Why I am sticking with Win XP

conor2007

dont get me wrong

im only using xp cos its all i can use/afford - plus its a family computer

mac osx - now thats a beauty - no codecs - no third party (besides playing wmv)

nesf

If I wasn't a gamer I'd probably use Linux full time. If you play a lot of games and you have an XP licence I don't see why you wouldn't at least use it for gaming. It's just not worth the hassle imho of struggling to get a new game to run on linux when you get back home from the shop.

conor2007

or bypass both and use a mac

Capt'n Midnight

conor2007 wrote: »

or bypass both and use a mac

Don't use Linux, use BSD

Pawwed Rig

My post was about Ubuntu from the start

bushy...

What did you want to run under wine anyway out of interest?

Pawwed Rig

I couldn't even get WINE loaded so gave up on the whole project tbh

pickarooney

WINE has been part of the standard install of the last few Ubuntu releases. Maybe you couldn't install it because it was already there?

Otherwise 'sudo apt-get install wine' should sort you out.

I think I used wine once. Didn't see the point.

ntlbell

I'm not sure why you started this thread.

There is without a doubt a market for Microsoft OS's and you seem to be one of the people that it suits.

That's fine. Use whatever OS works for you, XP does so use it.

Pawwed Rig

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm not sure why you started this thread.

There is without a doubt a market for Microsoft OS's and you seem to be one of the people that it suits.

That's fine. Use whatever OS works for you, XP does so use it.

I started this thread because this is a discussion forum.
Re using XP. If you had read any of my responses you would see that it doesn't suit me hence my reason for wanting to change.

bushy...

Try a few more , http://www.pcbsd.org/

ntlbell

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I started this thread because this is a discussion forum.
Re using XP. If you had read any of my responses you would see that it doesn't suit me hence my reason for wanting to change.

Using a non microsoft OS can require two things the capability to read and think for yourself, a lot of people are not capable of this, so XP/Vista/OS X is the way to go for them.

I'm not sure if I read all your responses but apart from unwanted downloads you didn't specify what XP couldn't do that you require it to do.

nesf

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Re using XP. If you had read any of my responses you would see that it doesn't suit me hence my reason for wanting to change.

If you can't get WINE running and need to run a lot of Windows native apps then you mightn't have a choice tbh.

Khannie

ntlbell wrote: »

Using a non microsoft OS can require two things the capability to read and think for yourself, a lot of people are not capable of this, so XP/Vista/OS X is the way to go for them.

That's a nasty implication and OTT IMO. Using linux as your desktop OS requires more work than windows to make the initial switch. A lot of people who are used to windows are going to find this frustrating and may give up initially. There's no problem in that. In fact, I'd say it's natural.

Instead of telling them that they're incapable of thinking, a bit of support might go a long way.

ntlbell

Khannie wrote: »

That's a nasty implication and OTT IMO. Using linux as your desktop OS requires more work than windows to make the initial switch. A lot of people who are used to windows are going to find this frustrating and may give up initially. There's no problem in that. In fact, I'd say it's natural.

Instead of telling them that they're incapable of thinking, a bit of support might go a long way.

All the above is solved by the two things I mentioned above. Reading and thinking for yourself, which the OP thinks is OTT as he feels he shouldn't have to browse a forum to get the software to run.

If he is not willing to browse over some readme files or ubuntu forums or jump into an irc room, I don't see why he would read any support I offer here?

I'm lost on your logic.

Pawwed Rig

ntlbell wrote: »

Using a non microsoft OS can require two things the capability to read and think for yourself, a lot of people are not capable of this, so XP/Vista/OS X is the way to go for them.

I'm not sure if I read all your responses but apart from unwanted downloads you didn't specify what XP couldn't do that you require it to do.

Wow thank you. My first insult on this site.
I can do both I assure you.

ntlbell

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Wow thank you. My first insult on this site.
I can do both I assure you.

You can take it up as an insult if that's what you wish to do.

Or you can recognize that perhaps you were a bit lazy, take what was said at face value, read a bit, get your wine working, and get away from a company that you despise.

No insult was intended.

Pawwed Rig

So I don't have the capability to read and think for myself and I am lazy??? If you have nothing constructive to add to the thread why bother? Over and out.

ntlbell

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

So I don't have the capability to read and think for myself and I am lazy??? If you have nothing constructive to add to the thread why bother? Over and out.

Well you keep proving in this thread you can't read. i said " a lot of people" i never said you couldn't I said you were lazy.

but based on your responses to me in this thread you're proving you are lazy and are unable to read.

If you don't want people to criticise you while you criticise the work that hundreds of people give up their own time and in some cases they're own money to bring you something for free, the least you can do is put in a small bit of effort and not start "i'm not using X os because i'm too much of a moron" threads

over and out good sir.

aidan_walsh

ntlbell wrote:

Stuff.

And to think people wonder why Linux has a reputation of being the domain of elitist pr*cks.

ntlbell

aidan_walsh wrote: »

And to think people wonder why Linux has a reputation of being the domain of elitist pr*cks.

I can't see how expecting someone to make at least a small effort by READING as being an elitist <anything>

interesting observation tho

mach1982

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

If I knew what a trolling was.......
I never said Windows was better. The reason I wanted to change is a complete aversion to microsoft and all it stands for.
It wasn't what I was trying to run in WINE. I couldn't even get WINE to run which I am sure you agree is a fairly critical starting point.

.

Well no actual, I have never used WINE, any way all you need to was use apt-get install wine , or do it through the GUI, and configure ever thing, and if not use did you ever thing using google , chances are there some tutorial on how to use WINE. All you need a is a bit patience. Also you need know how to ask question on Linux forum. Gooleg before you ask the question that way it show that you tried to figure the problem out yourself.

mach1982

Should have read all your replies ,

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

One of my biggest beefs is you end up downloading stuff for both Windows and Linux that you don't need. XP at least lets you choose what you download whereas Ubuntu won't let you discard items you don't want and that is IF you can figure out what they actually are so much so that I've disabled all further updates.

In the open source world , new version comes out about ever month( ubuntu it self come ever 6 months ) most of the stuff Ubuntu downloads are small updates to important programs.

Pawwed Rig

Ok. I hadda bit of time over the hols so had another bash at this and was actually kinda successful (at first anyway). I decided to update to the latest Ubuntu as I was running on 6.10. I had to do this in 2 stages first of to version 7.04 and then to 7.10. This much to my surprise worked first time.
I wanted a Instant messenger app so after failing once more to load WINE I checked out Pidgin which also worked and imported my contacts beautifully. I am thinking this Linux isn't too bad but then I tried to load Java. 4 hours later I threw my laptop against the wall.................

ntlbell

I', not sure what you're doing it usually takes about 30 seconds or so.

https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html

sobriquet

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I wanted a Instant messenger app so after failing once more to load WINE I checked out Pidgin which also worked and imported my contacts beautifully. I am thinking this Linux isn't too bad but then I tried to load Java. 4 hours later I threw my laptop against the wall.................

This seems very strange: is your approach to doing anything on Ubuntu to try and get the windows program for that task to work on WINE? If it is, then you're right, Ubuntu and WINE aren't going to be up to the task. As with Pidgin, you may find more success in trying to a native application than run an application for another platform through an emulation layer. As ntlbell says, try to get Java running by running the programs that were intended to be run on Ubuntu, that goes for pretty much everything else too.

mach1982

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Ok. I hadda bit of time over the hols so had another bash at this and was actually kinda successful (at first anyway). I decided to update to the latest Ubuntu as I was running on 6.10. I had to do this in 2 stages first of to version 7.04 and then to 7.10. This much to my surprise worked first time.
I wanted a Instant messenger app so after failing once more to load WINE I checked out Pidgin which also worked and imported my contacts beautifully. I am thinking this Linux isn't too bad but then I tried to load Java. 4 hours later I threw my laptop against the wall.................

once again you proven you have no patience, if had even googled , you realised that

1. you can download the new version of ubuntu( 45 mins)
2. Java in repsitory just use apt-get install and make sure it SUNs
3. You DO NOT nee to use WINE, there GAIM which works on nearly all IMs.( AIM,MSN. Jabber)

I have one more piece of advice RTFM ( Read the F**king Manual)

Before you come back and complain do a bit Googleing and it might help you.

See that to lazy to it yourself here how install java

Pawwed Rig

Jesus lads yez are so touchy about the whole Linux thing.
I posted that I downloaded the upgrade to Ubuntu without any probs although 45 mins is a bit optimistic but I'm sure it depends on your internet connection.
Also I posted that I got Pidgin running Ok, which is GAIM under a different name as far as I understand.
I then posted (somewhat tongue in cheek) that I spent 4 hours trying to download java. In that time do you not think I would have tried a couple of websites??
To be honest the touchiness of some of the users here is a real turn off. You're the second person that told me I was lazy for not having the know how to do something. Another guy implied I was stupid and couldn't read!! My original post was about how hard it is to change Operating systems and I'm beginning to see why more people don't bother trying. Not everyone has the tech know how to overcome these obstacles at the first try.

FruitLover

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I am thinking this Linux isn't too bad but then I tried to load Java. 4 hours later I threw my laptop against the wall.................[/COLOR]

As monkey said earlier, Linux is not Ubuntu - have you tried any other distros? I like Ubuntu, and I tend to recommend it, but there are plenty of others out there, and there might be one that suits you better. Most of them are available free, so you can try a few of them easily.

Several people have tried to tell you that learning to use a linux-based OS is going to take time and patience - there's no way you knew how to make full use of a Windows system the first time you used it; you've probably been using Windows for years. Same with any other OS - there'll be a lot of learning groundwork to be done, and things aren't necessarily going to work the way you expect right off the bat.

aidan_walsh wrote: »

And to think people wonder why Linux has a reputation of being the domain of elitist pr*cks.

It's because we're better than ordinary people.

Pawwed Rig

FruitLover wrote: »

As monkey said earlier, Linux is not Ubuntu - have you tried any other distros?
Several people have tried to tell you that learning to use a linux-based OS is going to take time and patience - there's no way you knew how to make full use of a Windows system the first time you used it; you've probably been using Windows for years.

Yeah I know. Linux Ubuntu (I have to work on my terminology):eek: I tried Madriva, Suse and Fedora but I just preferred the feel of Ubuntu and as I don't have too much time on my hands to spend on the computer I'm gonna stick with it until I learn a bit more so I don't have to start from scratch again. When I become a bit more competent I may try one of the others again.

I realise there is a learning curve associated with a new Operating system. Thats why I'm here . But I am starting at the very bottom. For example I only found out what a repository is last night!!!! I'm not complaining here I just thought I'd post an update to let you all know how I was getting on as I got some helpful and positive comments from some posters so far.