New tattoo-need input!

Master-Decoy

Ok so I was saving for another move back to dubland but it seems to have fallen through somewhat,so to make myself feel better I'm going to blast a wad of my savings on a new tat. I want one of two things on my inner bicep. It's either a koi fish with some lillys and waves etc. or something a little bit evil,warped skulls/faces with a dash of biomech etc. I'm kind of leaning toward Vinny in galway. There's some family friends from here in westport have known him for many years and both have sleeve work done by him. Has anyone any advice for me? Oh and does anyone have a contact number for him? Cheers peeps!

Lazers pew pew

dont get one you'll regret it
Jesus saves

Le Rack

I smell a banning...

you totally stuck in galway? don't know much bout artists there but know some good ones in dub...try yellow pages for numbers maybe?

Master-Decoy

@lazers - yeah.....ok.. I have 6 already...

I just kinda want to know if anyone can advise on someone who is rock solid with outlines. The shining point of any koi sleeve is obviously the color,but to me that can all be touched up. The outline is stuck there and harder to fix up in my experience. Just want to know whos gonna keep it real and not mess it up on me basically. Can anyone who has had stuff done by Vinny lately post up some pics? Thanks a lot! ^^

tread_softly

my boyfriend got a koi done on his upper arm



it was done by mark in celestial. he's since had it coloured but it looked savage nonetheless with just outline and shading.

sorry pic is small, can't find a bigger one

Master-Decoy

thats ****ing beautiful! very nice indeed! Thanks for taking the time to post the pic too I really appreciate it! Is that guy still working there do you know? Any idea on the price pre-colour?

popecatapetal

I haven't done my homework on this, but I'm pretty sure the Mark in question is the piercer at V piercings now. He does tattooing in Inkwell by appointment in the evenings, so if you want to contact him, head down to Inkwell by Smithfield in Dublin.

Crumble Froo

i only realised last time i was there that he did tattoos too. he was saying then that he hadn't done ink in ages, and was intending practising a bit first before he went and took the needle to the paying public. small chance you might have to wait, so. but i'd definitely go check em out yourslef and hear firsthand.

Reku

Lazers pew pew wrote: »

dont get one you'll regret it
Jesus saves

Yeah, why get one when you can get 3 or 4?:D


Bit of an odd stance though; being anti-tattoos considering:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54868173&postcount=1
Are you saying that it's only been a few days and you're already regretting it?!?

jenizzle

popecatapetal wrote: »

I haven't done my homework on this, but I'm pretty sure the Mark in question is the piercer at V piercings now. He does tattooing in Inkwell by appointment in the evenings, so if you want to contact him, head down to Inkwell by Smithfield in Dublin.

There's two Marks

One in Celestial, who is still working in Stephans Green afaik, and then Mark the piercer in V who tattoos the odd time.

tread_softly

Master-Decoy wrote: »

Is that guy still working there do you know? Any idea on the price pre-colour?

yeah, it's mark in celestial in stephen's green, called wildcat now but i hate that name!

oh god, i can't remember the price, bout €300 maybe? and it wasn't done in one session, so don't think you'll get it completed on the day, but it does depend on the size and detail. i recommend you get it big enough tho, don't want it looking like a sprat!

mark freehanded that one, i think it looks great compared to other kois, i think it's the look in his eyes, he's like, yeah i'm a fish but i'll kick your ass if you say something funny about it. bit different to all the pussy kois out there!

Master-Decoy

tread_softly wrote: »

yeah i'm a fish but i'll kick your ass if you say something funny about it.

hahaha! legend! It was actually the one thing I pointed out when I was showing a friend here with me,the eyes I mean! Proper mean looking,it gives it an attitude or a personality ya know,not like a stuffed fish on a piece of wood! :P Thanks again for your advice missus!

Lazers pew pew

farohar wrote: »

Yeah, why get one when you can get 3 or 4?:D


Bit of an odd stance though; being anti-tattoos considering:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54868173&postcount=1
Are you saying that it's only been a few days and you're already regretting it?!?

i was obviously joking

biko

Ring them and ask if they do koi.
Make sure you see a few photos from the artist before you committ to anything!

Metal Works
Shop St. 091-567277

Irish Ink Tattoo Body Piercing
William St.West 087-9390139

Master-Decoy

cheers biko!

N1njapirate

Master-Decoy wrote: »

cheers biko!

You could have just asked me for the number!

I need to go into Irish Ink during the week, so we should go in together some day your up in Galway!

hot2def

that koi is definitely NOT by mark in V piercings, thats mark in stephen's green

Shimei

yeah it was mark in celestial.i got him to colour it in too.it looks way better now in colour!

hairyfairy00

Vinny did my Koi at the end of Nov, i thought he was really good. It's not the best pic of it, was probably 2-3 day old when i took the photo.

TelePaul

Whend fish (carp specifically) become so popular as a type of tattoo.

Le Rack

I don't know but I really really don't like them, granted there is a lot of skill and work goes into them and I can appreciate that but I don't find tham attractive at all and from the looks of things it's getting to the stage where near on every second person has one...

is there special meaning behind them or summit?

rannerap

koi fish are the new stars i think

Dashticle

They're just a type of fish that were popular to breed in japan - so they feature in a lot of art. They remind me of the japanese dragons that are all the rage these days for non asian people to get done as tattoos.

Reku

Dashticle wrote: »

They're just a type of fish that were popular to breed in japan - so they feature in a lot of art. They remind me of the japanese dragons that are all the rage these days for non asian people to get done as tattoos.

If that's all the reason behind it then they're less so the new stars, more-so the new kanji IMO. People get them because they're oriental & look cool but they haven't the foggiest idea as to their real meaning or significance.
*sigh* if only little miss "Drugáil saor" had been Asian, the irony would have been brilliant:rolleyes:

DILLIGAF

jayzus, some people on here are all "yap yap yap" tell ya what, show us a picture of your tattoos so we can tell ya about all the many people that we know who have them and how they're the new black panther yeah? or maybe you'll tell us that your tri-color is the new swastika? utter tripe!

Great looking koi's on the first page,and thats some lovely looking coloring on yours hairyfairy!

To the haters, why dont you keep that obvious unhappiness to yourself when others are showing their tattoos? And who the **** cares what a star,fish,dragon,tribal or ****ing anchor means? There's nothing more *yawn* then listening to someone drivel on about the mediocre importance of some ink.

"uh so yeah,i got this one to remind me of a time when the world seemed like a black hole of depression and how all I could see was the every fading light at the end of the tunnel........thats why i got mum on a heart on my shoulder"



The koi were part of an old japanese fable suggesting that the fish would struggle upstream for its entire life and when eventually it would reach the top of some waterfall or stream,it would become a dragon. wow,big whoop,they look great,people like them,go fig!I'll be getting one too after I get Yoshimitsu's mask in some wreaths. We're here for a good time not a long time so keep your lowly opinions to yourself.

DILLIGAF

hairyfairy00 wrote: »

Vinny did my Koi at the end of Nov, i thought he was really good. It's not the best pic of it, was probably 2-3 day old when i took the photo.

how much was this by the way? it looks like a decent size!
do you have the number for tribal ink handy?

Eire_Tattoo

Japanese fish tattoo's are not a new fad! They are around 100's of years. They have been popular in the west since the 1970's. There has been many variations on the style and designs over the years. Different artists input over the years have led to Koi tattoo's being the subject for some of the most innovative tattoos lately. A lot of what is seen now days is simplified flash pieces that have lost the feel and quality of the the originals, but they are not a fad tattoo! If anything less people are going for the Flash type of Koi tattoo's these days, due to the quality artists a putting out now.

Stars and Kanji were a fad as a lot of previously untattooed people were getting them cause they "looked good", a lot of these people were not tattoo fans but only interested in looking good, which is always a mistake when tattoos are concerned!

Reku

DILLIGAF wrote: »

jayzus, some people on here are all "yap yap yap" tell ya what, show us a picture of your tattoos so we can tell ya about all the many people that we know who have them and how they're the new black panther yeah? or maybe you'll tell us that your tri-color is the new swastika? utter tripe!

*Notes the absense of any pics of DILLIGAF's tattoos and laughs*:D

DILLIGAF wrote: »

To the haters, why dont you keep that obvious unhappiness to yourself when others are showing their tattoos? And who the **** cares what a star,fish,dragon,tribal or ****ing anchor means? There's nothing more *yawn* then listening to someone drivel on about the mediocre importance of some ink.

If talking about tattoos bores you so much there are plenty of other forums to keep to.:rolleyes:

DILLIGAF wrote: »

The koi were part of an old japanese fable suggesting that the fish would struggle upstream for its entire life and when eventually it would reach the top of some waterfall or stream,it would become a dragon. wow,big whoop,they look great,people like them,go fig!I'll be getting one too after I get Yoshimitsu's mask in some wreaths. We're here for a good time not a long time so keep your lowly opinions to yourself.

Hmm... so those viewpoints that don't agree with yours count as "lowly oppinions" because?

People were merely making the point that koi tattoos seem to becoming rather common lately and that they find this offputting.
As for:

Eire_Tattoo wrote:

Japanese fish tattoo's are not a new fad! They are around 100's of years. They have been popular in the west since the 1970's. There has been many variations on the style and designs over the years. Different artists input over the years have led to Koi tattoo's being the subject for some of the most innovative tattoos lately. A lot of what is seen now days is simplified flash pieces that have lost the feel and quality of the the originals, but they are not a fad tattoo! If anything less people are going for the Flash type of Koi tattoo's these days, due to the quality artists a putting out now.

Stars and Kanji were a fad as a lot of previously untattooed people were getting them cause they "looked good", a lot of these people were not tattoo fans but only interested in looking good, which is always a mistake when tattoos are concerned!

New in Ireland perhaps then would be a better wording. As for whether most people are getting the koi because they genuinely feel connected to it/an appreciation for the inkwork or because they simply think it looks cool who knows, there are undoubtedly those in both camps.

hairyfairy00

DILLIGAF wrote: »

how much was this by the way? it looks like a decent size!
do you have the number for tribal ink handy?

Ya it's about the size of my hand! Think it was €250 and it took a little over 2 hours to do, i don't have the number but i pass by there on the way to work so i'll try and get it for you later

Answering others peoples posts about the Koi's, i got mine because of what it means to me, the Japanese believe the Koi swim up stream and jump up water falls and when the make it they turn into a dragon e.g they become stronger after all their struggles!
I've wanted a Koi tattoo for about 5 years, i've been through a lot in those years and now i feel a stronger and better person physically and mentally so i felt it was the right time to get it done.

Le Rack

hairyfairy00 wrote: »

I've wanted a Koi tattoo for about 5 years, i've been through a lot in those years and now i feel a stronger and better person physically and mentally so i felt it was the right time to get it done.

This was all I was looking for. Thank you, fair enough. Still not fond of em but I can appreciate the work of them and now the meaning.

DILLIGAF grow up, if you'd taken the time to look through the forum you'd have seen that 99% of us have posted up our work, and discuss all aspects of it all around, with enthusism or not. And for note in my case, my tattoo is not flash and no one else has it, I design my own tattoos as I've noticed more and more people doing these days, one of the reasons for which is they don't like flash and the idea that every second person could have their tatt and it can be much more personal to them when self designed.

hairyfairy00

Tribe City, Dominick St, Galway. Ph 087-7596780

Shimei

koi is a good luck thing.
tribals are blobs.
my koi would kick all your kois and tribals asses!!!
END OF!!!!

DILLIGAF

Get a life lads,my ink is for me,I don't need to post any pictures so the MTV kids will think I'm cool.pfft. :rolleyes: And LeRack or whoever,you should know better,you actually said "thats all i was looking for" as though he/she had to earn the right to have that tattoo??He/She has it already and doesn't require your almighty approval or even your opinion.Bottom line,if you have nothing good to say,then dont say anything at all.What started as a good inquisitive thread has been dragged down by the ignorance of supposed ignorance. Cheers for the number hairyfairy

Reku

DILLIGAF wrote: »

Get a life lads,my ink is for me,I don't need to post any pictures so the MTV kids will think I'm cool.pfft. :rolleyes:

And yet you were insisting that only those who'd posted pics of their own had a right to express their oppinions? Am I the only one feeling a bit skeptical as to if DILLIGAF even has any tattoos that he'd expect us to all post pics yet get so defensive when the same request is made to him?

DILLIGAF wrote: »

And LeRack or whoever,you should know better,you actually said "thats all i was looking for" as though he/she had to earn the right to have that tattoo??He/She has it already and doesn't require your almighty approval or even your opinion.

Le Rack wasn't seeking a reason to give her approval, simply seeking to understand why people get that design and what the meaning behind it is.

DILLIGAF wrote: »

Bottom line,if you have nothing good to say,then dont say anything at all.

And you've been just a little ray of sunshine haven't you...:rolleyes:

DILLIGAF wrote: »

What started as a good inquisitive thread has been dragged down by the ignorance of supposed ignorance. Cheers for the number hairyfairy

No it remained a good inquisitive thread as those seeking the meaning behind the koi found out what it was, while it may not have changed Le Rack's personal view on them it is her personal view and she is completely entitled to dislike them, just as those who do like them are free to do so. If your posts are anything to go by that number won't be much use to you anyway as any reputable studio will not tattoo children.

Personally I'd say that hairyfairy00's looks good, good artwork, healed well. Part of me feels that maybe something should be done with the gaps that are there as water splashing over the fish on the left side as the ones on the right have clear shading so people can easily tell it's supposed to be water splashes, but perhaps this is just the angle the camera was at (taking perfect pics of your own tattoos is far from easy unfortunately:(, even having taken a good one is an achievement). Am curious as to if the orange & yellow spot in the koi's forehead is just an artifact in the photo/really there? If it's really there was it intentional & if so is there a significance to it too or is it just aestheticly pleasing?

Shimei wrote: »

my koi would kick all your kois and tribals asses!!!
END OF!!!!

:eek:*Makes note not to swim with Shimei's Siamese Fighting Koi*

tread_softly

farohar wrote: »

Am curious as to if the orange & yellow spot in the koi's forehead is just an artifact in the photo/really there? If it's really there was it intentional & if so is there a significance to it too or is it just aestheticly pleasing?

randomly googled images, doesn't necessarily mean they'll be good tatts!

a lot a koi tattoos have some sort of circular marking on the forehead, don't have a breeze what it means, but it's part of the traditional design i guess.

Reku

Apparently

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19092 wrote:

The carp has long been an emblem of perseverance. It was admired because it struggled against the River in He Jing District, Shansi, linked to the Yellow River. From this struggle, a legend grew up that those fish who succeeded in passing above the rapids of the Dragon’s Gate, Long Men, on the third moon of each year, had their heads burned off by lightning as they leaped over the rapids, and the face was replaced by a dragon’s face, and this was left with a mark on the forehead to distinguish themselves from others. The prolonged exertions of these fish and their eventual success in leaping the rapids became synonymous with the long struggle of the literary scholar who eventually achieved success after much persistence and toil. Thus, a fish-dragon in the shape of a carp (sometimes a sturgeon), with a dragon’s face, became the symbol of literary eminence, and someone who passed an examination for a degree was known as a “Carp who had leaped over the Dragon Gate.” Accordingly, it was commonplace to present scholars who passed with distinction a plate, or perhaps a vase, decorated with one or more dragon-fish. Several exquisite silver plates with gilt decoration have been found and are in museums around the world. The British Museum has a shard of Yue ware decorated with such a fish-dragon. Sadly, it is incorrectly described as a Makara.

Le Rack

DILLIGAF wrote: »

Get a life lads,my ink is for me,I don't need to post any pictures so the MTV kids will think I'm cool.pfft. :rolleyes: And LeRack or whoever,you should know better,you actually said "thats all i was looking for" as though he/she had to earn the right to have that tattoo??He/She has it already and doesn't require your almighty approval or even your opinion.Bottom line,if you have nothing good to say,then dont say anything at all.What started as a good inquisitive thread has been dragged down by the ignorance of supposed ignorance. Cheers for the number hairyfairy

The "all I was looking for" was aimed at you and your pratliness. I just wanted to know the meaning behind them if any, I can appreciate the art and skill of them but just don't find them attractive and the meaning is pretty awesome too.

Also if you knew anything about the posters here we're far from MTV kids, those are spottable a mile off as the ones that post asking how much a tongue piercing hurts with usernames like "playboy101" (i just made that name up, apologies if it's someones name!:D)

Lads I've a sneaky suspiscion that that last super tatt dude got himself a new account!!! :rolleyes::D

Star Lord

I've always liked the traditional styled Koi, and often thought of getting a Koi tattoo, but I'd want it to be part of something bigger if I were to get it.

DILLIGAF, cool the temper there chief, people were generally just inquiring about the meaning, if they say it's not what they'd get themselves, so what? How does that effect you?

DILLIGAF

has no one noticed that they simply started bad mouthing about how people with koi's have no idea about their meaning or significance for no reason?


"If that's all the reason behind it then they're less so the new stars, more-so the new kanji IMO. People get them because they're oriental & look cool but they haven't the foggiest idea as to their real meaning or significance.
*sigh* if only little miss "Drugáil saor" had been Asian, the irony would have been brilliant"

Reku

DILLIGAF wrote: »

has no one noticed that they simply started bad mouthing about how people with koi's have no idea about their meaning or significance for no reason?


"If that's all the reason behind it then they're less so the new stars, more-so the new kanji IMO. People get them because they're oriental & look cool but they haven't the foggiest idea as to their real meaning or significance.
*sigh* if only little miss "Drugáil saor" had been Asian, the irony would have been brilliant"

No, other people simply no how to read things in context and not simply go around stirring up trouble where there is none.

various posters asking why koi tattoos appear to suddenly be so popular

Dashticle wrote: »

They're just a type of fish that were popular to breed in japan - so they feature in a lot of art. They remind me of the japanese dragons that are all the rage these days for non asian people to get done as tattoos.

farohar wrote: »

If that's all the reason behind it then they're less so the new stars, more-so the new kanji IMO. People get them because they're oriental & look cool but they haven't the foggiest idea as to their real meaning or significance.
*sigh* if only little miss "Drugáil saor" had been Asian, the irony would have been brilliant:rolleyes:

*them* as in Kanji, potentially applying to koi if the interest in getting them is simply for the same reason.

DILLIGAF

Ok I'm genuinely sorry for taking it up wrong,so explain to me:

farohar wrote: »

People get them because they're oriental & look cool but they haven't the foggiest idea as to their real meaning or significance.

Cause maybe I missed a coma or two along the way.cheers

hairyfairy00

farohar wrote: »

Personally I'd say that hairyfairy00's looks good, good artwork, healed well. Part of me feels that maybe something should be done with the gaps that are there as water splashing over the fish on the left side as the ones on the right have clear shading so people can easily tell it's supposed to be water splashes, but perhaps this is just the angle the camera was at (taking perfect pics of your own tattoos is far from easy unfortunately:(, even having taken a good one is an achievement). Am curious as to if the orange & yellow spot in the koi's forehead is just an artifact in the photo/really there? If it's really there was it intentional & if so is there a significance to it too or is it just aestheticly pleasing?


:eek:*Makes note not to swim with Shimei's Siamese Fighting Koi*

It's supposed to be coming out of my skin, thats whay they are gaps, guaranteed it does look like he forgot to fill it in with water But i do intend to add to it so i can get him to change it.

I understand what some people are saying about 'trend' tattoos, i shy away form a lot i like because most people seem to be getting them. My first tattoo was a fairy and nearly every woman i see has one now but again i got mine done because my names means fairy in english.

Now lets all be friends, and thanks to all who complemented my Koi

Reku

DILLIGAF wrote: »

Ok I'm genuinely sorry for taking it up wrong,so explain to me:



Cause maybe I missed a coma or two along the way.cheers

Kanji, most westerners getting them haven't really a clue what they mean and in what context, as a result it will often say something other than what we intend it to. Britney Spears for example requested "mysterious" and instead got "strange". I wouldn't be surprised if there are one or two artists in the world who have intentionally put a different message to that requested because they know that the person will probably never know. It's like a manager I once had, he kept pestering one of the Chinese lads to teach him how to say "hello" in Chinese, the lad told him to say "wha-zow" (approximate phonetics), whereas the actual Chinese is "Nee-ha", apparently what he then spent the next week saying to Chinese people, and getting funny looks for it, is the equivalent of saying "f*ck-off!".

So as I said had the girl with "drugáil saor" been oriental it would have been a rather humourous irony I feel.

Star Lord

hairyfairy00 wrote: »

It's supposed to be coming out of my skin, thats whay they are gaps, guaranteed it does look like he forgot to fill it in with water But i do intend to add to it so i can get him to change it.

I understand what some people are saying about 'trend' tattoos, i shy away form a lot i like because most people seem to be getting them. My first tattoo was a fairy and nearly every woman i see has one now but again i got mine done because my names means fairy in english.

Now lets all be friends, and thanks to all who complemented my Koi

Can't remember if I'd commented, and can't be arsed to read back to find out
But your Koi is awesome

DILLIGAF

Looks like your koi missus!

http://norm-butler.deviantart.com/art/My-Koi-Tattoo-55653533

truthinwords

Comparing stars and koi is ridiculous. Stars aren't an overly artistic tattoo there's very little you can do with them but I'm sure you've all seen the numerous variations of koi out there.

xtruthx

truthinwords

farohar wrote: »

It's like a manager I once had, he kept pestering one of the Chinese lads to teach him how to say "hello" in Chinese, the lad told him to say "wha-zow" (approximate phonetics), whereas the actual Chinese is "Nee-ha", apparently what he then spent the next week saying to Chinese people, and getting funny looks for it, is the equivalent of saying "f*ck-off!".

Wow. I'm sure that went down well. We don't swear infront of our Chinese professors at all (there's only 19 in the class so conversations can be overheard fairly easy) because they go very quiet if they hear swearing. Their a very polite race, very manerly and respect for others is so central to their daily existence.

xtruthx

hairyfairy00

DILLIGAF wrote: »

Looks like your koi missus!

http://norm-butler.deviantart.com/art/My-Koi-Tattoo-55653533

:eek: That one looks better than mine :mad: But i still love my one!

DILLIGAF

ah I dont know if it looks better tbh,yours is very feminine and looks like it really suits your skin tone!

DILLIGAF

here's mine so far by the way! I'll have it finished next week so I'll repost and she ye the finished result! depth of the pic looks weird but its going up onto my shoulder and my back too!


I also looks kinda fat.....lame... haha

Crumble Froo

wtf is slim, if that's fat?

can't wait to see the dragon in colour too.