ABP says no to Tesco

Bards

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Politicians in Kilkenny have slammed a decision by An Bord Pleanala to refuse planning permission for a Tesco store in the county.

They believe the store would of created up to 200 jobs and would of boosted the local economy.

The decision means that Kilkenny will remain the only county in Ireland with a Tesco branch.

Kilkenny County Council has already approved of the rezoning of land and has granted planning permission for the store in the town of Callan close to the Tipperary border.

But, objections from the owners of Super-Valu and one local resident were submitted to An Bord Pleanala.

Chariman of Kilkenny County Council Tom Maher said he was disappointed and claimed the vast majority of people wanted the store.

Stephen

ffs :mad:

Lump

There's too many supermarkets in Kilkenny already I say fair play

Lump

Also the Supervalue in John's Green would basically die if it opened in the Mart.

Stephen

They were talking about the super value in Callan, as that's where it was supposed to be going.

Plug

Lump wrote: »

There's too many supermarkets in Kilkenny already I say fair play

Its out in Callan, theres hardly too many supermarkets out there. Also the creation of 200 hundred jobs would be a biggie out in Callan.

ztoical

Lump wrote: »

There's too many supermarkets in Kilkenny already I say fair play

maybe but I prefer tesco's and drive to Carlow to shop at the one there. Would be nice to have one in the county.

Deliverance XXV

I for one would love to see the inclusion of a Tesco in Kilkenny.
More jobs is definitely a positive.

Firetrap

Feck sake. What the hell is Kilkenny's problem with Tesco? If you want to go down the morality line, they're no worse than Dunnes or Lidl who are already here. And the likes of Super Valu and Centra belong to giant retailing bodies as well. Tesco carries far more lines of stuff than Dunnes and their own brand goods are great. People in Kilkenny don't know what they're missing.

Does the Bord Pleanala decision mean that Tesco definitely will never come to Callan?

road_high

Co. Kilkenny has a shockingly poor supermarket selection. 35% of the grocery spend is spent OUTSIDE the county. that says it all. KK is perhaps unique in this.
Hope this is not the last we hear on the matter and common sense will prevail. I would like an ALDIor two also.

Cabaal

Plug wrote: »

Its out in Callan, theres hardly too many supermarkets out there. Also the creation of 200 hundred jobs would be a biggie out in Callan.

It would be very good for the town.

This is becoming a joke, in the whole of Kilkenny there's not one Tesco's and there's atleast Three in Waterford, I know Dunne's holds the monopoly in the City but you'd think Tesco's could setup shop else where in the county atleast.

This is just getting bloody annoying

At the end of the day Supervalue are objecting because it'll affect there bottom line, the other objector appears to be the filling station at the top of the town, he's objecting most likely based on that Tesco's could in the future open a filling station and this would kill him if they did.

The Supervalue in Callan is a joke, very poor stock all year around and the people running it shouldn't be allowed talk to staff, more then once I've seen a manager shout at staff infront of customers in a degrading manner....next time I see him do it I'm having a word with him infront of customers

The Chariman of Kilkenny County Council Tom Maher is correct to say the majority want this store,

mike65

Callan? What a strange location. I know the place well, the local SV is no great shakes (unless its got a revamp since I was last there) but Callan in small country town with poor east-west roads.

So where would the trade come from? Kilkenny folks won't be arsed to dive 20 mins to a supermarket as they have 3/4 good ones with a few mins drive. No-one will drive up from Carrick or Clonmel direction. So would be look to cash in on passing trade? The N route is quite busy but I have difficulty seeing it being enough.

Mike.

Plug

You'd be surprised the amount of people who would go from the city out to there. Just in the name of savings.

Lump

Surely you won't save that much if you factor in the petrol, and the 30-40 minute drive there and back. Time wasted is also valuable

John

Lump

Stephen wrote: »

They were talking about the super value in Callan, as that's where it was supposed to be going.

Oh right, for some reason I thought it was going in the mart.

JohnC.

Lump wrote: »

Surely you won't save that much if you factor in the petrol, and the 30-40 minute drive there and back. Time wasted is also valuable

Going by other Tescos I'm familiar with, parking would probably be free in Callan, unlike in the city for Dunnes. As for time driving, I suppose that would depend where you are starting from and what the traffic is like in the city centre versus the not so congested roads to Callan.

ztoical

mike65 wrote: »

Kilkenny folks won't be arsed to dive 20 mins to a supermarket as they have 3/4 good ones with a few mins drive.

Like I said earlier in the post I drive to the tesco in carlow to do my shopping and thats a good 30mins each way and I know a good few people who do as well or if not carlow they head down to waterford.

Lump

LIDL has free parking and is cheap

brettmirl

I live in Ashbourne, which has a SuperValu, Aldi, Lidl, Tesco and Dunnes.

I personally find Tesco the most expensive of the lot for my average weekly shop. Tesco do have some good special offers, but overall, I find SuperValu and Dunnes cheaper.

Firetrap

They're no worse than Dunnes and Superquinn. Their own brand stuff is much better than Dunnes and Superquinn and even their economy line isn't bad. They also have a wider range of food and sell lots of other things like flatscreen televisions, computers, DVDs, CDs, games, toys, sports equipment etc. Dunnes and Superquinn just don't have that.

lostexpectation

any interest in finding out why it was refused?

ztoical

Firetrap wrote: »

They're no worse than Dunnes and Superquinn. Their own brand stuff is much better than Dunnes and Superquinn and even their economy line isn't bad. They also have a wider range of food and sell lots of other things like flatscreen televisions, computers, DVDs, CDs, games, toys, sports equipment etc. Dunnes and Superquinn just don't have that.

Dunnes sell alot of that stuff now too, not that I'm defending them just I keep tripping over the massive tvs any time I have to go in there.

From the point of view of own brand products, esp the ready meals, Tescos are alot better at least for me as they do a huge veggie range that Dunnes just don't do.

In a perfect world I'd have an M&S open next door to me, they cost the most but their food is lovely.

Spocker

I think the majority of the build was going to be given over to a distribution centre (about 2/3rds) with the remainder being the shop itself.

mike65 wrote: »

Callan? What a strange location. I know the place well, the local SV is no great shakes (unless its got a revamp since I was last there) but Callan in small country town with poor east-west roads.

So where would the trade come from? Kilkenny folks won't be arsed to dive 20 mins to a supermarket as they have 3/4 good ones with a few mins drive. No-one will drive up from Carrick or Clonmel direction. So would be look to cash in on passing trade? The N route is quite busy but I have difficulty seeing it being enough.

Mike.

Cabaal

mike65 wrote: »

Callan? What a strange location. I know the place well, the local SV is no great shakes (unless its got a revamp since I was last there) but Callan in small country town with poor east-west roads.

So where would the trade come from? Kilkenny folks won't be arsed to dive 20 mins to a supermarket as they have 3/4 good ones with a few mins drive. No-one will drive up from Carrick or Clonmel direction. So would be look to cash in on passing trade? The N route is quite busy but I have difficulty seeing it being enough.

Callan covers a massive surrounding townland, Tesco's would do very well if they setup there.

What happens at the moment is everyone goes into Kilkenny, Waterford, Clonmel to do there shopping but if Tesco's was setup it would do a good trade as alot of these people would stop going elsewhere.

Callan is also turning into a big satalite town, alot of new housing estates (none council) and new industrial dev's have gone up in recent years mostly due to lower house costs then Kilkenny (your talking upto 80K+ difference for same size houses).

Supervalue has done got a refit during end of 2006 start of 2007 and its a big improvement now, hell you can now fit more then one person in a isle now

mike65

I did think about its future potential as a commuter town. Tesco are big enough to play a long game.

Mike.

belleangele

Shop local, support local producers and if in doubt grow your own. Cheap food is only cheap because people or land are being exploited somewhere along the line.

"Tesco now controls 30% of the grocery market in the UK. In 2007, the supermarket chain announced over £2.5 billion in profits. Growing evidence indicates that Tesco's success is partly based on trading practices that are having serious consequences for suppliers, farmers and workers worldwide, local shops and the environment"

for more info see: http://www.tescopoly.org/

Cabaal

mike65 wrote: »

I did think about its future potential as a commuter town. Tesco are big enough to play a long game.

Mike.

They certainly are, while I don't think they'd cause Supervalue to close they would affect its business.

trishw78

Personally I don't like Tesco. I think it's the work of the devil... Keep tesco out of Kilkenny

zootroid

personally I don't like Tesco either, but it's nice to have the option, and a bit of choice. I don't shop in Lidl, but am glad they're in kk purely because they offer something different

Peyton Manning

Sorry for reviving a zombie thread, but have heard today that Tesco have got the go ahead. Overheard a conversation at work, one of the women here got a text from a friend (who must have something to do with it, as the woman here said she asked her friend "Am I allowed tell people?"). From what I heard, it's going to be out near the cattle mart, and whatever the problem was last time has been cleared up and all they have to do is resubmit their applicate and it will be approved.

mousehouse

Well if this is true about time. It will save me having to drive to Clonmel every week to go to Tesco. And it will bring aload of jobs with it also. And before anyone goes on about all the shops that will close etc, they wont close if they are competitive in the first place and not ripping people off.

ft9

Brilliant, at least Teddy will be happy!

holyhead

Hello I for one would passionately oppose Tesco coming. I appreciate the choice arguement. However the jobs arguement is tosh. They will close so many places as to render the jobs arguement null and void.

If the go into the Mart site there will be traffic chaos and further endanger the retail life of the city centre. The city centre is still vibrant, not to the same extent as before due to economy, McDonagh Junction and retail parks. Lets not put the tin hat on it. In terms of traffic it would require the new road bypassing Greens bridge to be built. Would the building of that be at the cost of heritage?
If they go into Callan the retail life will be sucked out of the town centre.

We have em in Thurles, Carlow, Clonmel, New Ross, Portlaoise and Waterford.

The politicians are pushing for it for jobs and the rates revenue it would bring into the councils coffers.

We have Lidl, Aldi, Dunnes x 2, Superquinn, Centra, and Eurospar. Bloody mary how many more do people want.

catbear

Near the old or new cattlemart?

Peyton Manning

catbear wrote: »

Near the old or new cattlemart?

The old one I think, where the circus does be when it's in town.

pegasus1

holyhead wrote: »

We have Lidl, Aldi, Dunnes x 2, Superquinn, Centra, and Eurospar. Bloody mary how many more do people want.

the more the merrier, and are you one of these 'not in my back garden types'?
for one it will save on the amount of fuel that people use to go to the other tesco's ....
kilkenny is too small to have 2 large dunnes! talk about a monopoly setup they used to have..

holyhead

Pegasus,
Tesco have destroyed retail in places across the UK. A friend of mine had a small supermarket in a place in rural Ireland. He had to close recently because they locals were driving to Tesco. Tesco affects real people and costs real jobs. I wouldn't want Tesco in any back garden for the effect, mostly due to the damage that they have on retailers in smaller places. In England their is starting to be a backlash, albeit on a small scale, against them.
Tesco buy on a scale that virtually no other retailer can. An earlier poster said that if your competitive you'll be grand. Tesco will slowly eliminate choice by shutting down the opposition save Lidl, Aldi, Dunnes and some convenience stores may survive.

catbear

I see your friends problem, he's in a rural location. Like it or not trends of the last twenty years are in reverse, the end of cheap oil means more bulk shopping and that's where the market's heading. Why should anyone continue to pay more just to satisfy one merchant, it reminds me of that shop in Crookstown that wanted the motorway opening postponed until after christmas just for him.

Rural Ireland will continue to die, there are little or no jobs there and the construction jobs that were there were unsustainable.

Two Dunnes does nothing for Kilkenny.

holyhead

Catbear you are right. Two Dunnes in KK is nuts. M & S would have been a much more welcome addition. Not cheap granted but the food is class and something different.

Autosport

About time we finally get a Tesco in Kilkenny, I for one am delighted

Paigne

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Overheard a conversation at work, one of the women here got a text from a friend

If I tell this story I wonder will people believe me when i say "Oh, I heard it from a person on the internet who overheard a workmate hear it from a friend" :D

I'm looking forward to a Tesco nearby, but the traffic this will bring.... nightmare.....

catbear

Paigne wrote: »

I'm looking forward to a Tesco nearby, but the traffic this will bring.... nightmare.....

Initially yes, but quickly that traffic will be further dispersed between all the stores. I was really amazed by how busy Aldi was on the waterford road was for the first few weeks and then it just settled down. Lidl across the road wasn't as packed as it used to be but both businesses are humming along now.

Bootsy.

Oh no

Holyhead is dead right.

Not that anyone gives a f*ck :mad:

http://www.tescopoly.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=4&Itemid=176

catbear

The case made in that link could be applied to any large scale retailer. For years Pepsi said the greatest advertising saving they made on a yearly basis was not having to fight negitive press as everyone was campaigning against CokeCola leaving them to free to do essentially the same thing but with a different taste.

Some dogs like chasing cars.

fabbydabby

I agree with holyhead. The jobs arguement is complete cack. In fact it will probably COST jobs since, (for example), the veg dept. in a larger supermarket might have the same turnover as three local veg shops, yet only takes one manager to run, and revenue will further dissapear from local shops and suppliers towards high volume cheaper centralised distribution.

That's big business, caplitalism and globalisation for you. You can't cherry pick, you have to take the rough with the smooth; the same people who are becoming friends with Bobs Local Butchers on facebook are ordering their tesco shopping online.

Innit?

hi5

But the big question is 'will there be free parking'?:)

road_high

Anybody in the new Tesco in Portlaoise? It's absolutely MASSIVE. I was shocked at the sheer size of it to be honest. I think it was very poor planning myself and will absolutely suck the life out of all other smaller supermarkets in the town and county. Not something I would like to see in KK. Reckon it's bigger than all of Kieran St Dunnes put together. A normal size Tesco like the one in Carlow would be fine but I'd be very opposed to something like that. Personally I don't shop in Tesco I have to say though, prefer Superquinn and Aldi/Lidl.

toe_knee

Carlo has a Tescos, Supervalu, Superquinn, Dunnes and all the other smaller supermarkets mentioned and have done for quiet a while. I haven't seen an jobs loss due to a new shop openings, just job creation. So why not take a leaf from our neighbours and let Tescos open and create these much needed jobs in this current climate

pegasus1

fabbydabby wrote: »

I agree with holyhead. The jobs arguement is complete cack. In fact it will probably COST jobs since, (for example), the veg dept. in a larger supermarket might have the same turnover as three local veg shops, yet only takes one manager to run, and revenue will further dissapear from local shops and suppliers towards high volume cheaper centralised distribution.

since there is already 8 supermarkets not counting a eurospar....there is already this competition..
what tescos bring, if they are indeed coming is further choice...that is all and a reduction in the massive hold that dunnes have over the town, which has been already reduced by the 4 aldi/lidl shops...

fabbydabby

Indeed, but surely you must agree that diluting an already saturated market with a hugely efficient retailer does nothing for local jobs?

catbear

fabbydabby wrote: »

Indeed, but surely you must agree that diluting an already saturated market with a hugely efficient retailer does nothing for local jobs?

Someone might think you're saying that Kilkenny people are incapable of being efficient in their work. Tut, tut. Down with that efficiency stuff, bleeding outsiders with their competitive ways. Kilkenny inefficiency for Kilkenny people, protect your monopolists now! (I'm being sarcastic.)