Which course points are going to rise???

Cillers27

what courses are going to go up points wise

e.g - Commerce UCD guarenteed. 485

Brooke01

Cillers27 wrote: »

what courses are going to go up points wise

e.g - Commerce UCD guarenteed. 485

Law in TCD and NUIG

Yuugib

i have a feeling that economics and finances in ucd..
and maybe actuary in ucd as well.. as the points are quite low now more ppl will apply..

carlowboy

Yuugib wrote: »

i have a feeling that economics and finances in ucd..
and maybe actuary in ucd as well.. as the points are quite low now more ppl will apply..

They've been stuck at 555 there for a while now which probably means the course isn't full so that's the lowest they'll go. Can't see it going up this year.

alan4cult

Baking and Pastry Arts Managment in DIT
Actuary in UCD may go up because a language is no longer required.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

carlowboy wrote: »

They've been stuck at 555 there for a while now which probably means the course isn't full so that's the lowest they'll go. Can't see it going up this year.

Course was filled this year, there's only 40 places

Xhristy

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Overheal

Points are primarily based on demand and supply for that course. If theres a high demand, there is a high chance that students with higher points will have applied to it. If you have a low demand and high supply of places, then your chances may go up (for example, if they have added extra placements for the course).

In truth, its all speculative unless you have some kind of evidence to suggest that fewer/more people will apply for a course than last year. Talking to all your friends about what they know will not always yield the best information: you talk to a dozen or so people, and that does not cover you for the thousands of other students in the country that you have zero knowledge of: each one capable of applying to your course of preference.

To re-iterate: don't pick your choices based on points requirements - pick in order of personal preference. No other factor need apply in your decision making process.

Corruptedmorals

Have they released the figures of how many are doing the LC yet? Last year was the lowest for ages but the CAO was higher than average..points still dropped though, except for a lot of Trinity courses. Law and Psychology will go up slightly, and Medicine in Trinity will go back up to 590. Last year's new courses will go up as well.

degausserxo

I though medicine was going down to 450 plus an aptitude test for those doing the LC in 2009?

Fad

degausserxo wrote: »

I though medicine was going down to 450 plus an aptitude test for those doing the LC in 2009?

was that ever confirmed?
it be lovely (then again maybe it wouldnt)

Peleus

anyone know anything about the points for engineering in Trinity? they were 450 last year. anyone think they'll go up or down?

Fad

Peleus wrote: »

anyone know anything about the points for engineering in Trinity? they were 450 last year. anyone think they'll go up or down?

i think it will stay the same, the HL C3 i think is enough to keep it static

Infernon

What you think about Philosophy and Political science course at Trinity?At the moment,it requires 495 points and there are only 10 places available.Is this an indication of the popularity of the course,or contrary?

1huge1

Xhristy wrote: »

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Are you serious? I've down commerce with chinese in UCC which is 405 points...
If it was to go up It would be worrying.

Still though the course is in its 1st year and the courses weren't all filled so wonder if that'll make a difference for the year coming

I only filled 8 choices in the CAO (all level 8) and there all business/commerce of some sort.

Though you say loads of people you know have some sort of business down?
not in my school at all so im sure it varies from place to place, everyone in my school seems to be doing teaching of some sort (primary teaching mainly... its madness)

Chunky Monkey

Fad wrote: »

was that ever confirmed?
it be lovely (then again maybe it wouldnt)

Why wouldn't it be? It's about feckin time they dropped the points. I got a place in the UK with 460 points (discounting my D3 in business, they only looked for AAABB). The requirement here will be 480. I think it has been confirmed.

kwestfan08

Anybody know anything about commerce in NUIG. It will be a struggle to get the 400 ish points that I need but if they go up, I'll be fecked

Overheal

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Anybody know anything about commerce in NUIG. It will be a struggle to get the 400 ish points that I need but if they go up, I'll be fecked

Irrelevant. if you want it put it down as your choice. If you dont get it: well then poo, you just get your next choice down the list. This is how the system works. Quit worrying about speculating on how many points you will actually require, just try to get as many points as you can.

You never know, good things can happen. My course's cutoff was 360 that year but the top 3 students (in the 490s or so) all received some scholarship money at the end of the year from our course sponsor. Total bull**** in my opinion, but it happened. Dont sell yourself short.

1huge1

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Anybody know anything about commerce in NUIG. It will be a struggle to get the 400 ish points that I need but if they go up, I'll be fecked

Well according to a guy further up the thread he expects commerce/business courses to go up, though he says thats because he knows so many people in his school going for business (certainly not the case in my school)

so I'd expect it to stay around the same.

just wondering are you going for commerce by itself in galway or with a language?

Fad

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

Why wouldn't it be? It's about feckin time they dropped the points. I got a place in the UK with 460 points (discounting my D3 in business, they only looked for AAABB). The requirement here will be 480. I think it has been confirmed.

well the the point it the people with high points and passible aptitude would still get the place as thay got the higher points, the demand for the course would push the points up and we'd be at the same situation the next year:)

nerdysal

Primary Teaching is bound to go up. The amount of people I've talked to that one to do it is unreal!!! There's five people in my class alone applying for it!!!

Does anyone think NCI's points will go up? I've applied for Financial Services.

I agree, alot of people want to do Commerce in UCD this year too. I'd say it will definitely go up 10 points at least.

stev2604

What about Commerce or Commerce with French in UCC? I know a fair few people who are doing it, but that's hardly indicative of the actual demand..

Anyone think they'll go up/down?

kwestfan08

1huge1 wrote: »

Well according to a guy further up the thread he expects commerce/business courses to go up, though he says thats because he knows so many people in his school going for business (certainly not the case in my school)

so I'd expect it to stay around the same.

just wondering are you going for commerce by itself in galway or with a language?

Just doing commerce on its own.

Chunky Monkey

Fad wrote: »

well the the point it the people with high points and passible aptitude would still get the place as thay got the higher points, the demand for the course would push the points up and we'd be at the same situation the next year:)

Well they're increasing the number of places from 305 to 725. Also if the points requirement does push up it means the admissions personnel aren't doing their job properly. With the new system students are supposed to be judged on more than their academic ability because for some reason they've only realised now that more than that is required from a doctor.

timmywex

for next years lc'ers, medicine will be at 480 points, and when you have that, you can do an aptitude test and depending on the results of that and the leaving cert, places are awarded

1huge1

Well im going for commerce with chinese in ucc and have commerce with german in ucc as my 2nd choice.

Can't speak too much for french but I do know that the chinese course was in its 1st year this year and they didnt even fill all the places and german is only 320 so whatever it goes up I'm still going to be ok id say.

As for the guy saying primary teaching is going to go up I completely agree, I know so many people going for it, like half my year have teaching down of some sort, most of them having Mary I down.
Wouldnt like the course myself but sure

Chunky Monkey

They'll be interviewing as well. Unless they've changed that?

Fad

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

They'll be interviewing as well. Unless they've changed that?

i might actually put Med on my CAO then

Carsinian Thau

Fad wrote: »

i might actually put Med on my CAO then

Please tell me that's either a joke or you have more reasons than the possibility of acceptance being based on an interview.

ZorbaTehZ

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

Why wouldn't it be? It's about feckin time they dropped the points. I got a place in the UK with 460 points (discounting my D3 in business, they only looked for AAABB). The requirement here will be 480. I think it has been confirmed.

Source please. Otherwise, you're just going to confuse and annoy people tbh.

Chunky Monkey

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1216/medical.html

A new selection process has been announced for students who want to study medicine.

It includes the introduction of a medical school admissions test for Leaving Cert students who get a minimum of 480 points.

The test will measure general and personal skills.

The number of university places for medicine is also to increase from 305 to 725.

The changes will be introduced in 2009.

It says 'announced' (rather than 'suggested') which means it's been confirmed.

Something else interesting, got this off http://www.careerahead.ie/

New Medicine Entry:
Entry to undergraduate medicine programmes will be determined through a combination of an aptitude test and CAO points from 2009. Under the new system, any candidate who achieves 480 points is eligible to sit the aptitude test. The aptitude test will examine mental ability, reasoning, personal skills and professional attributes. A maximum of 2 attempts of the aptitude test is allowed.

Max two attempts of aptitude. I wonder does that mean in the same year or does it mean you can only apply for medicine twice and then it's the abroad/graduate route.

I suppose it'll probably go down the UK route where resit applicants are not viewed too kindly.

Chunky Monkey

Here's something else that people doing the leaving this year might want to note, according to this article: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/leaving-points--count-for-little-in-medicine-entry-shakeup-1270213.html

Students who get 480 points or more this year may have to repeat again next year anyway to apply for medicine as there are fears that there may be a huge number of applicants otherwise. There hasn't been a final decision on that yet but looks like it's heading that way.

straight_As

I was told by junior doctor that the main reason for the high points required for medicine is the number of repeat students putting it no. 1 on their CAO.

His theory is that if someone can achieve 500 points in their first sitting of the LC, medicine is well within reach in the repeat. His logic was that if you have a decent grasp of the material covered the first time, a year's revision will fill in the gaps and strengthen the deficiencies. In many instances this will result in the almost pre-requisite A1.

He told us that between a third and half his class at med school were repeats.

Chunky Monkey

He's probably right. We wouldn't have to repeat if the points requirement wasn't so goddamn high. I understand why they might look for A1s in subjects like chemistry and biology and even English (might come in handy for case reports and presentations) but why do I have to get an A1 in business?

me2gud4u

yeh very true, there are a lot of repeats in my year ucd. And in regards to the aptitude test that has been confirmed and will be in operation for present fifth yrs. There's no interview though. Can't remember the details exactly but ur actual leaving results still outweigh (and rightly so imo) the results of your aptitude test. Nothing will really change as the best leaving certers will scoop up all the places anyway.

Chunky Monkey

What if they come across as selfish and tactless on the aptitude test as many of them (in my own experience) are?

That being said the UKCAT (UK Clinical Aptitude Test) is next to useless, especially the personality section. I wonder which one they're going to use.

The thing that really pisses me off about the current application system is that fairly low grades are required in subjects like chemistry and maths but high points so you could get those points in subjects that are completely irrelevant and still get in.

straight_As

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

What if they come across as selfish and tactless on the aptitude test as many of them (in my own experience) are?

That being said the UKCAT (UK Clinical Aptitude Test) is next to useless, especially the personality section. I wonder which one they're going to use.

The thing that really pisses me off about the current application system is that fairly low grades are required in subjects like chemistry and maths but high points so you could get those points in subjects that are completely irrelevant and still get in.

It would seem that in Ireland, the application requirements need a certain amount of tailoring. I was just reading the qualifax website and I quote:
Minimum Subject Requirements:

Irish: Ordinary D3
English: Ordinary D3
A third language: Ordinary D3
Mathematics: Ordinary D3
1 Laboratory Science Subject: Ordinary D3**
1 Other Recognised Subjects

Is this a joke or this a joke? Someone with an OD3 in physics and no other science could theoretically be accepted based on obtaining 570 points......
Whereas, a student with A1's in maths, physics, chemistry and biology could be rejected based on not reaching the "points threshold".

Seems wrong to me.

The answer would probably be to head more towards the A-Level idea. Relevant subjects in high demand courses could be given preference. e.g. for medicine, A1 in a science would equal 100 points whereas an A1 in a subject less "related" such as art or Tech Graph might only warrant 90 points.

This could be applied to many different courses, i.e., of what importance are the sciences in relation to business?

I realise that it would be a logistics nightnare but, meh, the CAO system seems confusing enogh as it is.

Also, may I add, interviewing in country as small as Ireland is no way of allocating third level places. Our country is too small and chances are someone will either know an interviewer or else networking will begin to ignite acquaintences with interviewers.

(I have nothing for or against any of the aforementioned subjects)

Sorry for the rant;)

Chunky Monkey

Ye I was talking to a GP who said the same thing about the interviewing.

I got 505 points in my leaving. However I got A1s in chemistry, biology and English and a B1 in maths. I don't think that's too bad for the relevant subjects. However I got a B3 in French and a D3 in business, two subjects which aren't relevant. So now I'm wasting another year trying to bring an irrelevant subject up to an A1 and another irrelevant one to the max B1 I can get because I can't afford schooling fees.

Ugh sorry it's a sore spot.

Diarmsquid

Cillers27 wrote: »

what courses are going to go up points wise

e.g - Commerce UCD guarenteed. 485

How is it guaranteed?

dip

Heard today from my teacher that there's been a 7% on last year of the amount of applications to UCD, presuming it will have a noticable affect on points.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

dip wrote: »

Heard today from my teacher that there's been a 7% on last year of the amount of applications to UCD, presuming it will have a noticable affect on points.

7% what???:D

dip

:rolleyes:

Fad

Carsinian Thau wrote: »

Please tell me that's either a joke or you have more reasons than the possibility of acceptance being based on an interview.

:rolleyes:

i have no intention of putting it particularly high up on my CAO, maybe in between pastry chefing and basket weeving?

my point is that this change make medicine slightly more accessible

Chunky Monkey

Considering how many people here get 600 points by spending lots of money on extra grinds they really should have access courses for those from schools in disadvantaged areas like they do in the UK.

dan719

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

Considering how many people here get 600 points by spending lots of money on extra grinds they really should have access courses for those from schools in disadvantaged areas like they do in the UK.

They do. Trinity's is called TAP.

Chunky Monkey

For medicine? I've never heard of that. What does it involve?

dan719

For students in certain 'disadvantaged' schools (I use invertered commas because I'm not sure I personally agree with Trinity's definition) students can be offered a place in any course in the college with less then the CAO points(I believe it's 3/4 of the total but I may be wrong).

See www.tcd.ie for further info.

P.S A little off topic but I'm not sure I agree with your stance on access programmes. It's not fair to assume that all people who achieve high points have had access to grind schools, or in the case that they did that their parents didn't have to make hugh sacrifices to send them to schools such as the Institute. IMHO access programmes don't lessen the divide between high and low levels of income in terms of attendence at University, rather it discriminates against those within middle bracket social classes, the student who gets 570 who doesn't recieve a place in college because someone from a so-called disadvantaged area with 450 get's it instead. Rant rant rant.

Steveo12345youg

nerdysal wrote: »

Primary Teaching is bound to go up. The amount of people I've talked to that one to do it is unreal!!! There's five people in my class alone applying for it!!!

Does anyone think NCI's points will go up? I've applied for Financial Services.

I agree, alot of people want to do Commerce in UCD this year too. I'd say it will definitely go up 10 points at least.

Yes i would agree with u there in my school sixth years a good 10 want to do
primary teaching argh!

1huge1

Ya close on 30 have all sorts of teaching down in my year (mostly primary), 3 years in Mary I in Limerick, I'd rather die

The building is falling apart like.

K4t

College Lecturer is what I desperately want to be.

I wouldn't be able to put up with stupid dickheads in secondary schools and I don't have the required level of Irish for Primary school teaching.

Lecturing requires more knowledge of your chosen subject and a higher level of education obviously.

It's competitive but I'm sure I would enjoy it.

*oooh better check the points!!!*