Whats your current tax rate / Engine cc and CO2

what_car

mine is €539 Yr
1998 cc
200g km O2

wonder what this will be in the new system post July 1.

NBar

Mine is €1490
3.2litre
290 co2 crap

And my other car does not have a co2 rating listed

Stephen

1798cc, 152g/km co2. Current cc-based motor tax is €484 for the year. Add 9.5% to figure out what it'll be next year

gurramok

€292 now going up to €320
1397cc
not sure, think its in 170 range

EDIT: according to link posted by cantdecide, its 168, talk about accurate guess

what_car

Stephen wrote: »

1798cc, 152g/km co2. Current cc-based motor tax is €484 for the year. Add 9.5% to figure out what it'll be next year

my question was , i wonder what it will be like after July 1st when its based on CO2 emissions, compared to the current situation, inclusive of the 9.5% increase DOH:):D

Guy:Incognito

what_car wrote: »

my question was , i wonder what it will be like after July 1st when its based on CO2 emissions, compared to the current situation, inclusive of the 9.5% increase DOH:):D

It's just VRT thats co2 based from July. Tax is staying as is (plus the % increase), is it not?

opus

what_car wrote: »

wonder what this will be in the new system post July 1.

I'm on €1033 (for 2794 cc) tax with emissions of 218 g/km. Already know it will be more expensive in July +11%

fletch

1896cc
Currently paying €511
Will be paying €560 under the new system.
Co2 emission of only 138g/km though.

mike65

1762 cc
€484
236 g Co2 per km

Mike.

peasant

1589 cc, 391 / 428 euro tax, official CO unknow due to age, would guesstimate around the 170-190 g mark

Wishbone Ash

2998cc €1109 228g

Matt Simis

4996cc 342 g/KM CO2 on paper when running petrodiesel... but Im going to run BioDiesel, so net C02 of Zero, yet there seems to be no mechanism to charge this. So much for promoting a Green agenda.

colm_mcm

explain the "net CO2 of Zero" bit

mike65

Wishbone Ash

http://usedcars.virginmedia.com/index.jsp?guide=prices&page=car_specs

Use the compare models feature to see the specs.

Mike.

cantdecide

This is an easy one http://www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp (haven't tried your Mike)

238 from a 2.8 for every km.

445279.ie

€484
1753cc
137 g/km

dbar

40 yoyo's a year for a 6.2 V8 diesel.
Not a clue what the emissions are.
As its vintage, no change!
Sorry,
Couldnt resist!

Cionád

€539 /yr currently
1979 cc
165g/km

Matt Simis

colm_mcm wrote: »

explain the "net CO2 of Zero" bit

Actaul hard readings at the exhaust BioDiesel has somewhat lower C02 output than Diesel.
However, as its made from Veg Oils which consume C02 during growth the net (as in end of lifecycle result) is that BioDiesel doesnt contribute C02 from growth, production to combustion into the atmosphere. There is some argument if you start to consider the fuels used to transport and plant seeds; assuming non-BioFuels, BioDiesels C02 lifecycle efficiency is drops tp 78% from 100, but still clearly leagues ahead of current gen hybrids and petro-fuels. To swing the other way, BioDiesel produced from Algae actually consumes more C02 than it produces during combustion.

This is not even taking into consideration that you can use waste oil to produce it, lifecycle analysis could be construed as then having a negative contribution as the oil already served its intended purpose during food preparation.

JHMEG

Average engine size on this thread is a supersize 2.9 litres:eek:

If that's a reflection of modern Ireland, and we call the Americans fat...

JHMEG

Matt Simis wrote: »

Actaul hard readings at the exhaust BioDiesel has somewhat lower C02 output than Diesel. .

While Biodiesel is good and def a lot better than fossil fuels, I don't think you can say with certainty that it is ever zero in terms of added CO2 (unless you produce it all yourself).

159g/km
2.0litre diesel
€539


new rate should be €590


If it was really about fuel efficiency and the environment both road tax and vrt would be increased or decreased together
Why not charge annual road tax on an emissions basis?

Am I being too cynical by looking at it this way:
Decrease vrt on an emissions basis thus making diesels more attractive then raise the tax on larger capacity engines (diesels LOL) without discriminating for emissions

MarkN

mike65 wrote: »

1762 cc
€484
236 g Co2 per km

Mike.

Sorry to have to use you as an example Mike

BUT!

My car is a 3.0L but puts out 228 g/km - LESS than Mike's 1.8. So WHY do I pay more tax than him??

I know this carbon link idea is going to benefit a lot of people but it's SERIOUSLY flawed in some cases IMO.

bazz26

1.6 diesel:
Co2 = 127g/km,
New tax rate = €432 p.a. (but the previous owner had it taxed until next August anyway. )

The new system applied to my old car:
1.8 petrol:
Co2 = 187g/km,
New tax rate = €530 p.a.

JHMEG

MarkN wrote: »

My car is a 3.0L but puts out 228 g/km - LESS than Mike's 1.8. So WHY do I pay more tax than him??.

Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but paying more tax than Mike was one of the decisions you took when buying a 3.0L car!

Actually Mike, I thought I was bad with 1595cc and 198g, but how do you manage 236 from a 1.8? My old 98 Accord coupe 2.0 auto did better (235!)

Wishbone Ash

mike65 wrote: »

Wishbone Ash

http://usedcars.virginmedia.com/index.jsp?guide=prices&page=car_specs

Use the compare models feature to see the specs.

Mike.

cantdecide wrote: »

This is an easy one http://www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp (haven't tried your Mike)

238 from a 2.8 for every km.

Thanks lads - it's 228g.

MarkN

JHMEG wrote: »

Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but paying more tax than Mike was one of the decisions you took when buying a 3.0L car!

That's not a very GREEN answer !

It's a modern engine.. it should be a modern tax.

Henry Ford III

1.6 petrol 159g/kg

Old tax €360 odd, new tax a bit higher +c.9%

JoeA3

MKV GTI
Current road tax = €539
2008 road tax = €590

C02 emissions = 192 g/km, putting it in the 32% VRT, up 2% from current 30% bracket... meaning a similar new car should cost about 2% more. Hardly worth getting too excited about, for anyone considering buying a new GTI or similar, considering cars go up in price by that or similar amounts year on year anyway.
What will be interesting is how how much 2.0 diesels and the likes reduce in price by (if at all!). For example, the latest GT 170 bhp diesel Golf has an emissions rating of just 158g/km, meaning it will be subject to 8% less VRT than the 2.0 GTI petrol.... I can see diesels getting very very popular.

blackbox

cantdecide wrote: »

This is an easy one http://www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp (haven't tried your Mike)

238 from a 2.8 for every km.

No data for my car here - does anyone know any other sources of this info?

unkel

tax: €1343 going on €1492 :rolleyes:
cc: 3498
CO2: 300g/km

HashSlinging

159g/km
2.0 litre diesel VAG
OLD €539
NEW €590

It sucks that I should pay the same tax as a GTI.

Matt Simis

JHMEG wrote: »

While Biodiesel is good and def a lot better than fossil fuels, I don't think you can say with certainty that it is ever zero in terms of added CO2 (unless you produce it all yourself).

I answered and addressed that argument in my post. The less forgiving research puts fresh Oil BioD at extremely minimal C02 (78% less than diesel). Common understanding in laymans terms however is that its CO2 Neutral.

And surely reusing old oil is "free C02" as its an exteme example of recycling. To get better you will need to goto exotic, expensive and therefore currently impractical tech. But before doing that, imagine if cars had any tuning for BioDiesel (similar the Flexi fuel Saab and its gains from BioEthanol), results in every metric would be improved. Or the fact that instead of buying new hybrids, resuing old diesel cars on biofuels must be massively more environmentially sound.

ninty9er

dbar wrote: »

40 yoyo's a year for a 6.2 V8 diesel.
Not a clue what the emissions are.
As its vintage, no change!
Sorry,
Couldnt resist!

Where's Junkyard??

:D

what_car

Stekelly wrote: »

It's just VRT thats co2 based from July. Tax is staying as is (plus the % increase), is it not?

i think that the road tax is changing from the 1st July, to be based on CO2
emissions instead of engine size. to be announced tomorrow??

i also noticed that some diesels are only 5 or so g CO2 away from my car

mick.fr

Current tax is 800 something
2494cc
Engine: SULEV=Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle
I have not a clue what is my CO2 emission, tried google, could not find it.

Oilrig

Tax 484
CO2 179
CC 1796

Really p*ssed off at the announced increase. If it was environmentally driven then fair enough. In the private sector this carry on is called "sharp practice"

VRT changes (applauded) affect those who can decide, i.e those with the funds and are choosing a new car, and so may influence "green" decisions. Road tax hits everyone regardless, its a blunt instrument and a blatant revenue raiser...

*feel better now*

PS you know you're getting old when your tax is greater than your comp insurance...

colm_mcm

CO2 around 230
CC 1995cc

oh dear

L-M

For the next week or two anyway
49cc, around 48euro and i wouldn't say my emissions count for much...

Not for long though...

JHMEG

MarkN wrote: »

It's a modern engine.. it should be a modern tax.

Aye but you knew when buying your 2007 car that you were getting a 1992 tax to go with it.

Mark, if tax was based on CO2 emissions, then yes, it would be unfair that you are paying more than Mike. But the simple fact is that it's based on displacement (and has been for a long time) in which case it's very fair that you pay a lot more than Mike.

blastman

1.6 so currently 391. Not sure exactly what the increase will make it, but whatever it is, it's too much.
CO2 emissions not available (car too old)

what_car

to clarify re road tax and co2..

taken from cowans budget doc. 1 july onwards, road tax is based on co2!! for new cars!
Motor Tax

Motor tax is an essential contributor to Local Government funding. Motor tax has not been changed since 2004. Since then the CPI has risen by around 15%. It is proposed to increase the existing motor tax rates by 9.5% for cars below 2.5 litres and 11% for larger cars from 1 February 2008. Details are contained in the Summary of Budget Measures.

To complement the changes in the VRT system, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government also intends to bring forward proposals that will link motor tax to CO2 emissions for new cars from 1 July 2008. These measures will allow consumers to act in an environmentally responsible way.

congo_90

**EDIT**

cantdecide wrote: »

This is an easy one http://www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp (haven't tried your Mike)

238 from a 2.8 for every km.

My car is nissan almera sxe
1497. link doesnt list my car so put down for sx (similar)
160 g/km
not bad

mick.fr

If anyone can find what my 2004 BMW 325i M56 SULEV C02 ratio is I will give him a MacDo voucher :-)

My car is said to pollute up to 50% less that a normal bimmer, so making my C02 ratio between 100-120.
But I can't find the exact BMW source that says it.

Anyone?

ondafly

can anyone find me the rating for a 95 M3 ? The c02 sites listed here, list it as a 3.2 litre which is incorrect.

ciarsd

Current tax rate: 1,901-2,000 €539/year
New tax rate from Feb 1st: €539 + 9.5%/year = €590 (€51 increase).
cO2 = 165 g/km Euro IV

Marcus.Aurelius

Lexus LS400 4.0 V8

3969 cc €1343 going up to €1490 I think

CO2 is 248g/km

E92

mick.fr wrote: »

If anyone can find what my 2004 BMW 325i M56 SULEV C02 ratio is I will give him a MacDo voucher :-)

It's a Beemer in this part of the world, Bimmers are what the Yanks call them(and then only for cars, Beemer is for BMW Motorbikes):D. The CO2 ratio is either the same or almost the same as a normal 325i E46.

mick.fr wrote: »

My car is said to pollute up to 50% less that a normal bimmer, so making my C02 ratio between 100-120.

No it doesn't, unless the M56B25 does twice the mpg an M54B25 does! CO2 is proportional to mpg, higher mpg=less Co2, lower mpg=more CO2.

It probably pollutes less Nitrous Oxide, Carbon Monoxide and hydrocarbons, but definately does NOT pollute less CO2 unless the mpg is better than the M54 lump(which IIRC was 31 mpg).


Anyway, my car is 1834 cc and pollutes 164 g/km, so I'm guessing under Minister Gormless whoops I mean Gormley's plans it will now cost €560 to tax(cause it was €511 IIRC).

RobAMerc

BMW 2.0 - between 213 and 225 g/km from what I can find out

I think I should be taken out back and shot ! :rolleyes:

omega man

E755 / 2261cc / 231 g/km

Rovi

4172cc / 350g/km

Currently €1,343
Going to be €1,491