diff advice

21stone

im hearig alot of diff advice for meals on this forum ie some people saying after going the gym eat some pasta to help recovery and then somebody else saying the oposite - so how is anybody able to know whos right or whats right

anybody qualified in this area or is it alot of wanna-be's ???? sorry just i havnt a clue what i should be easting as somebody always seems to be contradicting what i hear

good news is ive lost weight in past week since starting diet

297 pounds to 291.2 so lost 5.8 this week after 3 days in gym using hiit and weights

well weights first and then 20 mins hiit at my wn pace ie

5 min warm up on bike and at 9mph and then up it to 12mph and go at it for 1 min and then back to 9mph for a min and then back up etc till i reach 20 mins hiit and 5 min warm up

i need to sort diet out so any proper advice be good

ali.c

21stone wrote: »

im hearig alot of diff advice for meals on this forum ie some people saying after going the gym eat some pasta to help recovery and then somebody else saying the oposite - so how is anybody able to know whos right or whats right

Well i think the pasta after the gym thing really depends on your goals rather than on who is right or wrong tbh.

21stone wrote: »

anybody qualified in this area or is it alot of wanna-be's ???? sorry just i havnt a clue what i should be easting as somebody always seems to be contradicting what i hear

Well tbh its not like its an exact science now is it? i am certainly not qualified though some people are and then it depends on the type of qualification they hold etc. Incidentally there are qualifications arent the be all and end of of this type of stuff, and there is a difference between a clinical dietation and say a holistic nutritionist.

I just follow comon sense rules tbh

1.) does it sound reasonable?
2.) Is the information being used to sell a product?


So say for 1.) if someone says cutting out the majority of processed foods from your diet will help lose weight and improve your health. to me that would pass the is it reasonable test.

I dont mind advertising but i wouldnt base the decision on what i eat around it.

21stone wrote: »

i need to sort diet out so any proper advice be good

I think you should apply the KISS principle tbh, Keep It Simple and Start. Figure out what works for you as you go along

then again i am not qualified!!

Pj!

21stone wrote: »

good news is ive lost weight in past week since starting diet

297 pounds to 291.2 so lost 5.8 this week after 3 days in gym using hiit and weights

Thats a huge loss. Often expected on a first week.

Well done!!! Remember that amount cannot be expected every week though! 2lbs would be a healthy average loss.

celestial

Depends on your goals and your own personal situation. Eating pasta or carbs after a workout isn't right or wrong in itself, the issue is whether is suits your particular situation. If you are looking to put on weight in the form of muscle you are going to want to carb and protein up after a workout, particularly a weights workout. However if you want to lose fat then carbing up to recover will be much less important - you will likely want to restrict carbs and lean heavy on protein.

It all depends on your goals.

21stone

i was told by 4 people 2 diff ideas as outlined in op

i want to lose weight and tone up end of

but was told do weights as its better at burning cals after workout etc

then told to eat pasta to help muscle recovery , then told not to eat pasta by somebody else

i know the weight loss was good and dont expect it everyweek but at start if i got a few weeks like that id be in a good place mentally ie if 5 weeks around that figure id be nearly 2 stone lighter and look and feel better and then the 2 a week would be good

id certainly see a bit more deffinition to myself anyway

g'em

There aren't any hard and fast rules given in the advice here. Each and every person will generally give advice on what they have found is effective. It's then your responsibility to take the advice (if you think it's sound) and try it.

In your case, given that you want to lose weight and it's not performance-based training (you aren't training for a particular athletic goal) I think you don't need to bother with pasta after a workout. If you were trying to maintain strength for a competition, or you were planning some sort of endurance event then sure, complex carbs would be great.

But to lose fat? Nah. recovery will be just as effective by eating wholesome nutritious wholefoods with plenty of proteins and fats and a small to moderate amount of carbs. If you really, really craved pasta, then post-workout would be the best time to eat it, a it's the time your body will be most likely to use the carbs for energy and not stored as unwanted flubber. But otherwise, just dig into a steak with a bucket of green veg. Tastier and more conducive to meeting your goals

m83

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Pj!

5 weeks of losing 6lbs!? We are all different but I know from my experience if I lost 3lbs or more for 5 weeks it would only be a matter of time before it all came back (probably with more). Don't expect to get that mate seriously, especially if you are building muscle. You'll only end up disappointed and giving up. Aim for 2lbs is my advice.

I'll let some of the experts on diet answer your diet question but relax a bit. To get to 21stone you must have been eating plenty of sh1te upto now (as did I, I was nearly there at one time). Now you seem to want 100% perfect diet. Id say in your situation eat mostly protein with less carbs after a workout. But as I said, im no expert. I may be corrected.

Hanley

Forky wrote: »

5 weeks of losing 6lbs!? We are all different but I know from my experience if I lost 3lbs or more for 5 weeks it would only be a matter of time before it all came back (probably with more). Don't expect to get that mate seriously, especially if you are building muscle. You'll only end up disappointed and giving up. Aim for 2lbs is my advice.

I'll let some of the experts on diet answer your diet question but relax a bit. To get to 21stone you must have been eating plenty of sh1te upto now (as did I, I was nearly there at one time). Now you seem to want 100% perfect diet. Id say in your situation eat mostly protein with less carbs after a workout. But as I said, im no expert. I may be corrected.

A 180lb person losing 2lb per week is entirely different to a 300lb person losing 2lb per week. The first person's losing .011% of their bodymass per week, the second is only losing .006%, pretty much half what the first person's losing.

Combine this with the fact that you would proportionaly expect a larger person to be carrying more bodyfat, and more fluid and other such factors that effect bodyweight and I woulda thought that bigger people would tend to lose at least the same percentage of their bodymass as a "normal" person on a diet...

Tbh, 21stone, what you're doing is working just fine. When you're carrying as much bodyfat as you are now muscle wastage probably isn't gonna be an issue anyway.

Don't let what people think to be common sense and fitness myths discourage you, you're doing a great job. Keep it up.

OPENROAD

Hanley wrote: »

Don't let what people think to be common sense and fitness myths discourage you, you're doing a great job. Keep it up.

Well said imo.

Altough I am sure advise is well meaning, you are spot on.

To OP, well done Keep it up

Pj!

As I said we are all different and I was only posting from experience (i was 20stone at one stage).
I and most people I know always find the first week of a diet the one where you'd lose most weight. Someone told me because this is because of water retention or something, I'm no expert so I don't know.
I always encourage people not to expect to lose as much after the first week. Many people get disappointed when the weight drop decreases and end up packing it in. It's tough enough as it is without over expectations.

If ya can keep losing 6lbs a week, fair play mate. But anytime I lost anywhere near that amount (from a similiar weight) I ended up packing it all back on (and usually more).
Slow and Steady wins the race is what I was told and it took me ages to figure it out for myself. It worked!

Best of luck anyway, ive started losing some more weight myself (will be at my lowest adult weight ever in a couple of weeks! Happy days).
Keep at it!

Cadrach

It didn't sound to me like Forky's point was suggesting that it is bad for a 300lb guy to lose 6lbs in a week, just that a 300lb guy shouldn't expect to lose 6lb a week for 5 weeks. Fluid is a big thing - in your first two weeks you lose a lot of water which accounts for some of the weight, but to expect to continue dropping 6lbs in week 3, 4, and 5 is not a good expectation.

Cadrach

And to the OP, there will always be conflicting advice, and either side could be correct depending on the approach you choose. Best just to further outline your own situation and ask for the advice to be refined. Usually the conflicting advice occurs over something minor enough that it's not going to destroy your plans anyway if you choose the wrong option anyway. The big factors are all agreed upon - eat healthily, lots of exercise, and stick with it!

rubadub

21stone wrote: »

then told to eat pasta to help muscle recovery , then told not to eat pasta by somebody else

Both might have been good advice depending on what your exact question was and your posting here might be out of context so it seems conflicting.

People are quick to correct bad advice on these forums. I go with ali.c

1.) does it sound reasonable?
2.) Is the information being used to sell a product?

If you had asked "I love pasta, when is the best time to eat it" you would be told maybe after a workout.

If you simply asked "I want to lose fat, what should I avoid" then they might say avoid pasta. Some might recommend other carbs over pasta as a post workout meal.

As long as you are exercising and eating good food in reasonable size portions then when you eat it is not all that important, you are getting results so must be doing something right. At 21stone you have already being effectively weight training, so have a fair amount of muscle more than the average skinny bloke. I personally just want to get thin with a reasonable amount of muscle, so I do not eat too much after workouts, I would be happy simply maintaining the muscle mass I have, and losing another 7lb. After I am at the bodyfat level I want I might consider putting on more muscle, -just because I love my food and postworkout is a great excuse to pig out!

21stone

do people not read at all ???????????????

i never expected to lose 6lbs every week , i said if it happened then happydays

im well aware that 2-3 could be average

Pj!

lol relax man. You said you'd like 5 weeks of 6lbs loss and I only said it wouldnt be suitable for me and I got better results from a smaller loss.

Only trying to help.