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Please help dog trouble!

  • 31-12-2007 3:40pm
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    My dog is an 8 months old male. He constantly bites and pulls at family members clothes. I have marks on both my arms and legs where he has bitten me. This can last all day and for most of the evening. Its doesnt seem like he is being playful as he grinds his teeth and can be quite aggresive.

    When I go to put on his lead before a walk he runs away. Then when i eventually put the lead on him he freezes and stays still, he is almost like a statue. I find this very odd as I thought most dogs would be excited to go for a walk .I have to carry him out of the house as he wont walk. Once he is out he is fine but he growls at other dogs and people. I have tried bringing him out for more walks but this has not helped his behaviour either. I have also tried to displine him by putting him out of the room , rasing my tone of voice, spraying water when he snaps. The vet suggesed lifting him up by the back of the neck and shaking him as this would be what his mother would have done. None of this has worked and he just keeps coming back for more biting even harder this can last hours.He is very friendly in the morning or when I first see him and likes to be petted but during the day or the evening if i try to pet him he snaps and doesnt seem to like affection.I just find his behavour strange in a puppy. When friends come into the house he constantly barks at them. Honestly dont know what to do, please can someone help me!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    a good slap of a newspaper will sort him out! :D






    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭SuzyS1972


    First and foremost a vet is not a behaviourest - I beleive in 7 years training vets cover about 2 days on behaviour.
    Picking a dog up by the neck and shaking him is totally inadvisable.
    Your dog sounds very fearful and the growling at other dogs is possibly a fear based agression that really needs to be sorted out asap.
    Have you had him from a pup as 8 months is quite old to still be at this mouthing behaviour.

    To be honest with you I would not ask for advice on this one on the net - it's a tircky situation that needs careful handling or you may just make the dog 50% worse - que the previous stupid response you got.

    Consult a good behaviourist such as Julie Holmes
    www.tagnrye.com

    or speak to the girls at Dog Training Ireland
    www.dogtrainingireland.ie

    they sound like the kind of problems my 1st jrt had and he just got worse and worse - he's fine now and behaving himself with the help of Julie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭bitemybanger


    He needs to know who the boss is, newspaper works but dont roll it up too tightly or you will hurt him, its more the noise that they dont like, if he bites you, bite him back or pinch him. Change your tone of voice when your giving out to him.
    As for the lead, put the laed on him and let him walk round with it on, let him get used to it then when he seems comfortable with it on, pick it up and slowly lead the way using tid bits or treats to take his mind off him being on the lead and he will then associate the lead with good things.
    What brees is he?? ill take a guess at a king charles???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    SuzyS1972 wrote: »
    que the previous stupid response you got.


    my dad was a vet and he always said an owner ascerting dominance with a

    swipe of the irish independant was no harm, and he had dogs when you were

    crapping your nappies :mad:



    i mean like honestly how did people survive years ago with dogs when the were no people to

    train a dog to behave?


    a good kick and that sorted it no this modern crap of dog behaviorists!


    do you think people in 1950's ireland who had a disobedient dog saved to see a behaviorist?





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭summer_ina_bowl


    blay1 wrote: »
    m yeah like vetrinary medicine is a 7 year course,
    and to study human medicine is only 6 years! hahah lmao

    ok, this is off point, but i can't resist...

    wow, this must be embarrassing for you...
    vet med takes at least seven yrs in ireland and thats if you go the most direct route. human doctors have the advantage of bein able to ask their patient how they feel, it takes a lot of hard work and experience to read and animals symptoms. also, doctors treat humans... vets treat dogs, cats, cows, horses, hamsters, rats, rabbits, every type of imaginable bird and reptile... can you imagine having to learn the exact anatomy and physiology of each of these creatures? how medicines affect different species? hmmm, your dads a vet - but eh, who are you

    *deep sigh*
    katie 25, i feel ur pain - literally! its a very common problem these days as pups are being taken from the litter environment at a very young age.
    don't shake the dog too hard and you won't do any harm - its usually the immobilisation of being scruffed that works as a deterrent.
    was your dog very young when you first got him? he may never have been properly socialised, yelp or screech as loudly and shrilly as you can when he hurts - when you use a lowered cross tone, he may see it as a challenge for more play fighting, but a screech will let him know that he has hurt you.
    as for the lead, leaving a light loose lead on him is good advice but also try giving him a little treat when ever you clip the lead on for the first few weeks.

    if you don't feel up to the challenge then i'd advise seeing a specialist, you need to show him who is boss and that can't be done with half a heart!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    hmmm, your dads a vet - but eh, who are you



    what does that mean???:confused:





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭summer_ina_bowl


    it means, that my dads a doctor but i don't go around giving psychological or parenting advice because well frankly, i don't know anything about human med!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    SuzyS1972 wrote: »
    To be honest with you I would not ask for advice on this one on the net - it's a tircky situation that needs careful handling or you may just make the dog 50% worse - que the previous stupid response you got.

    Consult a good behaviourist

    Seconded, thirded and fourthed !


    There are many things wrong in your relationship to your dog ...they can only really be addressed on an individual basis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    thats was what my father told me, it worked for him, me , anyone iv ever

    told it to!


    you would have got that if you read my posts! :rolleyes:





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭summer_ina_bowl


    blay1 wrote: »
    you would have got that if you read my posts!
    I did read ur posts - u only mentioned ur dad after ur advice was slandered.
    A tip bud, give advice off ur own back so that u can defend it well when questioned - not credit it to someone else!

    katie25, out of interest, what is the breed?!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 katie25


    Thanks for the advance. Yes we got him at 7 weeks. He is a ****zu I have tried changing my tone of voice and have even screamed when he has bitten me but he doesnt stop no matter how hard i try to get him to stop, even a tap doesnt work he just gets worse and keeps lungin at me bitting me.I wonder would neutering help?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    neutering should always be done unless you have plans to breed & I would never suggest breeding unless you know what you are doing.

    As others have said it sounds like you need proper help - talk to a behaviourist & see what they suggest - that will be better than taking advice like slap the dog with newspaper this will only make a nervous dog WORSE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭bitemybanger


    yes this would calm him down but it has some drawbacks, the most obvious one would be weight gain. consult your vet for pros and cons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭fits


    yes this would calm him down but it has some drawbacks, the most obvious one would be weight gain. consult your vet for pros and cons.

    The 'weight gain' thing, is not true for most dogs. If an owner sees their dog gaining weight they should adjust diet and exercise accordingly anyway. The benefits of neutering far outweigh the drawbacks, and I'm speaking as an owner whos owned both.


    @ OP definitely get a good behaviourist out and soon. Those recommended by suzy1972 are a good idea.

    I cant even begin to respond to the 'my dad is a vet so I know it all... know it all'. Grow up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    katie25 wrote: »
    I wonder would neutering help?

    Yes but so would cutting his head off, both a tad drastic IMO. You sound like you need to see a behavoirist as it sounds like the dog just doesn't believe you're the top dog. Probably something you're doing that hasn't been mentioned. Do you let the dog up on your bed or on the furniture? You have to be consistent 100% of the time and not do anything to let the dog think it is equal to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Do you let the dog up on your bed or on the furniture? You have to be consistent 100% of the time and not do anything to let the dog think it is equal to you.


    slightly OT

    Please credit dogs with some intelligence. Just because they're sitting on the settee doesn't make them feel "equal". They know that they are dog and you are not.

    But if you had previously forbidden it and now they're still up there , it actually makes them superior :D

    Because the little buggers now that they can outwit and outwill little inconsequent you at any turn.

    Nothing to do with being "equal" or "leader of the pack" or "alpha" or whatever, but everything with leadership.

    You don't provide it ...they take it over :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭Demonique


    Yes but so would cutting his head off, both a tad drastic IMO.

    Unless the dog is a show dog that's intended for breeding and is a good specimen of his breed, then he SHOULD be neutered, as is the case for all dogs. Un-neutered male dogs run the risk of testicular cancer, dogs are NOT humans they won't feel any less male because they're ball-less and they won't feel they're missing something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭Demonique


    blay1 wrote: »
    i mean like honestly how did people survive years ago with children when the were no people to

    train a child to behave?


    a good kick and that sorted it no this modern crap of child behaviorists!


    do you think people in 1950's ireland who had a disobedient child saved to see a behaviorist?





    :cool::cool::cool:


    I fixed your post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 969 ✭✭✭kerrysgold


    Agreed. All dog's should be neutered and spayed, then there wouldn't be the huge overpopulation problem. Until our male dog was neutered, he was a complete loon, non stop humping etc! He will still tug at your clothes but once you tell him NO he will stop.
    my dad was a vet and he always said an owner ascerting dominance with a

    swipe of the irish independant was no harm, and he had dogs when you were

    crapping your nappies



    i mean like honestly how did people survive years ago with dogs when the were no people to

    train a dog to behave?


    a good kick and that sorted it no this modern crap of dog behaviorists!


    do you think people in 1950's ireland who had a disobedient dog saved to see a behaviorist?

    A good kick? And then people wonder why their dog's turn vicious! How would you like a ''good kick'' every time you did something wrong? Would that make you respect your parents/teachers/boss etc?
    And that is exactly why I would never take advice from a vet regarding an animals behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 969 ✭✭✭kerrysgold


    Oh dear, demonique, you'll have the humans>animals brigade after you now! :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Ignore the posts suggesting that you slap the dog, shout at it, kick it, etc.

    I had a dog that did this same biting thing; unfortunately she escaped and was hit by a car and killed.

    By that time I was covered in bruises on my arms and legs from her bites.

    If I had a dog like this now, I would try clicker training (read Karen Pryor's book Don't Shoot the Dog), and if this didn't work, I would conclude that the dog is mentally ill and can't be trusted to understand when not to bite, and I would have it put down.

    This isn't a nice thing to hear - no one wants to think of putting a healthy animal to sleep - but it may come to this. But I'd try clicker training first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 969 ✭✭✭kerrysgold


    I wouldn't say put the dog down if it didn't respond to clicker training though, maybe not all animals respond to clicker training, personally I've never used a clicker, I've always just used food and toys as rewards. I would only consider putting a dog down if it was actually full on aggressive i.e. vicious biting, not just nipping and being annoying sort of biting, but as this dog is still young and luckily only a small one (although bad behaviour can't be tolerated in a small dog anymore than it can be in a large dog, but at least a small dog isn't going to inflict serious injuries) this issue should be resolved fairly easily before it escalates in to full-on aggression/possessiveness etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    My dog is an 8 months old male. He constantly bites and pulls at family members clothes. I have marks on both my arms and legs where he has bitten me. This can last all day and for most of the evening. Its doesnt seem like he is being playful as he grinds his teeth and can be quite aggresive.

    At 8 months he is a teenager and he will now act out with what he got away when he was a pup. If he acts up, don't say a word but put him in a room of his own, let him cool down for a while and afterwards when you let him back out IGNORE him for about the same length of time. I presume he was a cute pup and got away with alot??:D


    When I go to put on his lead before a walk he runs away. Then when i eventually put the lead on him he freezes and stays still, he is almost like a statue. I find this very odd as I thought most dogs would be excited to go for a walk I have to carry him out of the house as he wont walk.
    .

    He obviously associates walks with unpleasant things. Make it fun for him to go out, bring a treat, let him sit before you put the lead on, put on the lead and then give him a treat. DO NOT carry him, it just re-inforces his *belief* that something is wrong.
    Once he is out he is fine but he growls at other dogs and people. I have tried bringing him out for more walks but this has not helped his behaviour either.

    This might be down to his association of walks with unpleasant things. Correct him if he growls and watch your own body language, ie are you anticipating his growling by holding your breath or shortening the leash when you meet other peeps with dogs?
    I have also tried to displine him by putting him out of the room , rasing my tone of voice, spraying water when he snaps.

    Forget the shouting, forget the water. The message will sink if ALOT faster if you stick to the out of the room/ignore routine. Repetition and consistency is the key in dog training.
    The vet suggesed lifting him up by the back of the neck and shaking him as this would be what his mother would have done.

    Your vet is WRONG, no bitch grabs and SHAKES a pup! The dog will associate the shaking with your intent to kill it. DO NOT follow that advice, it can make an insecure dog VERY hostile!
    None of this has worked and he just keeps coming back for more biting even harder this can last hours.

    See above: consistency and repetition!! There is no miracle cure.
    He is very friendly in the morning or when I first see him and likes to be petted but during the day or the evening if i try to pet him he snaps and doesnt seem to like affection.

    Start to only pet him on YOUR term, ie if you WANT to not if he asks for it!
    I just find his behavour strange in a puppy.

    At 8 months he is not a pup anymore but a pesky spotty teenager :D.
    When friends come into the house he constantly barks at them.

    Same routine as with any other undesireable behaviour, out of the room, cooling down phase and ignoring. Repeat if necessary and tell your friends to completely ignore him as well.

    I am all for neutering for population control. I am not one to suggest neutering as miracle/instant cure of behavioural issues, especially human aggression, however, it will calm him down a bit, it usually takes about 4 weeks for the effect to set in in a male dog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    luckat wrote: »

    If I had a dog like this now, I would try clicker training (read Karen Pryor's book Don't Shoot the Dog), and if this didn't work, I would conclude that the dog is mentally ill and can't be trusted to understand when not to bite, and I would have it put down.

    This isn't a nice thing to hear - no one wants to think of putting a healthy animal to sleep - but it may come to this. But I'd try clicker training first.

    Good lord in heaven ...give me patience!

    So you can read a book a you can click a clicker...whey, hey ...good for you ... biiiig deal ...bravo!

    But if the dog doesn't do what you want it to you "conclude" that it's mentally ill and you'll have it put down??

    Are you delusional? Read too much Sherlock Holmes?

    What if your too bloody dense to do it right? What if the dog is really clever and simply resists your noisy attempts at being conditioned* like an automaton
    (* I'm not talking about shampoo here).

    You "conclude" ...:rolleyes:

    And who made you ruler over life and death? Karen Pryor?

    Training a dog REALLY isn't rocket science. All it needs is a bit of understanding, the realisation that you're dealing with a dog, patience and repetition.

    Done ...no need for anything else ...not even a clicker.

    Certainly no need for "concluding" and definetly not for killing the poor, confused dog.

    If the dog doesn't do what it's supposed to ...you didn't train it right. You didn't make yourself understood. Try again.

    Simple as that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    kerrysgold wrote: »
    I wouldn't say put the dog down if it didn't respond to clicker training though, maybe not all animals respond to clicker training, personally I've never used a clicker, I've always just used food and toys as rewards.

    In fact, that's what's at the centre of clicker training - the use of the clicker just refines the method. At its centre are targeted rewards.

    Someone here mentioned a really excellent trainer who comes to your home and trains the dog - a man, not a woman. Anyone remember who it was?

    (I tried a trainer at one stage when my dog was a pup and found her useless; the clicker training method absolutely saved me, and built up a bond between us that means she still loves to learn things now at the age of six - yesterday she barked when the phone went, and I praised her for telling me, and I could see her drinking in the information that barking to tell me about the phone was a good thing!)

    If you can get a good, gentle trainer, this is probably your best first step.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Intothesea


    Hello folks. Katie, it sounds as if your dog hasn't
    been given enough consistent direction to convince
    him that he's at the bottom of the family pack, which
    is the key to harmonious dog relations :D

    Smaller dogs are known for their bossy tenacity
    (napolean complexes) and for this reason it's wise
    to train and socialise them reliably from as early
    an age as possible. If he's still nipping at 8 months
    he has left the 'golden' period for programming, but
    you can most certainly put it right with a bit of
    endeavour.

    Not wanting to go for walks could be a matter of
    fear (stemming from him feeling that you're not pack
    leader, i.e. no protection and guidance), or could
    just be a gambit to prove to you that he's in charge,
    it's tricky territory.

    Along with everyone else, I'd recommend that you
    see a dog behaviourist or whathaveyou, buy a good
    book on dog/puppy training and read everything
    you can online about the breed type's character
    and requirements. Also, neutering is a must for
    a peaceful house (unless you intend to breed).

    The basics of dog training involve firmly but
    gently taking the role of pack leader over your
    dog. He has to see you as the 'owner' of all
    situations, and he must respect you. For this
    you have to win his trust by being mindfully
    engaged, consistent and fair.

    The best of luck to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Demonique wrote: »
    Un-neutered male dogs run the risk of testicular cancer, dogs are NOT humans they won't feel any less male because they're ball-less and they won't feel they're missing something.

    I'm assuming you don't have testicles so I'll let this slide :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 katie25


    Yes he is a family pet so I will look into neturing him. Would this calm him down? I think you could be right about him thinking he is the head of the family. I suppose we let him away with a lot when we first had him, but I thought it was normal behaviour for a pup and he was just being playful. I would not consider putting him down and I am prepared to try anything

    Thanks again for all your feedback


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    katie25 wrote: »
    Yes he is a family pet so I will look into neturing him. Would this calm him down?

    Not necessarily so it should be your last ditch effort. Really you should try training first.
    katie25 wrote: »
    I suppose we let him away with a lot when we first had him, but I thought it was normal behaviour for a pup and he was just being playful.

    It is totally normal behaviour it's really your response to it that's caused the problem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 969 ✭✭✭kerrysgold


    EVERY dog should be neutered whether it is to calm them down or not.
    There is no need for an entire dog or unspayed bitch unless they are perfect specimens of the breed or show dogs. The ignorant attitude of ''it's unfair to neuter the dog'' is the reason why about 20,000 of them are killed every year! A dog doesn't even care that it's been neutered, a female may be sore for a few days but she won't care either. It's the owners that have the problem! Neutered dog's don't get fat, no dog will get fat if it is fed and excersized properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    kerrysgold wrote: »
    EVERY dog should be neutered whether it is to calm them down or not.
    There is no need for an entire dog or unspayed bitch unless they are perfect specimens of the breed or show dogs. The ignorant attitude of ''it's unfair to neuter the dog'' is the reason why about 20,000 of them are killed every year! A dog doesn't even care that it's been neutered, a female may be sore for a few days but she won't care either. It's the owners that have the problem! Neutered dog's don't get fat, no dog will get fat if it is fed and excersized properly.

    Personally I'd rather be dead than neutered and I think brother dog feels the same way. Spay bitches by all means it doesn't seem to affect them but if you think a dogs personality isn't changed for the worse when castrated then I don't think you're paying close attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Personally I'd rather be dead than neutered and I think brother dog feels the same way. Spay bitches by all means it doesn't seem to affect them but if you think a dogs personality isn't changed for the worse when castrated then I don't think you're paying close attention.

    And your approach to the neutering/spaying is an anthropomorphic one and THAT is usually the root of the problem for having so many unwanted dogs in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭echter


    kerrysgold wrote: »
    EVERY dog should be neutered whether it is to calm them down or not.
    There is no need for an entire dog or unspayed bitch unless they are perfect specimens of the breed or show dogs. The ignorant attitude of ''it's unfair to neuter the dog'' is the reason why about 20,000 of them are killed every year! A dog doesn't even care that it's been neutered, a female may be sore for a few days but she won't care either. It's the owners that have the problem! Neutered dog's don't get fat, no dog will get fat if it is fed and excersized properly.

    My dog isn't neutered, he isn't fat, he isn't a "Perfect Specimen" and he is well behaved.

    actually pedigree dogs make me sick, they are just status symbols.
    like who would pay a grand for a dog prone to certain illnesses?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 969 ✭✭✭kerrysgold


    Personally I'd rather be dead than neutered and I think brother dog feels the same way. Spay bitches by all means it doesn't seem to affect them but if you think a dogs personality isn't changed for the worse when castrated then I don't think you're paying close attention.

    You obviously don't understand your dog at all, dog's don't sit around thinking oh, if I'm neutered I'm going to have a lesser quality of life. Dogs don't think like that! Dog's don't care if they have been neutered or not. I doubt they even notice! And if you think a neutered dog's behaviour is worse than an entire dogs, then you obviously don't know much about dog's at all. Any dog that is badly behaved is down to training but a dog will calm down usually after being neutered. A dog that is constantly trying to hump your leg/other dogs/furniture etc!, and won't let go, is no fun to be around!

    And you're obviously just sympathetic towards male dogs as your obviously a guy. Don't all your theories apply to female dog's then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    EGAR wrote: »
    And your approach to the neutering/spaying is an anthropomorphic one

    No the comparison hinges on my similarity to a dog (or any male social mammal) and not vice-versa.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    No, your comparison hinges on you applying HUMAN adjectives/way of thinking to a canine. And THAT is anthropomorphic :D and also very wrong ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    kerrysgold wrote: »
    Dog's don't care if they have been neutered or not. I doubt they even notice! And if you think a neutered dog's behaviour is worse than an entire dogs, then you obviously don't know much about dog's at all.


    Sorry I should have been more specific I did not mean "worse" as you would have it but "worse" in regard to how a dog is supposed to function.

    And of course the dog hasn't a clue to 'care' but given that a dogs behaviour is dependent on the androgens produced by its gonads it's behaviour is altered when these go 'missing'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    but given that a dogs behaviour is dependent on the androgens produced by its gonads it's behaviour is altered when these go 'missing'.

    That implies SOLELY which is clearly not the case. A dog's behaviour stems from alot of different things, not just the production levels of androgens. A change in BEHAVIOUR after a castration very much depends on the state of development (mentally and physically) at the time of the OP. It also depends on outside factors, ie existing pack orders. High androgen (in specific testosterone levels) have been linked to higher aggression in males, not just dogs :D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭macshadow


    Personally I'd rather be dead than neutered and I think brother dog feels the same way. Spay bitches by all means it doesn't seem to affect them but if you think a dogs personality isn't changed for the worse when castrated then I don't think you're paying close attention.

    Brother dog has little more than instinct, when a dog is neutered that instinct is diminished along with the associated aggression. Every dog who is just a companion animal should be neutered, i've had many dogs, mostly males and from my experience there is more change in a spayed bitch than a castrated male. How would you like if you could keep your nuts but never be allowed to have sex again:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭lurchin along


    The only thing neutering calms is testosterone.Unless the shih sees his owner as a sex object - although advisable in general terms - it won't help with this.
    Once the 'urge to merge' is removed a dog's nutritional needs go down so it doesn't need as much or as rich a diet.
    Neutering does NOT cause weight gain!!!(sorry -pressed my button there-spend SO much time arguing for neutering)
    Overfeeding is what causes obesity.
    There is obviously a dominance thing going on here-he freezes when the lead goes on because he knows it puts his owner in charge.Bright dogs these shihs.You most definitely need some professional help with him -and don't feel bad -you're not the first that's been had by one of these!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    I quote myself again:
    I am all for neutering for population control. I am not one to suggest neutering as miracle/instant cure of behavioural issues, especially human aggression, however, it will calm him down a bit, it usually takes about 4 weeks for the effect to set in in a male dog.

    As to:
    The only thing neutering calms is testosterone.Unless the shih sees his owner as a sex object - although advisable in general terms - it won't help with this.

    Not strictly true as neutering also does away with the stress which comes with the urge to mate. It does make some animals including some male dogs more placid to handle. Why else would we catstrate stallions and bulls? :D Neutering CAN help with dominance issues if the dog has a high sex drive and regards everything *his own*. It also CAN help with ranking problems as a neutered animal sink automatically in rank. However, I would have big problems reccomending (sp) neutering as the be all and end all. Training it the solution to this problem, with neutering to calm down the dog.
    Neutering does NOT cause weight gain!!!(sorry -pressed my button there-spend SO much time arguing for neutering)
    Overfeeding is what causes obesity.

    Also not based on facts as males typically have less adipose tissue than females. It all depends on the TYPE of dog and the age it was neutered. However, the need for exercise might slump if the male dog was highly sexually driven. Diet and exercise must be adjusted accordingly.

    I have a neutered male lurcher here who is as thin as a rake, despite good food he is refusing to put on weight. It is just his type, he is as healthy as a horse and still highly active.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 louiset002


    Hi Katie, how are you getting on with your dog? I am no animal behaviourist but I can offer some advice. I have 2 dogs, 1 collie (3yrs) and a Lurcher (9 months) and I train them in agility. I would def advise you to get him neutered anyway. The problem of over breeding and dogs being destroyed is huge in ireland. Plus it actually reduces the chance of the dogs getting certain types of cancer. You should only share affection with your dog when he is calm and submissive. Do not try to pet him when he is biting, jumping or showing excitement in any way. For the lead problem I would put the lead on numerous times during the day and give him a treat so he associates the lead with positive things. Eventually reduce the treats ans replace with affection/play as confidence builds. Plenty of excercise is always a great thing also. Ensure your position as pack leader by being calm and assertive, remember it is about what you want not what he wants, you are the one who pays the bills! Finally tune into the dog whisperer, Ceaser Millan, he is a genious! :) Would love to know how you get on, dont give up, you are the leader!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 animaladvice


    :) Hi there,
    A few suggestions, don't hit him, he won't understand why you are doing it, and never shout at him.

    Try a halti collar, once you have it on him, over praise him and give hima treat. Encourage him with treats, and slowly reduce the number of treats you give him and show him more affection instead.

    Regarding the biting, i had this problem with one of my dogs. When he nips you, hold his mouth closed gently for a few seconds. Take your hand away and if he continues biting do it again. He'll get the idea. Just remember not to shout and scream when he bites, if you do he's getting the attention he's craving. What breed is the dog by the way?

    I wouldn't hold him up and shake him like the vet suggested, I'd question what vet you went to if this was his exact advice.

    The halti i mentioned above can be useful for the biting problem too. It controls the dog from under the head, so it puts no pressure on his neck or body. It also acts as a muzzle when you pull him to you. Perhaps walk around the house with him on this for a few days and when he starts to snap just pull him to a sitting position and hold the halti so he can't bite.

    It worked wonders with my dog. Any more problems/questions you can pm me if you like.

    katie25 wrote: »
    My dog is an 8 months old male. He constantly bites and pulls at family members clothes. I have marks on both my arms and legs where he has bitten me. This can last all day and for most of the evening. Its doesnt seem like he is being playful as he grinds his teeth and can be quite aggresive.

    When I go to put on his lead before a walk he runs away. Then when i eventually put the lead on him he freezes and stays still, he is almost like a statue. I find this very odd as I thought most dogs would be excited to go for a walk .I have to carry him out of the house as he wont walk. Once he is out he is fine but he growls at other dogs and people. I have tried bringing him out for more walks but this has not helped his behaviour either. I have also tried to displine him by putting him out of the room , rasing my tone of voice, spraying water when he snaps. The vet suggesed lifting him up by the back of the neck and shaking him as this would be what his mother would have done. None of this has worked and he just keeps coming back for more biting even harder this can last hours.He is very friendly in the morning or when I first see him and likes to be petted but during the day or the evening if i try to pet him he snaps and doesnt seem to like affection.I just find his behavour strange in a puppy. When friends come into the house he constantly barks at them. Honestly dont know what to do, please can someone help me!


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