Infractions not being doled out according to the charter

dame

eth0 refuses to ban Blk150 for two abusive posts in the Work & Jobs forum. nesf has seen the same two posts (which I reported) and has also done nothing.

run_Forrest_run deserves at the very least a warning for a post on Parenting but again, that has been over-looked by the moderators there (Thaedydal et al) (although it has been reported).

I have been banned myself but the fact that others are not banned when they break rules and charters makes a mockery of banning anyone at all, ever.

If moderators may decide who and when to give infractions based on their personal likes/dislikes, then why have a charter or rules at all? Why not just do away with charters altogether and leave up a sticky on every forum stating the moderators may do as they wish so we better all suck up.

Stark

Uhm, it's not even one hour since you reported those posts in Work&Jobs. Moderators aren't at their computers 24 hours a day you know.

They sleep when the backup job runs

Karoma

Action -v- reaction. You were out of orders (Action), others reacting to you (reaction). Moderators usually sympathise a little more with people who react to trolls and idiots.
Would it have killed you to post a link to save the majority of people who don't know what this exactly in reference to? Try it. I'm willing to take that risk.

Charters are guidelines, not rulebooks. There's flexibility there. Each situation is different and should be handled differently.

They may be getting private warnings or whatever. You really do appear to be bitching because you got your hand slapped for your behaviour and nothing more.

I have been banned myself but the fact that others are not banned when they break rules and charters makes a mockery of banning anyone at all, ever.

You were rude, you got banned
you don't get a high horse anymore

move on

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

run_Forrest_run deserves at the very least a warning for a post on Parenting but again, that has been over-looked by the moderators there (Thaedydal et al) (although it has been reported).

There was a warning put in that thread.
You did not report posts in parenting as you are banned from there.
You did pester me via pm ( and cast slurs at me ) and if you persist you will get another infraction for back seat modding.

dame wrote: »

I have been banned myself but the fact that others are not banned when they break rules and charters makes a mockery of banning anyone at all, ever.

You got banned for personal abuse from parenting and boo hoo now your misery wants company.

dame wrote: »

If moderators may decide who and when to give infractions based on their personal likes/dislikes, then why have a charter or rules at all? Why not just do away with charters altogether and leave up a sticky on every forum stating the moderators may do as they wish so we better all suck up.

Ah there it is the true fightdapowar motivation of this thread.

RuggieBear

this something to do with pregnant women innit?

dame

Stark wrote: »

Uhm, it's not even one hour since you reported those posts in Work&Jobs. Moderators aren't at their computers 24 hours a day you know.

They sleep when the backup job runs

No but both eth0 and nesf have been on their computers, logged in and replying to that particular thread since I reported those posts. eth0 sent me a pm stating that he/she will not be banning the user. Therefore, the fact of it being one hour or ten hours since makes no difference.

Nevyn

Something to do with Dame's issues with the socail welfare system in this country,
she can take the topic up in humaities and with her TD.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54912444&postcount=31

That is the post for which she got banned and for a mere 1 week.

RuggieBear

where's the personal abuse?

dame

Thaedydal wrote: »

There was a warning put in that thread.
You did not report posts in parenting as you are banned from there.
You did pester me via pm ( and cast slurs at me ) and if you persist you will get another infraction for back seat modding.

There was no specific warning given in the thread. In fact, the "warning" as you call it was actually more directed at me since it pointed out (again) that I had been banned.

"back-seat modding".....does that mean that anyone and everyone who brings an issue up in Feedback will get an infraction for "back-seat modding"? :rolleyes:

dame

RuggieBear wrote: »

where's the personal abuse?

It's in the posts I reported.

dame

Thaedydal wrote: »

You did not report posts in parenting as you are banned from there.

So now pm'ing a mod and reporting a post to them that way doesn't count? Mods pick and choose, that just illustrates my point once again.

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

There was no specific warning given in the thread. In fact, the "warning" as you call it was actually more directed at me since it pointed out (again) that I had been banned.

No it warned the posters to drop talking about your post.

dame wrote: »

"back-seat modding".....does that mean that anyone and everyone who brings an issue up in Feedback will get an infraction for "back-seat modding"? :rolleyes:

Nope the back seat modding was in the pms you sent me.

dame wrote:

whinge, whinge, whinge, mods won't mod thier forum they way I am telling them to, whinge, whine, gibber

Talliesin

Oh, STFU dame.

You didn't even go to the bother of pretending that you weren't bringing a dispute in another forum into that forum because you got banned for being unable to conduct yourself in a reasonable manner in that forum.

Of course you got banned. WTF did you expect.

I must have site-banned at least a dozen people for pulling that crap when I was an S-Mod. I'd have done it in this one in a heartbeat.

Since I don't have site-banning powers any more, have a random cat:

dame

I like cats actually.

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

So now pm'ing a mod and reporting a post to them that way doesn't count? Mods pick and choose, that just illustrates my point once again.

Stop it, the forum is not modded in accordance to what you think and your reporting of the posts in parenting via pm was prejudiced and motivated by your hurt feelings at being banned. If you had of used the report post function with such a prejudice then you would have got a warning about abusing the report post function.

dame

Still doesn't explain the blatant ignoring of the blatantly insulting posts in the Work & Jobs forum.

dame

Thaedydal wrote: »

then you would have got a warning about abusing the report post function.

Right, so basically reporting a post may only be done by a person who has not been insulted. In that case there must have been thousands of infractions given in error over the years to users who were reported by the injured party. Better make that clear in the charter then. That way we can avoid anyone who feels aggrieved getting an infraction for themselves by reporting an insulting post made by somebody else.

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

Still doesn't explain the blatant ignoring of the blatantly insulting posts in the Work & Jobs forum.

You are not privy to the infraction system when it is applied to someone who is not you. You have know way of knowing what if any infractions were handed out or by which mods.

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

Right, so basically reporting a post may only be done by a person who has not been insulted. In that case there must have been thousands of infractions given in error over the years to users who were reported by the injured party. Better make that clear in the charter then. That way we can avoid anyone who feels aggrieved getting an infraction for themselves by reporting an insulting post made by somebody else.

You were not named or singled out by the op in the thread in parenting but you singled her out for your unkind comments when she is clearly struggling with her pregnancy and the complications arising from it.

dame

bluewolf wrote: »

You were rude, you got banned
you don't get a high horse anymore

move on

That does not (or should I say "should not") allow anyone else to get away with being rude.

Talliesin

dame wrote: »

Right, so basically reporting a post may only be done by a person who has not been insulted. In that case there must have been thousands of infractions given in error over the years to users who were reported by the injured party. Better make that clear in the charter then. That way we can avoid anyone who feels aggrieved getting an infraction for themselves by reporting an insulting post made by somebody else.

Am I the only person who really dislikes it when someone says, "So basically..." and then goes on to say something that is completely at odds with what was said.

I think it's not so much the stupidity of it, but the way there's always an impression that they think they're actually being clever and have pulled off some sort master-stroke of rhetorical brilliance; hence making the stupidity even more grating.

dame

Thaedydal wrote: »

You are not privy to the infraction system when it is applied to someone who is not you. You have know way of knowing what if any infractions were handed out or by which mods.

There is normally a post made on the thread by a moderator stating that a person has been warned/banned due to a post made on that thread.

In the case of the two highly insulting posts in Work & Jobs I am actually privy to the infraction as it applied to someone who is not me. A moderator pm'ed me and told me they would not be banning the user. Have you actually read this thread here at all? Yadda, yadda, I have a life....I can't read everything.....blah, blah.... Well you should if you are going to be commenting on it.

dame

dame wrote: »

That does not (or should I say "should not") allow anyone else to get away with being rude.

You're not in charge of "allowing" anything
particularly since you can't stop yourself from being rude
so why you would presume to try and call others on it is beyond me

once again, move on

dame

bluewolf wrote: »

You're not in charge of "allowing" anything
particularly since you can't stop yourself from being rude
so why you would presume to try and call others on it is beyond me

once again, move on

In the interests of fairness? Ever heard of that concept?

dame

dame wrote: »

In the interests of fairness? Ever heard of that concept?

You think being rude enough to get yourself banned is "fair"? I don't.

And if you were posting this purely in the interests of fairness, you could and would have gone about this whole thing a lot differently.
As it is, it's whining about being banned and "misery wants company" as thaed said.

Talliesin

dame wrote: »

There is normally a post made on the thread by a moderator stating that a person has been warned/banned due to a post made on that thread.

No. Normally there isn't. Such posts are in the minority.

eth0_

This is getting embarrassing.

If I had banned the person you reported, I would have had to ban you also, in the interest of fairness. You have a chip on your shoulder and you created another thread in an inappropriate forum in order to continue your tirade against the young mother in the other forum you were banned from.

I made an informed decision to ban neither of you, and instead lock the highly inappropriate thread you started.

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

There is normally a post made on the thread by a moderator stating that a person has been warned/banned due to a post made on that thread.

that is not normally the case for infractions.

dame wrote: »

In the case of the two highly insulting posts in Work & Jobs I am actually privy to the infraction as it applied to someone who is not me.

Nope you still do not have access to the place where the infractions are reported for all the mods to see.

dame wrote: »

A moderator pm'ed me and told me they would not be banning the user.

Ah so what you do have is a communication from a mod kind enough to inform you that your reported post will not be acted on. ie no dice stop baying for blood.

So you used the report post function ( which reports to a place were all the mods can see ) to not just report but also to whinge after the thread you started which was muck racking from a forum you were just banned from was closed.

Actually looking at your exact wording of the reported post report

dame wrote:

Ban this user for personal insults.

You have used the reported post function to instruct a mod what to do which is back seat modding.

Nevyn

dame wrote: »

In the interests of fairness? Ever heard of that concept?

The internets of fairness ?

wow is there such a thing ?

Stark

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=54918855#post54918855

Pure baiting. "Oh you rose to it. Ooh mods, mods". Upset that noone came running? You're like the little child provoking his/her siblings until he/she gets a slap then shouting "Mam..." and expecting Mammy to come with kisses and hugs.

dame

Stark wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=54918855#post54918855

Pure baiting. "Oh you rose to it. Ooh mods, mods". Upset that noone came running? You're like the little child provoking his/her siblings until he/she gets a slap then shouting "Mam..." and expecting Mammy to come with kisses and hugs.

Actually, I was willing to not think the worst. If the poster hadn't replied as he/she did then I would not have reported them. I wouldn't have wanted to be abusing the report post function unnecessarily now, would I. However, the poster confirmed that they had indeed meant their post as a personal insult, thus being in breach of the charter.

Orion

dame wrote: »

In the interests of fairness? Ever heard of that concept?

Have you?

dame wrote:

You are "entitled" (your favourite word)

dame wrote:

You can look up the Health & Safety at Work Act 2005 yourself.

dame wrote:

Starting to sound like you just don't want to work and want us to hand you a perfect solution (whereby you get money into your pocket) while you relax at home.

dame wrote:

Right......but if we were to tell you now there's Ypoung Expectant Mother's Entitlement Payment X which you can get, so long as you fill in form Y, which you get from person Z.....then person Z refused to give you the form........I'll bet you wouldn't be so "shy and submissive" then!

Actually, going to the bother of looking up legislation for you and making helpful suggestions as to what you could do at work to make life easier for you and enable you to continue working was being generous and positive. If you want to flippantly ignore that and get on your high-horse over a perceived character slight, then you really are an ungrateful little madam who doesn't deserve the help and time of people here.

Personally I think Thaed did make a mistake in banning you. It should have been much much earlier!

Hagar

Thaedydal wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54912444&postcount=31

That is the post for which she got banned and for a mere 1 week.

Without getting embroiled in the whys and why nots of the banning I have to say that post quoted is bang on.
Dame also seemed to be very helpful quoting various regulations etc and generally being encouraging to the op up to the point where it became apparant that the op had planned all along to live off Social Welfare.

My 2c.

Nevyn

Hagar wrote: »

Without getting embroiled in the whys and why nots of the banning I have to say that post quoted is bang on.
Dame also seemed to be very helpful quoting various regulations etc and generally being encouraging to the op up to the point where it became apparant that the op had planned all along to live off Social Welfare.

My 2c.

Hagar if you and dame want to have the dicussion of that topic in humanities or politics then go head.

the parenting forum is meant to be one that is supportive and to be perfectly honest the op does not seem to have a clue of how the system works and most likely is in for a shock when she sees how much she will struggle.

WhiteWashMan

dame wrote: »

eth0 refuses to ban Blk150 for two abusive posts in the Work & Jobs forum. nesf has seen the same two posts (which I reported) and has also done nothing.

run_Forrest_run deserves at the very least a warning for a post on Parenting but again, that has been over-looked by the moderators there (Thaedydal et al) (although it has been reported).

I have been banned myself but the fact that others are not banned when they break rules and charters makes a mockery of banning anyone at all, ever.

If moderators may decide who and when to give infractions based on their personal likes/dislikes, then why have a charter or rules at all? Why not just do away with charters altogether and leave up a sticky on every forum stating the moderators may do as they wish so we better all suck up.

why didnt you drop me a PM?

Hagar

From reading the ops responses she seems to be very clued in to what she is and isn't entitled to. She seems to have spent a lot of time sussing out the best way to finance herself at public expense and to me she just seems to be looking for people to fill in any gaps she might have missed. She seems to have only started working after she got pregnant in the hope it would somehow help her benefits position. I don't see much in the way of "How will I cope with a bad feeder or colic" but I do see a lot of "Where can I get cash from without working for it".

I don't think OP would have posted in Politics or Humanities so it's hardly fair to expect me to go there. I think she knew her audience in Parenting would be more sympathetic. I think the thread was a cynical manipulation of the good nature of the posters in Parenting. Dame bought it for a while then saw that the thrust of the thread was very cash rather than baby oriented and called the OP on it.

Calling someone a "proper little madam" must be the least abusive abuse I have ever seen.
Worth a warning ? Yeah OK. Worth a ban? Not my call.

Nevyn

Dame has been warned before for badgering and berating posters and not just in the parenting forum.

The charter of the parenting forum clearly states:

Please be polite, and courteous when posting new threads and replying to existing threads.

Personally I think if the op is not in a situation to be able to have the child then the child should be put up or adoption or she should have had an abortion or even better have tried her damnest not to get pregnant,
but I can't post that in parenting and Ireland post the laundries scandals encourages young women to keep thier babies
and the state provides somewhat for the child.

nesf

dame wrote: »

nesf has seen the same two posts (which I reported) and has also done nothing.

nesf did do something, he told you not to bring your arguments from Parenting into Work/Jobs.

green123

Thaedydal wrote: »

but I can't post that in parenting

why not ?
tell the truth, give an honest opinion.
its a ridiculous forum if we are only allowed to post what people want to hear.

i dont see anything wrong with dames post
its a disgrace that it resulted in a ban

the particular girl deserves alot worse abuse for planning to rip off the system

Nerin

its a ridiculous forum if we are only allowed to post what people want to hear.

i'll be polite and courteous here, its parenting forum, it says in the charter be polite and courteous. my mother was a single mother when i was young, and if i had seen these shenanigans, which in my mind constitute the term of trolling, i would (and rightly so) have been banned for what i would have said to dame.
not on, not proper time place or what have you and certainly not how an adult should behave.
Thaedydal is right, you were totally out of order.
And ive had a back seat modding infraction.

sit it out, chill out, and pretty much cop on.

green123

nerin wrote: »

certainly not how an adult should behave.

you say this about dame

well i would say this about the expectant mother, and her plans to take the system for a ride
and i dont see why that cant be pointed out

Nerin

Entitlements for young expectant mums???
hi im 20 and expecting my first baby in april. im 27 weeks and have been working up until now, but im beginning to feel unable for work. Im caught in a bit of a sticky situation cos if i leave work i wont have any source of income. Is there any benefits or assistance i can claim while out of work waiting for the lil one to arrive??

if not, is there anything anyone can do for me??

thanks,
Boards.ie newbie and excited but worried mum-to-be,
Roz

Yeah, totally raping the system, how will we survive.:rolleyes:
Dame = chip on her shoulder. Needs to get over it. got banned for being,well, i wont say anything incase she screams for a mod.
she was picking on that girl, then started another thread out of spite.
she was in the wrong.

green123

nerin wrote: »

Yeah, totally raping the system, how will we survive.:rolleyes:

this is a terrible attitude

why should i have to pay extra tax so people like this can get hand outs ?

Nerin

originally posted by Hotmail
Dear nerin,

green123 has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Infractions not being doled out according to the charter - in the Feedback forum of boards.ie.

This thread is located at:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055221112&goto=newpost

Here is the message that has just been posted:
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---Quote (Originally by nerin)---
Yeah, totally raping the system, how will we survive.:rolleyes:
---End Quote---
this is a terrible attitude

why should i have to pay extra tax so scum like this can get hand outs ?
***************

this is a terrible attitude

why should i have to pay extra tax so people like this can get hand outs ?

Scum???

Not gonna waste my time on you, your nearly as bad as dame, as ive said already--

she was picking on that girl, then started another thread out of spite.
she was in the wrong.

green123

well this is how people feel
should we hide this and pretend what she is doing is ok ?

intentionally setting out to screw the system is wrong
no harm letting her know this

Nerin

why did u change the original wording then?

green123

nerin wrote: »

why did u change the original wording then?

because of over sensitive people like you
grow up and get into the real world
this is the way people feel and speak

Nerin

yes indeed, and if that is how one plans to debate, then they lose mucho respect amigo.
maybe you and dame are the ones who need to grow up and stop this school yard bullying.

Dame has been warned before for badgering and berating posters and not just in the parenting forum.

thats what the thread is about, dame is complaining because she got a smack of the almighty banhammer and she wanted people to go down with her.

green123

dame was right to complain because her ban was very unfair

green123

most people would not be happy with this person screwing the system

so why try to hide this ?
why only allow supportive posts ?