Andy Lee Saturday night

Kess73

Just a quick reminder that Andy Lee is fighting for the Irish Super middleweight title on Saturday. Anybody else heading to the fight be sure to roar him on. Great kid, great talent, and fingers crossed, a great future that brings him a few world title belts. The lad is a credit to the game.

He is boxing Jason McKay from Belfast. McKay is a natural Light heavyweight in size, and brings a record of 18-1 into the fight with him.

He is durable, and generally boxes to win on the cards rather than trying for a stoppage.


Andy to stop him in 6

yomchi

I said 7 in an earlier thread about this fight. I'll be there either way

walshb

Lee weighed in at 160lbs to his opponents 159lbs for their
super middleweight fight. Both make the middle limit for a fight at super middle...Bit strange

If McKay is a natural LH in size, what's he doing weighing in so light???

dlofnep

"The undefeated Lee tipped the scales at 162 pounds while McKay registered 161 pounds. "

I got that from BrianPeter's promotions.

sligobhoy67

is this on rte? will those of us living in blighty get to see it on rte.ie??

walshb

dlofnep wrote: »

"The undefeated Lee tipped the scales at 162 pounds while McKay registered 161 pounds. "

I got that from BrianPeter's promotions.

I got 11-6 and 11-5 for Lee and McKay respectively from RTE.....

Kess73

walshb wrote: »

Lee weighed in at 160lbs to his opponents 159lbs for their
super middleweight fight. Both make the middle limit for a fight at super middle...Bit strange

If McKay is a natural LH in size, what's he doing weighing in so light???

That is light for him, he has weighed over 170lbs in bouts in the past.

He was 173lbs when he won the Irish light heavyweight title last year.


He has bounced between 163 and 175 for most of his career, weigh in wise anyway.

JMCD

What time is Andy in the ring at? I know coverage starts at 9 so was just wondering

Kess73

Am looking forward to this, my mate is picking me up at 17:00 and then it is up to Dublin for a night of boxing. Think he is bringing some of the lads from one of the boxing clubs in town with him so should be a good night.

Mrmotivator007

Andy should ko him by id say round 5 or 6,id be surprised if it whent any further,hes gonna be a two weight world champion in my oppinion,hes the real deal

jayroyal

seen in paper yesterday he's 10/1 to be world hampion in 2009 thats has to be a sure thing eh

ian.f

jayroyal wrote: »

seen in paper yesterday he's 10/1 to be world hampion in 2009 thats has to be a sure thing eh

What bookie was offering this? I need to know!!

Roper

If anyone is watching this on the tv there's a slobberknocker on between Moffit and Heagney!

Barlow07

Roper wrote: »

If anyone is watching this on the tv there's a slobberknocker on between Moffit and Heagney!

Yeh, a decent fight in fairness, both are trying very hard. I love the sport in general.

What time is Andy Lee on does anyone know?

Barlow07

Great stopage, didnt see that coming i have to say, i thought Heagney was going to win on points. Heagney was just to tired and probably a bit much for him, they went at it hammer and tongs for eight rounds.

jon1981

which one of them was born with the silver spoon? (as the commentators put it? )

efb

Andy Lee as he's a ft professional, according to Jim Rock, pfft...

Oilrig

quite excited by Andy, if he's managed properly I think he has a real chance at a title.

yomchi

Another good win for Andy, I thought he looked very calm throughout, I reckon he could have stopped him earlier if he really wanted to. Emanuel Stewart said that the next fight could be Duddy or Pavlik, and that Andy would KO Pavlik - that would be some battle.
All in all,Andy was a class above McKay tonight.

Good support card too, hats off to BP again.

nacho libre

I'd like Lee to fight somone like Lockett before going near Pavlik.

JMCD

Was there last night and was highly impressed with Andy....lookd real calm and confident........
Going to make a big call by saying Andy could be considered one of the all time greats in about ten years if he keeps progressing! Has all the ammo needed.

Would give JD a boxing lesson IMO.

Ian.f think its Ladbrokes thats offering 10/1.......but not sure.....one thing I am sure off is that you wont get them odds today.

cowzerp

Jon wrote: »

Emanuel Stewart said that the next fight could be Duddy or Pavlik, and that Andy would KO Pavlik - that would be some battle.
All in all,Andy was a class above McKay tonight.

Good support card too, hats off to BP again.

Nah he'd slaughter duddy, 3 rounds i'd say.. good for advertising but different class i'd say..

yomchi

I agree Paul, I meant Pavlik and Lee. Although I'd say Duddy would last longer than 3 rounds with Lee. Without doubt Lee is world class.

Kess73

Have to agree that Lee Vs Duddy would be a short night's work for Lee, imho.


Lee is a different class and has a nice, if awkward looking, old style stance about him. The kid has an awful lot more in his locker than what he has shown so far though.

As for Lee-Pavlik. If it was in the morning, I think Pavlik may shade it on experience, but give Andy four or five more fights and he will stop Pavlik.

Davey Devil

What was the story with the Ladbrokes logo in the ring?

It was like a flag laying loose on the canvas. I was convinced one of them was going to trip and do an ankle in.

walshb

I'm not all that sure LEE beats Duddy.
I'm just not SOLD on Lee to be honest.

He is lacking something, explosiveness, spark and dimension.

He's a nice stand up straight boxer, but has yet
to prove to me that he can really up the tempo
and change gear. His opponent
Saturday was very very ordinary.

Lee got him out eventually, but he never really
took him out. He lacked that real explosive killer
instinct. It's early days and I hope Lee has another gear,
but right now I think a world title is just pure fantasy
and unattainable

Moffats's title win was billiant.
What a real gutsy and hard fought battle,
with Moffat displaying brilliant
finishing ability. He must
have thrown 7-8 rapid fire shots, all
connecting beautifully

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I'm not all that sure LEE beats Duddy.
I'm just not SOLD on Lee to be honest.

He is lacking something, explosiveness, spark and dimension.

He's a nice stand up straight boxer, but has yet
to prove to me that he can really up the tempo
and change gear. His opponent
Saturday was very very ordinary.

Lee got him out eventually, but he never really
took him out. He lacked that real explosive killer
instinct. It's early days and I hope Lee has another gear,
but right now I think a world title is just pure fantasy
and unattainable

I'd agree with you , if Duddy was to fight Lee now I would put my money on Duddy .

I also think Andy seems to lack that killer instinct , but on the plus side of things he seems to keep improving which gives me hope he'll become a better finisher .

Andy Lee is not World class now , he may not be European title class either(although I don't think that much of Sylvester) now imo he probably will reach World class in the not too distant future but the way some people are talking it reminds me of Brits talking about Amir Khan . A lot think Khan is good enough to win a World title now , which is simply ridiculous .

Lee's chin is unproven too and although I reckon it'll be fine you never know .
Too beat Pavlik you need more than a good chin , you need a granite one combined with good defense .

Pavlik would probably put Lee away in 2 rounds at the minute .

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I'd agree with you , if Duddy was to fight Lee now I would put my money on Duddy .

I also think Andy seems to lack that killer instinct , but on the plus side of things he seems to keep improving which gives me hope he'll become a better finisher .

Andy Lee is not World class now , he may not be European title class either(although I don't think that much of Sylvester) now imo he probably will reach World class in the not too distant future but the way some people are talking it reminds me of Brits talking about Amir Khan . A lot think Khan is good enough to win a World title now , which is simply ridiculous .

Lee's chin is unproven too and although I reckon it'll be fine you never know .
Too beat Pavlik you need more than a good chin , you need a granite one combined with good defense .

Pavlik would probably put Lee away in 2 rounds at the minute .

Spot on. It's interesting you brought up Khan.
He is so so talented and is offensively a very
brilliant fighter. Give him 18-24 months and
IMO he will be a the TOP, providing he proves
he has the chin and championship stamina.

I think he definitely possesses the skill, speed, power and all round ring
generalship and is a real star....

Comparing him and Lee is laughable, not that you did.....

Khan is streets ahead in terms of skill, speed, p4p power and potential..
He's a proven commodity so far and has done everything
that has benn asked of him. He even climbed off the
canvas and took his opponent out....

I'm going to be BOLD and say that at this stage
in his career, aged only 21, Khan is a better fighter
than PBF when he was 21...

Khan was also a better amateur fighter and IMO would have beat
PBF when he was an amateur.....

Khan is faster and hits harder and has better offense by far
than PBF....

Remember I am comparing them at the first couple of
years into their PRO careers and for their respective age...

cowzerp

Bren and big ears, you've got to be joking about Duddy beating Lee!!
Lee was up against a tough boxer in jason mckay on saturday night and that was never going to be easy but he done the job and was not at his best.
Duddy made hard work of a 37 year old contender!

mckay should try to get a fight with duddy and i see that going jasons way.

Andy would beat john in 3-4 rounds in my opinion and will go on to win a world title imo, He lives and spars with cintron every day and is been trained by the legendary manny steward, he's only a young guy and in my opinion reminds me of Hearns, same awkward looking style but lots of talent.

Duddy is more like a low standard steve collins, i still support him but feel he is at his correct level right now..

walshb

Paul, absolutely not joking. Maybe Lee is class, but to me he looked extremely
cumbersome and awkward. He didn't possess the killer instinct and McKay
was preety ordinary....Can he improve?, sure, but will this be enough?
Not as far as I can see. He's technically good, but slow on his feet and
is too one dimensional. I didn't see him really open up and explde in any fashion?

I'm afraid the jury is very much still out regarding Lee...

Duddy will be a whole different prospect than McKay..

Duddy has a very good chin, stamina and decent power.
His workrate will test Lee and trouble Lee..

He will IMO be a real test for Lee and should Lee
put Duddy away, he will have shown me that
he is class, at least more classy than what I have seen to date...

Will they fight?

Probably not, as both are a threat to each others prospects...

As for Eastman, yes he is 37, but still a very hard opponent and
tonnes harder than McKay...Eastman is crafty and a real
good veteran with proven talent and experience

Eastman would have whupped McKay....

So Duddy's fight with Howard was a lot
harder than Lee's with McKay....

yomchi

I agree with Cowzerp, I disagree that Lee was one dimensional he unleashed a number a quick fire combo's on McKays head, he was fantastically light on his fight and set McKay up several times for that big stright left, which opened McKay up early on.
To say Lee hasn't got that killer instinct is off as well, from his 14 pro fights 11 have been through KO. He can stop hard fighters with either hand, take Carl Daniels for example, former world champion. I know he was past it, but no immediate push over. Looking at Lee and seeng how relaxed and confident in the ring he is, I'd be quite sure he has the extra nuts and bolts if he ever had to step it up. Duddy is too predictable for Lee, Lee would set him up easy for the left hand. Cowzerps analogy of Duddy as an early day Steve Collins is spot on, the one thing Duddy is not getting that Lee is, is sparring sessions with Kermit Cintron and Klitchsko etc, he's growing more and more confident as time goes by. McKay had a decent record too, he caught Lee with maybe 3 solid right hands, he shook Lee's quiff but didn't phase the man under it.
My money is on Lee, Duddy has also 10 more fights than Lee has, when Duddy had 14 fights no one was saying much or claiming any real talent at that point.
just my 2p

megadodge

Interesting viewpoints here.
For what it's worth I think Lee has a lot of ability, skill and good boxing brain and I think he'd beat Duddy either widely on points or late stoppage (assuming his stamina has improved as it was slightly suspect in his amateur days), but I agree though that Eastman is a tougher test than McKay.


There are still questions about his chin and his power is ok but nothing special (definitely not Hearns-like), but no matter I still don't see him beating Pavlik in the next two years (if ever). He'd be better off avoiding Pavlik altogether.

With regard to Khan, there is the obvious question of his chin, but even allowing for that I don't think what Walshb said is far off the mark. He is a brilliant talent and offensively excellent. He will probably take less risks the better the opponent (ala Mayweather) but because of his offensive 'desire' he will end up being hit more than Mayweather and that's when the questions about his chin will be answered. I would regard him as being a much better prospect than Lee.

Mrmotivator007

pavlik at the moment is eying up a fight against lee,I think if you go by thatlee would certainly have a fight with him late next year early 09,Lee would outclass duddy hes got too much skill (and can also back it up with power in both hands),all duddy has going for him is hes brave,lee even at this point in time would be too much for duddy.lee fought mckay,who duddy has avoided for the last few years.mckay was a decent and tough durable opponent who has never been giving a beating like that.and andy managed to stop him in the chair,id like to see andy step up the quality of his opponent,but not too quicky.

walshb

If Pavlik is eyeing up Lee, it's for an easy payday

buck65

I don't agree necessarily, I would rate Lee as an outsider in a Pavlik match but not an easy pay day. Lee has the ability to stop opponents with either hand. Saturday night was a good win for Lee, he totally controlled the fight and Mc Kay was black and blue after it proving that Lee has power. I like Lee more and more and has some amazing knockouts on Youtube. Maybe another 4 or 5 fights and this boy will be ready to step up to a title fight.
Absolutely way ahead of Duddy in ability. Lee at 6'2 could also move up a weight level or 2 in time as well.

nacho libre

the difference between Duddy and Lee is that Lee can step it up a gear, Duddy from what i've seen can't. Duddy is tough and has great heart but he is a one dimesional fighter.
That said i don't see Lee beating Pavlik as i suspect he won't be able cope with Pavlik's power and Lee's punching power is overrated. He should have been able to take Mc Kay out considering the domination he had in that fight.
I can see Lee winning some version of the middleweight title but beating the like of Taylor and Pavlik i don't think so.

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

the difference between Duddy and Lee is that Lee can step it up a gear, Duddy from what i've seen can't. Duddy is tough and has great heart but he is a one dimesional fighter.
That said i don't see Lee beating Pavlik as i suspect he won't be able cope with Pavlik's power and Lee's punching power is overrated. He should have been able to take Mc Kay out considering the domination he had in that fight.
I can see Lee winning some version of the middleweight title but beating the like of Taylor and Pavlik i don't think so.

What examples did Lee provide us with from Saturday night that he has got
more gears? You say he isn't one dimensional, yet you say he should have put McKay away more efficiently? If he eally had other gears, IMO he should have been able to really explode, without being too reckless and take McKay out early....I thought he dominated, but I still thought he plodded his way
to victory when a really good pro would have wiped McKay's slate...

King John V

Taking McKay out very early was never on the cards. McKay had good endurance and toughness about him and was never going to be knocked out too easy. Lee on the other hand had the skills and moves...waiting to lure McKay in on the wrong side before setting up the counter. A great title prospect for next year imo.

jayroyal

lee won't be fighting lee or pavlik anytime soon it's all talk .

King John V

why do you think that?

Running Bing

Big Ears wrote: »

I'd agree with you , if Duddy was to fight Lee now I would put my money on Duddy .

I also think Andy seems to lack that killer instinct , but on the plus side of things he seems to keep improving which gives me hope he'll become a better finisher .

Andy Lee is not World class now , he may not be European title class either(although I don't think that much of Sylvester) now imo he probably will reach World class in the not too distant future but the way some people are talking it reminds me of Brits talking about Amir Khan . A lot think Khan is good enough to win a World title now , which is simply ridiculous .

Lee's chin is unproven too and although I reckon it'll be fine you never know .
Too beat Pavlik you need more than a good chin , you need a granite one combined with good defense .

Pavlik would probably put Lee away in 2 rounds at the minute .

Thats just the casual crowd though who watch the fight down the pub and think "he slaughtered that fella he must be one of the best in the world":rolleyes:

Both Kahn and Lee are tremendous prospects imo but they have a long way to go before they are fighting the likes of Pavlik and Im sorry but anyone who says differently does not know a lot about the sport.



Think Lee looks the real deal though. He reminds me of Thomas Hearns and the more expereince he gets the better he will get.

mike4819

I believe and hope that Andy really is something special. He's got his own stiff kinda style but he really makes it work.
And no offense to anyone, but am I ever sick to death of hearing about Pavlic.

yomchi

Both Kahn and Lee are tremendous prospects imo but they have a long way to go before they are fighting the likes of Pavlik and Im sorry but anyone who says differently does not know a lot about the sport

Back to law school for Emanuel Stewart

megadodge

And no offense to anyone, but am I ever sick to death of hearing about Pavlic.

In fairness to him, his last two fights have been hugely impressive - except for the stupid jutting of his chin and getting nailed in the Taylor bout - as they were both against top-notch fighters that many favoured. He was also a very good amateur and his power is for real.

cowzerp

megadodge wrote: »

In fairness to him, his last two fights have been hugely impressive - except for the stupid jutting of his chin and getting nailed in the Taylor bout - as they were both against top-notch fighters that many favoured. He was also a very good amateur and his power is for real.

Hear Hear, he's a brilliant boxer and a great fighter to watch..

nacho libre

Babybing wrote: »

Thats just the casual crowd though who watch the fight down the pub and think "he slaughtered that fella he must be one of the best in the world":rolleyes:

Both Kahn and Lee are tremendous prospects imo but they have a long way to go before they are fighting the likes of Pavlik and Im sorry but anyone who says differently does not know a lot about the sport.



Think Lee looks the real deal though. He reminds me of Thomas Hearns and the more expereince he gets the better he will get.

except he doesn't have anything like Hearn's power. with his dominance against mckay he should have been able to knock him out. i don't question that he has ability, but i'm not sure he really has the power everyone says he has and is he able to take heavy shots? i suspect that if Eastman were to fight Lee, and connected with some of those uppercuts he landed on Duddy, Lee would go down.

you can be as skillfull as you like but if you have a suspect chin you won't get to the very top. This is why the likes of Khan and Lee with all their ability may not make it all the way.

cowzerp

nacho libre wrote: »

i suspect that if Eastman were to fight Lee, and connected with some of those uppercuts he landed on Duddy, Lee would go down.

you can be as skillfull as you like but if you have a suspect chin you won't get to the very top. This is why the likes of Khan and Lee with all their ability may not make it all the way.

Lee has plenty of power and was fighting a natural light heavyweight, Why do you doubt his chin, its been hit hard many times and has never shown any signs of weakness? also the difference between duddy and lee is Eastman would not have landed the uppercuts on lee,.

Running Bing

Jon wrote: »

Back to law school for Emanuel Stewart

No he's a good trainer but if believes half the ****e he spouts then he really doesnt know much about boxing.


He makes me laugh the way he gets so carried away though....He comes over with his Ireland hoody, has a few pints of guiness, puts his hand on his heart for the Irish national anthem(lol) and says Andy will go down as one of the greatest of all time.

I swear to god if he got a job at Pepsi he'd be comparing it to a 68 Don Perrignon.:D

nacho libre

cowzerp wrote: »

Lee has plenty of power and was fighting a natural light heavyweight, Why do you doubt his chin, its been hit hard many times and has never shown any signs of weakness? also the difference between duddy and lee is Eastman would not have landed the uppercuts on lee,.

well, that's true Lee has better defense then Duddy. However, i'm still not convinced by Lee's chin or his power. As walshb mentioned he should have been able to take McKay out rather than McKay retiring. Also by taking a shot i mean would he be able to cope with the power of someone like Pavlik or Froch?

Mrmotivator007

havnt seen andy hit so i dont know if you can doubht he has a chin,mckay teired in the chair ,and hes a very tough boxer who as far as i know hasnt tetired from a fight before,he was as good as knocked out in the round before that.

ANY news on who hes fighting next,would like to see him fight macklin

megadodge

Why do you doubt his chin, its been hit hard many times and has never shown any signs of weakness?

Because he was KO'd as an amateur by Michael Sweeney.
Not stopped but KO'd proper.

Sweeney is a bigger man and a good puncher, but it does put the doubt out there.