Real IRA claims that 'The War Is Back On'

Firetrap

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere on boards. Mods, feel free to close this or move it if need be.

From today's Sunday Tribune

Real IRA: 'The war is back on'

THE Real IRA says it is preparing to launch a new offensive after a major three-year internal reorganisation.

The paramilitary organisation said police officers in the north would be primary targets in its campaign.

"With more attacks on the RUC/PSNI we believe we can reach the stage where British soldiers are brought back onto the streets to bolster the cops.

"This will shatter the facade that the British presence has gone and normality reigns.

People will once again be made visibly aware that we remain occupied, " the dissidents said.

In its first interview in five years, two members of the Real IRA army council met the Sunday Tribune at a location near the border. The newspaper was also given photographs and a DVD of six heavily-armed Real IRA members on a training exercise near a British security watchtower along the border.

The Real IRA said that, after substantial restructuring, which saw some members in Belfast and elsewhere dismissed and units that "weren't up to scratch" disbanded, it now had "a new confidence".

The attempted murder of two police officers in Derry and Dungannon in November showed "the IRA believed it could kill a cop and take whatever the state threw at it". The Real IRA hasn't bombed Britain in six years. When asked if this was to change, the army council representative said: "We will attack Britain where and when we see fit. The law of averages suggests the longer a target hasn't been hit, then the more likely it is to be attacked."

The paramilitary group warned of firebomb attacks on shops and businesses in the north. Although it views members of the Stormont executive, including Martin McGuinness, as "British ministers" and hence "legitimate targets", it is unlikely to attack them.

"Targets aren't always chosen on legitimacy but on whether hitting them would be politically expedient or counter-productive and on the likely effect on public support, " the Real IRA leader said. But this decision would be "kept under review".

In a controversial claim, the Real IRA alleged it had "minimal involvement" in the Omagh bomb: "Our codeword was used . . . nothing more. To have stated this at the time would have been lost in an understandable wave of emotion. That is the only detail on Omagh we're prepared to give at the moment."

Previously, it had been claimed in some quarters that while the Real IRA made the bomb, Continuity IRA members planted it. However, the Real IRA is now alleging it didn't even make the bomb. Coming 10 years after the atrocity in which 29 people were killed, and without any detailed information to support its claim, the Real IRA's statement will be treated with scepticism.

The Real IRA denied reports it wanted to unite with Continuity IRA or INLA. It would work with both "on issues where there is common ground", but there would be no joint operations. "We are not seeking to amalgamate three armies into a 'super republican group', " the army council member said. He denounced Sinn Fein and Provisional IRA leaders for urging people to pass information about Real IRA attacks to the PSNI. The Real IRA said it wasn't engaged in any direct or indirect talks with the British or Irish governments.

layke

Neither breakingnews or rte.ie have it up on their site. What is the source you are getting this from?

Firetrap

I quoted the source at the start. It's from today's Sunday Tribune Link

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

'oohh look at us, we're still relevant'

bastards.

GuanYin

On who's behalf are these guys fighting at this stage?

AckwelFoley

Would a cat pic depicting a message to these retards along the lines of..

"SHUT THE F*** UP AND DIE" be appropriate in the politics forum?

I doubt it, but its what im saying.

peasant

You have to love the justification behind it:

"Emm ..well ...basically "the Brits" have all but gone out of NI, so we are going to bomb the shyte out of it so that they have to come back and we can prove to you once more that this is in fact an occupied territory"

yeah ...right ...

denashpot

the ira are idiots. if they're not blowing up innocent people they're fighting with each other and beating teenagers to death!

mukki

hmmmm, this will be interesting.....


I presume the yanks now owe the brits a big favour when it comes to fighting terrorism





:eek:

Firetrap

I hope they're just a shower of mouths trying to make themselves sound important. It would be a real sickener if they were to spark things off again. You can think what you want about the situation in the north but anything is better than having to get soldiers back on the streets, shootings, bombings etc. Who the hell wants to go back to that?

meathstevie

Good friend of mine lives in Donegal and involved in Sinn Fein. His comment about the attempted murder of the PSNI officer dropping his kids of at school : "There was bloody uproar. People all over the place I was talking to were angry. What the f*ck do they think they're up to ?"

Folks, face it : the overwhelming majority of people all over Ireland have given their solid support to The Good Friday Agreement. The PSNI is definitly not the Orange militia the RUC used to be and future constitutional matters regarding sovereignty have been designated to be dealt with by referendum North and South. The local powersharing cabinet is up and running and all in all doing a good job. Equality and human rights issues are being dealt with in a very serious way. All this to the satisfaction of a vast majority of people North as well as South !

SO WHERE THE HELL DOES THE REAL IRA THINK THEY GET THEIR MANDATE FROM ?????

It's not like it's 1969 again and Nationalist communities are under attack from Loyalists and the RUC militia.

Never mind that, the warped logic behind the reason for trying to step up the attacks on PSNI and maybe commercial premises would make Osama go green with envy. Straight out of the looney bin ****e.

Looks like this particular sort of "patriot" needs to stir a bit of trouble to divert police and customs efforts away from ciggie and diesel smuggling and in the meantime under the guise of "revolutionary tax" a bit of racketeering will provide the bread and butter.

Bob in Belfast

There's still alot of British soilders around my way.

I don't see all that much of a difference between now and five years ago.
But the 'powers' that be, say there is.

Still i don't agree with all the fire bombing that's going on,though i 'm not gonna condemn them.

gandalf

All these guys no matter what label they give themselves, Real IRA, Continunity IRA, pIRA, UVF, UDA, INLA now they are all at the end of the day gangsters. Small little people pretending to be men.

Manic Moran

Idiots. Just when everyone's pretty much settled down and gotten back to worrying about nothing more than what pint to order at the pub, they want to start that crap up again.

NTM

Moriarty

Bob in Belfast wrote: »

There's still alot of British soilders around my way.

I don't see all that much of a difference between now and five years ago.
But the 'powers' that be, say there is.

There are 5,000 in the entirety of the north at the moment when resident battalions are not deployed elsewhere - significantly less when they are. Considering the high tempo the uk military is operating under at the moment I think it's fair to say that it'll be unusual for there to be anywhere near that many in the north for any period of time over the next few years.

There were 27,000 deployed in 1972 for perspective..

Bob in Belfast

I'm well aware of the statistics.

Jack Sheehan

Firetrap wrote: »

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere on boards. Mods, feel free to close this or move it if need be.

From today's Sunday Tribune

Real IRA: 'The war is back on'


The paramilitary organisation said police officers in the north would be primary targets in its campaign.

"With more attacks on the RUC/PSNI we believe we can reach the stage where British soldiers are brought back onto the streets to bolster the cops.

"This will shatter the facade that the British presence has gone and normality reigns.

People will once again be made visibly aware that we remain occupied, " the dissidents said.

I.

So this basically boils down to 'were going to stir **** in order to provoke a response from people who don't want to be there at all.'

God this is like saying were going to stick our hand in a fire in order to prove that its possible to be burned.

gandalf

Bob in Belfast wrote: »

There's still alot of British soilders around my way.

I don't see all that much of a difference between now and five years ago.
But the 'powers' that be, say there is.

Still i don't agree with all the fire bombing that's going on,though i 'm not gonna condemn them.

So will you condemn them if they start murdering people then Bob?

SeanW

I saw this in one of the Sunday papers too.

>_< what a bunch of ****wits. There's no more mistreatment of the Northern Nationalist community, the troubles are over and everyones happy not only that the killings have stopped but that NI is starting to get an economy together and start making progress - with a government of Martin McGuiness and Ian Paisely sharing power no less.

I hope the PSNI can handle these dipsticks.

Overheal

Just when I was begining to think it might be safe to visit Belfast...

As for USA owing Britain: forgive me for my youth, but didn't Bill Clinton expend a lot of energy in trying to resolve the Northern Ireland situation?

If they call themselves an army, why resort to acts of petty guerilla terrorism?

Dave!

That's great... just what NI needs... :rolleyes:

oscarBravo

Bob in Belfast wrote: »

Still i don't agree with all the fire bombing that's going on,though i 'm not gonna condemn them.

Some scumbag firebombs a shop in my town, I'm going to condemn them. Some jumped-up bully who thinks he's a big man because he's got a gun puts innocent lives at risk, I'm going to condemn them. Someone who has to resort to violence because their ideas are so friggin' insane that they can't get an electoral mandate deserves nothing whatsoever but condemnation from right-thinking people.

Sadly, there seem to be enough of the other kind of people around to allow these scumbags to stay at large.

Bob in Belfast wrote: »

I'm well aware of the statistics.

Since when did facts change anything?

Zombrex

Firetrap wrote: »

"With more attacks on the RUC/PSNI we believe we can reach the stage where British soldiers are brought back onto the streets to bolster the cops.

"This will shatter the facade that the British presence has gone and normality reigns.

LOL ..

So to shatter the "facade" that normality reigns they are going to start blowing up the police ... brilliant!! Oh the irony, you couldn't make that up.

what a bunch of morons :rolleyes:

Mr.Micro

The real IRA must be getting bored living in the real world to come out with this crap. Everybody has moved on, thankfully. They should go out to Afghanistan and join the Taliban or Al-Qaeda if they want to kill innocent people. Ireland does not need this crap not now or ever again.

purple'n'gold

I think its time for the special branch, and military intelligence to get serious and root these lunatics out for once and for all.

passive

I think as part of our counteroffensive to these f*cktards we should kick all the chuckies off boards .... plz? passing the majority of one's time in generic anti-brit thread #142938472 in the history & heritage forum saying "The IRA never killed any innocent civilians, and if they did it was justified." and "800 years of oppression" (without tongue in cheek) should be damned sufficient grounds for dismissal from our internets...

LordSutch

peasant wrote: »

You have to love the justification behind it:

"Emm ..well ...basically "the Brits" have all but gone out of NI, so we are going to bomb the shyte out of it so that they have to come back and we can prove to you once more that this is in fact an occupied territory"

yeah ...right ...

Ah yes but you see, the Brits havent gone away you know & they remain in the form of one million Unionists & the North's current position within the United Kingdom.

Sadly for all concerned, the 'Real IRA' do not recognise that we all voted in the GFA to allow the people of this island to determine their own future (Irish & British alike) the problem being that the 'Real IRA' do not recognise that the majority of people living in the North are indeed British & wish to remain so, thankfully those narrow minded IRA trouble makers are in a tiny minority.

I doubt very much if they have the capacity or the ability to launch a Bobbing campaign, specially after 9/11, which also spelt the 'death knell' for the Provisional IRAs 35 year campaign.

Terrorism will no longer be tolerated on this island 'Hopefully' . . .

egan007

It's a plain message from the Irish People to any RA Upstart.
F**k off you don't represent my interests you f*c*ing tools.

Seriously, It does sounds like the peoples front of judea had a meeting.

I condem them, Fukem.

BehindTheScenes

purplengold wrote: »

I think its time for the special branch, and military intelligence to get serious and root these lunatics out for once and for all.

That's a ridiculous comment to make as it is the same extreme being taken by the R.I.R.A.

passive wrote: »

I think as part of our counteroffensive to these f*cktards we should kick all the chuckies off boards .... plz? passing the majority of one's time in generic anti-brit thread #142938472 in the history & heritage forum saying "The IRA never killed any innocent civilians, and if they did it was justified." and "800 years of oppression" (without tongue in cheek) should be damned sufficient grounds for dismissal from our internets...

This is a comment that would have went down well in N.I. about thrity years ago. I think you might have been born just a little to late. The great freedom that the internet and boards like this provide is that we all have the right to air our views. You may agree or disagree with them but you may not censor them. I will fight that position till my dying days.

Jimbo

How do the Real IRA not see that far more has been achieved in the last few years of peace for the Republican cause than in all the decades before.

Putting aside their disturbing and sickening lack in value of human life , they are showing themselves as utterly ignorant and stupid in their understanding of politics of the North. They will not achieve anything but cause huge suffering to both Unionists and Nationalists.
Anyone that suppports this kind of behaviour show be locked up in Guatanamo and tortured like the terrorists they are

brianthebard

I thought the real IRA gave up and this bullsh!t years ago, before the provos? Its probably people who aren't even connected to the real IRA but who have taken on the name. The last group of wackos basically.

Fratton Fred

I remember a British Amry sargeant giving one of the Kennedys (He was trying to win Irish votes in the US by touring NI) a bit of advice that got welcomed by all parts of the community, I think the advice would apply to these guys as well.

The advice was "No-one wants you here, why don't you **** off".:)

These guys were probably bullied at school or have small penises, unless of course they are serious in which case they could be very dangeroues indeed.:mad:

Riddle101

f**KING S**T stourers. Just when i thought everything was going grand up north, the Real IRA come out with this bulls**t. We don't need another War in the north

Overheal

BehindTheScenes wrote: »

This is a comment that would have went down well in N.I. about thrity years ago. I think you might have been born just a little to late. The great freedom that the internet and boards like this provide is that we all have the right to air our views. You may agree or disagree with them but you may not censor them. I will fight that position till my dying days.

As long as you have reason: fire away too much political correctness might be a bad thing anyway.

foxshooter243

The irish have a short memory..............

egan007

foxshooter243 wrote: »

The irish have a short memory..............

By your statement, which sounds like it's from page one of the 'how to generalise' phrasebook, I can only assume that you have a serious problem with the Vikings? Or have they passed the required minimum memory period?

PHB

The IRA is getting back to its roots. For a while in the North it was a semi-legimate body acting with a huge public support behind it in the North. But in reality, it's just a bunch of people who didn't want to give up violence after the Civil War, and the people involved now still don't.

Nonetheless, expect significant much more effective crackdowns on the Real IRA, simply because without public support, they'll find it a lot more difficult to work.

duggie-89

SeanW wrote: »

I saw this in one of the Sunday papers too.

>_< what a bunch of ****wits. There's no more mistreatment of the Northern Nationalist community, the troubles are over and everyones happy not only that the killings have stopped but that NI is starting to get an economy together and start making progress - with a government of Martin McGuiness and Ian Paisely sharing power no less.

I hope the PSNI can handle these dipsticks.

i am not a real supporter at all but lets look at the facts the nationalist community is getting mistreated because the last time i checked the majority of the nationalsit community that voted voted in favour of sinn fein a republican party and when ever the police force is getting its officers to lie to "beef up" their statements to put sean horey to jail!!!

also the great failures of the psni and ruc to actually recover the evidence shows they had no care at all.

look at MI5 increasing role in the north and you honestly support the psni in handling these pricks?? from the sound of it your would support internment.

i mean sean hoery was on remand for 3 full years!!!!

thats longer than alot of hoods get this weather!!!!

i have no confidence in the northern police at the moment.

but i think the rira are totaly misguided, they honestly expect to get popular support for an armed campaign by getting the brits back on the streets but if they did they would have no moral high ground because people will look to them for causeing it.

but i must also question the source of the article i find it hard to believe that if the rira were to stage some kind of fightback they would put it all over the papers first lol

duggie-89

passive wrote: »

I think as part of our counteroffensive to these f*cktards we should kick all the chuckies off boards .... plz? passing the majority of one's time in generic anti-brit thread #142938472 in the history & heritage forum saying "The IRA never killed any innocent civilians, and if they did it was justified." and "800 years of oppression" (without tongue in cheek) should be damned sufficient grounds for dismissal from our internets...

i think u shud get the F*** of the fourm then u snide sh.it

so are you saying that 800 years of foreign oppression doesn't justfy a war???

does the ends justfy the means in your opinion???

and passive before you start any dismissal maybe you should think you created the 26 counties??? the ira did so dont throw rocks in a green house!!!

djpbarry

duggie-89 wrote: »

so are you saying that 800 years of foreign oppression doesn't justfy a war???

Getting mighty tired of this 800 years stuff - it was at most 300 years.

duggie-89 wrote: »

does the ends justfy the means in your opinion???

The ends rarely justifies the means.

duggie-89 wrote: »

and passive before you start any dismissal maybe you should think you created the 26 counties???

The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1922.

User45701

egan007 wrote: »

By your statement, which sounds like it's from page one of the 'how to generalise' phrasebook, I can only assume that you have a serious problem with the Vikings? Or have they passed the required minimum memory period?

Interesting...

Well i still hold grudges against religion for the deaths its caused which streach back over a extremly long time period.

The vikings i have never held anything against them... or the germans but i dont think england has done enough to make up for all the pain/death it has caused throught its history.

oscarBravo

duggie-89 wrote: »

i think u shud get the F*** of the fourm then u snide sh.it

so are you saying that 800 years of foreign oppression doesn't justfy a war???

does the ends justfy the means in your opinion???

and passive before you start any dismissal maybe you should think you created the 26 counties??? the ira did so dont throw rocks in a green house!!!

One more outburst like that will earn you a minimum of a month's ban from here. Read the charter carefully before you post again.

passive

djpbarry wrote: »

Getting mighty tired of this 800 years stuff - it was at most 300 years.
The ends rarely justifies the means.
The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1922.

Well thanks a lot, djpbarry... Now I have no reply to give! :P

duggie-89
i think u shud get the F*** of the fourm then u snide sh.it

so are you saying that 800 years of foreign oppression doesn't justify a war.

(your "war" here being "blowing up children and disrupting attempts to resolve the complex present-day situation peacefully.")

No, I'm just saying that the 800 years figure is a retarded load of BS and that people whose view of history is so distorted and infantile (having been learned from Wolfe Tones songs) that they actually believe in such a ridiculous number are nothing but trolls and poisonous vermin who we shouldn't have to listen to. The tireless anti-Brit sentiment is straightforward racism, which we happily ban and, on the threads I was referencing, anyone who disagrees is called a "closet unionist" and other such f*cking ****, which is trolling, which we also happily ban. So no, for the good of our sanity and the "not 'Ra supporting" majority, I think you guys should be on a different forum... ideally posting from a different country... without a keyboard...

does the ends justfy the means in your opinion???

No, it doesn't. That's the whole point.

also, who's Sean Horey? google gave me nothing, but he was a pretty integral part of your argument about the evil PSNI.

User45701
or the germans but i dont think england has done enough to make up for all the pain/death it has caused throught its history.

Oh right... No, the holocaust doesn't matter... That didn't happen to my great grandad! The only evils in the world are the ones that directly affect me! (or..well... don't. But they would have if I'd been born a few generations ago! so England should pay for its crimes against humanity in empirical times!)

(edit: hmm... Wasn't this thread in AH originally? It was when I subscribed, I thought... Either way.. em... will tone it down in future inputs.. apologies to mods!)

It wasn't me!

djpbarry wrote: »

The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1922.

Government of Ireland Act 1920 really, as it meant the North would not be subject to the conditions established for the remainder of the country during the treaty discussions in London.

djpbarry

User45701 wrote: »

...i dont think england has done enough to make up for all the pain/death it has caused throught its history.

How much of that pain/death was caused by the present inhabitants of England?

Dundalk Daily

I dont support these guys in their so called war but I do think that as long as Britain has a claim on part of our country there will always be some form of armed resistance or whatever you want to call it. What sickens me if Sinn Fein people trying to wash their hands of militant republicanism as if they didnt get up to anything and because all of a sudden they dont think this is the way forward they condemn others.

That said the rira "war" will not achieve anything, its a kind of token resistance. Lets not forget that we as a nation still celebrate/commemorate militant republicanism of 1798, 1916 etc

LordSutch

Well said Passive about that moronic 800 year crap which is trotted-out by numbskulls who know no better ~ 300 years is nearer the mark & even then we did pretty well within the Union when you check out our History in 'reality', from Dublin being the second City of Union & Empire to including the very Grand buildings all over the country, to the Tram system (created Pre-1922), to the Dublin Metro that was planned (Pre-1922), to our Theatres, Canals, Piers & Cathedrals ....... not bad for being under such 'awful oppression' and then in 1916 & 1922 we got rid of the awful oppressors from the island next door & we promptly went into a very steep decline for the best part of 80 years! . . . until we hooked-up with our New partner (Europe) which has carried on from where our previous oppressor/partner left off ~ Funding/building New roads, improving the infrastructure, and even planning a Metro system for Dublin! now where did I hear that before .

Our 300 year rule from London wasnt "all" bad when you really think about it.

Dundalk Daily

Great post Arthur. But in 1922 we partially got rid of the oppressor.

Its gas but its usually the ones who shout loudest about "Brits out" are the very ones that speak their language, read their newspapers, watch their tv shows and shout for their football teams. Where is the logic ???

egan007

User45701 wrote: »

Interesting...

Well i still hold grudges against religion for the deaths its caused which streach back over a extremly long time period.

The vikings i have never held anything against them... or the germans but i dont think england has done enough to make up for all the pain/death it has caused throught its history.

Religion is not a magical force that stops people living, Blaming religion is like blaming a smell and not the person for a bad fart. People kill people for many reasons. The British MAINLY (before I get a barrage) Killed for possession of Natural resources.

P.s. The Vikings raped and killed Irish women and Children.....The Germans killed 12 million people....

FruitLover

duggie-89 wrote: »

so are you saying that 800 years of foreign oppression doesn't justfy a war???

I don't understand how you expect to be taken seriously when you trot out this knackered old horse, it's become a joke at this stage. There's barely anyone left alive from the time that Ireland was entirely under British rule, so this is irrelevant.

Justify the Omagh bombing for me.

LordSutch

Dundalk Daily wrote: »

Great post Arthur. But in 1922 we partially got rid of the oppressor.

Partial oppression? ~ But is it not the case that this island has been left to decide its own destination & future? and if the North wishes to remain British & within the Union then we must accept that (what oppressors)?

I dont accept that we partially got rid of our 'so called' oppressors, because there are none ~ unless of course you mean 'Unionists'?