Discussion of Web Hosts on Webmaster forum

cgarvey

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Forward those questions to H365, this is not their support site.

Surely, given the size of the host, that there's a general Irish Webmaster interest here that warrants discussion of the issue? I mean, subject to the charter rules that is.

What was a significant event that affects a lot / most / all Irish webmasters (that this forum is meant to cater for) is a taboo subject. Why?

If the answer is along the lines of "because it descends in to a slag-fest" then punish those people (which are invariable hosters pimping anyway) and let's get on with the discussion that affects the community. No?

I'm not writing this because my previous thread was locked, but because most hosting-related threads get locked because of 3 or 4 hosters (who are never reprimanded for blatent breach of the charter) and it's the community that loses out.

Disclaimer: Whilst I do manage servers/hosting, I don't offer those services to the public. I am, or was, a customer of most of the big Irish companies, and am in no way affiliated with any outside of that.

aidan_walsh

The rules of the charter are clear, forward all technical queries regarding a host to the host's support. This follows with queries and discussions regarding outages - anything posted here is speculation at best unless it comes from one of the H365 guys on boards.

As for making people aware of the issue, H365 do this through their own status website linked in the other thread. If you're buying hosting, you should be following your hosts updates regarding uptime, outages and maintenance. If someone gets a complaint that their site is down, thats where they should go, not here.

ianhobo

I'm sure ill regret posting this

In fairness, cgarneys original post (now locked) was neither seeking technical assistance as per the charter, nor was he seeking hosting support, and it wasn't "hosting bashing"
He simply informed others of a situation and left it at that.

If was another poster who then left a "personal view" regarding hosting, which shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether its related to hosting, politics, or the weather as it completely detracts from any possible conversation or decent discussion by those who are genuinely interested in discussing a topic.

When you buy a service or a product, be it a car, a cream from boots, do you sign up to all their "service announcements" regarding updates, safety recalls etc

I think the same applies here. There is nothing in the charter against providing information - it's unfortunate however that some people have to immediately resort to slander because they have a differeing personal experience, thereby robbing all of us the opportunity to discuss something which *is* an integral part to being a webmaster

Blaster99

I tried to resurrect the web hosting forum but was greeted with a lot of paranoia from various quarters so it went nowhere. Might be time to start a webhosting.ie forum so this stuff can be discussed without the threats that goes with this place.

I would recommend hosting in the UK, to answer the original post. Cheaper and better. The latency to the UK is marginal so there's no real point in hosting in Ireland.

jmcc

Blaster99 wrote: »

I tried to resurrect the web hosting forum but was greeted with a lot of paranoia from various quarters so it went nowhere. Might be time to start a webhosting.ie forum so this stuff can be discussed without the threats that goes with this place.

Sometimes hosting discussions do end up as pissing contests. This is because the Irish hosting market is a very competitive one. The other problem is that the barrier to entry at the retail end of the hosting business is low. Just about anyone can get some shared hosting and call themselves a hoster. And hundreds do.

At the low end of the market, the average lifetime for these players is about 18 months. Many set up during the school/college holidays and their relations and parents' friends sometimes provide them with clients (web development is often a part of this and they do work cheaper than real web development businesses). They rarely get larger than about 15 domains - most of them are personal domains registered for projects that haven't a hope in hell of happening. And eighteen months or so later, the real hosters, the webdevs and the clients are left mess of sorting out domains that have been not been registered in the client's names or getting EPP codes for domains or trying to recover the remains of the websites from archive.org.

There is only a few pure-play hosters in Ireland. Most of the Irish hosting business consists of web developers who provide web hosting to their clients. Many of these hosters post here. However one of the problems with the previous webhosting forum was that there was a lot of jockeying for position and sniping. Moderation was not that effective because of the competitive nature of the hosting business. It is one thing for someone in the business to moderate a hosting forum but it is quite another for a civilian to do it. It is like a pacifist trying to break up a barfight by asking the combatants to be nice to each other.

Regards...jmcc

Blaster99

I offered to do it along with a sensible charter, but it was dismissed without discussion by some Boards admin. As Cahal points out, it's useful to be able to discuss the merits of various hosting options, providers, and locations. Anyways, if I care about enough I might setup my own forum site.

Ph3n0m

That is why before I left as MOD, I set up a sticky for people to recommend various hosters, etc

But speaking as experience of the petty bitching that used to go on here - it gets out of hand way to quickly. Especially when people get on the defensive and start lashing out threats of libel, slander and other such words that used to cause me headaches.

Gordon

Sounds like a need for an Irish webhostdiscussion site.

mneylon

There's a couple of boards over here:
http://www.irishwebmasterforum.com/

Sposs

A discussion site owned by a the owner of a hosting company doesn't allow for frank and impartial dialogue.

mneylon

Sposs wrote: »

A discussion site owned by a the owner of a hosting company doesn't allow for frank and impartial dialogue.

Webhostingtalk.com was owned by EV1 for years.

And if it was owned by someone else you'd have another complaint...

Ph3n0m

Sposs wrote: »

A discussion site owned by a the owner of a hosting company doesn't allow for frank and impartial dialogue.

Says who? Have you tried to initiate a discussion about hosting on that particular site?

Sposs

I'd be happy for someone like John Mc Cormac to run it. Someone with no direct links with any of the posters.

Shiminay

But would John? Ultimately, someone has to host it and if they moderate it in a way you find distateful, then set your own up (hosted in America or something ). I'm not having a go, but I don't think you're making an entirely fair point there.

AARRRGH

I have fairly equal disdain for all the Irish hosting companies, so maybe I should run it

/joke

cgarvey

So we're to set up an external site (external to Boards.ie community) just because we can't (or won't, rather) enfore a charter?

Simple, only allow the hosts to defent claims / correct mistakes, but not allow them post general comments / advice like "you should check your host does XYZ when choosing" (or anything at all other than clarifications. If they abuse that remove the posting rights and any clarifications can be done by PM/in writing.

My point above still stands. H365 outage was of concern to a significant portion of the Webmaster forum, it should be allowed to be discussed openly.

AARRRGH

I agree. It's impossible to discuss hosting issues without their usual bull**** about foreign hosts being terrible and Irish hosts being great value, or how only Irish hosts have good support (!!), or how your host should have their own data centre, etc.

Basically they shout down anyone who disagrees with them.

cgarvey

As seen as this is not in its own thread, I'll reply..

aidan_walsh wrote: »

The rules of the charter are clear

I thought so too, until I read your post. However, the pimping is clearly/blatently not being enforced.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

forward all technical queries regarding a host to the host's support.

That should be the first port of call, agreed. However, there are some problems that can be quickly solved by other posters here, or it might be handy to gauge how significant a problem is (does it affect 1 user or 1,000 users).

I get the 'this is not HostXYZ-1's support forum' (and nor should hosts be encouraged (allowed?) to post replies to them, but this is no different than being allowed to aske any other technical question. How do I do XYZ in HTML? Ask your HTML provider / software provider. How do I tweak my .htaccess? Ask your host/server provider.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

anything posted here is speculation at best unless it comes from one of the H365 guys on boards.

Of course, but then, by extension, there's a whole load of speculation. We speculate about standards, bugs, other hosts. It's the nature of online communities.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

As for making people aware of the issue, H365 do this through their own status website linked in the other thread. If you're buying hosting, you should be following your hosts updates regarding uptime, outages and maintenance. If someone gets a complaint that their site is down, thats where they should go, not here.

Ah come on. Do you really think all H365 customers know about the blog? Hell, do you think all H365 customers who post in the Webmaster forum know about the blog?

I'm not questioning Aidan (or any mod)'s ability here, I'm questioning the current status quo (a weak charter followed by weak enforcement) where the only losers are the Boards.ie community (the people who give time/expertise for free to help build the site, let's not forget). The hosters clearly have won (as can be evident in various posts 'host X posts here' right across most forums).

There's already the offer of help (and I'll throw my name in the hat) to make it right (be that more mods, updated charter, or whatever). What's wrong is not being able to discuss a significant industry event.

aidan_walsh

ianhobo wrote:

In fairness, cgarneys original post (now locked) was neither seeking technical assistance as per the charter, nor was he seeking hosting support, and it wasn't "hosting bashing"
He simply informed others of a situation and left it at that.

Those types of threads have a long and consistant history of turning to ****.

ianhobo wrote:

When you buy a service or a product, be it a car, a cream from boots, do you sign up to all their "service announcements" regarding updates, safety recalls etc

No, but if you buy a car should you be paying attention to whether or not you're getting what you paid for? Same goes for your hosting, and the hosts have their own was of doing that. If you're going to rely on going to a website to find a post saying that your host is down...

H365 outage was of concern to a significant portion of the Webmaster forum, it should be allowed to be discussed openly.

1) Bring me numbers showing that a significant portion of the forums are effected by an outage by any one host.
2) What discussion could you have? Honestly, what more can be said about whether or not a host is up or down?
How much this is effecting you? Tell your host, or a blog (maybe one hosted off your original hosting package), or take it to Consumer Issues. Thats a problem not related to being a webmaster, but whether or not your host is fulfilling their service obligations. Nothing that can be said on the Webmaster forum will change that.

Alternative hosts? Open a thread saying you are looking for new hosting, or read the Where to get Hosting sticky.

We had a Web Hosting forum. It got closed for a reason. The Webmaster forum is not its replacement.

aidan_walsh

cgarvy wrote:

Do you really think all H365 customers know about the blog? Hell, do you think all H365 customers who post in the Webmaster forum know about the blog?

Frankly, that's H365's problem is they are not advertising it in a manner that allows all their customers to know about it.

cgarvy wrote:

this is no different than being allowed to aske any other technical question. How do I do XYZ in HTML? Ask your HTML provider / software provider. How do I tweak my .htaccess? Ask your host/server provider.

Well established standards are fair game because everyone would be using them. If a host provided extensions to those standards, that would be something to refer to the host.

cgarvy wrote:

I'm questioning the current status quo (a weak charter followed by weak enforcement) where the only losers are the Boards.ie community (the people who give time/expertise for free to help build the site, let's not forget). The hosters clearly have won (as can be evident in various posts 'host X posts here' right across most forums).

I have been trying to be lenient, because I'm pretty much the new guy in there and didn't want to go in throwing my weight around. That said, I feel I have been fair at the same time, working both in thread and behind the scenes to ensure that the rules are followed.

If the community feels that that has been the wrong approach, please be free to tell me. I can come down a lot harder if thats what people want.

cgarvey

Let's take a quick look at the current charter...

LoLth wrote: »

This is not a hosting support/bashing forum. If you have a problem with your host - deal directly with them.

Don't think we need this and it's not being enforced (e.g. Letshost.ie thread)

LoLth wrote: »

NO ADVERTISING.You want to advertise, go and buy a block of banners from the Boards.ie owners. That also includes any "we are cheaper" claims.[/B]

Not being enforced at all at all. Should probably strenghten that to include "Service providers [not just hosts!] must clearly identify themselves as being such, and must only refer to their own service provision when defending or clarifying other posts referencing them, and must not refer to competitors at all.".

In the interests of the community, it might be no harm to allow / encourage providers to post new threads about new offerings.. but maybe leave that until later (and definitely not allow promises/coming soon!!)?

LoLth wrote: »

Same applied to any discussion re your internet connection, etc - deal with the provider first

If you dealt with H365 yesterday 15 minutes in to the problem, you were told there was no problem. You might have learnt otherwise in this active community, had it been allowed (I know 2 customers of H365 who learnt of the problems from my original post). Maybe encourage contacting the provider first, but I don't see why it should not be allowed.

Sections 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 all seem like suggestions/tips, rather than forum posting rules to me. I think they belong in a separate Helpful Hints section at then end of the forum posting rules.

LoLth wrote: »

NO ADVERTISING. You want to advertise, go and buy a block of banners from the Boards.ie owners. That also includes any "we are cheaper" claims.

Repeat of the above.

LoLth wrote: »

7. Flame wars will not be tolerated (after the humour has worn off that is )

Not being enforced enough especially for the repeat offenders.

Agreed on 8,9.10 (although I'm in favour of truncating the wording to make the rules more concise and more likely to be read/adhered to).

So, with a small bit more discussion (including hosters input if they prefer), I can't see why we couldn't come up with a charter that is workable, and lets topics of community interest be discussed openly (usual Boards.ie rules applied, of course).

cgarvey

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Those types of threads have a long and consistant history of turning to ****.

Agreed, but that's easily fixed. Very easily.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

1) Bring me numbers showing that a significant portion of the forums are effected by an outage by any one host.

By defeinition if H365 (one of the largest hosts in Ireland) become completely unavailable, a significant portion of the Irish webmaster community will be affected (Stephen can provide market share figures if you need 'em, I'm sure!).

As for your points about Webmaster not being Web Hosting forum, accepted (although in its absence it has to be acknowledged that, it being integral to web mastering, it's been a very active topic in Webmaster forum).

Starting a thread looking for hosting didn't get the poor dude very far (and I'm partly to blame, but it's mostly the hosts fault, again). Again, easly fixed and the poster could have got some useful advice in the process. Now, community members will be discouraged from seeking such advice. They should not have to be.

cgarvey

My final say (unless there's a direct question) on the matter is that in my opinion we could have a more open and worthwhile webmaster community if we slightly alter the charter and remove the restrictions on taboo subjects which are in place only because of a handful of posters.

I've tried to reason my point, and suggested areas of improvement. The Irish Webmaster community has lost out here, and I'm suggesting we fix that.

mneylon

Sposs wrote: »

I'd be happy for someone like John Mc Cormac to run it. Someone with no direct links with any of the posters.

Oh give over.

Someone has to run it and host it.

I run IWF but I'm not an active moderator - if you spent any time on there you'd know.

If someone wants to setup an Irish hosting forum - let them.

But it has to be hosted somewhere. It has to be run by someone and as happened with previous attempts to set these sites up someone will always take issue with some aspect of it. The Irish market is simply too small to sustain anything that big anyway.

Jmcc isn't going to want to run a forum (he can correct me if I'm wrong, though I doubt if I will be)

AARRRGH

I think Sposs's point is valid. A forum about a topic should not be owned and run by a company whose business is to sell that topic.

I have no problem with irishwebmasterforum.com, but it can't (and doesn't?) call itself an independent, unbiased forum.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

I think Sposs's point is valid. A forum about a topic should not be owned and run by a company whose business is to sell that topic.

You really should check your facts.

It's owned and run by me personally NOT the company.

Yes I own a 50% shareholding in Blacknight, but NO Blacknight does not own or run that site.

My original comment about EV1 (Robert Marsh) owning and running the largest hosting forum on the planet is being ignored by both of you ...

I wonder why?

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

You really should check your facts.

It's owned and run by me personally NOT the company.

Yes I own a 50% shareholding in Blacknight, but NO Blacknight does not own or run that site.

My original comment about EV1 (Robert Marsh) owning and running the largest hosting forum on the planet is being ignored by both of you ...

I wonder why?

LOL

You own 50% of Blacknight! How is a forum (owned by you) about hosting and webmaster issues in Ireland possibly independent and unbiased?

You're not making any sense.

Again, I have no issue with irishwebmasterforum.com, but you can't (at least, with a serious face) promote it as an independent and unbiased forum...

EKRIUQ

I'm on the IWF regularly and posted there many times on different issues and I can say that Blacknight has nerver pushed hosting, but gave a fair opinion on hosting matters.

AARRRGH

I'm sure he does... but notice his name on IWF is "blacknight". His good advice is hardly coming from the goodness of his heart; it's coming with a name attached, and that name is blacknight

Again, that's grand, but it's hardly independent...

DeVore

The reason we don't allow reports of hosting outages etc is that "competitors" gleefully run to the forum and paste every little outage and problem their competitors have. Said competitors get sore about being embarrassed in front of potential customers (often unfairly as it might only be a small issue, blown out of proportion) and go on the offensive in the "oh yeah, well what about last month when your server room blew up, eh EH?" style.

Perhaps there is an argument for allowing a company to make service outage annoucements, locked immediately afterwards, to inform any clients but I doubt they will want that or use it.

Hosting in Ireland has always been a bug bear of mine... the various companies (as can be seen on this thread) simply can't have a civil conversation with each other. Some can't be in the same room as each other without lawyers present.

Anyone who wants to open up a forum for such topics is MORE then welcome to, independent or not. I just want nothing further to do with any of them.

DeV.

Gordon

cgarvey wrote: »

So we're to set up an external site (external to Boards.ie community) just because we can't (or won't, rather) enfore a charter?

If that's an answer to me, I was suggesting it as a little gap in the market for anyone willing to set it up. Could be quite popular!

DeVore

Very Popular!


With Lawyers. lol....


DeV.

Bob the Builder

DeVore wrote: »

...

I'm with DeV on this one. And Aidan for the most part, in his views of skepticism that is.

It's time we stopped bitching about unbiased websites. I have less than 10 posts on IWF, but I spend quite a bit of time on it. Never once have I ever seen a post which implies "Please, please go with blacknight" or any other host to that effect. Yet EV1's forum is littered with hosts pushing their own product. I've seen it, in fact, i saw it so soon after beginning to use the site that, I didn't even have the chance to make an account!

I can see what Aidan is trying to get at, but i feel that there should be something here that allows people to talk, but I am aware of what happened it.

Will we ever be able to have an unbiased platform to review hosts?
If you ever go to them "Web host reviews" sites, you will see that the top result is usually bluehost, + an affiliate link because if you click that and sign-up, the webhost review site owner gets $60, so it's a vicious world, and it's going to be impossible to keep it unbiased...

Can't someone here, not a person affiliated to or employed by a web host, just buy a domain name, stick in a forum, call it the irish web host forum, and then that would solve the problem, of IWF being a "biased forum", wouldn't it? or would it? :rolleyes:

cgarvey

DeVore wrote: »

Anyone who wants to open up a forum for such topics is MORE then welcome to, independent or not. I just want nothing further to do with any of them.

Game over, ball burst. And screw the rest of us (contributors).

DeVore

Consider a forum chocked full of threads like this one. Yeah, you know what, you're dead right. Screw that.

DeV.

Ph3n0m

nevf wrote: »

Can't someone here, not a person affiliated to or employed by a web host, just buy a domain name, stick in a forum, call it the irish web host forum, and then that would solve the problem, of IWF being a "biased forum", wouldn't it? or would it? :rolleyes:

Nope - cause then whomever you buy hosting from - that means you are affiliated with them, therefore can never possibly be biased, and the circle is complete once more

seamus

nevf wrote: »

It's time we stopped bitching about unbiased websites. I have less than 10 posts on IWF, but I spend quite a bit of time on it. Never once have I ever seen a post which implies "Please, please go with blacknight" or any other host to that effect.

I'd agree with that. I don't post on IWF but I do scan it from time to time. There is a lot of the same one-upmanship we used to see here, but they are largely open discussions. And no, I don't have a blacknight account

As Ph3n0m says, there won't be any such thing as an impartial web hosts forum unless someone sets up a server in their spare bedroom and runs it from that. Then the hosters would complain about latency and hardware speed
Even then, there will always be an accusation of biase. Even if it was re-opened on boards, the first time a thread was locked there'd be an accusation that boards is trying to protect Digiweb's interests. Hell, that accusation has already been made and the forum is closed.

The idea of the webmaster forum (as I understand it) is to provide a means to discuss issues that affect webmasters. "Hosting 365 have suspended my account" isn't an issue affecting webmasters and Steve, Michele and the rest spend money employing people whose sole purpose is to sit there and actually answer these questions in a factual manner and resolve the issue. So posting on boards.ie is never the better option.

H365's major outage at the end of last year *was* permitted on the forum because it was an issue affecting webmasters. The thread was locked to avoid any pointless bitching, but the issue wasn't ignored or swept away.

Blaster99

I might checkout IWF, but it's not exactly difficult to setup the site in the UK or similar and run it in an essentially neutral environment. It's not actually necessary to host an "Irish" site in Ireland.

As for moderating it, I don't foresee any major problems or lawyers.

Shiminay

Blaster99 wrote: »

As for moderating it, I don't foresee any major problems or lawyers.

Famous last words...

AARRRGH

Well, IWF is still a fairly quiet forum. It would be insane to blast the forum with Blacknight adverts or censor posts at this stage.

In a few years when it's more popular though, who knows?

Of course, it's just hosting, no one is going to die, but still, if a new forum is going to be chosen as the webhosting forum, it would make sense to choose one which isn't run by a hosting company.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

Well, IWF is still a fairly quiet forum. It would be insane to blast the forum with Blacknight adverts or censor posts at this stage.

In a few years when it's more popular though, who knows?

Of course, it's just hosting, no one is going to die, but still, if a new forum is going to be chosen as the webhosting forum, it would make sense to choose one which isn't run by a hosting company.

I actually find your posts about me quite offensive.

I run quite a few websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the company. They never have done and they never will.

To avoid conflicts of interest I have refused to sell any advertising space on IWF to any hosting company.

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

I actually find your posts about me quite offensive.

That's funny coming from the guy who gave a quote to a magazine suggesting I'm some kind of law breaker. Tut tut.

I'm not trying to offend you. I'm just saying it's not a good idea for a forum about a topic to be run by someone with a huge vested interest in that topic. Surely this is not a difficult concept.

blacknight wrote: »

I run quite a few websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the company. They never have done and they never will.

Yes but I am not talking about those websites. I'm talking about the hosting website you run...

blacknight wrote: »

To avoid conflicts of interest I have refused to sell any advertising space on IWF to any hosting company.

I actually think that proves there is a huge conflict of interest. The webhosting forum controlled by the owner of Blacknight won't allow other hosting companies to advertise there.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

That's funny coming from the guy who gave a quote to a magazine suggesting I'm some kind of law breaker. Tut tut.

Which magazine was that in?

dublindude wrote: »

I'm not trying to offend you. I'm just saying it's not a good idea for a forum about a topic to be run by someone with a huge vested interest in that topic. Surely this is not a difficult concept.

And I keep saying and you keep ignoring my entire point about webhostingtalk.com ...

dublindude wrote: »

Yes but I am not talking about those websites. I'm talking about the hosting website you run...

Which one? Would you please use specifics. I personally own over 300 domains, while the company owns about another 200 odd.

dublindude wrote: »

I actually think that proves there is a huge conflict of interest. The webhosting forum controlled by the owner of Blacknight won't allow other hosting companies to advertise there.

It's a simple and very effective policy. No ads from any host. I don't see why that would be a conflict of interest.

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

Which magazine was that in?

Hot Press. It related to Porn.ie. You gave a rather negative opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about.

blacknight wrote: »

And I keep saying and you keep ignoring my entire point about webhostingtalk.com ...

We're not talking about Webhostingtalk.com

blacknight wrote: »

Which one? Would you please use specifics. I personally own over 300 domains, while the company owns about another 200 odd.

I'm talking about Irishwebmasterforum.com!

blacknight wrote: »

It's a simple and very effective policy. No ads from any host. I don't see why that would be a conflict of interest.

Because it's run by the owner of Blacknight! God... it's not a difficult concept to grasp.

seamus

dublindude wrote: »

That's funny coming from the guy who gave a quote to a magazine suggesting I'm some kind of law breaker. Tut tut.

And for the benefit of the OP, it's this kind of exchange which is *exactly* why the forum was closed and why other forums are under serious moderation and threat of closure.

When you get a community that's small but competitive like the Hosting one in Ireland, people seem to think that because they know who the other posters are, that offline disputes and opinions about other persons somehow become relevant to the forum.

If anything, this thread has proven conclusively that the community hasn't changed in the slightest and therefore hasn't justified the reopening/extension of any forum.

Can I lock this now?

AARRRGH

Note I'm not a host. I have nothing to gain by having this conversation.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

Hot Press. It related to Porn.ie. You gave a rather negative opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about.

I never got to see that article, so I don't know what they quoted me on saying. I'm not denying that I spoke to them or that what I said may have been negative, but as I haven't actually seen the article I have no way of knowing what they said that I said ..

Having said that ...

I gave an opinion on something I know plenty about

I'd applied for porn.ie on multiple occasions before you even made your first attempt to do so

dublindude wrote: »

We're not talking about Webhostingtalk.com

We're talking about hosting forums and possible conflicts of interest.
In adult conversation it's quite common for people to use examples of similar situations to underline their argument. I don't see why this concept is so hard for you to grasp

- it's the biggest and most popular forum on the topic online at present
- it was run by EV1's Robert Marsh

dublindude wrote: »

I'm talking about Irishwebmasterforum.com!

Ok. But I own several other "hosting related" domains and sites, so clarification would help

dublindude wrote: »

Because it's run by the owner of Blacknight! God... it's not a difficult concept to grasp.

I've addressed this.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

Note I'm not a host. I have nothing to gain by having this conversation.

So you are no longer involved with ANY business that does ANY hosting / domain registration whatsoever?

seamus

Hosts/interested parties. Potaytoes/Potaatoes.

aidan_walsh

seamus wrote:

The idea of the webmaster forum (as I understand it) is to provide a means to discuss issues that affect webmasters. "Hosting 365 have suspended my account" isn't an issue affecting webmasters and Steve, Michele and the rest spend money employing people whose sole purpose is to sit there and actually answer these questions in a factual manner and resolve the issue. So posting on boards.ie is never the better option.

Thats pretty much what I was trying to get at.

seamus wrote:

Can I lock this now?

Before you decide to, let me just say that I am pretty open to criticism (as long as its constructive), will be considering port 21 and welcome any other input that the community may have regarding the forum.

As for web host discussion, DeV has his mind made up, as it appears to have been some time ago. There will be no going back on that in the Webmaster forum.

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

I never got to see that article, so I don't know what they quoted me on saying. I'm not denying that I spoke to them or that what I said may have been negative, but as I haven't actually seen the article I have no way of knowing what they said that I said ..

Having said that ...

I gave an opinion on something I know plenty about

I'd applied for porn.ie on multiple occasions before you even made your first attempt to do so

You suggested I am breaking rules/etc to get what I want. I have not broken any rules. Surely you should know better than to post bull**** about someone in a national magazine.

Anyway, that's all history. My point was don't try to use the offensive card.

blacknight wrote: »

We're talking about hosting forums and possible conflicts of interest.
In adult conversation it's quite common for people to use examples of similar situations to underline their argument. I don't see why this concept is so hard for you to grasp

- it's the biggest and most popular forum on the topic online at present
- it was run by EV1's Robert Marsh

No one here except you is talking about webhostingtalk.com. No one cares about webhostingtalk.com.

blacknight wrote: »

So you are no longer involved with ANY business that does ANY hosting / domain registration whatsoever?

I run job websites and a number of personal websites. If a friend wants hosting, I put them on my server. I have never once tried to pass myself off as an Irish hosting company or anything like that. I have never worked for a hosting company or domain registrar.