, stuff like that

Fallschirmjager

actually i would put the bus 'across the street' at a mid point in hrta so that becomes an objective...and indeed a big one. so anyone who takes this has a major strategic advantage.

i would also use that as a respawn point....so a bit like the games...when you take a flag and the more you push the earlier you respawn due to the distance you have to walk....a flag pole with red and blue would suffice to inform everyone where the spawn point is/are

on KD's point about the tables, banks etc...all of that adds to the whole perception and also gives people a target, ie. take the bank and not the 4th container on the right....so i think the odd name on the containers, buildings etc would be a great idea...

as for painting, when the site owners need it perhaps we could have a painting party? so we could all goto B&Q or Woodies and pick up dark green/brown fencing paint

i do like the log cabin idea in cork..that sounds excellent..we are really lucky as each site owner is taking a different look and feel...choice is a great thing..and the forest in galway and the drogheda site sounds like its really cool...ye certainly have gotten my interest...!!

i would love to hear the ideas the site owners have...or is that all level 5 security???

ED E

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

i would also use that as a respawn point....so a bit like the games...when you take a flag and the more you push the earlier you respawn due to the distance you have to walk....a flag pole with red and blue would suffice to inform everyone where the spawn point is/are

Funny you should say that, I've made one. hasn't got a flag yet, but the pole is there. Was hoping to make more cover for our own team base but materials....

Stercus Accidit

kdouglas wrote: »

the thread is about suggestions for improvements to sites, Ozzie came on and pimped ctg, then pointed out it's members only, it's completely off-topic for the thread and is borderline shilling, best of luck with the site though, definitely one needed down that direction and i'm sure everyone into airsoft in cork and surrounding areas will make good use of it

anyway, back on-topic please, personally i'd keep an eye out in the buy & sell freebies section for stuff like free vehicles and pallets to improve sites, saw an ad there the other day for 500 free pallets in the buy & sell

would love to see the buildings in hrta (when the street is built) have furniture and such in them for a bit of added realism, maybe a tv + couch in one room, a desk with a computer in another. could build counters to look like a bank easily enough, stuff like that

Big +1 for the buyandsell, free bricks, barrels, etc.

Most building sites have a lot of junk towards the end of a build, some of that could be useful, a local site would deliver it to avoid having to dump it elsewhere at a cost.

Most of it would be junk, but barrels, boxes, pallets, its work asking.

MAD Ozzie

OK, so I pimped my site. Nothings permnate, eg bunkers can be moved, sandbags, log walls, ect. Trenches are 3ft deep with dirt on one side, any more and insurance will hit like a tone o bricks. Sandbags are old coal bags, old logs from the forest with a few stakes to hold em in place. I was only giving some idears on how easy and cheep it is to do, wanted to add some realizam, other than pallets, and ive got them too.
And its MY front yard, Dont want to look out my window and see pallets every where.
. And hope to see other sites look good too. Just look at some of the UK sites.

CrazyRabbit

At the suggestion of KD, I've had a look through todays freebie section in www.buyandsell.ie and found the below free items that could be used on skirmish sites.

Is anyone here able to help out with transport (either free or very cheap)?


Piano. Leinster Longford
Suitable for parts, free to take away. 087-2723830

Leinster Dublin 11
500 Pallets available, various sizes. Must be collected 01-8341193

Kitchen Furnature. Leinster Co. Dublin
Various kit furnature, free to take away. Dublin 086-8755244

Leinster Co. Dublin
Puppy, 12wks old, black and white, small mongrel playfull and kind, very cute, free to a good home, great family pet, Portarlington 086-256 1347 (New HRTA Mascot???)

Leinster Kildare
BUILDING Sand. Approx 3-4 ton. Must take away. excellent quality 085-7117739

King Size Bed. Leinster Co. Dublin
Good cond, for free to collect in Dundrome area, Dublin. 086-8281968 (I get tired sometimes and could use this)

Nissan Micra '94. Leinster Wicklow
With no keys, free to take away. 087-6989729 (no keys?...sounds dodgy)

Nissan Micra. Leinster Wicklow
No keys, logbook, 1994. 086-1751072 (another dodgy car)

Billy Goat. Leinster Wexford
White, free to good home. 086-8154533 (ok, so no use to us, but I included it as it's unusual and funny. )

Leinster Co. Dublin
pine diningroom table & 6 chairs. excellent condition. free to take away. must collect kells area. contact chris 087-2941322

Nissan Bluebird. Leinster Co. Dublin
1986, still driving but bad engine. 086-0664886 (less dodgy car)

Barna Building. Leinster Co. Dublin
10' x 8', suit tools, pets etc, free to take away. 01-4566174

Renault 19. Leinster Dublin 12
NCT, Dr well free to take. 085-7707657

Leinster Kildare
large qty of timbers all sizes,originally used in studding for offices,canteen etc 085-1571046

Stercus Accidit

The piano would be great, but the goat and puppy?

Will they have 40mm grenades attached to spray the enemy?

500 pallets looks good, you could make anything out of that.

kdouglas

the problem with any furniture or pianos etc... is they need somewhere to go, so until paul gets a few more cabins put in, they're a no go.

Regarding cars, i'd gladly pick one up and drive it to hrta, but the problem is getting insurance cover for that period of time if your driving it (most personal policies you can ring your insurance company and ask them to cover you on that car for a day, but im on a commercial policy), anyone know if insurance cover is required to tow a car that doesn't run?

Crave

I think someone should let HRTA or Drogheda know bout the pallets

Arcto

kdouglas wrote: »

the problem with any furniture or pianos etc... is they need somewhere to go, so until paul gets a few more cabins put in, they're a no go.

Regarding cars, i'd gladly pick one up and drive it to hrta, but the problem is getting insurance cover for that period of time if your driving it (most personal policies you can ring your insurance company and ask them to cover you on that car for a day, but im on a commercial policy), anyone know if insurance cover is required to tow a car that doesn't run?

Just get one car infront of you with its hazards on and on behind you the same. If a cop stops you explain why your doing this and that you have no insurance for the car. Ive done it before bringing cars for scrapage and i only have a provisional (or "learners" permit). I couldnt really see a guard giving you ****. Then again they are Dubland cops...... :eek:

Actually dont most people on full license have open insurance which permnits them to drive all cars under 12 ton? Surly someone at HRTA could do this?

kdouglas

either way, it's still illegal to drive on a public road without insurance, but that only applies to mechanically propelled vehicles, if the car wont run and is being towed, hence not mechanically propelled, does it still require insurance? or is it covered under the insurance of the person driving the car doing the towing? someone will be in the car to steer it obviously, so that's why insurance is a concern, if someone happens to have access to a tow truck that we can put the car(s) on, then it's an easy solution


if you have a full licence and are insured in your own name on a fully comprehensive policy you are normally covered to drive any other car with permission of the owner, i think that car has to have it's own insurance too though

Blazher

Arcto wrote: »

Actually dont most people on full license have open insurance which permnits them to drive all cars under 12 ton? Surly someone at HRTA could do this?

The car your driving has to have insurance on, Thats how the Open insurance works with QD anyways

zero19

If anyone has access to trade plates then you could drive the car or whatever under that insurance, also some policies allow you to drive with permission of the cars owner under your own insurance apparently...There is also the car transport trailer option

penguin-o7

kdouglas wrote: »

either way, it's still illegal to drive on a public road without insurance, but that only applies to mechanically propelled vehicles, if the car wont run and is being towed, hence not mechanically propelled, does it still require insurance? or is it covered under the insurance of the person driving the car doing the towing? someone will be in the car to steer it obviously, so that's why insurance is a concern, if someone happens to have access to a tow truck that we can put the car(s) on, then it's an easy solution


if you have a full licence and are insured in your own name on a fully comprehensive policy you are normally covered to drive any other car with permission of the owner, i think that car has to have it's own insurance too though

You could try a flat bed truck

cars that have not been running for sometime or are deemed (SPELLING?)
un/not road worthy usually are taken on a flat bed

silver haze

if youre insured on a car, with a full licence, almost every insurance company in Ireland will cover you to drive another car, as long as you have the owners permission, and that can be with just TPF&T not just comprehensive.
this is the simplest answer to the problem, talk of trade plates, tow trucks ect will not get things done.
thats the great thing about the internet, evey one is full of fantastic ideas but few will put them into action : "I'd do such and such, except..."

with regards towing, once the lead car is full taxed, insured ect and the driver of the car being towed holds a valid licence then its perfectally fine and in accordance with the law.

the pallets are probably the way to go, they are easy to handle and manage, while still allowing for a lot of versatility and can be expanded and upgraded
like so:
http://summerville-novascotia.com/PalletShed/

CrazyRabbit

I think I can fit a pallet or two on the back of my bike...

I have fantastic ideas AND I put them into action