VRT & Extras

s_gr

Hi,

I went to vrt my bmw only to find out that they now send the chassis number to rosslare so they can check with BMW for extras.

I never heard of this before and previously this was a visual inspection. Did anyone have similar experiences or is this new. It was santry vro office which i went to.

s_gr

Shigsy

Got the exact same thing on Monday with my Elise in the Tallaght office. I'm assuming it's just to get a list of the spec that should be on the car, then when you bring the car for the physical inspection they compare the list to the car to see if you have any extras on the car that are not standard for that model.

s_gr

Shigsy wrote: »

Got the exact same thing on Monday with my Elise in the Tallaght office. I'm assuming it's just to get a list of the spec that should be on the car, then when you bring the car for the physical inspection they compare the list to the car to see if you have any extras on the car that are not standard for that model.

Hi Shigsy,

I have just received the fax with the breakdown and they want €700 euro more off me... a pain but looks like no way around it anymore. It must be a new procedure as before it was purely visual inspection

s_gr

NBar

I have been there last year with a fully loaded BMW and they also have access to Mercedes as well for extras anybody know of what other makes they have full access to. They are only really interested in extras on a car up to 3 years olds after that I don't think they really care

zing

s_gr wrote: »

Hi Shigsy,

I have just received the fax with the breakdown and they want €700 euro more off me... a pain but looks like no way around it anymore. It must be a new procedure as before it was purely visual inspection

s_gr

Mind me asking what extras were on the car and what model ? Am looking to bring in a 520i or 525i within the next 2 months and just looking for a ball park idea as to how much extra I need to factor in for vrt.

RedorDead

NBar wrote: »

I have been there last year with a fully loaded BMW and they also have access to Mercedes as well for extras anybody know of what other makes they have full access to. They are only really interested in extras on a car up to 3 years olds after that I don't think they really care

They have access to Audis system also for the past 6 months or so.

cbyrne

Yep, I've been caught on both audi and BMW. Was hit for €1700 on a 520D M Sport, think extras were leather and the audio/bluetooth pack thing. Kinda was expecting it but hoping not!
you an call them with the VIN first and they will come back to you with the quote before you go.
Annoying thing too is that some of the 'standard' options in the UK are not standard in Ireland/.

cashmni1

That is discraceful. What kind of country do we now live in? €1700 on top of an already illigal tax......
WTF

s_gr

zing wrote: »

Mind me asking what extras were on the car and what model ? Am looking to bring in a 520i or 525i within the next 2 months and just looking for a ball park idea as to how much extra I need to factor in for vrt.

06 320D M Sport - Extra metallic paint, alloys, xenon lights, Headlight washers. Thats was all the extras it had.

DaveD

I VRT'd an E46 M3 on friday with Santry vro and they didn't check any of the extras. Didn't even look at the car tbh !

s_gr

I think there is a cut off of 3 years, after which they dont charge for the extras, i could be wrong.

fabsoul

DaveD wrote: »

I VRT'd an E46 M3 on friday with Santry vro and they didn't check any of the extras. Didn't even look at the car tbh !

On a M3 they would STD.

Guy:Incognito

Shigsy wrote: »

Got the exact same thing on Monday with my Elise in the Tallaght office. I'm assuming it's just to get a list of the spec that should be on the car, then when you bring the car for the physical inspection they compare the list to the car to see if you have any extras on the car that are not standard for that model.

Did you not tell them your list of extras (or as we call them, carpets)? ie none.

MarkR

VRT'd *spit* a '04 avensis last week, didn't ask about extras or inspect car. Didn't have any to begin with but that's beside the point.

unkel

Not a nice suprise if the VRT works out more than the online calculator. But having said that, the VRT payable is based on the open market selling price. The OMSP is higher if there are desirable options in the car like leather seats, etc. so the VRT will be higher

MarkR wrote: »

VRT'd *spit* a '04 avensis last week, didn't ask about extras or inspect car

That's consistent with what s_gr said about the cut off point of 3 years

Tipsy Mac

cashmni1 wrote: »

That is discraceful. What kind of country do we now live in? €1700 on top of an already illigal tax......
WTF

Exactly, I will be expressing my love of EU free trade when they are seeking my vote for the EU Treaty coming soon by telling them to go fcuk themselves.

colm_mcm

MarkR wrote: »

VRT'd *spit* a '04 avensis last week, didn't ask about extras or inspect car. Didn't have any to begin with but that's beside the point.

Most extras on Avensis are dealer fitted and wouldn't show up on chassis number. UK models are usually well specced as standard, leaving the likes of satnav, park assist and leather as the common extras

ninty9er

cashmni1 wrote: »

That is discraceful. What kind of country do we now live in? €1700 on top of an already illigal tax......
WTF

How many times....theres' NOTHING illegal about VRT. If it was a tax applied for importing within the EU it would be, BUT it's not.

This is an interesting development though....I'd like to know how much, if anything, it cost to get access to the Audi chassis no. system?

daveirl

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Guy:Incognito

daveirl wrote: »

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Firstly, In it's original form it was a FG introduction, but thats neither here nor there.

"essentially is" means nothing. Were talking illegal, black and white, and it isnt illegal. The arguement about whether or not it should be in place is a different one (I wouldnt support getting rid) but as far as the eu law is concerned , its not illegal.

How does it only apply to certain registrations anyway?

greatdeeds

Stekelly wrote: »

Firstly, In it's original form it was a FG introduction, but thats neither here nor there.

"essentially is" means nothing. Were talking illegal, black and white, and it isnt illegal. The arguement about whether or not it should be in place is a different one (I wouldnt support getting rid) but as far as the eu law is concerned , its not illegal.

It is an illegal tax. Its also a form of double taxation. Europe have repeatedly slapped our wrist over it.

If you got sum tax supremo along with sum dude with bags loads of cash they cud challenge it..and eventually come out the winner...

ninty9er

daveirl wrote: »

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As Stekelly said the import duty type was originally introduced by FG, but the readjustment for EMU was a Fianna Fáil policy decision as the country is not able to run without it.

But it's not illegal. Talk to the Danes about registration taxes!!! theirs make your average Yaris cost the equivalent of €21k ++

DundalkDuffman

I was in getting mine vrt'd on Monday, the guy processing my motor got a phonecall. Bentley Continental GT which someone was importing was about to have 21,000 yoyos as a vrt cost of the extras, think it was 268,000 that he said to his mate on the phone as a value, didn't want to look too interested though! Very much how the other half lives :rolleyes:

unkel

Technically it is not illegal, but in the spirit of the EU it is. It is nothing but a replacement of the old import duty just before that one did become illegal:

"At the moment, VAT is payable on the price of the vehicle inclusive of excise duty. However, because the new tax will be excluded from the VAT base, the VAT payable will be lower. In order to recover the VAT on the excise element which would otherwise be lost, the nominal VRT rate will have to be higher than the nominal excise rate being replaced" - Bertie in '92 while replacing the illegal excise duty with VRT just in time

Seth Brundle

ninty9er wrote: »

How many times....theres' NOTHING illegal about VRT. If it was a tax applied for importing within the EU it would be, BUT it's not.

Exactly. The minister who introduced VRT is an expert in the legalities of taxation!

unkel

kbannon wrote: »

Exactly. The minister who introduced VRT is an expert in the legalities of taxation!

A cunning & devious expert!

JHMEG

Did I hear that he recently said his tax was all up to date, only for the Revenue to say they've not heard anything from him, only for him to reply that his tax advisers are all up to date?

99er and stekelly, this is a motoring forum where more people prefer cars to Fianna Fail, so.... trying to defend anything that's perceived as anti-car or anti-motorist will not go down well.

Feelgood

s_gr wrote: »

Hi,

I went to vrt my bmw only to find out that they now send the chassis number to rosslare so they can check with BMW for extras.

I never heard of this before and previously this was a visual inspection. Did anyone have similar experiences or is this new. It was santry vro office which i went to.

s_gr

I got stung for this on a 320D a few months ago also...

Basically anything that doesn't as standard you are going to get taxed on...

18" Alloys aren't standard
Sunroof isn't standard
Leather seats aren't standard.
Wood trim etc etc.

its not a whole pile extra, maybe 5 - 600 depending on the spec you have...

JHMEG

When I was paying VRT on the Accord there was a lad at the booth beside me who had brought in a BMW. The lady dealing with him was full of "ah no, I have to see it, I have to see what extras it has. Have you a list of the extras from BMW?". The lady dealing with me wasn't interested in the Accord, only in my money.

E92

It's because of Fianna Fáil and Bertie Ahern that we have VRT. Its rubbish and completely untrue to say VRT was introduced by Fine Gael.

JHMEG

E92 wrote: »

It's because of Fianna Fáil

Please, leave out the fada.. it makes me feel better.;)

ninty9er

E92 wrote: »

It's because of Fianna Fáil and Bertie Ahern that we have VRT. Its rubbish and completely untrue to say VRT was introduced by Fine Gael.

While technically true, the spirit of it was introduced by FG as excise duty....IICI :D

Guy:Incognito

ninty9er wrote: »

While technically true, the spirit of it was introduced by FG as excise duty....IICI :D

Give Bertie a shout and get him to change VAT to VBT and Income tax to Wages tax then he can be blamed for introducign those too.

unkel

Like I posted, Bertie "converted" the excise duty into VRT. Many politicians then and now are guilty of screwing us motorists. Whoever voted them into power is to blame. Want change? Vote for someone else next time. That's enough politics in the motors forum for a while, methinks...

Guy:Incognito

unkel wrote: »

Like I posted, Bertie "converted" the excise duty into VRT. Many politicians then and now are guilty of screwing us motorists. Whoever voted them into power is to blame. Want change? Vote for someone else next time. That's enough politics in the motors forum for a while, methinks...

Thing about change is, in this case it wont happen. Does anyone honestly believe that if Enda Kenny was in charge now, we wouldnt be paying VRT or making up the difference elswhere?

As has been covered numerous times before if theres no VRT the slack has to be picked up elswhere, and in the end we'll probably end up paying more afterwards because whoever gets rid of it will big it up as them beign great while "only" adding "a couple of percentage here" and "a few cents there" to various other things.

unkel

Stekelly wrote: »

f theres no VRT the slack has to be picked up elswhere

Indeed. Now take a hint will y'all? Politics in the politics forum for the moment please

JHMEG

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. Now take a hint will y'all? Politics in the politics forum for the moment please

It would be nice if politics and motoring had nothing to do with each other. Like in the US where cars and fuel are subject to sales tax only, like everything else. Or even in the UK where cars are subject only to VAT.

This being Ireland, where indirect taxation is quite heavy, means that motors and politics will cannot be entirely seperated. Which means politics is gonna come up here from time to time.

unkel

JHMEG wrote: »

Which means politics is gonna come up here from time to time.

True. We've just had a bit too much of it lately imho. Especially with party political broadcasts being puked all over some threads. A bit less of that is all I'm saying. At least for the moment

cantdecide

unkel wrote: »

That's consistent with what s_gr said about the cut off point of 3 years

Anyone know if this is officially true or is it a rule of thumb and I'm likely to trounced by some officious twat with a 5 yr old car??

Irishboy29

Open market selling price includes car price + vrt+21% vat on top.
Revenue chager vrt on top of car price + vrt+21% vat.

In effect you are paying vrt twice.

so it's a tax on a tax on a tax. I would say its triple taxation and not just double taxation.

what_car

ninty9er wrote: »

How many times....theres' NOTHING illegal about VRT. If it was a tax applied for importing within the EU it would be, BUT it's not.

This is an interesting development though....I'd like to know how much, if anything, it cost to get access to the Audi chassis no. system?

i suppose theres nothing illegal bout not declaring tax too??
and sending /using fakey invoices?

that FF party brought it in..(VRT). theres no end to the ****e FF and their cronies and lick arse supporters will ****e....talk bout,

the same partys leader doesent have a tax compliance certificate... its a total joke,

what_car

Stekelly wrote: »

Give Bertie a shout and get him to change VAT to VBT and Income tax to Wages tax then he can be blamed for introducign those too.

the sooner he resigns and hangs his head in shame the better:D:)

gangsters the lot in FF:D:D

Ta me anseo

So what's the general consensus? Does 3 years old appear to be the cut off for chargeable extras?

VRT is a rotten way of getting money out of poor Irish drivers. Yet I am resigned to the fact that if VRT was abolished, we would be spending through the nose for some other element of road use. Petrol would probably go to 5 euro a litre! (Might not be that far away anyway!!)

cantdecide

Irishboy29 wrote: »

Open market selling price includes car price + vrt+21% vat on top.
Revenue chager vrt on top of car price + vrt+21% vat.

In effect you are paying vrt twice.

so it's a tax on a tax on a tax. I would say its triple taxation and not just double taxation.

Someone posted recently that the 30% rate is actually 42% on top of VAT and whatever else they can think up.

What will that make the new 35% rate?

wjc

Thinking of bringing in 4 year old Volvo XC90 from main dealer in NI/UK. VRT due on calculator works out at about 12.5k. If I produce it at office are they likely to just charge me that figure and have a quick look over it or are they going to get the vin no. and ship it off to Volvo for list of extras (not much extra on it apart from leather and rear parking sensors) and screw me accordingly. Any advice?

Matt Simis

Ta me anseo wrote: »

So what's the general consensus? Does 3 years old appear to be the cut off for chargeable extras?

Bumping this as I brought in a '04 VW Phaeton to VRT on Friday. They did the visual inspection (given she had no idea what it was) but insisted on sending the details to Rosslare as its a "high spec car" and they may be "audited". She went through an extras list then and there, basically everything on the list was ticked given its a Phaeton. I explained twice that they are standard on this car and cannot be called "extras", but was told the form must be filled out.

They already wanted EUR14.9k VRT on it based on the standard Phaeton V10 spec, IMO the OMSP was way too high (its not a desirable or popular car, hence the great 2nd hand value). Problem here is that there are likely about 5 in the country and I cant compare the price to anything to contest it.

Ill hear back on Tuesday (maybe) on how much more they think they are owed. :mad:

Mylow

To add insult to injury I know someone who paid VRT on car then had call from revenue a couple of weeks later for VRT on extra's....€17k...I am not going to say what the car was, but I am sure you can guess it was a high end car. He had already paid €29k in VRT on the car.

Revenue can get list of extra's fitted to car from all the manufacturers/distributors. They are only more than happy to oblige.

Bee

ninty9er wrote: »

How many times....theres' NOTHING illegal about VRT. If it was a tax applied for importing within the EU it would be, BUT it's not.

This is an interesting development though....I'd like to know how much, if anything, it cost to get access to the Audi chassis no. system?

VRT is an illegal TAX! Obviously it suits the mindset of the FF'ers and their PD?Green cronies as it is disguised as a stealth tax.

http://www.irishdrivers.org/

http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0919/VRT.html

The European Court of Justice has ruled that aspects of vehicle registration tax constitute a form of double taxation and are therefore illegal under the EU treaty.
The ruling came after a Finnish citizen took a case against his own government.

He claimed that by levying vehicle registration tax on a used car he had imported into Finland, the government was taxing the same product twice, because the tax ignored the value of the tax already paid on the car in another member state.

AdvertisementThe court ruled that the VRT law in Finland conflicts with the EU treaty, and is illegal. The ruling may affect the operation of VRT in Ireland, which also charges high rates of VRT.

The European Commission two weeks ago called for the abolition of vehicle registration tax.

The Commission said in the interim, states should ensure that their VRT systems did not discriminate by imposing a double taxation burden on motorists importing second hand cars from other member states

Matt Simis

Mylow wrote: »

To add insult to injury I know someone who paid VRT on car then had call from revenue a couple of weeks later for VRT on extra's....€17k...I am not going to say what the car was, but I am sure you can guess it was a high end car. He had already paid €29k in VRT on the car.

Revenue can get list of extra's fitted to car from all the manufacturers/distributors. They are only more than happy to oblige.

That cant be correct, the extras would be added to the OMSP, then reduced for age of car then the percentage of the new total would be worked out. For the extras alone to account for such a high number they would need to be worth over half the total car value.

And why wont you state the exact car type? We dont know your friend (or care)!