And we think America is bad...

connundrum

Those stats are the reason why we moved out of Johannesburg in 1995 - added to that, our neighbour was shot in the back whilst trying to escape over our joining wall when his house was getting burgled.

Me and the Mrs are going over to visit my parents in Cape Town on Friday this week. Cape Town is a different bag of nuts.

I wouldn't move back to Johannesburg, but there are also parts of Ireland I wouldn't move to so I'm not really bothered either way.

The stats don't take into account the amount of people murdered by Americans off American soil

Terry

connundrum wrote: »

The stats don't take into account the amount of people murdered by Americans off American soil

Indeed. That would be in the millions.

eroo

kyub wrote: »

No, I don't think America is bad at all. This forum should be renamed American BS due to all these stupid threads. Maybe a thread titled "South Africa daily murder rate is shocking!" and then include the nice shock smily in your post a few times like you did would have been better?

Its just a title...grumpy are we?;)

Reku

OPENROAD wrote: »

farohar wrote: »

With the threat of British football hooligans I'd imagine there'll be plenty of security... one reason to be glad we've a sh*t team in Ireland (we don't get to attend big events like this).:)

The vast majority of England fans are not hooligans. And it would not be just England fans that would pose a threat,have you seen want Eastern European football fans are like. Just thought I would mention that.

I never said the vast majority were, merely that there was the threat of the hooligans showing up.;)
I have heard about eastern European football hooligans and German ones too, but for the recent world cups it seemed to be the English ones who grabbed the limelight the most.
In all honesty though I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ireland began to develop its own little troop of football hooligans just because the ********* feel it's an excuse to act up.

Overheal

kyub wrote: »

This forum should be renamed American BS due to all these stupid threads.

They wont let me rename it :rolleyes:

watna

rosarosa wrote: »

a) arpartheid led to deep mistrust of other "races", that didn't just go away after 1994. my own cousins still don't like people of Indian descent

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wow, it feels so weird to read that. My bf is from South Africa originally and is of Indian descent. I guess it makes it more real to see that you know people that feel that way whereas i just don't see the Indian part. I guess it's the culture, my bfs family stay in their Indian community and don't know many white people either. He's going home for 6 weeks soon but I didn't want to go with him, it would be too much of a culture shock.

He says when he goes home to SA he doesn't feel safe, that you have to be more careful and do things very differently. He sleeps with a baseball bat under his bed and he says creaks in the house wake him up in case it's someone trying to get in. It's happened to his family before and they live in a relatively safe area.

I've told him I will NEVER EVER live in SA with him. For starters I'd stand out like a sore thumb in his community and secondly I wouldn't feel safe. Also, he constanly describes his relatives/friends as narrow-minded. They've never left SA and think that post-apartheid SA is what the world is like.

Not my cup of tea at all, or his really seeming as his immediate family emigrated.

Plus, the new ANC leader (I think) they elected admitted to having unprotected sex with women even though AIDS is rampant. He told people it was ok because he had a shower straight after!!! I mean if your leaders are that uneducated you need to change a few things.

ScumLord

OPENROAD wrote: »

The vast majority of England fans are not hooligans. And it would not be just England fans that would pose a threat,have you seen want Eastern European football fans are like. Just thought I would mention that.

I wouldn't say that. I was over in Birmingham working 2 years ago. We where staying over a pub and where awoken by sirens and shouting. The cops where escorting bus loads of soccer fans to a match, They're only allowed to travel by an organised bus they can't just travel up on they're own.

Some of the fans stayed in the pub to watch the match (about 5 of them). They where had the ol skin head look but where well dressed I wouldn't have taken them for scumbags at all if I'd seen them in the street. They spent the whole match screaming and shouting abuse at the tv. Every so often they'd kick of push a chair it was scary. After the match was over they settle right down and where normal again.

They got so worked up during the match they where turning nasty. You might say that's to be expected but you'd never see anything close to that in GAA matches. The owner of the pub said it was typical for English lads to turn nasty when supporting their local team.

newestUser

watna wrote: »

Plus, the new ANC leader (I think) they elected admitted to having unprotected sex with women even though AIDS is rampant. He told people it was ok because he had a shower straight after!!! I mean if your leaders are that uneducated you need to change a few things.

One in five of the South African adult population is HIV positive. There's something crazy like five or six million people who are HIV positive in the country. They've the worst AIDS epidemic in the world. Another reason to steer the f*ck clear.

Sir Gallagher

ScumLord wrote: »

I wouldn't say that. I was over in Birmingham working 2 years ago. We where staying over a pub and where awoken by sirens and shouting. The cops where escorting bus loads of soccer fans to a match, They're only allowed to travel by an organised bus they can't just travel up on they're own.

Some of the fans stayed in the pub to watch the match (about 5 of them). They where had the ol skin head look but where well dressed I wouldn't have taken them for scumbags at all if I'd seen them in the street. They spent the whole match screaming and shouting abuse at the tv. Every so often they'd kick of push a chair it was scary. After the match was over they settle right down and where normal again.

They got so worked up during the match they where turning nasty. You might say that's to be expected but you'd never see anything close to that in GAA matches. The owner of the pub said it was typical for English lads to turn nasty when supporting their local team.

I had to laugh at that post, you can't honestly base your opinion of English soccer fans on that story can you? I'm a Liverpool fan and i've been over a few times for matchdays and althouh there is nasty elements the atmosphere's electric and the whole city seems to be buzzing, I do think there's a big difference between supporting club and country over there though, because people support their clubs with so much passion it's hard for them all to get together and get behind the national team without looking like idiots! Be it through hooliganism or booing players/managers, it's funny really.

ScumLord

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I had to laugh at that post, you can't honestly base your opinion of English soccer fans on that story can you?

You just try and stop me.:cool: That's my only experience of English soccer fans so that's all I have to go on.

Sir Gallagher

ScumLord wrote: »

You just try and stop me.:cool: That's my only experience of English soccer fans so that's all I have to go on.

I'm not trying to stop anything, lol. I'm just saying that you obviously can't make a judgement on just one bad experience which didn't even sound that bad to be honest.

ScumLord

It wasn't that bad no I was just very surprised. They where bordering on violence and seemed like they could kick off at any second. Everyone in the pub (just the staff and us no one else would come near the place while they where in there) was on edge. Afterwards they went back to normal and noticed how on edge everyone was and left, under police escort.

tallaght01

I used to work in A+E in Johannesburg.

I have never seen so many shot people in my life.....and I worked in Glasgow for years

On my first day in Joburg, I had a patient who had been shot by his mate...because they were arguing over who was going to have his last cigarette. The guy ended up paralysed. All because of a cigarette.

It was literally like a war zone there.

Plug

eroo wrote: »

On average,there are 50 murders and 125 rapes in South Africa EVERYDAY!!!!!!!I couldn't believe it when I read the Irish Indo the other day when there was an article about the police commisioners link to a South African gangster..

And people say the US is bad...SA really puts things in proportion.

There all hungry down there, thats the prob.
How to solve you might ask?
Nuke them.

ScumLord

Plug wrote: »

There all hungry down there, thats the prob.
How to solve you might ask?
Nuke them.

That would take a microwave of unthinkable proportions

OPENROAD

ScumLord wrote: »

I wouldn't say that. I was over in Birmingham working 2 years ago. We where staying over a pub and where awoken by sirens and shouting. The cops where escorting bus loads of soccer fans to a match, They're only allowed to travel by an organised bus they can't just travel up on they're own.

Some of the fans stayed in the pub to watch the match (about 5 of them). They where had the ol skin head look but where well dressed I wouldn't have taken them for scumbags at all if I'd seen them in the street. They spent the whole match screaming and shouting abuse at the tv. Every so often they'd kick of push a chair it was scary. After the match was over they settle right down and where normal again.

They got so worked up during the match they where turning nasty. You might say that's to be expected but you'd never see anything close to that in GAA matches. The owner of the pub said it was typical for English lads to turn nasty when supporting their local team.

I would like to ask you how many matches do you normally attend in England. You had one experience and so you base it on that. Like anywhere, Ireland included you are always going to have minor trouble, I have heard reports from people attending GAA matches of trouble but not a mention in the media, yet our media will report incidents involving English football fans. I regularly attend matches in England, only missed one of our home matches last season, and in all those matches saw one very very minor incident, and it happened to involve a russian from an Executive box,throwing a small object at the home fans.Following my team home and abroad I have seen very liitle trouble over the years, in fact I would see more trouble in Dublin on a weekend night.

OPENROAD

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I had to laugh at that post, you can't honestly base your opinion of English soccer fans on that story can you? I'm a Liverpool fan and i've been over a few times for matchdays and althouh there is nasty elements the atmosphere's electric and the whole city seems to be buzzing, I do think there's a big difference between supporting club and country over there though, because people support their clubs with so much passion it's hard for them all to get together and get behind the national team without looking like idiots! Be it through hooliganism or booing players/managers, it's funny really.

Spot on imo, and as an Arsenal fan, some of the best away trips for me have been the Liverpool ones.

Cunny-Funt

Probably the most racist Country on the planet, but I still find it shocking.

elvis2002

Intersting. I'm going to South Africa on Sunday for some work thing for a week. Staying at a resort called the MonteCasino, heard its a cool place but we've been told we can't go outside the resort basically. Public transport is a no go area also.