Any chance of 20-50mb broadband?

AntiRip

Hi guys

Just wondering will this country ever see these types of speeds that they currently enjoy in some parts of Europe? I've had 2mb now for the past few years and still this speed is near the top speeds still standard here! Why isn't there any movement in speeds at all?

Axwell

Have a read of this it aint 20 mb but its an improvement

AntiRip

Axwell wrote: »

Have a read of this it aint 20 mb but its an improvement

That's not bad at all for e40 a month. I pay e42 a month for 2mb off permanet. No chance though of me getting that as PermaNet are my only option for the meantime

great

in june ntl/upc will be doubling their speeds so for 40 a month u can have 12mb

marchanlon

AntiRip wrote: »

Hi guys

Just wondering will this country ever see these types of speeds that they currently enjoy in some parts of Europe? I've had 2mb now for the past few years and still this speed is near the top speeds still standard here! Why isn't there any movement in speeds at all?

According to threads here, Eircom is rolling out ADSL2 with speeds of 8, 12 and 16mb between now and June. Smart is also toying around with speeds of 20mbps but haven't made a formal announcement as to their intentions with that. I've also heard heard that some green field developments are being given fibre to the home which support really high speeds. The problem with the Eircom network is that the copper is quite old.

In the short term, you probably wont see super fast internet from the likes of Eircom and BT because their network is so large (BT UK has said it won't be rolling out fibre because it's too expensive to upgrade their network) but you'll probably see a growth in the number of installations by companies like Magnet who can put fibre in when homes are built.

Capt'n Midnight

marchanlon wrote:

In the short term, you probably wont see super fast internet from the likes of Eircom and BT because their network is so large (BT UK has said it won't be rolling out fibre because it's too expensive to upgrade their network) but you'll probably see a growth in the number of installations by companies like Magnet who can put fibre in when homes are built.

Considering the number of new homes built here in the last decade. Imagine if they had done things like requiring a higher standard of insulation, requiring thermostats, requiring common ducting to to each house instead of allowing each utlity company to monoplilise it's ducting thus locking you in to them forever unless you pay to get recabled. This is why eircom will get €17pm for their copper regardless of which ADSL provider you use.

Common ducting to a cabinet would mean any provider could supply your next gerneration needs without having to invest time and money in working around an exisitng connection.

thefinalstage

marchanlon wrote: »

According to threads here, Eircom is rolling out ADSL2 with speeds of 8, 12 and 16mb between now and June. Smart is also toying around with speeds of 20mbps but haven't made a formal announcement as to their intentions with that. I've also heard heard that some green field developments are being given fibre to the home which support really high speeds. The problem with the Eircom network is that the copper is quite old.

In the short term, you probably wont see super fast internet from the likes of Eircom and BT because their network is so large (BT UK has said it won't be rolling out fibre because it's too expensive to upgrade their network) but you'll probably see a growth in the number of installations by companies like Magnet who can put fibre in when homes are built.

Old copper is better then new copper. Purer you see.

christophicus

great wrote: »

in june ntl/upc will be doubling their speeds so for 40 a month u can have 12mb

AS far as I am aware we are just going off of one persons story for this , there has been no confirmation at all of this, also I don't think there was any timeframe given.

great

no see i called upc yesterday to get digital tv and to up my broadband from 2 to 3 and the guy mentioned it would happen around june

Automan

great wrote: »

no see i called upc yesterday to get digital tv and to up my broadband from 2 to 3 and the guy mentioned it would happen around june

Was also talking to NTL BB support (proper BB support) and the girl told me that they would be going 12 at the end of march and hopefully 20 next year.
Reason why she mentioned this is because I am currently getting very bad speeds where I live and she explained to me as they were upgrading the area they had to move people from one main supply cable to another as they were upgrading them so there was currently to many people on each cable but this will improve when they are fully upgraded.
This was the first time I had got an honest and knowledgeable reply from NTL CS, was well shocked.

christophicus

Cool, well at least we are hearing this from more then one source now . I hope it is actually the send of march when they upgrade the lines, and it would be deadly if they did go to 20 Mb next year, but somehow I don't see it happening . I really hope we get at least 1Mb upseed on the 12 Mb line that would be great .

Sponge Bob

christophicus wrote: »

Cool, well at least we are hearing this from more then one source now . I hope it is actually the send of march when they upgrade the lines, and it would be deadly if they did go to 20 Mb next year, but somehow I don't see it happening .

They won't , eircom are supposed to have 25mbit VDSL in the big cities this year and won't either. eirocm announced it in 2007

NTL operate in the same big cities and would have to respond, they have not led the market on speeds and performance since the early days of BB in Ireland .

Freddie59

Sponge Bob wrote: »

They won't , eircom are supposed to have 25mbit VDSL in the big cities this year and won't either. eirocm announced it in 2007

How do you know that? If someoneone said to you they (NTL) were giving 12 Megs by March in January would you have discounted that also?

BostonB

Freddie59 wrote: »

How do you know that? If someoneone said to you they (NTL) were giving 12 Megs by March in January would you have discounted that also?

Based on their performance definately.

DingDong

Sponge Bob wrote: »

They won't , eircom are supposed to have 25mbit VDSL in the big cities this year and won't either. eirocm announced it in 2007

NTL operate in the same big cities and would have to respond, they have not led the market on speeds and performance since the early days of BB in Ireland .

I think UPC will try to run things alot differently than NTL. They have a whole lot more money to spend than NTL ever did.

Joanamo

marchanlon wrote: »

According to threads here, Eircom is rolling out ADSL2 with speeds of 8, 12 and 16mb between now and June. Smart is also toying around with speeds of 20mbps but haven't made a formal announcement as to their intentions with that.

Well, If Eircom and BT step up, Smart will have to stop toying around soon. I'm getting a 5 mb connection. Any idea what it might be upgraded to? If 7 mb => 20 mb, 5 mb=> 15mb? :rolleyes:

J

BostonB

DingDong wrote: »

I think UPC will try to run things alot differently than NTL. They have a whole lot more money to spend than NTL ever did.

Personally I think UPC have been worse than NTL and I didn't think that was possible. I don't think the infrastructure is there, to facilitate these higher speeds. Or more correctly, where the infrastructure is not up to scratch there is no will to fix it. If it works great. If it doesn't your on your own.

DingDong

Unfortunately from a customers point of view they haven't seen much change. All you would of seen is the disaster of a call centre, alot of change is happening on this front to improve service to the customer. An example is Automan's post getting a straight answer from a knowledgeable customer service agent.

The infrastructure is there in part for higher speed. UPC are spending an absolute fortune on upgrades to get all networks up to the same standard.So their is the will BostonB to sort out the network. But it takes time to upgrade an area.

One other thing to note UPC currently only use one downstream frequency for cable modems, future modem will use 3 frequency so massive speed increase will be possible.

Sponge Bob

Not on the ****e cable installed in most of this country it won't .

Remember who we are talking about . The predecessors of NTL were eircom and Chorus were various companies of whom only Suir Nore relays had any standards .

Its not 800mhz cable like in many modern (post 1980) deployments in developed countries, In Ireland its cheap and nasty crap in the main. To make it worse its OLD cheap and nasty crap left to the elements in the wettest country in Europe .

It was only really designed to carry the 4 UK channels extant in 1990 FFS

The laws of physics will prevent any widescale leveraging of Docsis 2 while the thing will probably explode at Docsis 3 bitrates !

BostonB

I haven't heard about them upgrading the network. I would say they have their work cut out. I heard the network was very poor when NTL took it over from Cablelink and really didn't improve it much. If they manage to do it well great. They'd need to hurry up as I'd say they are losing customers at a rate of knots at the moment.

DingDong

Sponge Bob I said in part, not all of the network will be able for the speed increase, its also why its not all a two way network. Upgrading an area is a really massive job. UPC inherited alot of old systems from NTL and Chorus so they have a big job on their hands, but at least they are spending the money to get the network up to scratch. Its a big job and will takes time their's no fast way to do it. NTL did do some upgrade around 2000 but ran out of cash. Area's that have been upgrade are sitting on 860Mhz systems where half of the available bandwidth is currently not being used for anything.

BostonB

You seem to know a bit about the network how so? Do you have any hope they will improve in time. I don't hear any better about them the UK. But I would be delighted if there was a good alternative to Eircom.

DingDong

I work for the evil empire . I think the future does look bright for UPC. They have alot of things planned to improve customer service. They have been really in the bad books the last while because so much change is going on.

I've lived in an upgraded area since 2002ish and I've never had any problem with my tv service.My broadband only ever died about 4 times and it was never caused by something local and always fixed fast. I always get my Max speed allowed too.Now with VOIP added to the lineup my phone bill has never been cheaper.

Old NTL UK now virgin media is nothing to do with UPC. NTL UK sold off Irish NTL to UPC. If you look up other country that have UPC you will see what the company is capable of Boston. Have a look at the link below for more info on them.

http://www.lgi.com/upc_broadband.html

BostonB

I didn't realise that. Good to know.

christophicus

There was someone from UPC on the matt cooper show/ray darcy ( I can't remember which ) and he was saying that they have been spending alot of money on upgrading the infrastructure over the last few years. That seems to agree with what dingdong is saying , which I am happy about.

Sponge Bob

Now Now DingDong, don't overpimp the cheap co-ax

My position is that UPC will follow eircom and will not lead, don't answer that

My other position is that the good call centre in Waterford ( NTL) was closed in favour of the crap one in Limerick (:eek: Chorus :eek:) , don't answer that neither . K.!!

thefinalstage

DingDong wrote: »

I work for the evil empire . I think the future does look bright for UPC. They have alot of things planned to improve customer service. They have been really in the bad books the last while because so much change is going on.

I've lived in an upgraded area since 2002ish and I've never had any problem with my tv service.My broadband only ever died about 4 times and it was never caused by something local and always fixed fast. I always get my Max speed allowed too.Now with VOIP added to the lineup my phone bill has never been cheaper.

Old NTL UK now virgin media is nothing to do with UPC. NTL UK sold off Irish NTL to UPC. If you look up other country that have UPC you will see what the company is capable of Boston. Have a look at the link below for more info on them.

http://www.lgi.com/upc_broadband.html

Free advertisment anyone?

Riesen_Meal

thelastangryman wrote: »

Free advertisment anyone?

Its not like its his first post so no, I dont think he is tbh, are you that petty about it?

DingDong

If people think I'm here to advertise I won't post on any UPC subjects anymore. All I try to do is give people a bit of an inside look and stay as impartial as I can.

Sponge Bob a hybrid fibre coax network is anything but cheap, as for the legacy stuff that a different story hence the need for upgrading.

christophicus

DingDong wrote: »

If people think I'm here to advertise I won't post on any UPC subjects anymore. All I try to do is give people a bit of an inside look and stay as impartial as I can.

Sponge Bob a hybrid fibre coax network is anything but cheap, as for the legacy stuff that a different story hence the need for upgrading.

I speak for myself only, but I would imagine many here feel the same. We are very greatfull for any kind of inside info from UPC, especially from someone that would seem to be credible, Don't let the begrudgers stop you from posting here .

Capt'n Midnight

Actually it's possible to get 22mb bandwith every where in Ireland !

You just get satellite

There is one little catch, the 22mb isn't 48:1 like terresterial, it's more like Everyone:1 and depending on the transponder it could be everyone from all over Europe, not just ROI + UK

christophicus

Lol , pings would be woefull!!

bungholio

Magnets FTTH 8MB service gives you almost 20MB, kinda weird but not complaining hehe, download speeds vary between 1.4MBps and 2MBps

Capt'n Midnight

contention ratio is important
20Mb on 48:1 might not be asmuch fun as 2Bm uncontended and some ISP's lump the warez monkeys into the same ports

8Mb uncontended would be sweet

Cap is very important too. on 20Mb you could hit a daily cap 1GB in about 15 minutes. Back in the days in Sweden IIRC people were not taking 100Mb because the 10Mb they had didn't have a cap.

everdead.ie

My first post but thought i should comment on UPC's recent upgrade of my area they replaced most of the cabling round here and changed a lot of the recievers on peoples houses.

The other thing has anyone noticed UPC's recent digital for all campaign.
If they manage to switch of their analog service it will open up a lot of extra bandwith and should hopefully stop the analog interfering with the digital tv signal.

mikeymay

fibre connections are the way forward .i have a 50mb down and 50 mb upload connection now and it rocks

lmimmfn

lmao, 20 or 50? youre lucky to even get a 2/3Mb connection that works. Im sure we'll have 70% coverage of 20Mb in Dublin/Cork by 2020

mikeymay

only have 50mb up and down becuse i know someone who works for a isp . gonna get my static ip tweaked too 100MB next , may not notice the difference though from 50MB . gret thing about the fibre is the symetric speeds

Sqaull20

pics please

christophicus

mikeymay wrote: »

fibre connections are the way forward .i have a 50mb down and 50 mb upload connection now and it rocks

:eek:.......me.......want.......now!!!

BostonB

mikeymay wrote: »

fibre connections are the way forward .i have a 50mb down and 50 mb upload connection now and it rocks

To your office I assume.

Cuddlesworth

mikeymay wrote: »

fibre connections are the way forward .i have a 50mb down and 50 mb upload connection now and it rocks

I call Bull, there are very few places in Dublin with a MUX capable of those speeds.

mikeymay

no not office . to my home . and before u say its bull have a look into fibre technology first

Cozey

Magnet broadband is 50 mb up 50mb down .. 95 euro a month with 56 tv and radio channels .. only works with fibre wired houses and apartments ..

rc28

Lol haven't seen this thread before. Interesting to see all the posts from just a few months ago saying that UPC/NTL will never roll out faster broadband because "their network isn't capable of it". Where do these 'experts' get their info from?

BendiBus

rc28 wrote: »

Where do these 'experts' get their info from?

You have to bear in mind that these are message board experts. Anonymous, self-appointed, know some buzzwords, have a little knowledge and love to spout their expertise.

One of them has also recently become an expert on transport :pac:

paulm17781

BendiBus wrote: »

You have to bear in mind that these are message board experts. Anonymous, self-appointed, know some buzzwords, have a little knowledge and love to spout their expertise.

One of them has also recently become an expert on transport :pac:

I was about to post similar! The thing is, I used to really respect those posts and take a lot of what was said as gospel, this thread has changed my mind. :eek:

bk

Sponge Bob wrote: »

NTL operate in the same big cities and would have to respond, they have not led the market on speeds and performance since the early days of BB in Ireland .

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Its not 800mhz cable like in many modern (post 1980) deployments in developed countries, In Ireland its cheap and nasty crap in the main. To make it worse its OLD cheap and nasty crap left to the elements in the wettest country in Europe .

It was only really designed to carry the 4 UK channels extant in 1990 FFS

The laws of physics will prevent any widescale leveraging of Docsis 2 while the thing will probably explode at Docsis 3 bitrates !

Sponge Bob wrote: »

My position is that UPC will follow eircom and will not lead, don't answer that

I think SB has a lot of apologising to do to DingDong.

BTW DingDong well done to you and UPC on the great work, keep up the great work.

Sabre0001

Hmm...So where do I need to move to in order to get super fast broadband at an affordable price? I would have assumed anywhere but Ireland up to now.....

Pete4779

rc28 wrote: »

Lol haven't seen this thread before. Interesting to see all the posts from just a few months ago saying that UPC/NTL will never roll out faster broadband because "their network isn't capable of it". Where do these 'experts' get their info from?

I think they are mostly just full of it. UPC are excellent having used them now for a year, and they seem quite happy to remain competitive and to push the market.

A year ago, you could max 6Mbit.

Now, you can get 20Mbit cable, 24Mbit ADSL2 and 50Mbit with fibre. Of course , not every service will be available in all areas. This is no different to any other country. Newer developments and more urban developments will have access to more up to date and modern services than rural and older.

That is fantastic progress in a year.

barnicles

I think i might have 1mb bb by 2050