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Match Thread 5th Feb vs. Trinity 21:30 St. Columbas

  • 04-02-2008 1:26pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭


    The Astro site seems to say it's a 21:30 kick-off in St. Columbas. Dying to get back playing after missing a couple of weeks. Played the 90 minutes with Simon's team on grass, sorry mud, yesterday so am looking forward to playing on a surface where you can pass the ball without it getting sucked in by the mud.

    Carl -

    Martin -
    Darran -
    Ed -Dan -
    Michael -
    Geoff -
    Simon -
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav -
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe -
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭Q_Ball


    Carl -

    Martin -
    Darran - Injured
    Ed -Dan -
    Michael -
    Geoff -
    Simon -
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav -
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe -
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -


    Good luck lads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭emc2


    Carl -

    Martin -
    Darran -
    Ed -Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff -
    Simon -
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav -
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe -
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Carl -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran -
    Ed -Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff -
    Simon -
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav -
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe -
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -



    Anyone driving from near DCU out to this one or could someone pick me up at Three Rock? I've no way of getting to the pitch


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Anyone driving from near DCU out to this one or could someone pick me up at Three Rock? I've no way of getting to the pitch
    Y'know my route now bud, if that's any use I've no bother meeting ye somewhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Are you picking up the gaffer? I can meet ya there if you are


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Gileadi


    I'll swing out for ya Martin (and lepo if hes not still sick), say ill get you at that spar around 8.30?


    Carlos -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran -
    Ed -Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff -
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav -
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe -
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Can you pick me up Sav? 8.15?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Cheers Simon. Thanks for the offer Sav, but Simon comes closer and the lazy bastard in me just cant resist :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Magic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭bugs90


    Carlos -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran - injured
    Ed -
    Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff -
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav - Will be there
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe - will be there
    Jules – will be there
    Art -


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Carlos -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran - injured
    Ed - Injured (but will be there, slowly getting better)
    Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff -
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav - Will be there
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh -
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe - will be there
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭BlackWizard


    Carlos -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran - injured
    Ed - Injured (but will be there, slowly getting better)
    Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff -
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin -
    Gav -
    Sav - Will be there
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh - Will be there
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe - will be there
    Jules – will be there
    Art -
    Fran -


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Bit quiet on here. Is Dan available tonight? Hope we get a turnout. Every single game now till the end of the season has revenge written all over it. But that'll mean nothing if no one turns up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    art is in tonight.
    dan is ok, he should be there also.

    i think my season is over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭FrankGrimes


    Sorry to hear that Ed - you were having a great season so would be sorry to hear its ended due to injury.

    Spoke to Gav yesterday and he'll be there, pretty sure Kenny & Carl will be too.

    Any word from Shay?

    Carlos -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran - injured
    Ed - Injured (but will be there, slowly getting better)
    Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff - Will be there
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -

    Shay -
    Colm Larkin - injured
    Gav - Will be there
    Sav - Will be there
    Larry -
    Dave -
    Darragh - Will be there
    Kenny -
    Lepo -


    Joe - will be there
    Jules – will be there
    Art - Will be there
    Fran -


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭bugs90


    Carlos -

    Martin - Will be there.
    Darran - injured
    Ed - Injured (but will be there, slowly getting better)
    Dan -
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff - Will be there
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -Will be there
    Shay -Will be there
    Colm Larkin - injured
    Gav - Will be there
    Sav - Will be there
    Larry - Won't be there
    Dave -
    Darragh - Will be there
    Kenny -Will be there

    Larry - Will be there
    Lepo -sick


    Joe - will be there
    Jules – will be there
    Art - Will be there
    Fran -Will be there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭BlackWizard


    I can't make it tonight. Had an unfortunate incident with my car. I wasn't in the car during the crash. But I strained my back doing something f'n stupid with the damaged boot lid. Car is fine though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Gileadi


    Once the car is alright! thats the important thing here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    So should be 15 then incl. Carl & Dan and excl. Mr Crashy Car.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Carlos -


    Darran - injured
    Ed - Injured (but will be there, slowly getting better)
    Martin - Will be there.
    Michael - Will be there.
    Geoff - Will be there
    Simon - Will be there
    Cathal -Will be there

    Shay -Work
    Colm Larkin - injured
    Darragh - Injured
    Lepo -sick
    Dan - Will be there
    Gav - Will be there
    Larry - Will be there
    Dave - Will be there
    Kenny -Will be there


    Sav - Will be there
    Joe - will be there
    Jules – will be there
    Art - Will be there
    Fran -Will be there

    A.N Other Gav's Friend coming also.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    I can't make it tonight. Had an unfortunate incident with my car. I wasn't in the car during the crash. But I strained my back doing something f'n stupid with the damaged boot lid. Car is fine though.

    see, u should never describe an incident like this and then stop short of saying what you did. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Clearly it involved a chick with an adam's apple or some sort of masturbation issue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Clearly it involved a chick with an adam's apple or some sort of masturbation issue


    :D:D:D:D:p:p:p

    see what i mean darragh?!! im sure others thought that too.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    That for me tonight was the worst performance I've seen since I joined the team. Where do I start with what was wrong? Ok, a few players had off days which can't be helped but there was no grit, no talking and we barely had a shot on goal. There's no one bar myself talking at the back. No communication. None. If I step up to mark a player I knew everytime that no one was gonna tell me there was someone behind me or whatever. This crops up every week. Players either not listening or daydreaming at the back. I know not everything I say is ****ing spot on and I never shut up sometimes but I've played the game at a decent standard and I do sometimes know what I'm talking about. But other than Geoff, no one listens back there. And that for me meant that we never had things under control in defence, which in turn made things difficult for us to get anywhere in the game. Now bring on the lack of discussion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    i agree about the lack of communication martin, but there is more to it than that.pure and simple, this teams functions alot better when we tear into teams and fight hard for the ball. watching from the sidelines tonight, and last week, we were beaten to most second balls and also, the amount of times we were brushed off the ball was shocking. we need to get back to basics and not be afraid to hit people, but smartly. starting next week, we need to rise out game again.


    i know i have only played 10 or 15 minutes out of the last 3 games and i feel like im letting the team down, but we need to put in one hell of a performance next week to lift this again. im hell-bent on playing next week, im going to work hard this week to get me groin sorted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    If you're not fit and you play you'd be ;etting the team down. Not the other way round Ed. Just concentrate on being fit for next season


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Now bring on the lack of discussion
    i agree about the lack of communication martin
    I think he's referring to the fact nobody is arsed discussing these things apart from the usual suspects every week.

    Kinda ironic yizzer both talking about 2 different things yet they're almost related....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭kaizersoze1980


    What the hell has happened the last 2 weeks. I've been unable to attend due to work commitments but will be there next week on. Let's turn this f*7king thing around and start getting stuck into teams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    While I agree the getting stuck in thing has been lacking lads, it's not as simple as that. Some players on the pitch either have no clue whatsoever what they're meant to be doing (relate this to lack of communication) or cannot play in the position they're being asked to. Getting stuck in only gets you so far. We had the ball plenty of times tonight yet did nothing with it.

    What's lacking imo in a post match discussion of what the **** went wrong or right in a game. The lads who discuss things on here are generally agreeing with each other about whats going wrong. There's no actuall progress being made. It's frustrating tbh.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭kaizersoze1980


    mate i'd say 75% or more of team read the stuff but just don't post. This has to change


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    While I agree the getting stuck in thing has been lacking lads, it's not as simple as that. Some players on the pitch either have no clue whatsoever what they're meant to be doing (relate this to lack of communication) or cannot play in the position they're being asked to. Getting stuck in only gets you so far. We had the ball plenty of times tonight yet did nothing with it.

    What's lacking imo in a post match discussion of what the **** went wrong or right in a game. The lads who discuss things on here are generally agreeing with each other about whats going wrong. There's no actuall progress being made. It's frustrating tbh.


    we made massive progress up to 2 weeks ago when we had won 5 out of 5, scoring goals for fun and keeping 3 clean sheets in a row. what has changed? our game is lacking bite. simple as that. this is astro lads ffs, its very easy to win games, we have alot of good players, bu if you prance around on the pitch, then teams will beat us. fred west ham are a better team than us, yet we hammered them off the park, why so, cos we said before the game that we were going to get stuck in and beat them. the passing and goals came with that.

    martin, sitting here talking about it on a forum is not the place to do it, its on the field between the white lines. we talk about it too much already besides just getting in with the game. kick somebody next week (opposition preferibly), you will feel alot better. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭kaizersoze1980


    kick somebody next week (opposition preferibly), you will feel alot better. :D



    I wholeheartedly agree with Ed's statement :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭LoBo


    so what was the scoreline lads?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Lost 1-0. Credit to our opposition, deserved the win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    LoBo wrote: »
    so what was the scoreline lads?

    Lost 1-0 with the goal coming with about 7 or 8 minutes left.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    lads, i just want to add a few things.First off, all this negativity about defending. true our defence was all over the place at times for the last 2 games, but, where is the first place that suffers when we are missing players? defence. we seemed to have a settled 6-8 players for the 6 attacking positions, but our back 4 is always changing, i dont think we have had the same back 4 for 2 games this year. simon, darran, cathal, martin, dan have all played at right full, lepo, mikie, martin, darran, geoff have all played at left full. we need to have a consistent back 4 in our team. i know players are missing, but i think the back 4 is the most important part of the team, but its the one that gets messed around the most. generally, when our back 4 plays well, we win, its simple really. and what i ahve found, is that alot of our goals, have come from individual mistakes. i would say 10 of the 20 goals have been individual errors, this can be cut out with consistency and building an understading.

    there was a few comments passed both at the game and on here about our defence. we are the 4th best defensive team in the league, which ties in with our league position. in fact, fred west have only 3 goals less and ss 4. we have the second highest amount of clean sheets.

    we have forgot the fact that we have not scored in the last 2 games. if you told me before both games that we would only conceded one in each,then i would have expected to win each by 3 or 4-1 so we should be beating these teams by that scoreline.


    remember lads,we are the only team to beat fred west ham and they are perhaps going to win the league. we played them off the park that night, what has happend in the last 3 weeks? we need to stop looking for excuses blaming this and blaming that and moaning and fighting with the opposition. lets go out next week, get stuck into ss rovers and do what we did to fred west ham. i hope to be playing the next night and i guarantee ye, ill be heard on that pitch cos we are away to quite all over it:p

    last thing, i have said this time and time again, we are giving away silly frees and getting involved in petty arguments. i can think of 3 incidents the last night where 3 of us got involved and we ended up looking like clowns. if we are going to give away frees, make them earn them, leave nothing for us to complain about, leave the opposition get wound up, not us. our motto should be, take the ball and the man!

    thats all we are missing lately, is a bit of drive, some of us are getting knocked off the ball too easily.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Fair points Ed but unless lads are willing to listen and/or chime in the you're just blowing hot air and wasting your time. FWIW, I agree with this:
    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Getting stuck in only gets you so far.

    Look at all the match threads, it's the same 4 or 5 people doing the ranting all the time, I dunno what happens to the other 15 or so in between games but suffice to say it's not gonna sort itself out.

    I'm off on hols so missing next 2 games and only 1 game left after that (Dunbar), here's hoping there's a better attitude nxt week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    no, as far as we are concerned, getting stuck in make the world of the difference. face it, we are better than everybody below us, we clearly are, yet, we have dropped 8 points in 3 games. why? cos the attitue and drive is not there. we have bags of skill and some excellent players, but when teams with lesser ability play us, we cant handle it, cos they work harder than us. im convinced, that our best 11 is as good as the 3 teams above us, when we are all playing to our ability.

    we are not playing to our abilit the last 3 weeks, cos we are expecting others to make it happen for us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    I think most of our problems the last 3 weeks have stemmed from the back 4. Too many individual errors. Full backs not attacking at all. No communication, etc. Depending on who's playing at the back, it can certainly be considered the weakest area of the team. There's a number of reasons for that. The main one being what Ed talked about, a lack of a understanding because of the amount of different players playing in there. Granted, injury has really dictated who can play there most weeks so it's not particularly anyone's fault. But for next season we should be looking to get in some players so that when we do have injuries back there, there's more depth and understanding


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    It's very hard to pick a settled back four, when there are injuries and players not being there, for whatever reason.

    If I can't pick a settled team, there's nothing can be done.

    I don't have a gun, or healing hands. I can't force people to arrive, or make them not injured.

    I don't know how many times I asked on Tuesday for

    1. At least names to be called at the back. Once or twice was all I heard. If I can't hear it on the sideline, it didn't happen. Whispered names mean nothing.

    2. The defence to push up. Kept on falling back, every time. We lost the midfield because of it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    DesF wrote: »
    I don't have a gun, or healing hands..

    hmm, maybe theres an idea, anything left in the kitty??:D

    look, we aint become a bad team over the space of 3 weeks. :D we have the chance to prove this next week against a team that can win the league. lets just go out and beat them and do our talking where it matters, on the pitch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    I dunno how many times I called for the defence to push up in the first half. I'd say atleast a dozen times. And it never happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    hmm, maybe theres an idea, anything left in the kitty??:D

    look, we aint become a bad team over the space of 3 weeks. :D we have the chance to prove this next week against a team that can win the league. lets just go out and beat them and do our talking where it matters, on the pitch.

    Tbh Ed, i think we've reached our level with the current players we have. The run of victories and what have you was great. But we've been brought back down to earth the last few weeks. Attacking wise we have some brilliant players. there's no doubting that. But elsewhere we need vast improvement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    I dunno how many times I called for the defence to push up in the first half. I'd say atleast a dozen times. And it never happened.

    martin, just lay the blame game ok???:mad: :):) the game is over and done with, im only talking about the importance of have a settled defence and to b honest, i think we all see that. and that fact that we are blaming the defence, looking for excuses. remember martin, YOU are part of that defence too.

    now lets move on and start getting tuned in for next week cos unless we put up a good performance, we are going backwards and will ruin our 6 games unbeaten.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    remember martin, YOU are part of that defence too.

    Cheers for pointing that out to me Ed. I'd only been talking about everyone else. Clearly I'm above criticism myself :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    look, we aint become a bad team over the space of 3 weeks. :D we have the chance to prove this next week against a team that can win the league.
    Prove what exactly? That we're probably the most inconsistent team in the division? Who really cares if we trash them 10-0? We've lost against Trinity, Coffin Dodgers and IFG amongst others. It's a classic case of when we're losing we underrate ourselves due to lack of self belief and when we're winning we overrate ourselves due to inflated egos. That's why we are where we are.
    do our talking where it matters, on the pitch.
    I wish it was that simple but unless you have 11 people on the same page then you're pretty much in a self-defeating circle. Yes, I believe we beat ourselves most of the time. I definitely think we have found our level with this side and its no use the defence blaming the strikers who are blaming the midfield who are blaming the manager. A bit of fecking responsibility wouldn't go astray.

    The simple fact is that like I said to someone after the game, some of our better players didn't show up, I have absolutely no idea why that is but compared to recent games some of us were totally anonymous figures. I don't think singling out individuals for criticism will help anything.

    I'll say one thing, that Trinity side were very physical, I got fouled and pushed more times in that game than any other this season, but I'm a big boy and can take the rough with the smooth. So "getting stuck in" is simply about standing your own ground. I also noticed it was a dirtier affair than we've been used to, hence the petty squabbles and sending off etc. Some players love the handbags, others don't like the physical side of the game, IMHO we were a bad mix of the two. If a player starts kicking me or starts with the cynical off the ball **** you can be sure he'll be getting an extra hard kick in the nads next time a 50/50 comes around. Some of our own players shy away from the confrontation and, in no uncertain terms, wuss out. You actually increase the risk of injuring yourself by going half hearted into challenges. They simply shoved us off the ball and controlled the game with a few decent passages of play.

    So getting stuck in is only the start of it, that's to stop you getting psyched out of the game, once you have the ball you still have to have a clue what you're at. 50 yard cross field Beckham pass are a total waste of time unless you're one of the rare players who can pick a pass from miles away.

    Total crap the last few games, how anyone can rationalise we're any better than our position suggests really needs some reality pills. We've lost 6 from 15.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭emc2


    lads, I agree with most of the stuff said above. We didn't play up to the level that we are capable of. As bad as it sounds the league table never lies and the fact that we are currently in 4th is probably about right. The way it stands we can still finish as low as 6th I think that this would be a poor reflection on our season but we need to work together to make sure this doesn't happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Who was sent of Sav? Des took me off if that's what you're talking about


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Who was sent of Sav? Des took me off if that's what you're talking about
    No yer man off Trinity got sin binned just before half time IIRC
    Nearly sure he did anyway, twas around the time of those handbags and gladrags ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭bugs90


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Who was sent of Sav? Des took me off if that's what you're talking about

    The guy you were fronting up to went for someone else straight after you came off and he got a card.

    Watching a lot of Tuesdays match from the side, the most obvious thing I saw was that the vast majority of the game was played in our half - whichever team had the ball. When they had it, this meant they had players quite far up the field to help support the attack and when we had it we managed about 3 passes before trying for the strikers from around the half way line (this has been the same in the last few games). This meant it would have needed something pretty special from Sav or Jules to grab a goal.

    I know we think we're great when we win a few but it does build confidence and when the confidence is there everyone plays better and is supportive of attacks, more likely to push up & a bit stronger going into challanges!


    We all know the problems: communication, inconsistant lineups, confidence(?), communication etc...


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