A lot of hunters have lymes disease

ivanthehunter

a lot of hunters have Lyme's disease. so watch out for ticks that suck your blood..:D:D:D:D:D

bunny shooter

And some have mental illness :rolleyes:

ivanthehunter

thats brave of ya to attack on yer own:cool:

bunny shooter

Paranoid too

ivanthehunter

ok really they do.. is ther much of it in ireland?

J.R.

My brother in law (not a hunter) became very, very sick in the U.S. on contacting Lymes disease. He was just picnicing in an area frequented by deer.

Luckily, when admitted to hospital the doctor, a deer hunter, recognised the symptoms straight away and was able to treat him quite quickly.

Anybody, frequenting areas where deer reside or those who hunt deer may be advised to look at the following site

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/lymedisease.htm

ivanthehunter

ANOTHER QUALITY THREAD BY ITH:cool:

NoNameRanger

ivanthehunter wrote: »

ANOTHER QUALITY THREAD BY ITH:cool:

:):)You have some neck, i'll give you that!:):):)

Just as a matter of interest, how old are you? And have you ever hunted anything.

Now back on topic, one of your better ones Ivan.
I know of quite a few people in Ireland that have had Lymes Disease. Something we all need to be aware of. Don't be afraid to tell a doctor if you think you have it. Can be easily treated if caught on time, if not, your a vegtable.
Wear gaitors, thermal underwear and disposable gloves when working on deer. Watch out for ticks crawling on you and your clothes. Strip off as soon as you can and wash all gear (put it straight in the machine) and jump in a hot shower. Get your nearest and dearest to check the areas you can't see for ticks after the shower and remove them. I've had up to a dozen in one day, thankfully i have a beautiful woman that loves killing them:):D;).

ivanthehunter

I Dont Hunt I Only Poach

Sparks

Nothing wrong with that Ivan, just add a little salt and a little white wine vinegar and remember to swirl the water gently.
And you may find it useful to crack the egg into a cup before pouring it into the water.
Or you could just cheat and put a ring on the bottom of the pan, but that's not as much fun really.

Jonty

Ivan,

I don't really think that you should advertise the fact that you poach, or even joke about it.

ivanthehunter

relax,,, I'll let you off the hook.. wont post anymore controversial post here..:mad:

Mellor

Sparks wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that Ivan, just add a little salt and a little white wine vinegar and remember to swirl the water gently.
And you may find it useful to crack the egg into a cup before pouring it into the water.
Or you could just cheat and put a ring on the bottom of the pan, but that's not as much fun really.

I must try this :cool:

ivanthehunter

can you protect you dog for lymes?? and
do dogs suffer from it or only carry it??

Traumadoc

The only case of Lyme disease I have seen here is of a person returning from the States. She was walking in the fields in New England. A hill walker.
I think it less likely that hunters get lyme disease as the tick that transmits it is more active in the summer

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12150_12220-26945--,00.html

read the bottom paragraph.

A lot of hunters having lyme disease is a statement that is not based on facts.

thelurcher

My father had it - probably got it after a trip to Kentucky.
Took the quacks of doctors here months to diagnose it but he's OK now but no where near 100% - his hands are especially weak.

A sika I was butchering at the weekend had ticks on it - they didn't look as if they had been feeding though - do they always stay on the host during winter?
I've been seeing fleas around since Christmas - the weather is so mild.

cavan shooter

I would be more worried about Leptosprirosis (weils disease) at least you can see the ticks take precautions and get them off. Weils is very nasty, Flu like symptoms that last a year, common among golfers, canoeists and anyone else out and about.....especially if you are crawling around ditches, hedges lakes etc..:eek:

davethecrane

:eek:

ivanthehunter wrote: »

I Dont Hunt I Only Poach

u'd av trouble poaching an egg,by the sound of it

meathstevie

One for Traumadoc : the cure is a fairly heavy course of antibiotics isn't it ?

NoNameRanger

Traumadoc wrote: »

The only case of Lyme disease I have seen here is of a person returning from the States. She was walking in the fields in New England. A hill walker.
I think it less likely that hunters get lyme disease as the tick that transmits it is more active in the summer

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12150_12220-26945--,00.html

read the bottom paragraph.

A friend of mine got it while hunting in Germany and was treated for it here after he self diagnosed it and informed the doctor, he was put on very heavy and long dose of antibiotics to the best of my knowledge.
I have heard of many others that have had it here and they all were deer hunters.
Do doctors actually record these cases or do they just treat them and move on? Is the medication prescribed for it only used for this purpose, if so would it be possible to see how much is being used? Is there an actual database that all doctors are obliged to enter diseases and sicknesses. And if there is do they actually do it?
In a nutshell how do we know if people are actually getting it here or not?

ivanthehunter

If you look at ms it seems to be very similar in symptoms.. you can see that people don't believe a word i say but they might listen to their doc when there crippled with joint pain and lose all there muscle strength.. The only reason that not too many have it here is quite simple...

Deer stalkers should be prone to tick attack!:rolleyes:

Deer stalking takes understanding and temperament, a thing not found in many- Its all to easy to jump out of the car and run up the back ditch to the spot you know where deer jump through.. Not much chance of catching a tick on you 40min stroll with easy shoots at 150-200yards.
On the other hand and on the otherside of the world in the U.S there is a large movement who hunt by bow and arrows and xbow and bolts:) alone. Due to the sporting distances of bow hunting:) most hunts are by the ambush method, this calls for hours of waiting in tall grasses and thickets, this leaves them open to tick attack.. NOT ATTACK BY THICKS:cool:

Traumadoc

NoNameRanger wrote: »

A friend of mine got it while hunting in Germany and was treated for it here after he self diagnosed it and informed the doctor, he was put on very heavy and long dose of antibiotics to the best of my knowledge.
I have heard of many others that have had it here and they all were deer hunters.
Do doctors actually record these cases or do they just treat them and move on? Is the medication prescribed for it only used for this purpose, if so would it be possible to see how much is being used? Is there an actual database that all doctors are obliged to enter diseases and sicknesses. And if there is do they actually do it?
In a nutshell how do we know if people are actually getting it here or not?

No its not on the list of notifiable diseases ( bizarrely Q fever another zoonosis is)http://www.ndsc.ie/hpsc/NotifiableDiseases/ListofNotifiableDiseases/
I am hospital based so I dont know how many cases are seen in primary care.

However I feel that the disease would be more likely seen in Farmers, Forestry workers and hill walkers as these frequent this type of enviroment especially in summer and wearing light clothing.
Advice sheet:
http://www.ndsc.ie/hpsc/A-Z/Vectorborne/LymeDisease/Publications/File,1821,en.pdf

The antbiotics used are also used for a wide range of infections.

Traumadoc

meathstevie wrote: »

One for Traumadoc : the cure is a fairly heavy course of antibiotics isn't it ?

Yes it can be a 2 month course, of a third gen cephalosporin.

ivanthehunter

is there a vaccine or some shots for my dog or me

Traumadoc

No vaccine. there is one for Q fever which is a nasty disease, but very expensive (600 euro i think).

thelurcher

Is there a human vaccination for lepto?
I know there's one for dogs.

harlem

Good Lord I'm going to hose the other half down with Jeyes fluid everytime he comes in from deer hunting now!
I've heard of weils, unfortunately we lost one of our spans with it only last week but never heard of lymes - scarey the things that are out there!

Traumadoc

thelurcher wrote: »

Is there a human vaccination for lepto?
I know there's one for dogs.

no vaccine for humans, quite rare though

Kaldorn

i wouldnt mind if a few of you got it,it'd server you right for hunting or poaching as ivan was bragging about..what a d1ckhead you are ivan

NoNameRanger

Kaldorn wrote: »

i wouldnt mind if a few of you got it,it'd server you right for hunting or poaching as ivan was bragging about..what a d1ckhead you are ivan

Ivan just got bitten by a THICK!!:D:):):)

Was he referring to all hunters or just Ivan?

Coming into this forum and calling people names should deserve a ban from boards.

Moderators????

Kaldorn

NoNameRanger wrote: »

Ivan just got bitten by a THICK!!:D:):):)

Was he referring to all hunters or just Ivan?

Coming into this forum and calling people names should deserve a ban from boards.

Moderators????

you called me a thick and i was refferring to ivan boasting about poaching so mods if you ban me ban him too for calling me a thick!!

NoNameRanger

Kaldorn wrote: »

you called me a thick and i was refferring to ivan boasting about poaching so mods if you ban me ban him too for calling me a thick!!

You are a troll here and i stand by the fact that you are thick.:D Coming to this forum and abusing us, when you have zero knowledge of hunting or willingness to try and understand it, i have seen you in action before on the Nature and birdwatching forum. So now either you go back to where you came from or apologise and stay and see if you might learn a little about hunting.:rolleyes:

Sparks

NoNameRanger wrote:

Moderators????

There aren't any at the moment (see the stickies in the main forum for details), so just flag the post with the button. Those are the charter's rules...

NoNameRanger

Here's another informative post by Kaldorn. Nice chap i'm sure you'll agree.:rolleyes:

See what i've highlighted in bold font, priceless!:D:rolleyes:

set landmines for the gits,i was browsing the hunting and shooting forum,really made me mad and i was going to put a few well thought out words in there but then i would have been banned and i am not going to stop them so there was no point,i would shoot a magpie tho and at leat no one mentions fox shooting or badger baiting but the real one that gets my goat is the deer hunting,how could you kill such a beautifull animal.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055160059

katie86

Kaldorn, your posts and previous posts show have no desire to learn or further your knowledge about nature and wildlife. Tbh i dont think anyone would want to help you learn if you are going to be that insulting and judgemental, you're not doing anything to help yourself.

If youre going to be so opinionated (sp?) on a subject...at least go and educate yourself first. This forum wouldnt be a bad place to start;) You'l soon find that the people here are not mad bloodhungry lunatics, but respectful, genuine and here to learn more about something they love.

Try keeping the mouth shut and eyes and ears open for a while:)

.243

ivanthehunter wrote: »

is there a vaccine or some shots for my dog or me

im afraid you cant cure "stupid",its a shame your dog might have it too:D:D:D

ivanthehunter

All jokes aside.. its real and its out there,
I was on the west coast a few years ago after rabbits. I was setting a few snares. But i was amazed at the number of rabbits on the sandy banks where i was. I spent an hour or two observing the little creatures trying to gain some insight into their world. I was lying down on the sandy rabbit warren, trying to keep a low profile(nothing new for me:D).. After a while i saw what appeared to be a rabbit moving in a very erratic fashion. Suddenly i realised that it was a stoat.. it was truly amazing, it had a light brown coat with a white under belly and white inner ears and white under its chin. I was rooted to the spot as it coursed in and out of burrows and over rocks. its energy was end less.. it was in plan sight for only a few mins but i stuck around in hope of a second look.. I knew that it was time to go when i caught sight of the local fox on his evening patrol. After a quick glance at my snares i set of home..
Next day i was back and had caught 3 rabbits, two small young ones-way too small and a nice 3/4 rabbit, nice pot size. All were alive and the two small ones were promptly released and when placed on the grass in front of me they just sat there. I had to back off, then they got brave and ran.. The larger lad was put to sleep. and i went off fishing for the day.... While fishing i was doing a lot of scratching around the belly-- I put it down to the mouldy house that we were staying.. The day went on (just like this story) and i kept itching but i thought it would just stop.. Next day i was still itching and in a rage i lifted up my t-shirt to see why my belly button was so bloody itchy.. :eek::eek::eek::eek: There it was a bloody tick, right in my belly button.. I heated up the cigarette to a red hot sharp tip by blowing on it. I tried burning the little blighter out but the fag burned me more... In a frenzy i got the swiss army out and used the pliers to pull it out.... Bad move...
The jaws stayed in and the itch continued for a few days.. I should have used a drop of petrol or diesel and the tick would have let go.... I obviously picked it up at the rabbit warren... Just note that the area was also packed with sheep and was summer time....... If you sit around in one spot for a long time you can expect to attract a few in similar conditions and at same of year... Anytimes since this i get the boss to give my other areas a quick once over.......... But i,d do it all again to see that stoat.... Well worth it:)

meathstevie

Who the feck rants on about landmines and that sort of ****. If you were a gun owner and you were overheard talking that sort of crap you shouldn't be surprised to have your guns taken from you because of inappropiate attitude only. Anyone who spews that sort of nonsense in my view is no thick but should definitly get a rabies test done.

Tick Talk

Just to confirm that yes, Lyme disease does exist in Ireland. There's publications on Pubmed written by Prof Gray in Ireland where they've tested ticks in Killarney, Connermara and Wicklow and the ticks tested did carry Lyme. I run a support group for Lyme sufferers and although I myself was infected in the U.S. I have come across several people who were infected here in Ireland. The sad fact is that many people are misdiagnosed as having ME, MS or even depression or suffering from hysteria and the reality is that testing for it is hit and miss.

We have recently started a petition to make Lyme Disease Notifiable. This will help us to raise awareness of the disease in the medical profession. If anyone would like to help us sign the petition or even just click on the link to read the comments from infected people (both here and abroad) we'd be very grateful.

Our target is 250 signatures and we are almost there!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Lyme-Disease-Ireland

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44960753282

Prof Gray's article:

http://www.ucd.ie/agri/html/homepage/research_96_99/research_1998_99/ERM/ERM05.html

Extracts from the text - full report in link above:-

Lyme disease in Ireland J. S. Gray, F. Kirstein, O. Kahla and J. N. Robertson Institute of Zoology, Free University of Berlin, Germany; Lyme Disease Reference Unit, Southampton General Hospital, UK.

Lyme disease (Lyme borreliosis - LB) is a potentially debilitating disease transmitted by ticks, but although the tick vector, Ixodes ricinus, is common and widespread in Ireland, awareness of LB is low. The series of studies described here investigated the biology and epidemiology of Irish LB in an attempt to assess the present and future risk that it may pose.

Prevalence of infection in ticks:- The influence of habitat characteristics on risk of infection was further investigated in field studies in Connemara, Co. Kerry and Co. Wicklow, in which ticks collected from well-described habitats were analysed for infection by IFA or polymerase chain reaction (PCR). It was found that ticks collected from woodland had markedly and consistently higher infection prevalences (11-28%) than ticks collected from open farmland (0-1%), in which tick hosts were almost exclusively sheep or cattle.

Additionally, it was found that the highest infection prevalences were found in the most heterogeneous woodland, presumably reflecting the wider variety of vertebrate hosts present. It is thus apparent that risk of LB cannot be determined from risk of tick-bite alone and that the nature, abundance and variety of tick-hosts in a given habitat are also important.

Back to the original title of the topic - yes hunters are at risk of catching Lyme disease!

Nemesis

Wonder where they took the samples in Avondale.
In the Deer enclosure or outside it.


I had a tick stuck to me years ago..just pulled him out..I haven't felt like an 18 year old since.

jwshooter

thank you for posting this tick talk .

i hate the little feckers ,there is areas this stalk that are walking with them .
i wear gaiters on the hill and a apron and wellies in the larder ,i know when i have one my hole body itches and the bites swell up.

you have me stretch now

endasmail

jesus yiz have me worried now !

k_d

http://www.tmb.ie/exodus/disease.asp?disease=Tick+Borne+Encephalitis


Think this is the same thing, maybe medidoc can confirm it,

i was traveling a few years ago and got a vaccination to help with the prevention of this...

very exspensive...

Tick Talk

k_d wrote: »

http://www.tmb.ie/exodus/disease.asp?disease=Tick+Borne+Encephalitis


Think this is the same thing, maybe medidoc can confirm it,

i was traveling a few years ago and got a vaccination to help with the prevention of this...

very exspensive...

Hi there - Tick Born Encephalitis is very nasty but different to Lyme disease. The one good thing is that (as mentioned) there is a vaccine for TBE but the one for Lyme disease was withdrawn due to complications. I've been told that Avon Skin So Soft is pretty useful to help prevent ticks as it provides an oily barrier so it doesn't wash off so readily and also contains citronella. Deet products can also be used.

There's a brilliant website that looks at Lyme and TBE infected areas in Europe - however Ireland is missing off the edge of the map! I have been in touch with them to try and get that updated but if you're travelling to mainland Europe or the UK it could be a useful tool. Also, they're asking for people to report when they see ticks in a Tick Watch survey.

The website is:

Tick Alert Map - http://www.tickalert.org/map.html
Lyme/TBE Prevention - http://www.tickalert.org/prevention.html

Article re: TBE
January 2008

Many nurses providing travel health advice do not realise that Tick Borne Encephalitis (TBE) is endemic in twice as many countries in Europe as they think.

In a survey by Tick Alert 37% of nurses said the disease, which can prove fatal, is prevalent in up to 15 countries, when the latest research puts the number of TBE destinations in mainland Europe at 27. Six per cent think the disease is endemic in less than 10 countries.

And while a third of those questioned have seen an increase in the number of patients enquiring about TBE and 75 per cent are aware that a pre-travel TBE vaccine exists, the results show that understanding of the disease risk is poor with 72 per cent saying all aspects of their knowledge of TBE could be improved.

A spokesperson for Tick Alert said: “With the growing popularity of active holidays, particularly in countries of Central Europe and the surge in visitor numbers to the Baltic States, it’s imperative that travel health nurses keep up-to-date with the latest information about TBE and risk areas.”

The majority of respondents listed fever as one of the main symptoms of TBE, and Tick Alert advocates that patients returning from summer holidays complaining of flu-like symptoms should be asked about their recent travel history as a matter of course.

Visitors to rural areas of endemic countries, particularly those participating in outdoor activities such as trekking, hiking, camping and cycling are particularly at risk of contracting TBE.

Tick Alert urges nurses to advise patients who may be at risk of contracting the disease to seek adequate protection before travelling.

http://www.tickalert.org/media_news.html

Tom Donnavan

it certainly is in Ireland now. I remember reading a local newspaper 4-5 months ago about a forestor in Donegal being infected and going to doctors and hospital for checkups for months before he was even diagnosed with it.

Sparks

Months? I thought Lyme disease came with that great big bullseye swelling around the bite?

Double Barrel

Oh hell! At the mention of these little hard body feckers ..... I am off on a full body search ... have to get the redhead to lend a hand. ;):D



Abstract

Ticks of the Ixodes ricinus (persulcatus) species complex are vectors for several zoonotic diseases including, babesiosis, ehrlichiosis, Lyme borreliosis and tick-borne encephalitis. An understanding of the biology of the vectors is fundamental to prevention and control of these diseases, and in addition to summarising established knowledge, this review addresses recent work on seasonal activity, host specificity, inter- and intraspecific variations in biology and factors affecting distribution and abundance.


http://www.zooeco.org/zooeco/soczee/meetings/CRTBI/abstract/grey.asp

Deerspotter

I was out deer spotting in Wicklow in the summer of 2005 to try and get some photo's of calves.
I then a week later went to another EU country.
In that country I fainted with a temperature of over 102*F. This just happened to happen close to a GP's rooms, where I was dragged too.
After coming through and pointing out the large red ring on my stomach, I was immediatly diagnosed with Lymes disease.
Treatment was easy.
It was from a tick in Wicklow that latched on to my stomach.
I was very over tiered for many months after.
If I had kept the tick for inspection, it would have made diagnoses even quicker.
On occasion when I am unlucky enough to get a tick, I always keep it in a jar, labelled with date and locations, so as to facilitate quicker diagnoses.
Good tread, f off anti-hunters

jwshooter

caping a mature stag your sure to get some roll the selves well up ,also hang your gaiters and cloths up at night as the little bastards fall off .

its very important to groom your dog when stalking in a tick infested area ,

Deerspotter

What does 'caping a mature stag' mean?

kleefarr

I have started a three week course of By-Mycin 100mg for Lyme Disease today.
I'm not a hunter either. Visited a farm/park where they had a few dear a week before Easter, so that's were I must have got it.

Got the bullseye rash on the back of my right calf. It's twice the size of the original one now, as it spread over the last few weeks.