Target shooting club/range list?

zero19

I don't see one stickied (i am sorry if i missed it!) Has anyone got a list of ranges and clubs in Leinster/Kildare? Thanks in advance gents

IRLConor

Here's all I know of.

zero19

Thank you

zero19

Also is anyone here a member of the City of Dublin Pistol Club? I'm thinking of making an application to join...

rrpc

zero19 wrote: »

Also is anyone here a member of the City of Dublin Pistol Club? I'm thinking of making an application to join...

The only one I know here is Kryten. Perhaps if you PM him he'll fill you in. The club's website is www.cityofdublinpistolclub.ie but you probably already know that.

zero19

Ok thanks PM'd him.

Sikamick

zero19 wrote: »

I don't see one stickied (i am sorry if i missed it!) Has anyone got a list of ranges and clubs in Leinster/Kildare? Thanks in advance gents

Hi,
Dublin Target Sports Club
Aghfarrell Target Range
Britta's


Tallaght by pass road to Blessington
Stop at the Blue Gardenia Pub.
Turn Left follow the road for a mile and a half
Stop at Murphys Quarry, the Gate on the left is the entrance to our Range.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club

You would be more than welcome to come and see our range.

Saturday 10 O'CLOCK TO FOUR. Bow / Pistol / Rifle.

Repeating Henry

Michael, I see you mentioned Bow as in archery at the DTSC Range.
Have you any members using the long Bow?
Do you have help and advice to get started with this sport.
What is the current membership of the Club, and how much to
Join for the year?

Sikamick

Repeating Henry wrote: »

Michael, I see you mentioned Bow as in archery at the DTSC Range.
Have you any members using the long Bow?
Do you have help and advice to get started with this sport.
What is the current membership of the Club, and how much to
Join for the year?

We use Compound and Recurve Bow, the Bow section has it's own seperate area off the Pistol/Rifle Range. We do have members that specialise in the Bow and they would be only to glad to help.

The pistol and Rifle share the same section of the Range at the moment and are used a different times.

We are in the process of setting up a seperate Range for Rifle.

We have 116 members, our Range is fully Authorized by the Garda.

Fees are 100 euro join up, 200 euro Membership per year, and if you dont have your own insurance it is 55 euro.

If you wish to contact me please e-mail me.

Regards

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club

bitemybanger

Anyone know of a range that can test the capabillity of 223s+?
Most of theese ranges wont accomadate for centrefires, looking for somwhere with a long range

rrpc

bitemybanger wrote: »

Anyone know of a range that can test the capabillity of 223s+?
Most of theese ranges wont accomadate for centrefires, looking for somwhere with a long range

Midlands in Tullamore. Have up to 600 yards.

Repeating Henry

Question. (1) Do you need to get a license for a bow.
(2) Can you hunt Deer legally with a bow of the correct power just
like using the correct rifle caliber anything above 22-250.


(2) Can a stalking license to use 44 mag in a carbine
be applied for as a short range woods rifle or will anything
above 270 cal get restricted.

Sikamick

Repeating Henry wrote: »

Question. (1) Do you need to get a license for a bow.
(2) Can you hunt Deer legally with a bow of the correct power just
like using the correct rifle caliber anything above 22-250.


(2) Can a stalking license to use 44 mag in a carbine
be applied for as a short range woods rifle or will anything
above 270 cal get restricted.

Reply to Repeating Henry

No a licence is not required for target bow.
No you cannot use a bow for deer stalking.
In relation to cross bow I am sure you need a license to have one and I am sure that they cannot be used for deer stalking.

One of the problems I see with people that are using Boards.ie is the amount of misinformation and scare mongering.

If you want to get the facts on firearms law contact the firearms legal section in the Department of Justice and if you want to get information on the wildlife acts and calibres that can be used for deer stalking contact Duchas wildlife Section, deer licensing.

Example as quoted by Duchas following a conversation I had yesterday with the regional Manager, question? is .270 calibre is going to be the maximum calibre for deer.

I have checked this with Duchas regional Manager, and he told me that there is no restriction on any calibres above 22.250. If a Superintendent will give a firearms license for any calibre above 22.250 then Duchas will issue a deer-hunting license if it will allow humane despatch.

Also if you going to join a rifle/pistol club, make sure before you pay any fees that they have a full range "authorization" and ask to see the document to prove it.

I hope that this is of some help to you.

Michael O’Connor
Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club.

rrpc

Mick

It wouldn't be any harm to add the details of your club to the boards Wiki. You can follow Conor's link and add stuff to your hearts content.

The more people and clubs that do this, the better the resource will be for prospective members.

IRLConor

rrpc wrote: »

It wouldn't be any harm to add the details of your club to the boards Wiki. You can follow Conor's link and add stuff to your hearts content.

Already done!

rrpc wrote: »

The more people and clubs that do this, the better the resource will be for prospective members.

Seconded. If people don't want to set up a wiki account or couldn't be arsed learning how to edit the wiki (it's easy, but you mightn't feel like it) feel free to PM me any material on your club that you have to hand and I'll add it in for you.

dGeneral

Also if you going to join a rifle/pistol club, make sure before you pay any fees that they have a full range "authorization" and ask to see the document to prove it.

I hope that this is of some help to you.

Michael O’Connor
Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club.[/quote]


Mick
My understanding is that there is no rifle/pistol clubs "authorised in the Republic of Ireland", as I applied for a pistol licence and told by the Superintendent that i have to be a member of an authorised rifle/pistol club. When i asked him as to what club was authorised he told me "none" have been authorised. :eek: (Snookered or was I) I checked a lot of clubs and true to his word, they were not authorised but in the process. So I looked at the law...........................for that 3 cushion escape "and bingo"......The new amendment states that you have to be a member of a rifle/pistol club to get a licence, but according to the Dept of Justice, that amendment is not passed and not in force yet. Law and behold........i dont need to be a member of any club.....:D........After pointing out to the Super, that the law he was using, had not been passed by the Senate and that I was prepared to point the same fact out to the courts, if he wanted to go down that road. "WAHLAA" I recieved my licence. So now I have the choice to test all the clubs shooting facilities with my own firearm before I join any of them.
Look forward to a visit of your club Mick..

newby.204

letter of the law maybe you dont have to be a member of a club, however your super doesnt have to give you a licence now does he?

dGeneral

Newby
Its in the Constitution that citizens have the rite to bear firearm/s and the law is to stop the likes of criminals "legally" bearing firearm/s. Ammendments are put in place to make it that bit harder and the Senate has to pass the Ammendments before they are Law. So if you've no criminal history and are fully complience with the up to date Firearms Act, you can apply for a firearm. The Superintendent's job is to up-hold the law not to make a law and if not happy with his decision, you have the rite to apply to the court and have a judge decide.

civdef

WTF?

The post above is best disregarded by anyone interest in act rather than fantasy.

Sparks

dGeneral wrote: »

sikamick wrote:

Also if you going to join a rifle/pistol club, make sure before you pay any fees that they have a full range "authorization" and ask to see the document to prove it.

Mick
My understanding is that there is no rifle/pistol clubs "authorised in the Republic of Ireland"

Technically, this is incorrect because it's a confused statement of something that is correct. Because the section of the firearms act brought in by the criminal justice act that lets a range be licenced has not yet been enacted (it will be section 4A), you can't get a range licence in Ireland right now so there are no licenced ranges. However, there are dozens if not hundreds of Authorised clubs, because an authorisation is not a licence, it is something else, and has been on the books since the '64 act, IIRC.
So there are several Authorised clubs, no Licenced clubs (as the legal framework to grant the licence isn't in place yet), and there are also a number of clubs which have passed a garda inspection (which itself has no legal weight, but which is intended to be a forerunner to the upcoming Range Licence system).

Law and behold........i dont need to be a member of any club

Actually, you do. Dunne v donohue led to the situation in law that now exists, which is that a superintendent can attach virtually any precondition he likes to your licence without difficulty. If he says you must be in a club, you'll find it's a lot cheaper to join a club - challanging it in the High court might well work - this year only, by next year it'll be law - but you're looking at a lot of dosh, the kind that makes the 'reasonably priced club' thread seem like arguing over pennies while paying your morgage
In other words, you got very, very, very lucky and I wouldn't push it with your super again for a long, long time

Sparks

dGeneral wrote: »

Newby
Its in the Constitution that citizens have the rite to bear firearm/s and the law is to stop the likes of criminals "legally" bearing firearm/s.

Good grief.
No, not in this country it's not. Never has been, never will be, and we're better off without it.
Your constitutional rights are in section 42. Read the book...

(what you do have is a right to apply for a licence, which isn't the same thing...)

MEAGLE.B

As the President of the Inner City Pistol Shooting Club, I agree with General. 21 of our 88 members came accross the same problem with Superintendents making up their own rules for refusing a pistol license, most hold some sort of firearm license(shotgun/rifle), only to be threatened with court action for them to issue the license.It is correct to say that there is no Authorised/Licensed Pistol clubs in Ireland, not one, that have been authorised or licensed by the Gardai, our club is in court proceedings to get such a license. Futhermore, "it is our Constitutional right", as the Irish Constitution is somewhat a copy of the American Constitution.

jaycee

He can't have checked a lot of ranges then .

1: I can think of some with authorisation from their Superintendents .
They regularly produce a copy of it for any member who has a need to see it.


2. The right to keep and bear arms , was never in our constitution.

Please Guys / Gals .. don't help spread disinformation .

civdef

Hard to know where to start really, Ye fellas ever actually seen a copy of said document?

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/html%20files/Constitution%20of%20Ireland%20(Eng).htm

See for yerselves, no right to bear arms no place.

DeVore

MEAGLE.B wrote: »

As the President of the Inner City Pistol Shooting Club, I agree with General. 21 of our 88 members came accross the same problem with Superintendents making up their own rules for refusing a pistol license, most hold some sort of firearm license(shotgun/rifle), only to be threatened with court action for them to issue the license.It is correct to say that there is no Authorised/Licensed Pistol clubs in Ireland, not one, that have been authorised or licensed by the Gardai, our club is in court proceedings to get such a license. Futhermore, "it is our Constitutional right", as the Irish Constitution is somewhat a copy of the American Constitution.

Irelands constitution is nothing like the US's. We have no first or fifth amendment.

Secondly, could you please identify yourself to me by PM? Can anyone confirm the existance of this Inner City Pistol Shooting Club? Do you have a website? I live in the inner city myself, can I come and visit?

DeV.

rrpc

MEAGLE.B wrote: »

It is correct to say that there is no Authorised/Licensed Pistol clubs in Ireland, not one, that have been authorised or licensed by the Gardai,

Yes there are. I'm a member of one and holding a copy of the authorisation as I type.

Section 2(4)(d)
(d) the possession, use or carriage of a firearm or ammunition during a competition or target practice at a club, shooting range or any other place that stands authorised under this section or section 4A of this Act.

Section 4A hasn't been commenced yet, but 2(4)(d) has been on the statute books since 1964.

The bit I quoted there was amended in 2006 to add the 4A reference.

rrpc

DeVore wrote: »

Secondly, could you please identify yourself to me by PM? Can anyone confirm the existance of this Inner City Pistol Shooting Club? Do you have a website? I live in the inner city myself, can I come and visit?

There's the 'City of Dublin Pistol Club', but I've never it being referred to as the Inner City... One of their members posts here, so perhaps he can confirm if there's any connection or not.

MEAGLE.B

DeVore...
Yes we are still accepting members and all inner city as well as surrounding area's are welcome. We are a pistol only shooting club with a 3 lane indoor gallery with a tea/coffee area. Admission is on a pistol only licence and by appointment only basis.We are currently in court proceedings for the issue of a Licence Certificate. Ballistics/Crime Prevention/Inspectors were happy with our premises but the hold up is the Superintendent.Send me a PM with a contact phone no and i'll be happy to show u around.

Sparks

MEAGLE.B wrote: »

As the President of the Inner City Pistol Shooting Club

I'd imagine the City of Dublin Pistol Club's President would know the name of his/her own club...

I agree with General. 21 of our 88 members came accross the same problem with Superintendents making up their own rules for refusing a pistol license

As is their legal right.

It is correct to say that there is no Authorised/Licensed Pistol clubs in Ireland, not one, that have been authorised or licensed by the Gardai

Wilkinstown (of which I'm the vice-chair), is authorised by the Gardai and has been inspected and passed by the Gardai. It has no range licence, because a range licence is granted under section 4A of the Firearms Act and that's not yet been enacted so noone can have one - but as rrpc correctly highlights, 2(4)(d) has been on the books since '64.

Futhermore, "it is our Constitutional right", as the Irish Constitution is somewhat a copy of the American Constitution.

In the same way that your ulnar collateral is somewhat a copy of your clunium...

dGeneral

MEAGLE.B wrote: »

DeVore...
Yes we are still accepting members and all inner city as well as surrounding area's are welcome. We are a pistol only shooting club with a 3 lane indoor gallery with a tea/coffee area. Admission is on a pistol only licence and by appointment only basis.We are currently in court proceedings for the issue of a Licence Certificate. Ballistics/Crime Prevention/Inspectors were happy with our premises but the hold up is the Superintendent.Send me a PM with a contact phone no and i'll be happy to show u around.

I wud be interested in the club are u based in Dublin City or other........

civdef

Call me cynical here, but the words "wind" and "up" are to the forefront of my mind at present.

No-one's that stupid, are they?

Sparks

I'd love to think so civ. I really, really, really, really, really, really would...

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

In the same way that your ulnar collateral is somewhat a copy of your clunium...

And the American constitution was copied from the French.. Which of course is why all Americans speak fluent French and have such exquisite clothes sense.

Not to mention their fine cuisine. :rolleyes:

Kryten

rrpc wrote: »

There's the 'City of Dublin Pistol Club', but I've never it being referred to as the Inner City... One of their members posts here, so perhaps he can confirm if there's any connection or not.

No Connection, Have not heard of this club either.

MEAGLE.B How long is your club in existance? Does your club have a website?

japbyrne

spoke to FO last week, he said i MUST BE MEMBER OF CLUB.

DeVore

MEAGLE.B wrote: »

DeVore...
Yes we are still accepting members and all inner city as well as surrounding area's are welcome. We are a pistol only shooting club with a 3 lane indoor gallery with a tea/coffee area. Admission is on a pistol only licence and by appointment only basis.We are currently in court proceedings for the issue of a Licence Certificate. Ballistics/Crime Prevention/Inspectors were happy with our premises but the hold up is the Superintendent.Send me a PM with a contact phone no and i'll be happy to show u around.

I'm not generally keen on sending my contact details to anyone on the site for reasons of personal safety and also for privacy. Call me paranoid but I have to deal with a number of cranks, weirdos and nazi (literally, the Irish Nazi Party) on a regular basis. Sorry to be all sooper-sekrit but only give that kind of information to people I know.

Anyway, can you tell me the name of your club? Is it the one linked above or another one or is it not up an running yet? If you can contact me I'm am actually kind of interested in learning more about this sport, since I did shoot targets in TCD when I was younger

DeV.

dGeneral

japbyrne wrote: »

spoke to FO last week, he said i MUST BE MEMBER OF CLUB.

Of course, he'll say that, as they dont want to give the firearm licence out that easy. There using the Amendment below which is not in force yet. We dont live in a police state "Thank God" Check out the Act below, contact the Dept of Justice enquiring about when that amendment was passed...? and if not, there using a law thats not passed...i.e. not in force........The Super can use his discression, but his discression is not law............

Firearms Act 2006

Section 4 Conditions of grant of firearm certificate.

Check it out, then put that to your firearms officer.....if your not getting through to him, suggest that your goin to apply to the courts. I went through the same **** and recieved mine.....I was not very very very lucky..!! They knew that a court would award in my favour and that, they would be wasting tax money in the process.

Being a member of a rifle/pistol covers the Supers arse, as he does'nt want ppl with hand pistols shooting in fields......but it will be mandatory to be a member of a (Authorised and Licenced) Club to renew your licence....maybe next year/the year after, but not as yet....

Hope it helps.................

newby.204

Unless you require a pistol for humane dispatch, and thus have a deer licence, why would require a pistol of any kind if you are not target shooting? If you are not commmited enough to join a target club to obtain a pistol and just intend to use it wherever you fancy!!

Why should he grant you a licence? If you do something stupid or have an inapropriate backstop and something happens, it is the supers arse on the line. He doesnt know you, why should he vouch for you by granting you a licence for a pistol with no clear place for discharge!

"(2) The conditions subject to which a firearm certificate may be granted are that, in the opinion of the issuing person, the applicant—


(a) has a good reason for requiring the firearm in respect of which the certificate is applied for,"

(e) where the firearm is a rifle or pistol to be used for target shooting, is a member of an authorised rifle or pistol club,


What other reason would you be applying for a pistol other than target shooting or humane dispatch? And therefore you should be a member of a target club or hold a deer licence, as a RESPONSIBLE firearms owner. Why put off the inevitable, if you will have to be a member, according to the law, in the future why whine about it and just do it now??


this is just my thoughts in a few moments, how many other reasons could a super come up with with a few weeks to mull over

Sparks

dGeneral wrote: »

Of course, he'll say that, as they dont want to give the firearm licence out that easy.

Which is his legal right, and since he bears the responsibility for ensuring the public safety, he's doing the right thing in doing so (so long as he doesn't go completely over the top).

The Super can use his discression, but his discression is not law.

Actually, it is. Read the last few paragraphs of the High Court's ruling on Dunne v Donoghue and how the Supreme Court agreed - they both said Supers could impose individual preconditions on applicants as they saw fit to protect the public safety.

Check it out, then put that to your firearms officer

Speaking as the author of both those documents, let me be the first to tell you that what you've taken from them was never put in them in the first place. Certainly the approach you're advocating, of waltzing into your local garda station with an aggressive mindset and an attitude of "I have a right to this, gimme gimme gimme" is as far from the point of those documents as you can get.

dGeneral

newby.204 wrote: »

Unless you require a pistol for humane dispatch, and thus have a deer licence, why would require a pistol of any kind if you are not target shooting? If you are not commmited enough to join a target club to obtain a pistol and just intend to use it wherever you fancy!!

Why should he grant you a licence? If you do something stupid or have an inapropriate backstop and something happens, it is the supers arse on the line. He doesnt know you, why should he vouch for you by granting you a licence for a pistol with no clear place for discharge!

"(2) The conditions subject to which a firearm certificate may be granted are that, in the opinion of the issuing person, the applicant—


(a) has a good reason for requiring the firearm in respect of which the certificate is applied for,"

(e) where the firearm is a rifle or pistol to be used for target shooting, is a member of an authorised rifle or pistol club,


What other reason would you be applying for a pistol other than target shooting or humane dispatch? And therefore you should be a member of a target club or hold a deer licence, as a RESPONSIBLE firearms owner. Why put off the inevitable, if you will have to be a member, according to the law, in the future why whine about it and just do it now??


this is just my thoughts in a few moments, how many other reasons could a super come up with with a few weeks to mull over

I've held .22 rifle's for over 10 years, "same category" as a pistol and the Super's arse was on the line back then, now the rifle is more powerful than the pistol..........do u agree....so Why does a Super give all the complications for a Target Pistol application....like the amendment you post above "which has NOT bein passed yet". I suggest u ring up the Dept of Justice to clarify that. My point is, I do not need to be member of any rifle/pistol club to get a target pistol licence........So dont tell me what I need or dont need, as I proved that, with my application, which was succesfull and more to the point, i'm still not a member of any rifle/pistol club...."Clear"....
RESPONSIBLE, I am very responsible............if not , i'm sure my 10+ years of holding "such permits" would be non existing.......

Sparks

dGeneral wrote: »

I've held .22 rifle's for over 10 years, "same category" as a pistol and the Super's arse was on the line back then

Until Dunne v Donoghue, the status of the Superintendent as persona designata (ie. they're in charge, noone can tell them what to do regarding licencing) was not established in case law. So it wasn't the same sitution as back then.

[qutoe]Why does a Super give all the complications for a Target Pistol application[/quote]
If you wander in and demand one, I'm not surprised you ran into complications. Several posters here have run into nothing like this. As to why, that's down to the Super. As to why he gave you the licence, I think you may be in for a surprise come renewal time.

Leupold

I think we are all being had here. The attitude shown by d'general explains why he is not a member of a club. although, if it exists, he may be a candidate for the inner city club or one of it's branches in Finglas, Tallaght or Drimnagh or he might join the sister club in Prague.l

dGeneral

Sparks wrote: »

Which is his legal right, and since he bears the responsibility for ensuring the public safety, he's doing the right thing in doing so (so long as he doesn't go completely over the top).


Actually, it is. Read the last few paragraphs of the High Court's ruling on Dunne v Donoghue and how the Supreme Court agreed - they both said Supers could impose individual preconditions on applicants as they saw fit to protect the public safety.


Speaking as the author of both those documents, let me be the first to tell you that what you've taken from them was never put in them in the first place. Certainly the approach you're advocating, of waltzing into your local garda station with an aggressive mindset and an attitude of "I have a right to this, gimme gimme gimme" is as far from the point of those documents as you can get.

Preconditions, are not Law, advocating? just suggesting, as for Waltzing, I don't dance, as for the aggressive minset and attitude, all of which you describe (IN YOUR AUTHOR WORDS), if all of the above is what you think, would I have got anywhere.....No.....
But I did and sorry to , YOU TAUGHT WRONG....very very very wrong....
If half of the people here listen to your wisdom/advice they would get nowhere, I explained my points on getting my licence (something i was entilted to) and how successful my application was. Now, do you want me to explain the day I went to collect my Target Pistol..........I will if want:D.........Kindergarden books may be a suggestion to futher your career as an Author..........:D

Sparks

dGeneral wrote: »

Preconditions, are not Law

Correct but wrong. Preconditions are not law, but the law (specifically, the case law, and once it's commenced, statute law) states that you must comply with the preconditions.

as for the aggressive minset and attitude, all of which you describe (IN YOUR AUTHOR WORDS)

I think that with this we've crossed the line between a wind-up that can be used to disseminate information by answering the questions most people would feel uncomfortable asking, and into the region of a wind-up which isn't contributing and which is aimed at being disruptive for no good reason.

DeVore

dGeneral, I'm asking you bluntly and in public if you are Declan Keogh or have any connection to him or to FLAG??

DeV.

newby.204

im bowing out now i was just trying to be constructively critical of your position and show you another pov clealry i was wrong to bother no more from me on this thread.

rrpc

DeVore wrote: »

Anyway, can you tell me the name of your club? Is it the one linked above or another one or is it not up an running yet? If you can contact me I'm am actually kind of interested in learning more about this sport, since I did shoot targets in TCD when I was younger

DeV.

If you're really interested DeV, you could always drop down to Rathdrum. We do everything that you would have done in Trinity plus .22 target pistol. All on electronic targets.

I know we're not in the city, but Connolly station is, and the train station in Rathdrum is about a five minute walk to our range

You could leave Connolly at twenty to five and be shooting by quarter past six. Finish at quarter to nine and be back in Dublin by ten fifteen....

You'd be very welcome. All you have to do is send me a PM and I'll send you my contact details


www.rathdrumrpc.org

DeVore

DeVore wrote: »

dGeneral, I'm asking you bluntly and in public if you are Declan Keogh or have any connection to him or to FLAG??

DeV.

Well?

DeV.

bunny shooter

Does right to silence work here

Sparks

/me relaxes now that he doesn't have to try to be an impartial mod

Ain't no rights round these here parts, boy...

bunny shooter

Dictatorship, a good idea as long as you agree with dictator