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Who is getting a new car next week

  • 30-12-2007 1:11am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭


    Is there anyone out there who cant wait for next week to finally get their hands on that new car that has kept them awake these past few weeks dreaming about the pleasure that this will bring them, let us know what you are buying if only to make us green with envy. I promise that I will not post any derogatory comments about what you are buying and I would ask everyone not to make any comments about whether it was a good or bad decision in their opionion.
    let us know as much information about your deal as you think is reasonable so that we can benifit from your experience to help us in our future dealings.
    Good luck to everyone that is taking delivery next week ,I hope you really enjoy the experience of having an 08 on your driveway.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,440 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    How about getting the ball rolling?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭oilsheik


    Audi A5 3.0TDI Quattro....on the 3rd Jan:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭keitht


    Im tradeing in my ford focus H/B 1.4 cl 02 it has 76,0000 miles. Im getting the Mazda 3 saloon 1.6 comfort is 21,9000. im getting it on the 2nd jan 2008 jan. Its costing me 14.400 whit the focus
    do you think this is a good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭wheres me jumpa


    Getting a car but not a 08 :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭jonnygee


    keitht wrote: »
    Im tradeing in my ford focus H/B 1.4 cl 02 it has 76,0000 miles. Im getting the Mazda 3 saloon 1.6 comfort is 21,9000. im getting it on the 2nd jan 2008 jan. Its costing me 14.400 whit the focus
    do you think this is a good.

    On this thread every deal is good, if you are happy then we are happy. Best of luck with your new mazda.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    oilsheik wrote: »
    Audi A5 3.0TDI Quattro....on the 3rd Jan:D
    Will that not be cheaper to buy and tax from 1st of July?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Ms Inquisitive


    How does that work?

    Unfortunately, got an 07 car this year so 08 will not be bringing a new car to me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,475 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    jonnygee wrote: »
    Is there anyone out there who cant wait for next week to finally get their hands on that new car that has kept them awake these past few weeks dreaming about the pleasure that this will bring them, let us know what you are buying if only to make us green with envy. I promise that I will not post any derogatory comments about what you are buying and I would ask everyone not to make any comments about whether it was a good or bad decision in their opionion.
    let us know as much information about your deal as you think is reasonable so that we can benifit from your experience to help us in our future dealings.
    Good luck to everyone that is taking delivery next week ,I hope you really enjoy the experience of having an 08 on your driveway.

    erm maybe you can help me out here, what exactly is the experience of having a 08?

    i own a 01 bmw 530i, if some one took it and gave me a 08 vw golf 1.4 i would be having a very bad experience ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭C_Breeze


    Cyrus wrote: »
    erm maybe you can help me out here, what exactly is the experience of having a 08?

    i own a 01 bmw 530i, if some one took it and gave me a 08 vw golf 1.4 i would be having a very bad experience ;)

    The "experience" of having an 08 in your driveway ..... only in Ireland :rolleyes:


  • Subscribers Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭TCP/IP


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    The "experience" of having an 08 in your driveway ..... only in Ireland :rolleyes:

    Cant say I understand the new car experience. I have had two new cars in my life and I have to admit the most exciting is getting a better car not necessarily a newer one.

    But dont get me wrong everybody best of luck to all collecting brand new motors - drive safe


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    The "experience" of having an 08 in your driveway ..... only in Ireland :rolleyes:
    Unfortunately, the experience of the '08' is probably mostly to do with when it's in the driveway...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭oilsheik


    JHMEG wrote: »
    Will that not be cheaper to buy and tax from 1st of July?

    It will be cheaper from July...but it's a company car so my hard earned isn't on the table...it was ordered in early Oct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 mmurphy


    i would love to change my wheels for a new 08 Where is the best Mitsubishi Dealer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭S.I.R


    i wish i could get my hands on one of them audi R8's but meh , ill most likely just be getting another banger or two during '08 :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭BFassassin


    Getting a car but not a 08 :(
    Im in the same boat. Now all I have to do is decide on how much I want to spend :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Jimbo


    oilsheik wrote: »
    Audi A5 3.0TDI Quattro....on the 3rd Jan:D

    Dream car at the mo. How much? Any cool extras?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    The "experience" of having an 08 in your driveway ..... only in Ireland :rolleyes:
    Unfortunately, the experience of the '08' is probably mostly to do with when it's in the driveway...

    QFT. But then again, I say long may it continue.. gives the rest of us a lot of 2nd hand cars to choose from in the next few years :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,522 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    It'll cost you less to own than the Citroen when resale and repair bills are considered. Congrats!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭jrar


    oilsheik wrote: »
    It will be cheaper from July...but it's a company car so my hard earned isn't on the table...it was ordered in early Oct.


    True, but you'll be paying BIK against the higher list price of the pre-July '08 version etc. and as there is no sliding scale on depreciation for BIK purposes, you're lumbered with it for whatever the length of the lease etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    jrar wrote: »
    True, but you'll be paying BIK against the higher list price of the pre-July '08 version etc. and as there is no sliding scale on depreciation for BIK purposes, you're lumbered with it for whatever the length of the lease etc.
    Technically for this perticular car he is better VRT-wise to buy it pre-July. It has a CO2 rating of 191 g/km which means it would attract a 32% VRT rate post July as opposed to the 30% it currently is.

    With the current rate the car costs less & hence the BIK will be less.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭jonnygee


    Here is a just a bit of my car history, I dont want to give my age away by telling too much.
    1989 new opel corsa
    1991 new citroen zx
    1993 new citroen zx, with power steering. good as a jag.
    1994 new honda civic saloon, like driving a brick.
    1995 new mazda 323 saloon
    1996 new 323f hatchback, sportiest car in town
    1997 another 323f in silver, best car design ever
    1998 another 323f, getting a bit old for this now
    1999 new focus 1.4 lx, a bit underpowered
    2000 new focus 1.6 lx, the perfect car
    2002 new focus 1.6 lx again in silver, beautiful
    2005 new model focus 1.6 zetec, cant buy better
    2008 tdci order cancelled due to green party intervention.
    I remember every time I changed the car that there were certain people who would call me mad for buying new cars , "your mad buying new cars" they would say, "loses a fortune as soon as you drive it out the garage door, a waste of good money"
    So I would say nothing for a while and then would change the subject and look into the sky and say to them "what would you do if you won the lotto tonight?"
    The first thing they would all do is buy a new Merc.
    You see the experience of a new car doesnt come from just driving it, that is mostly it but it is also when you wash it on a saturday morning and look out the window at it sitting gleaming on your driveway and you get a feeling of pleasure that somehow justifies all the money you have spent. that makes it worthwhile.
    If you can afford to buy a new car but havent yet, try it , you,ll enjoy it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    We had a new car once. Which was enough to learn our lesson. Now I get a nice feeling by looking out the window at the cars, and thinking of all that money we've saved by not buying new, and what we'll spend the money on instead. Both our cars are in showroom condition and both cost less than half the price of a new car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    jonnygee wrote: »
    Here is a just a bit of my car history, I dont want to give my age away by telling too much.
    1989 new opel corsa
    1991 new citroen zx
    1993 new citroen zx, with power steering. good as a jag.
    1994 new honda civic saloon, like driving a brick.
    1995 new mazda 323 saloon
    1996 new 323f hatchback, sportiest car in town
    1997 another 323f in silver, best car design ever
    1998 another 323f, getting a bit old for this now
    1999 new focus 1.4 lx, a bit underpowered
    2000 new focus 1.6 lx, the perfect car
    2002 new focus 1.6 lx again in silver, beautiful
    2005 new model focus 1.6 zetec, cant buy better
    2008 tdci order cancelled due to green party intervention.
    Let me guess. You are 35-40 years old, and got married in 2001. You never lost that Stephen's Day feeling of waking up and realising you had a new trike/bike/Scalextric set - yippee!

    How'd I do?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,475 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    jonnygee wrote: »
    Here is a just a bit of my car history, I dont want to give my age away by telling too much.
    1989 new opel corsa
    1991 new citroen zx
    1993 new citroen zx, with power steering. good as a jag.
    1994 new honda civic saloon, like driving a brick.
    1995 new mazda 323 saloon
    1996 new 323f hatchback, sportiest car in town
    1997 another 323f in silver, best car design ever
    1998 another 323f, getting a bit old for this now
    1999 new focus 1.4 lx, a bit underpowered
    2000 new focus 1.6 lx, the perfect car
    2002 new focus 1.6 lx again in silver, beautiful
    2005 new model focus 1.6 zetec, cant buy better
    2008 tdci order cancelled due to green party intervention.
    I remember every time I changed the car that there were certain people who would call me mad for buying new cars , "your mad buying new cars" they would say, "loses a fortune as soon as you drive it out the garage door, a waste of good money"
    So I would say nothing for a while and then would change the subject and look into the sky and say to them "what would you do if you won the lotto tonight?"
    The first thing they would all do is buy a new Merc.
    You see the experience of a new car doesnt come from just driving it, that is mostly it but it is also when you wash it on a saturday morning and look out the window at it sitting gleaming on your driveway and you get a feeling of pleasure that somehow justifies all the money you have spent. that makes it worthwhile.
    If you can afford to buy a new car but havent yet, try it , you,ll enjoy it.

    no offence, and i really mean that,

    but if you believe a 1.6 focus is the perfect car and a mazda 323f is the most beautiful car ever maybe you should take a look at second cars that give you more value for money,

    for example in what way is a 3yr old well maintained e class mercedes inferior to a brand new one apart from the number on the reg, think about it, theres a whole car world out there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Molly007 wrote: »
    Citroen C4 coupe...But the "2 door" thing was driving me crazy....

    I'm feeling the 3 door thing but most 5 door hatches are just far too sensible and boring but the Civic and leon are among the few exceptions.

    Why do they call them a coupe??? There's a few hatchbacks at the moment calling themselves coupes.

    Mrs Buckets hatchback is now Mrs Bouquet's coupe:D

    I won't buy a new til I can get a brand new version of the 10ish year old cars I drive at the moment. I believe my '98 A6 is every bit as good as the day it left the factory and cost the equivalent of about €75k or something like that.

    I'm not a fan of new for new's sake truth be told.

    If I had a new hatch budget, i'd go and buy this http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=446624


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    The "experience" of having an 08 in your driveway ..... only in Ireland :rolleyes:

    I won't be getting a 08, but I can assure you, all over the world people are getting brand new cars, its not just an Irish thing... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭jonnygee


    esel wrote: »
    Let me guess. You are 35-40 years old, and got married in 2001. You never lost that Stephen's Day feeling of waking up and realising you had a new trike/bike/Scalextric set - yippee!

    How'd I do?

    Sorry, you,re not even close, no more guesses allowed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    lightening wrote: »
    I won't be getting a 08, but I can assure you, all over the world people are getting brand new cars, its not just an Irish thing... :rolleyes:

    Most don't pay as much as we do though. Is it any wonder that half the decent cars in Ireland need several years of depreciation on UK roads before they come here.

    Polish workmates tell me that because of their weak currency, most new cars are unaffordable so most are 2nd hand German imports. Sounds familiar doesn't it? People buying new hatches for the same price as a house deposit confuses me sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Moonstone


    jonnygee wrote: »
    Is there anyone out there who cant wait for next week to finally get their hands on that new car that has kept them awake these past few weeks dreaming about the pleasure that this will bring them, let us know what you are buying if only to make us green with envy. I promise that I will not post any derogatory comments about what you are buying and I would ask everyone not to make any comments about whether it was a good or bad decision in their opionion.
    let us know as much information about your deal as you think is reasonable so that we can benifit from your experience to help us in our future dealings.
    Good luck to everyone that is taking delivery next week ,I hope you really enjoy the experience of having an 08 on your driveway.


    I am changing early in 08, still looking, maybe wait for the ads to start so I can see what deals there are. Any ideas ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭jonnygee


    Cyrus wrote: »
    no offence, and i really mean that,

    but if you believe a 1.6 focus is the perfect car and a mazda 323f is the most beautiful car ever maybe you should take a look at second cars that give you more value for money,

    for example in what way is a 3yr old well maintained e class mercedes inferior to a brand new one apart from the number on the reg, think about it, theres a whole car world out there

    Yeah, I would,nt argue with you about that, it was just a sort of a habit I got into during the nineties, you see i was able to change every year for around about 1500-1800 punts, new car sales were slow and deals were easy enough got, all that changed after 00 though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    cantdecide wrote: »
    People buying new hatches for the same price as a house deposit confuses me sometimes.

    Maybe they can afford it, to them its not a house deposit, its their budget for a car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    ah... I got you cantdecide, if they are over 30, living with their parents and buying hatchbacks with their house deposits, yes they are nuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    lightening wrote: »
    Maybe they can afford it, to them its not a house deposit, its their budget for a car.

    But if they have €25,000 to spend on a car and arrive home with a base model hatch, it's hardly been a good day's shopping has it? It's poor value for money IMO and 100% avoidable.

    There are all kinds of cars for all kinds of situations and simply picking up a hatchyback for almost twice what it's worth isn't my idea of fun. Good old 'come up the years' has been responsible for the loss of many a nest egg.

    I don't mean anything by this but I'd love to see the reaction to shag all new private car sales and another glut of used UK imports for the rebelling masses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    cantdecide wrote: »
    Good old 'come up the years' has been responsible for the loss of many a nest egg.

    I don't mean anything by this....

    I understand, I see exactly where you are coming from. I bought a new car in 06, they were just out, and I really wanted one. I could afford it, I was in a very good position to get it, so I did! (probably wouldn't do it again)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭craichoe


    I'd prefer to let someone else take the massive hit in devaluation in the first year.

    You can get much better bang for your buck on a second hand car. I also find alot of people spend as much as they can on the car but don't factor in maintenence costs at all and end up skimping on this part.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    craichoe wrote: »
    and end up skimping on this part.

    Yeah! Saw a Porchse Cayanne with out of date insurance and bald tyres!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭TheBazman


    Is it just me or is there an undercurrent of dislike for people here who buy new cars? I'd say there's a fair chance that most people who buy new cars are aware that they are going to take a huge hit on depreciation for the first couple of years, but still they decide to go ahead with it. Also once you decide that you are buying a new car it would take an awful lot of persuasion to change their mind into buying one thats a couple of years old.

    I dont want to kick off an argument here - its just something I have sensed on a couple of threads.

    Anyway best of luck to anyone who is getting a new motor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,364 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    I used to buy new cars but not anymore as I realised I was personally wasting money which seems more wrong as you get older (for me anyway). :(

    But I say if you want a brand new one then go out and get it. It means there are better bargins on the second hand market in years to come. Remember without new car sales there would be little or no second hand ones available so long may it continue.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    I normally change cars in March. I'm fortunate that depreciation doesn't hurt me financially.

    This year I'll be changing post June. Back to diesel. The new Kuga looks tempting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,475 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    TheBazman wrote: »
    Is it just me or is there an undercurrent of dislike for people here who buy new cars? I'd say there's a fair chance that most people who buy new cars are aware that they are going to take a huge hit on depreciation for the first couple of years, but still they decide to go ahead with it. Also once you decide that you are buying a new car it would take an awful lot of persuasion to change their mind into buying one thats a couple of years old.

    I dont want to kick off an argument here - its just something I have sensed on a couple of threads.

    Anyway best of luck to anyone who is getting a new motor

    not at all, i suppose its personal preference, for me, right now (and probably forever) it does not make sense.

    For example i know you are looking at a 535d, if i had your budget id be thinking, well i can get a 2 yr old e60m5 with 30,000 miles on it.

    i know thats not the most practical example but you get the idea, personally i cannot understand people spending 20 odd k on a 1.4 litre golf, i just dont get it, but then i suppose it isnt my money!

    im just a cranky (still young!) accountant, dont mind me :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    It makes 100% sense to buy that new golf as long as you don't mention the elephant in the room that is the initial outlay.

    Simply put, by spending more on running and less on purchase price (ie, buy used) with thes same budget you can increase value for money many times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    I want to change RIGHT NOW but as the car i'm after is a Mazda 6 diesel there should be at least a couple of grand knocked off the price in July when the VRT changes kick-in.

    Anyhows the diesel 6 isn't on the market 'til March...

    Never bought new before and may not this time if I change my mind - the timing of the VRT switchover is not suiting me. Not too bothered about the number-plate on a car (honestly!) - that's mainly the preserve of sad old people who change their 1.4 saloons every 2 years. And even sadder younger people who change their BMW/Audi/Merc every year and are up to their neck in repayments...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    JHMEG wrote: »
    Will that not be cheaper to buy and tax from 1st of July?

    JHMEG is both right and wrong oilrig. The 3.0 A5 will be in the 32% VRT category from July(compared to 30% now), however it will cost €1,000 to tax then, compared to ~€1,300 now. Of course 2007's International engine of the year costs around the same and is also in the same VRT bracket post July too(BMW 335i). It must be someway good at the very leasy, since we have a mod on VAG drivers who posts here driving one (MarkN);).

    As for the new car vs old car thing, I think many people have more money than sense when it comes to buying new cars. Lots of people buy the bottom of the range bog spec cars, "cause they're the cheapest one to buy and run".


    If they were smart they would change less often and buy the same car with a bigger engine and more kit but change less often. I've nothing against and indeed am all for people who buy top of the range cars, like oilrig buying a 3.0 A5 instead of the base 1.8T A5, but the people who 1.6 Avensis, 1.4 Focus and BMW 316is they're the bottom of the range and that by definition means they are not the best version of the car available I can't understand why they don't just wait a year, save some money and buy a 1.6 Focus, 1.8/diesel Avensis and 320i/d etc instead all in a higher spec version as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    I think the sadder of the 2 are the 1.4 crowd. Most don't even know what they're doing. Those indulging their car fantasies know exactly what they're doing and all the good reasons why they should be driving new 1.4 saloon instead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    Molly007 wrote: »
    I'm getting my new Civic next week, - trading in my beloved Citroen C4 coupe which I loved. But the "2 door" thing was driving me crazy and it had a lot of little niggly faults so I'm being real sensible and not going for another one. It was 3 years old, - ok its a bit extravagant but I dont smoke or do coke and I need some joy in my life. Drive safely......


    For the love of God, could you not just wait till July? The Civic will be in the 16% VRT category(compared to 22.5% now) then and will only cost €150 to tax per annum if you wait. A Civic registered before July is going to be worth less than one after not to mention the fact that it will be quite a bit cheaper to buy as well.


    A new Civic 1.4 should cost €21,840 after July(assuming Honda don't trouser the VRT difference), compared to €23,670 now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    cantdecide wrote: »
    I think the sadder of the 2 are the 1.4 crowd. Most don't even know what they're doing. Those indulging their car fantasies know exactly what they're doing and all the good reasons why they should be driving new 1.4 saloon instead.

    While I agree with you that that is pretty sad, the saddest bunch are the 316i brigade. If you're buying a 316i, 1.6 A4 etc you're buying a car because of the badge and not because of what it is IMO. If you say you do like cars then you would have bought a larger engined one like say a 320i or a 2.0 A4 that might be say a year or 2 old at the same price as your new 316i or 1.6 A4.

    If you are buying a 316i for the love of God just save the money and buy a well equipped Accord or Avensis or Mondeo etc(in any event those cars are very good in their own right anyway), or else spend the extra and get a bigger engine(especuially these cars where they only bring in the small engine because of our soon to be replaced VRT system, they don't sell them in UK for instance).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭drdre


    Will be changing soon but don't know what to get.The A5 as a company car sounds good. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    E92 wrote: »
    While I agree with you that that is pretty sad, the saddest bunch are the 316i brigade. If you're buying a 316i, 1.6 A4 etc you're buying a car because of the badge and not because of what it is IMO. If you say you do like cars then you would have bought a larger engined one like say a 320i or a 2.0 A4 that might be say a year or 2 old at the same price as your new 316i or 1.6 A4.

    If you are buying a 316i for the love of God just save the money and buy a well equipped Accord or Avensis or Mondeo etc(in any event those cars are very good in their own right anyway), or else spend the extra and get a bigger engine(especuially these cars where they only bring in the small engine because of our soon to be replaced VRT system, they don't sell them in UK for instance).

    As a general rule, you should get a top spec car for your budget. A new 316 makes me weep every time.

    Top spec accords, mazda 6s, legacies should be the new BMWs/ mercs in motorist-bashing Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭port


    Deal agreed on new 520d,nicely loaded. Expected date of delivery is 15/1/08.Deal now defered to 1-7-08 due to vrt changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    E92 wrote: »
    While I agree with you that that is pretty sad, the saddest bunch are the 316i brigade. If you're buying a 316i, 1.6 A4 etc you're buying a car because of the badge and not because of what it is IMO.
    This theory gets a lot of airtime around here and I, for one, don't agree with it. I've driven a few E90 316is and, while not fast, they are a very good car. You may like fast cars and so do I, but that does not mean that bhp is top of every buyers list. The build quality and simple feel on the road of a 316i may be enough reason for some buyers to take it over a Mondeo or whatever. If it's quick enough for the way they drive then why not?


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