VN New Year Pokerfest €10,000 Gauranteed

VEGAS NIGHTS

V.N. New Year
Pokerfest

White Sands Hotel, Portmarnock, Co Dublin

Main Event

Sat 19th & Sun 20th Jan
€100 FREEZOUT

€10,000
Gauranteed

Dealers on all Tables Throughout

Chips - 10,000
Blinds - 35min blind levels for two days
Prize pool - Min €10,000. (€14,000 estimated)
Reg - From 1:30pm
Game starts - 2pm
Reg fee - €40 (includes Hot Fingerfood lunch both days)


Blind structure:
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
Break
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1K
700/1.5K
1K/2K
etc.

2nd Event

Sun 2oth Jan €70 freezout (one day)

Dealers on all tables throughout

Chips - 6,000
Blinds - 30 min levels
Prizepool - €7,500 (estimated)
Reg - 2pm
Game starts 3pm
Reg fee - +€15

Single Table Tournaments available all weekend
€10, €20, €30, €50.

Satellite games for Event 2 available on Saturday.
10 players @ €15 per player. Tickets for 1st and 2nd


Residential Package
This package includes:

Saturday night accommodation
Hot Fingerfood lunch on Saturday
Hot Carvery Dinner on Saturday evening
Entertainment in pub
Breakfast on Sunday morning
Hot Carvery Lunch on Sunday afternoon
Hot Fingerfood bufet on Sunday evening
And your entry into €100 Freezout main event

Total cost including tournament entry
€245

3. Date/Location : Sat 19th & Sun 20th Jan / White Sands Hotel, Portmarnock
4. Registration/Start Time : Reg from 1:30pm, game starts 2pm very sharp
5. Any prerequisites? : No
6. Ticket purchasing details : Contact 087 9955669
7. Type of Tournament : NL Texas Holdem
8. Cost of entry/rebuys/top-ups : Entry €100 Freezout + Reg
9. Cost of registration : +€40 for non-residential. +€145 for residential
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund : All the €100's
11. Any guarenteed prize pool? : €10,000
12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blindlevels : No rebuys
13. Starting Chips : 10,000
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts :
15. Blind levels :
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
Break
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1000
700/1500
1000/2000
etc....
16. Blind timeframes : 35mis throughout
17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash : aprox 10% of field and all cash prizes
18. Dealers? : Dealer delt throughout
19. Documented list of rules? :Yes
20. Is there a tournament director? : Nick O'Hara
21. How are disputes handled? : TD has final say

Tallamuner

will defo play this.

Flushdraw

Nick i'm not really getting this,,Can you summarise it mate.

€100 FO with a €40 reg,,That cant be right? Or is that covering all the extras?

VEGAS NIGHTS

Flushdraw wrote: »

Nick i'm not really getting this,,Can you summarise it mate.

€100 FO with a €40 reg,,That cant be right? Or is that covering all the extras?

Hey Tony,

The tournament is €100 + €40 Reg

This may seem high but after you take out two lunches @ €7.50 each and the cost of dealers @ roughly €15 per player in the tournament that only leaves €10. Not unreasonable??

I agree that €40 on top of €100 is high but I can't run a two day tournament with dealers for anything less. The residential package is is a lot better value being €245 all inclusive.

Please let me know your further thoughts on this.

Marq

Vegas Nights run great tournaments and I'd like to play this but I just can't bring myself to play a tournament with such high reg. Sorry Nick.

derek2222_ie

Marq wrote: »

Vegas Nights run great tournaments and I'd like to play this but I just can't bring myself to play a tournament with such high reg. Sorry Nick.

I am in the same boat as this Nick, I play all your big games and I have nothing but praise for the way they are run. But a 40% reg fee is way too high.

I understand that the costs involved are high but I have never heard of such a high reg before. Most players will not survive day 1 and will therefore not require lunch the second day.

Just my two cent worth, I wont be playing with such a high reg.

Mont

40% Reg is very high - perhaps you should have made it €200 buy-in

JoeyJJ

Yeah also put off by the reg fee a little.

If your not going to change or cant maybe if the player plays both games the reg would be 55euro, maybe scrap reg for 70 game for players that played in main game.

VEGAS NIGHTS

Hi,

I do appreciate your views on this and agree that €40 is a high reg fee. I have explained the breakdown of that €40. I am open to all suggestions surrounding this but please bare in th following.

Dealer schedule:
(Based on 120 players. Main event only)

Day 1
2pm to 7pm..........16 dealers............75 hours
7pm to 10pm.........10 dealers...........30 hours

Day 2
1:30pm to 6:30pm.........7 dealers......35hrs
6:30pm to 9:30pm.........3 dealers.......9hrs
9:30pm to 11:30pm.......2 dealers.......4hrs

Total 153 hrs @ €10 per hour €1,530
Based on 120 players works out at €13 per player in the room.

I have booked bufet lunches for Saturday and Sunday @ €7.50 each (€15)

There are smaller additional expenses on top of this @ aprox €2 pp

As I said I do appreciate where you are comming from but I don't see how this can be run for less.

If this was a €200 or €300 game the feg fee would still be the same and therefor better value. Most of the regular VN players wouldn't play a €200 or €300 game and this is their anual big game.

Any comments welcome

Lao Lao

This may seem a tad bit obvious but scrap the buffet lunches for both days, if players want food, the can organise something themselves, that would bring the reg fee down to 25 nicker, I'd like to play but to be honest the €40 reg fee is putting me off

prendy

so if i get knocked out on saturday theres still a lunch paid for on sunday?
whats the point in that??

stevire

I think a €15 reg fee max would be sufficient...

€13 for dealers and €2 for other expenses.

Let everyone get there own food if its working out as expensive as that

89Suited

I would also be interested in playing this, but like everyone else has said 40 blips is far too much. i understand completely where your coming from Nick.

I think you could knock the food on the head and let people look after themselves if thats the case. Would take your costs down alot and theres tons of places to get food around the hotel area.
Just a suggestion . I know I wouldnt mind grabbing food for myself.

Ollieboy

Firstly, Nick runs a great game and its a very good day out.

Secondly, most of Nicks market is not this forum, so lets go easy on him.

Finally, its impossible for a business person to run a game in a hotel with dealers and food and make a decent profit. Reg in this country in general as been very cheap, I always wonder how a casino can justify paying staff to deal for 8 hours and than make money from a 10% reg. I'm guessing that the side action is where the casino's make the money. At the VN games there is very little cash action if any at all.

So when you add up rent, equipment, dealers, staff and food €40 is very cheap, just expensive in relation to a 100 game. Hence the reason any game outside a casino should be 500 game at minimum. This is market forces guys and not someone trying to make a buck. The days of 10% reg games are well over. GJP were charging 15% register fee when they were in the hotel too.

So for value for the regular player the casino is the best option. If you want a good day out, than go to this game and enjoy it for what it is. I wont be attending for a hosts of reason, but I wish you gl with it Nicky.

Maybe dropping dealers is a option and scrapping food the 2nd day.

derek2222_ie

Lao Lao wrote: »

This may seem a tad bit obvious but scrap the buffet lunches for both days, if players want food, the can organise something themselves,

.

"If your not going to change or cant maybe if the player plays both games the reg would be 55euro, maybe scrap reg for 70 game for players that played in main game"

dont know if this is feasible, but not a bad idea as I would play both days

califano

With a 2pm start time im surprised why it cant finish in one day?. Strict start time, 30 mins first 3 levels and shorter and less frequent breaks should help achieve this. Along with a 100% likelyhood of a deal being struck.

If it was a one day event it would cut the costs a lot. Also you could possibly negotiate a cheaper price on hotel room hire if you tell them you are not providing food so the hotel can make more profit on their bar food and drink. Even though the location is handy for me i wouldnt be big into playing a E100 game over 2 long days myself, i would play if it was a one dayer for a 100 game.

You run a great game and i wouldnt complain about any non club game guarenteeing 10k with food over 2 days for E40 reg as a twice yearly thing perhaps. Players can decide on that themselves.

btw these are just comments for future consideration, im know things cant be changed so close to the event.

connie147

I can certainly understand the figures you've put out for all to see. We were only talking about this the other day and we believe that offering free food out of a small reg is no longer viable. By all means do a deal with the hotel to get a good price for the players(€7.50 looks good value), and let the players pay for it themselves. They wont look at it as being a reg fee. Food inflates the reg fee which leads to players cribbing. Operators who run games in hotels/bars should let the players to feed themselves. Its an expense that cant really be carried out of a normal reg fee.

I was in Vegas before Xmas and the reg fees they take out of the tournaments is huge,and not a single complaint.(and no food supplied).

Flushdraw

Hi Nick,

Just wondering why you dont run this game in the casino?

I dont think anyone is arguing with the cost of running an event outside a casino and how hard it is to cover the costs. I think the main point is that most players that play poker on a regular basis can get a €100 game for a €10 reg so when you see a €40 reg it stands out like a spare thumb!

But as you said, its aimed more at your regulars and i'm sure the majority will be willing to play the game esp. with the guarantee you're offering.

VN put on a good event and i'm sure it will a success for everyone involved. gl with it

PokerEventsSeán

Ollieboy wrote: »

Firstly, Nick runs a great game and its a very good day out.

Secondly, most of Nicks market is not this forum, so lets go easy on him.

Finally, its impossible for a business person to run a game in a hotel with dealers and food and make a decent profit." END QUOTE


Ollieboy has hit the nail on the head here big time,

As everyone knows that Nick runs a smashing game, and this tournament will be of the same top quality that you would expect from the VN team. ok €40 is a bit steep in a lot of peoples eyes, but Nick has not got the outlets for making money as the Casinos (blackjack, roulette, CASH GAMES) but as Ollieboy has said Nick is running a business and has to make a certain percentage margin.
I very rarely post on here regarding any of the games that I do, as a small minority of people on boards will actually compare casino games to pub games regarding value for money when they are completely different ball game to run. There is also a tiny % of that minority of people that post here are habitual moaners and will never ever be happy regardless what you do.

Best of Luck Nick,

I will do my utmost to get out there next Saturday.

Seán

YULETIRED

COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY.

I think when an organiser puts his facts and figures down like that, it's up to you to decide if you want to play or not and not badger the guy over how he is setting up the tournament.

[SIZE=+0]He is guaranteeing 10K and supplying two lunches and dealers in a hotel tournament. He is not travelling the country with weekly games with a 40% reg charge. THis is a big VN event and he wants to provide some frills by the looks of it. Either support it or not. If I can get free I will attend, got a dinner planned at the moment and the 2 day thing is more akward for me....howerver here are the pros and cons as I see it. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Pros[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]10K guaranteed[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Lunch x 2 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Dealers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]allegedly softer game than a casino[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]you can also have a social beer as you play[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]It's an event as opposed to a regular game so good athmosphere and a bit of craic.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]You will not be tempted to play any side blackjack or roulette games on your tourny break (a hidden casino charge for the degens like me) . [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Cons[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Straight 30 Euro more expensive than a casino..[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Oh yeah, the TD needs a haircut badly, it's not the 70s Nick. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]rgds[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Willie C[/SIZE]

califano

YULETIRED wrote: »

it's up to you to decide if you want to play or not and not badger the guy over how he is setting up the tournament.

In fairness Willie he asked for input and i think the input in this thread in general has been very constructive.

YULETIRED

rounders123 wrote: »

In fairness Willie he asked for input and i think the input in this thread in general has been very constructive.

I take your point.

califano

YULETIRED wrote: »

In fairness I take your point.

You dont like the term 'in fairness'. Understood!.

WayneD1982

Listen,a day away from the women is good enough for me!!
Nick can u pay on the day or do u need to prebuy a ticket?

VEGAS NIGHTS

Well..........

Some interesting points and thanks for them all.

I'm playing with the idea of an optional "no food registration".

Due to hotel restrictions the game must break at 10pm on day one.....this cannot be changed so it will be a two day event. One of the main reasons for the structure of this game is for a social dimension in the evening.....Tournament breaks at 9:30pm, shower and change for dinner followed by drinks in the residents lounge till 5am. A large number of players will be staying in the hotel.

The full residential package for this game is quite good value.......

Residential Package
This package includes:

Saturday night accommodation
Hot Fingerfood lunch on Saturday
Hot Carvery Dinner on Saturday evening
Entertainment in pub
Breakfast on Sunday morning
Hot Carvery Lunch on Sunday afternoon
Hot Fingerfood bufet on Sunday evening
And your entry into €100 Freezout main event

Total cost including tournament entry

€245

If players would be interested in a "no food reg fee" I can organise something with the hotel in this regard. The cost of dealers still remains at €13 and an additional €2 in sundry expenses per player also exists. With this in mind, a "no food reg fee" would cost €20.

Any comments??

Ollieboy

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote: »

Well..........

Some interesting points and thanks for them all.

I'm playing with the idea of an optional "no food registration".

Due to hotel restrictions the game must break at 10pm on day one.....this cannot be changed so it will be a two day event. One of the main reasons for the structure of this game is for a social dimension in the evening.....Tournament breaks at 9:30pm, shower and change for dinner followed by drinks in the residents lounge till 5am. A large number of players will be staying in the hotel.

The full residential package for this game is quite good value.......

Residential Package
This package includes:

Saturday night accommodation
Hot Fingerfood lunch on Saturday
Hot Carvery Dinner on Saturday evening
Entertainment in pub
Breakfast on Sunday morning
Hot Carvery Lunch on Sunday afternoon
Hot Fingerfood bufet on Sunday evening
And your entry into €100 Freezout main event

Total cost including tournament entry

€245

If players would be interested in a "no food reg fee" I can organise something with the hotel in this regard. The cost of dealers still remains at €13 and an additional €2 in sundry expenses per player also exists. With this in mind, a "no food reg fee" would cost €20.

Any comments??

is the 245 per person or for 2 people sharing a room?

Have to say this is great value.

derek2222_ie

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If players would be interested in a "no food reg fee" I can organise something with the hotel in this regard. The cost of dealers still remains at €13 and an additional €2 in sundry expenses per player also exists. With this in mind, a "no food reg fee" would cost €20.

Any comments??[/QUOTE]


Nick I would definitely be interested in this option, I would certainly play if the reg was €20

Can you let us know if this option happens

Cheers

Phil-Dublin

Hi Nick
i was going to PM you on this but decided to be open instead,

as usual al the moaney feckers come to the top and the silent majority will vote with their feet

i cant help wondering if these guys are trying to put people off as part of a hidden agenda or have recognised that it could be easier to win if these forum posters didnt show up, then arrive and hopefully slam dunk the field

personally i believe you have been very open and honest here,

if people wanna play, then fine
if they dont, then why cast aspersions and slag the event
if they cant afford it, then simply shut up and go away

i will be there and tell plenty about it too, mind you 140 smackeroos is chicken feed to me, and maybe its all a bit too much for the moaners,

isnt it great to have an excuse to say, count me out, thats bloody marvellous support for a guy that is doing his best
of course Nick, you have to also realise that if you were to give these guys 40 for turning up and guaranteed 20k in prizes, they still wouldnt be happy
they would be asking, where's the catch and still looking for a business cost analyses structure and how much you spent on underwear last year

oh yeah, it's so easy to sit on the sidelines and Nicky-Bash, when these bozos never organised anything in their life, other than how to write anonymously (prolly spelled incorrectly) and have a go at anyone trying to be successful

would you prefer a non dealer dealt non food tourney, with a 1500 starting stack and 10 minute blinds?? no, of course not, so either put up or shut up,

oh, and is there anyone out there talking this down because they are involved with another event on the same dates?

hmmm,,,,

if you want any help on the day, setting up etc, so as to reduce costs, just pm all the above posters and i'm positive you wouldnt see them for dust

the silence would be deafening

clearly you are going to make a fortune off the backs of these players, why dont you run these things at cost? you old meany, ok so you go broke, but at least you keep the boardsies happy while you sink

yours anonomously (prolly spelled incorrectly)
Phil

derek2222_ie

"oh yeah, it's so easy to sit on the sidelines and Nicky-Bash, when these bozos never organised anything in their life, other than how to write anonymously (prolly spelled incorrectly) and have a go at anyone trying to be successful"

I think you should go back and read the posts carefully, not once did anyone have a go at Nick. In fact the people who posted said how well Nick runs his tournies.

Nick asked for opinions and people gave them. You cant then go calling people bozos because you dont agree with there opinion. And some of the people who posted in this thread have organised tournaments and know exactly the costs involved.

VEGAS NIGHTS

Ollieboy wrote: »

is the 245 per person or for 2 people sharing a room?

Have to say this is great value.

Hey Ollie, Hope you're keeping well.
The €245 is per person sharing. I've booked 25 twin rooms and 5 double rooms. I've been asking people to organise themselves in rooms together and just let me know. It is good value though

VEGAS NIGHTS

derek2222_ie

Nick I would definitely be interested in this option, I would certainly play if the reg was €20

Can you let us know if this option happens

Cheers

Hey Derek,

I spoke with the hotel and yes this option is now available. Thanks for the input Derek

derek2222_ie

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote: »

derek2222_ie


Hey Derek,

I spoke with the hotel and yes this option is now available. Thanks for the input Derek

Cheers Nick

See you there

Derek

ditpoker

nick, just confirming, if i show up on the day and pay €120 I can play main event, be finished by 10pm (if I'm still in) and come back the next day to play for a bit of cash? assuming my match is off i'll be there!

re the €40 reg, nick has explained why it is €40, take it or leave it. pretty sure you can play a 100+10 game in town in the emporium on the same day, and it will be much tougher to win.

Mont

Any single rooms available in the hotel?

POKERKING

hi nick

Hope your well?just my 2c on this, i dont think anyone is 'nick-bashing' i dont know what that phil guy is talking about, anyway youve laid it all out clear as day and thats as fair as you can be but i think the problem lies with the %, its 40% which is high but if you ran a 200 game where your expenses would be exact same it would only be 20%(assuming its 200+40) which is more reasonable, you have a good point about regulars not wanting to pay more than 100 twice a yr and thats fair enough but how about in future just having 1 game a year with 200+40 making bigger prizepool,better value for players, and meaning less stress for you? i know this tournamnet is already probably set in stone with qualifiers but its worth thinking about!!

By the sounds of it, it looks like the banter in the pub is as important as the poker(which is fair enough) so maybe your players would rather it twice a year, if thats the case stick to 100e but do away with the food, ive yet to have a nice bit of dinner at a poker tourney whether ive played it or dealt it and that includes casinos its usually just slop that most people eat for the sake of it, i dont think any player really cares about the food(i could be wrong tho) so that should decrease costs, whatever you do dont do away with dealers like suggested above a self dealt tourney would be a throwback to the dark days!!!

anyway hope those opinions are of some use to you, im in australia so i wont be playing bbut best of luck with it ive no doubt it will be a success

Pokerking

VEGAS NIGHTS

ditpoker wrote: »

nick, just confirming, if i show up on the day and pay €120 I can play main event, be finished by 10pm (if I'm still in) and come back the next day to play for a bit of cash? assuming my match is off i'll be there!

re the €40 reg, nick has explained why it is €40, take it or leave it. pretty sure you can play a 100+10 game in town in the emporium on the same day, and it will be much tougher to win.

Hey Jeffy,

Yes there is now a €100 +€20 option. This doesn't include any food.

By the way..........I got my hair cut:D

ditpoker

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote: »

By the way..........I got my hair cut:D

must have been a prop bet!

RasTa

How are you gonna stop ppl from having finger food? Watch out for them young-ins ex student types.

VEGAS NIGHTS

If anyone here intends going to this could you please let me know here. I'm trying to estimate numbers so I can co-ordinate dealers, equipment, etc. Also a tad concerned about the €10,000 gauranteed:eek:

Does anyone know what kind of reception this game is getting in the card clubs re reg fees and stuff???

Lao Lao

I intend going based on the €20 reg fee basis!

ditpoker

sorry nick, i'm out. match on saturday so will be restricting my saturday poker to the evening.
best of luck with it!

Jools Poker

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote: »

Does anyone know what kind of reception this game is getting in the card clubs re reg fees and stuff???

Hi Nick,

I was in Luke's last night and the tourney came up a few times in discussion...very positive reaction overall...everyone seemed to think it's an attractive tourney ( and something about drunken dancing in a place called Tomango's (not sure right name) after the tourney seemed +ev!) Most people seemed to be under the impression it's 100+40. There were roughly ten people saying they were gonna head up. Hope it goes well for ya,
jools

Gus Ivey

Jools Poker wrote: »

drunken dancing in a place called Tomango's (not sure right name) after the tourney seemed +ev!)

yep, Tomango's , where the gang goes.
pity its full of nob heads!

Flushdraw

Gus Ivey wrote: »

yep, Tomango's , where the gang goes.
pity its full of nob heads!

So you'll be there then

eoghan104

Hey Nick Im thinking of heading up with a friend, Whats the best way to get there from Bray does anyone know?

menoscemo

eoghan104 wrote: »

Hey Nick Im thinking of heading up with a friend, Whats the best way to get there from Bray does anyone know?

If you are not driving I would say on the dart, get off at either Portmarnock or malahide and it is only a short taxi from either.

eoghan104

menoscemo wrote: »

If you are not driving I would say on the dart, get off at either Portmarnock or malahide and it is only a short taxi from either.

Yeh im going to drive. I got directions from the hotel website. Thanks though.

Lao Lao

What kind of numbers have confirmed so far?

Lauralashes

Hey Nick, Im most likely gonna be in Dublin this weekend but probably wont make the 2pm start, how many levels are you allowing late entries for?

VEGAS NIGHTS

Lauralashes wrote: »

Hey Nick, Im most likely gonna be in Dublin this weekend but probably wont make the 2pm start, how many levels are you allowing late entries for?

Hey Laura,

Late entries will be allowed untill end of second blind level so aprox 3:15pm

Hope you can make it. You can text me at the time and I'll post chips for you if it helps 087 9955669.

VEGAS NIGHTS

Lao Lao wrote: »

What kind of numbers have confirmed so far?

Around 60 confirmed ..........I think we should have around 120 players