More Reports About Guns N Roses Chinese Democracy

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UK's Classic Rock recently tracked down Beta Lebeis, personal manager of Axl Rose, who confirmed to the magazine that GUNS N' ROSES' "Chinese Democracy" album "was finished before Christmas."

She added: "Everybody knows that."

Lebeis said Axl is currently "in negotiations" with unspecified parties to arrange to album's on-sale date.

However, Classic Rock believes that "Chinese Democracy" may not be "released" in the traditional sense — at least not initially.

The magazine suspects that GN'R may follow the RADIOHEAD route of pay-as-you-like downloads. But the publications stresses that this has not been confirmed.

Another source close to the GN'R camp also suggested that "Chinese Democracy" may gain a conventional release in late summer, with a view to it becoming "a big Christmas album."

JC 2K3

The record label spend over $13m financing Chinese Democracy and then Axl goes and releases it for free?

Not gonna happen.

I'm not gonna get excited about any of this new GNR news. I believed the hype back in 2006 and was badly let down. I don't doubt that it will eventually come out and that it will be better than most expect it to be though.

toffo

Starting to think all this we'll see it this year, it just an attempt to remind people GNR still exist. Wouldn't be supprised if we see another VR, album before this is released.

Dragan

*yawns* Getting tired of old Mr Rose to be honest.

Shut up, put the ****ing album out.

Your not gonan change the face of music.

hyn-zie

"Chinese Democracy" is dead to me, to keep anyone waiting 13 years on a cd is insane, just goes to show you axl is a tempremental f!ck who does things in his own time and doesn't care about anything else but him self!

F*?k axl, and f*?k Chinese Democracy

JC 2K3

Someone's personality should really have an impact on your liking of their music....

Motley Crue

I seen this band twice in 2006, had tickets to see them a third time, but after the performance they gave at Wembley Arena the first night I actually did the unthinkable and sold the ticket to a scalper outside the venue on the 2nd night.

It wasnt that the performance itself was bad, far from it, but it was the fact that there was a 120minute wait between BFMV and Guns N Roses and the following night public transport was pretty much shutting down early in London so there would have been no way of getting home. I barely made it home the first night and I left the gig an hour early.

After that I said that if Axl cant make the allowance that some of his fans will physically be unable to get home if he starts a concert past midnight then I cant respect him enough not to sell the ticket - for face value - and take myself back to the safety of my lodging.

Rockee

Another 'Chinese Democracy' story.

Jaysus

Oeneus

Here's another rumour. Chinese Democracy has been binned and he's almost finished a new album due out within the next 13 years. This rumour was started by me, just now, to stir some sh*t.

Den_M

I just preordered this and Duke Nukem Forever..;)

Executive Steve

at this rate there's going to be democracy in china before there's chinese democracy

fortuneg

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

at this rate there's going to be democracy in china before there's chinese democracy

Oh no you di'in'!

Jrad

fortuneg wrote: »

Oh no you di'in'!

Nice! Nicely timed, nicely phrased! To me this is one of those things that you see and say im gonna rob that and use it around other people and pretend its my own.
Thank you sir.

kona

load of ****, this album is going to flop. and axl is a moron, im going to limewire it, just to spite axl, i hope everybody does the same:D
actually on second thought, i reckon if axl gets the bandwgon going, youll see every sham wearing a GnR top.......shudders

Blackhorse Slim

kona wrote: »

load of ****, this album is going to flop. and axl is a moron, im going to limewire it, just to spite axl, i hope everybody does the same:D
actually on second thought, i reckon if axl gets the bandwgon going, youll see every sham wearing a GnR top.......shudders

The sad thing is that even after all this time, Appetite for Destruction is such a great album. Pity they never lived up to that potential.

kona

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

The sad thing is that even after all this time, Appetite for Destruction is such a great album. Pity they never lived up to that potential.

ive said it before, the band broke at the right time, their next album would have flopped big time!!
i mean look at use your illusion, they had 1 album of decent songs off the two. got greedy and released two albums, democracy is the same, pure money generator.
There were plenty of better bands than GnR tbh!!!
GnR got the hype.
apparantly they were all show and no go

Mental Mickey

1408 wrote: »

UK's Classic Rock recently tracked down Beta Lebeis, personal manager of Axl Rose, who confirmed to the magazine that GUNS N' ROSES' "Chinese Democracy" album "was finished before Christmas."

She added: "Everybody knows that."

Lebeis said Axl is currently "in negotiations" with unspecified parties to arrange to album's on-sale date.

However, Classic Rock believes that "Chinese Democracy" may not be "released" in the traditional sense — at least not initially.

The magazine suspects that GN'R may follow the RADIOHEAD route of pay-as-you-like downloads. But the publications stresses that this has not been confirmed.

Another source close to the GN'R camp also suggested that "Chinese Democracy" may gain a conventional release in late summer, with a view to it becoming "a big Christmas album."

Rolling Stone are reporting the same story, so it seems like it will be finally released this year. They're saying it could be late summertime.

We'll see..............

1408

Personally Im waiting to see if something appears on the bands 'official' website or if it appears on blabbermouth.net out of the blue

"GUNS N' ROSES are one of the greatest bands of all time. They are a band that is capable of totally turning rock around. Even though now heavy metal and hard rock are really big they could be responsible for making things big. They have a huge dedicated fan base. The other thing that has blown me away about them is that the kids are so young you know? Most of these kids weren't even alive when 'Appetite for Destruction' came out!"
"Metal" Mike Chlasciak

hyn-zie

kona wrote: »

ive said it before, the band broke at the right time, their next album would have flopped big time!!
i mean look at use your illusion, they had 1 album of decent songs off the two. got greedy and released two albums, democracy is the same, pure money generator.
There were plenty of better bands than GnR tbh!!!
GnR got the hype.
apparantly they were all show and no go

You never change "Kona" one big fu@kin chip on your shoulder!!!!!,

JC 2K3

kona wrote: »

democracy is the same, pure money generator.

It's cost over $13m and it's not certain at all if it will make a profit or not...

If it were a money generator, it'd have been released years ago and there would have been many New GNR albums since.

kona

JC 2K3 wrote: »

It's cost over $13m and it's not certain at all if it will make a profit or not...

If it were a money generator, it'd have been released years ago and there would have been many New GNR albums since.

i dont have a chip on my shoulder, if i did i wouldnt own all the GnR catalog.;)
they were good, im just sick of everybody thinking the sun shines out of their asses thats all. same with fuppin led zep.:D:D

and yes it is a money gernerator, look at it from the view of axl as apposed to the record company.
axl is making a mint off this, the longer he can milk it the better.

record companies aint dumb, they aint a charity, they obviously think that they will make their money back.

and do you believe everything you read;)
no ****ing way has $13m been spent on this album.......its called hype, they will use it to sell more albums, random joe will buy it to see what the fuss is because some jackass music journalist in the sunday rag said that it cost $13m.
how are these guys music journalists, they say what the record companies want them to say...puppets:D:

il give axl one thing , he still knows how to play the game!!

1408

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

The sad thing is that even after all this time....

.....most GNR albums are re-releases, badly composed live sets, Greatest Hits compilations and just plain confusing (see Use Your Illusion single disc sold in American Walmart stores)

JC 2K3

kona wrote: »

i dont have a chip on my shoulder, if i did i wouldnt own all the GnR catalog.;)
they were good, im just sick of everybody thinking the sun shines out of their asses thats all. same with fuppin led zep.:D:D

We're not talking about the old GNR here though, we're talking about Axl's solo project which happens to be also called GNR. The majority of people I've talked to hate or don't care about the New GNR without having even heard them.

kona wrote: »

no ****ing way has $13m been spent on this album.......its called hype, they will use it to sell more albums, random joe will buy it to see what the fuss is because some jackass music journalist in the sunday rag said that it cost $13m.

Bullshít. The $13m figure was taken from Geffen documents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/music/06leed.html?ei=5090&en=a13c0fac87670850&ex=1267851600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1195322585-YcO/12l8xR/GIod6+bXFQA

kona

JC 2K3 wrote: »

We're not talking about the old GNR here though, we're talking about Axl's solo project which happens to be also called GNR. The majority of people I've talked to hate or don't care about the New GNR without having even heard them.


Bullshít. The $13m figure was taken from Geffen documents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/music/06leed.html?ei=5090&en=a13c0fac87670850&ex=1267851600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1195322585-YcO/12l8xR/GIod6+bXFQA

same way the US spend $500 on a toilet brush;)
somthing is being syphoned off somwhere, my guess is tom zutout he a dodgey fupper, anyways
i have heard the few leaked songs on the internet and the live set from rock in rio....and they aint anywhere near the old GnR.

pyure

I love the fact that so many people I know get so worked up over this album - I liked the few leaked songs I've heard, and if and when it arrives in shops it'll be the same as any other album - if it's good i'll buy it, if not i'll pass.
that's all there is to it.

does make for a cracking piece of rock folklore though doesn't it ?

froosh69

hyn-zie wrote: »

axl is a tempremental f!ck who does things in his own time and doesn't care about anything else but him self!

yeah, man!!!Rock n' Roll!!!!!

1408

pyure wrote: »

does make for a cracking piece of rock folklore though doesn't it ?

check out the forthcoming March issue of Classic Rock and you'll see a new article about same said album

Mental Mickey

1408 wrote: »

check out the forthcoming March issue of Classic Rock and you'll see a new article about same said album

A "new" article?? Yeah, right!? :rolleyes:

*yawns*. I bet it's just old information being regurgitated??

Axl, give it up already ffs.

1408

no its a new article based on tom zutats personal experience with the album in 2002

emoKILLER

downloaded a version of Chinese Democracy today and am listening to it right now. Not sure how many songs i have will actualy be on the final version. the songs are
1 Better
2 Irs
3 There was a time
4 Catcher in the rye
5 Chinese democracy
6 Blues
7 Madagascar
8 Rhiad and the bedouins
9 Oh my god
10 Silkworms

Its excelent. i didnt see them in 2006, did they play any of these songs in the rds?

Mental Mickey

emoKILLER wrote: »

downloaded a version of Chinese Democracy today and am listening to it right now. Not sure how many songs i have will actualy be on the final version. the songs are
1 Better
2 Irs
3 There was a time
4 Catcher in the rye
5 Chinese democracy
6 Blues
7 Madagascar
8 Rhiad and the bedouins
9 Oh my god
10 Silkworms

Its excelent. i didnt see them in 2006, did they play any of these songs in the rds?

I have that one too(I think?). The songs they played at the RDS were Better, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar, and The Blues.

Better, Madagascar and The Blues are great songs. Not sure about CD??? There Was A Time is going to be a future GNR classic if it gets released!? It sounds like some of the stuff off UYI.

Last I heard was Axl's manager saying that they hope to get the album out this year......??

:rolleyes:

emoKILLER

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Better, Madagascar and The Blues are great songs. Not sure about CD??? There Was A Time is going to be a future GNR classic if it gets released!? It sounds like some of the stuff off UYI.

:rolleyes:

+1 great songs, nearly worth the waite!!

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Last I heard was Axl's manager saying that they hope to get the album out this year......??

in what year did Axl's manager say that!!!:p

CiaranTheGreat

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I have that one too(I think?). The songs they played at the RDS were Better, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar, and The Blues.

Better, Madagascar and The Blues are great songs. Not sure about CD??? There Was A Time is going to be a future GNR classic if it gets released!? It sounds like some of the stuff off UYI.

Last I heard was Axl's manager saying that they hope to get the album out this year......??

:rolleyes:

That Concert was possible the most most rediculous sset list ever...
one song...New Member Gutar solo....one song....piano solo....one song....another guitar solo

One of the solos was one of the guitarists playing "beautiful" by Christina Aguilara Start to f***ing finish!!!


The Album i think is gonna sell because anyone who knows and likes GNR will be curious as to what its like. I think it will be a big seller!!!

Boggles

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I have that one too(I think?). The songs they played at the RDS were Better, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar, and The Blues.

Better, Madagascar and The Blues are great songs. Not sure about CD??? There Was A Time is going to be a future GNR classic if it gets released!? It sounds like some of the stuff off UYI.

Last I heard was Axl's manager saying that they hope to get the album out this year......??

:rolleyes:

He played a few of thoses songs 7 years ago in Brazil.

Mental Mickey

CiaranTheGreat wrote: »

That Concert was possible the most most rediculous sset list ever...
one song...New Member Gutar solo....one song....piano solo....one song....another guitar solo

One of the solos was one of the guitarists playing "beautiful" by Christina Aguilara Start to f***ing finish!!!


The Album i think is gonna sell because anyone who knows and likes GNR will be curious as to what its like. I think it will be a big seller!!!

That's cos poor Axl is getting on a bit, and can't run around like he used to. He needs his rest between songs, poor chap.:D

CiaranTheGreat

Mental Mickey wrote: »

That's cos poor Axl is getting on a bit, and can't run around like he used to. He needs his rest between songs, poor chap.:D

Yeah apparently he was in an oxygen tent between songs!!!
It sure helped his voice cos he was perfect!!

Mental Mickey

CiaranTheGreat wrote: »

Yeah apparently he was in an oxygen tent between songs!!!
It sure helped his voice cos he was perfect!!

:eek::D No way!!!??? That's hilarious.

RonMexico

They didn't play Chinese Democracy at the RDS. They played Better, Madagascar and The Blues. The reason Richard Fortus and Robin Finck did an instrumental Beautiful is because they are good friends with Linda Perry who wrote the song and Richard Fortus dedicated it to his wife who had just given birth.

grames_bond

CiaranTheGreat wrote: »

It sure helped his voice cos he was perfect!!

i completely agree, his voice was impecible! does anyone remeber when "gnr" played the vmas a good few years ago (when buckethead was still with them) his voice was muck, so he worked on it and was amazing!

as far as Chinese democracy, i rele like the songs i have heard so far! but the amount of guest guitarists on this album is mad, ive heard not only buckethead but brian may, and dave navarro!

hyn-zie

grames_bond wrote: »

buckethead but brian may, and dave navarro!

Dave Navarro only done a solo in "Oh My God" which was a brutal song, Shaquiell O'Neill is also guest, Zakk Wylde went in there at some stage also,

1408

a lot of this information has been thrown around the last couple of years and Im afraid at this stage is completely incorrect. Shaq met Dizzy Reed and Brian Mania in a studio during the early Chinese Democracy recording sessions but did not actually even meet Axl Rose

grames_bond

shaq on a gnr song would be kinda strange imo! ur guaranteed this album is gonna sell loads of copies on presales alone, good or bad! (but by this stage itll have to be a great album)

hyn-zie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_democracy, here you will see he is down as an additional musician

JC 2K3

It seems the wiki has been edited....

Shaquille O'Neill will not be appearing on Chinese Democracy.

dbs_sailor

haha guns n roses

hyn-zie

JC 2K3 wrote: »

It seems the wiki has been edited....

Shaquille O'Neill will not be appearing on Chinese Democracy.

Well from looking for updates on it the last 3 years or so it has been there and i've also read it in Q years ago, how i can remember is cause i though it was a bit strange

kona

conanm wrote: »

haha guns n roses

:D:D
shaq singing:D:D:D

is he not a basketball player???

sure they could get kevin keegan to sing on it with his HUGE perm.....the new slash:D:D

****ing joke tbh, why cant they get proper bands to do backing vocals etc??

JC 2K3

hyn-zie wrote: »

Well from looking for updates on it the last 3 years or so it has been there and i've also read it in Q years ago, how i can remember is cause i though it was a bit strange

Oh, the Shaq thing was always on the wiki, it just used to explicitly say that the recording he did with them would not be appearing on Chinese Democracy.

jax2006

Anybody got good solid info on this album?

nyarlothothep

wind up

GhostInTheRuins

There's a thread about it in the rock and metal forum.