Who do you think is least deserving of their fame

Neiler21

I would start with;

Pete Doherty
Kerry Katona
Amy Winehouse
Mr Kipling - his cakes are rubbish
Sayers The Bakers:cool:

whatawaster

Neiler21 wrote: »

I would start with;

Pete Doherty
Kerry Katona
Amy Winehouse
Mr Kipling - his cakes are rubbish
Sayers The Bakers:cool:

Pete Doherty - Singer and Chief Songwriter with one of the most acclaimed and adored British bands in decades.

Amy Winehouse - unbelievable vocalist, good songwriter

Mr Kipling - The Jungle book is great.

NAGGIE03

1. Gemma Atkinson..... a pair of jugs
2.Brenden o connor......who is he!
3.Any big bro contestants
4.Cheryl Tweedy cole....rhymes with a**hole
5.Paris Hilton......airhead

ashyle

Completely disagree with Amy Winehouse- amazing singer and songwriter. with a sad drug addiction.

However any of those footballers wives and Paris Hilton are useless

Pigletlover

ashyle wrote: »

However any of those footballers wives and Paris Hilton are useless

Agreed, except maybe for Louise Redknapp, at least she has done something other than marrying someone famous.

Jordan, for using her son and his disability to make herself rich.

Any Big Brother contestant ever especially the ones who sell their 'exclusive' or 'tell all' stories to EVERY magazine, and before anyone says anything, no I don't but those thrashy magazines but I do notice the headlines while I'm queuing in the shop.

BanzaiBk

That guy Jack who used be Jade Goody's bf, why was he famous again?

Latchy

Pete Doherty
Kerry Katona
Amy Winehouse As OP

Jorden

whatawaster

latchyco wrote: »

Pete Doherty
Kerry Katona
Amy Winehouse As OP

Jorden

I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion

Degsy

whatawaster wrote: »

I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion

Ah but they ARENT!They've both carved very tenous positions for themselves in a very fickle industry.I dont know one person who can hum a Babyshambles song and Amy Shiitehouse has had,what,two,three songs?In fact Kerry Katona had more sucess with atomic kitten than keith doherty has had so far.Enormously talented people,eh?When i hear that i think of the guy who wrote Fairy Tale of New York or the guy who plays guitar on Sweet Child O mine,both of whom have sreious addiction problems.Winehouse and Doherty are come-lately,flash-in-the-pans,no talent at all.

Pighead

To quote the legendary Trigger
"Gandhi ,he made one great film and you never heard of him again"

TelePaul

whatawaster wrote: »

I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion

What's idiotic in MY opinion is the classing of Peter and Amy as enormously talented. He's had his five minutes, give her 6 months.

Degsy

TelePaul wrote: »

What's idiotic in MY opinion is the classing of Peter and Amy as enormously talented. He's had his five minutes, give her 6 months.

If i was a judge i'd happily give her six months.Along with her halfwitted fans.

Pighead

Degsy wrote: »

Ah but they ARENT!They've both carved very tenous positions for themselves in a very fickle industry.I dont know one person who can hum a Babyshambles song and Amy Shiitehouse has had,what,two,three songs?In fact Kerry Katona had more sucess with atomic kitten than keith doherty has had so far.Enormously talented people,eh?When i hear that i think of the guy who wrote Fairy Tale of New York or the guy who plays guitar on Sweet Child O mine,both of whom have sreious addiction problems.Winehouse and Doherty are come-lately,flash-in-the-pans,no talent at all.

Why are you judging talent with popularity and sales? Van Gogh was a nobody his whole life and died relatively unknown and broke. Fame came long after. Was he a "come lately flash in the pan with no talent at all"?

gustavo

Pete Doherty had a level of fame for his music for the last 5 years , The non music stuff is sad and irrelevant

Ruskie4Rent

Degsy wrote: »

Ah but they ARENT!They've both carved very tenous positions for themselves in a very fickle industry.I dont know one person who can hum a Babyshambles song and Amy Shiitehouse has had,what,two,three songs?In fact Kerry Katona had more sucess with atomic kitten than keith doherty has had so far.Enormously talented people,eh?When i hear that i think of the guy who wrote Fairy Tale of New York or the guy who plays guitar on Sweet Child O mine,both of whom have sreious addiction problems.Winehouse and Doherty are come-lately,flash-in-the-pans,no talent at all.

Atomic Kitten more successful than Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse? Can't compare a couple of no.1 and pre-teen fans with well selling albums, critical acclaim and hoards of loyal fans.
Not to mention the influence The Libertines have had on today's british music scene (not such a great thing).
Just cos you and your friends don't know their music doesn't validate your opinion.

Degsy

Pighead wrote: »

Why are you judging talent with popularity and sales? Van Gogh was a nobody his whole life and died relatively unknown and broke. Fame came long after. Was he a "come lately flash in the pan with no talent at all"?

I reckon van Gough was crap,nobody liked his paintings and thats why they didnt sell.Only some pretentious tossers came along years after the event and said "oh my god,thats so cool,jeremy,i gotta have that".Perhaps in a hundred,or more likely a thousand years somebody will look at your postings here as something more than the drivel that they are,and you,too may be famous.

Degsy

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

Atomic Kitten more successful than Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse? Can't compare a couple of no.1 and pre-teen fans with well selling albums, critical acclaim and hoards of loyal fans.
Not to mention the influence The Libertines have had on today's british music scene (not such a great thing).
Just cos you and your friends don't know their music doesn't validate your opinion.

Pre-teens buy records.Number ones equate with records sold,critical acclaim is no use if you live in a bedsit and nobody is buying your music."Hoards of loyal fans" could also be construed as a bunch of misguided halfwits who dont know shiit from shinola about music...look at westlife..and even they've done infinatly better than Doherty and Winehouse.

TelePaul

Pighead wrote: »

Why are you judging talent with popularity and sales?

How else can you judge talent? I mean I hate ABBA but no doubt they were talented enough to sell alot of records.

TelePaul

Degsy wrote: »

Pre-teens buy records.Number ones equate with records sold,critical acclaim is no use if you live in a bedsit and nobody is buying your music."Hoards of loyal fans" could also be construed as a bunch of misguided halfwits who dont know shiit from shinola about music...look at westlife..and even they've done infinatly better than Doherty and Winehouse.

+1 You and I are on the same page!

TelePaul

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

Atomic Kitten more successful than Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse? Can't compare a couple of no.1 and pre-teen fans with well selling albums, critical acclaim and hoards of loyal fans.
Not to mention the influence The Libertines have had on today's british music scene (not such a great thing).
Just cos you and your friends don't know their music doesn't validate your opinion.

If Babyshambles and The Libertines are selling as many albums as the beatles are today in forty years, feel free to say 'I told you so'.

phasers

Amy Winehouse is horribly overrated, but she does deserve some fame
Pete Doherty is brilliant

Girls aloud
Big Brother contestants
any "model" from Ireland
(Ireland doesn't have models, it has promotions girls)
any actor from the disney channel

Ruskie4Rent

TelePaul wrote: »

If Babyshambles and The Libertines are selling as many albums as the beatles are today in forty years, feel free to say 'I told you so'.

So you need to sell as many as the Beatles to be considered successfull? My point was not wether or not they deserved their success but to counter the point that degsy made about them being unsuccessful because he or the people he knows can't name their songs.
Its like using his ignorance as a reason for him being right.

MayMay

Any of Ireland's "models"....the only one of them that I ever rated was Yvonne Connolly (Ronan Keating's wife, lucky git!!), she was classy in her prime modelling days and didn't get her arse out. And she is stunning....can't really say any of the promotion girls today are even half as naturally pretty as she is.

Any of those Big Brother contestants and any has been celebs that go on those sort of shows.

Pighead

TelePaul wrote: »

How else can you judge talent? I mean I hate ABBA but no doubt they were talented enough to sell alot of records.

Ah right then fair enough. Popularity +sales=talent. Cheeky girls, X-Factor winners and East 17 we salute you.

TelePaul

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

So you need to sell as many as the Beatles to be considered successfull? My point was not wether or not they deserved their success but to counter the point that degsy made about them being unsuccessful because he or the people he knows can't name their songs.
Its like using his ignorance as a reason for him being right.

No you don't need to sell as many as the beatles to be considered successful, but can we please use some sort of benchmark? Otherwise this thread will de-generate into the much-loved though unproductive Father Ted argument between Dougal and Fr. Damo ("who do ya prefer, Blue or Oasis?").

The point (an irrefutable one) is that one person liking or disliking a particular thing does not justify it's appeal or unappeal. I used the Beatles as an example because you cannot deny that they're deservedly successful - if you did so, you'd probably be argueing with alot more people than just me or Degsy.

Personally, when someone mentions Pete Doherty's name, I'll think of 'Class A drug-addict' before I think of "moderately successful London-based musician with cult following". I think the number of times he's appeared in the media (relevant, considering this is a celeb and showbiz forum) for drugs charges far outweighs the number of times he has appeared in connection with his music. So perhaps the real argument is that he's deserving of infamy or notoriety, though not necessarily fame, at least in the conventional sense.

TelePaul

Pighead wrote: »

Ah right then fair enough. Popularity +sales=talent. Cheeky girls, X-Factor winners and East 17 we salute you.

Ah right then fair enough. Talent = what appeals to you personally? Please, are people still using such a ridiculous argument? This whole thread is in danger of turning into a pissing match based on personal taste. I neither love nor hate Pete Doherty, nor Amy Winehouse. I just happen to think they're attributed more credit and attention than they deserve.

Pighead

TelePaul wrote: »

Ah right then fair enough. Talent = what appeals to you personally? Please, are people still using such a ridiculous argument? This whole thread is in danger of turning into a pissing match based on personal taste. I neither love nor hate Pete Doherty, nor Amy Winehouse. I just happen to think they're attributed more credit and attention than they deserve.

No problem at all with that viewpoint. Anybody who's ever heard Winehouse sing and perform can surely see she possesses talent.(You maightn't like the skanky bitch but she's definitely talented)

TelePaul

Pighead wrote: »

No problem at all with that viewpoint. Its cnuts like Degsy coming in with half arsed arguments saying that Winehouse and Doherty don't possess any talent whatsoever that gets Pigheads goat. Anybody who's ever heard Winehouse sing and perform can surely see she possesses talent.(You maightn't like the skanky bitch but she's definitely talented)

That's gettin a bit outta hand man, it's a discussion about famous people. I thought Degsy's posts were funny, I don't agree with his Van Gough point of view but I thought it was hilarious.

Pighead

TelePaul wrote: »

That's gettin a bit outta hand man, it's a discussion about famous people. I thought Degsy's posts were funny, I don't agree with his Van Gough point of view but I thought it was hilarious.

But he is a cnut? Why is it out of hand? Degsy will tell you himself that he's a cnut. Pigheads not trying to rattle anybodies cage here, just partaking in a bit of celebrity chit chat.

Ruskie4Rent

TelePaul wrote: »

No you don't need to sell as many as the beatles to be considered successful, but can we please use some sort of benchmark? Otherwise this thread will de-generate into the much-loved though unproductive Father Ted argument between Dougal and Fr. Damo ("who do ya prefer, Blue or Oasis?").

The point (an irrefutable one) is that one person liking or disliking a particular thing does not justify it's appeal or unappeal. I used the Beatles as an example because you cannot deny that they're deservedly successful - if you did so, you'd probably be argueing with alot more people than just me or Degsy.

Personally, when someone mentions Pete Doherty's name, I'll think of 'Class A drug-addict' before I think of "moderately successful London-based musician with cult following". I think the number of times he's appeared in the media (relevant, considering this is a celeb and showbiz forum) for drugs charges far outweighs the number of times he has appeared in connection with his music. So perhaps the real argument is that he's deserving of infamy or notoriety, though not necessarily fame, at least in the conventional sense.

Thats fair enough and I agree with you to some extent, however you can't disregard the fame they has courted for their music as unconventional. Since when has having your mug in the tabliods been considered as the 'conventional' way of gaining notoriety?
My main beef was with Degsy, only because his reason for calling them 'talentless' and Amy '****ehouse' because he didn't know anybody familiar with their music. And then imply that their fans might be deluded in some way, with a paticular fondness of the word 'halfwit'. I suppose it must take one to reckognise one.

ang

All the Irish Models - especially Glenda Gilson, weird eyebrows alert and she aint that pretty at all.

Paris Hilton - famous simply because she is related to the founder of the Hilton Hotels Chain

All the ex big brother contestants

Jodie Marsh

Abby Titmuss

Victoria Beckham - can't sing (how the hell did she get chosen to be in a girl group, pathetic). The most famous out of the spice girls because of who she is married to.

themadchef

Calum Best........ does nothing but yet he's famous..ish

Missy Moo

Kerry Katona
Jodie Marsh
Paris Hilton

Ruskie4Rent

Katy French. Without soundin cruel: I could imagine The Pope or Ray Darcy or someone gettin so much attention from the papers if they were in hospital, but her?

whatawaster

Pighead wrote: »

But he is a cnut

agreed. and an idiom.

TelePaul

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

Since when has having your mug in the tabliods been considered as the 'conventional' way of gaining notoriety?

Uhmm since the advent of the mass-media? Ever heard the phrase "there's no such thing as bad publicity?"

TelePaul

Pighead wrote: »

But he is a cnut? Why is it out of hand? Degsy will tell you himself that he's a cnut. Pigheads not trying to rattle anybodies cage here, just partaking in a bit of celebrity chit chat.

Yeah but why's he referring himself into the third person?

Snowdrop

Whatever you might think of Kerry Katona,don't forget she donated a heap of money to Irish charities after winning I'm a celebrity a few years ago. In fact my daughter was kept alive for five months on a ventilator funded by Kerry at Temple Street hospital so I will always be grateful to her.

On the down side I hate Paris Hilton with a vengeance or maybe it's down pure jealousy. Tara Palmer Tompkinson is high on my list too.

Stargal

Pighead wrote: »

But he is a cnut? Why is it out of hand? Degsy will tell you himself that he's a cnut. Pigheads not trying to rattle anybodies cage here, just partaking in a bit of celebrity chit chat.

Pighead wrote: »

No problem at all with that viewpoint. Its cnuts like Degsy coming in with half arsed arguments saying that Winehouse and Doherty don't possess any talent whatsoever that gets Pigheads goat. Anybody who's ever heard Winehouse sing and perform can surely see she possesses talent.(You maightn't like the skanky bitch but she's definitely talented)

Careful now.

Degsy

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

Thats fair enough and I agree with you to some extent, however you can't disregard the fame they has courted for their music as unconventional. Since when has having your mug in the tabliods been considered as the 'conventional' way of gaining notoriety?
My main beef was with Degsy, only because his reason for calling them 'talentless' and Amy '****ehouse' because he didn't know anybody familiar with their music. And then imply that their fans might be deluded in some way, with a paticular fondness of the word 'halfwit'. I suppose it must take one to reckognise one.

I suppose deluded was the wrong word to use,stupid would be a better description.I mean,who in thier right mind would pay what,50 quid,to see a skagged-out,toothless skank like amy Shiitehouse slur and mumble her way through a crappy song she cant even remember the words to?Imagine the stupididty of paying to hear songs about drug use,sung by a drug user who either doesnt bother to turn up on time or is so whacked out of it she's incapable of singing the song.She doesnt have any respect for her "fans",she's taking thier hard-earned money and she's laughing all the way to the drug dealer.I wonder would these idiots give a junkie in grafton st 50 quid to murder a song?I doubt it..

constitutionus

i was gonna say katy french but its kinda moot now. though the ****e thats going on now in the media is ridiculous

brenda gilsons another one. she's not even attractive

brenden o connor. i mean WTF is he for anyway. god damn rent a hack.

anyone on "the panel"

any Irish "celebrity" cook.

and some twat called gavin lamb something.


just out of interest who the hell decides which of these ****ers are going to be inflicted upon us? none of em seem actually famous for anything. gilson i can excuse as its actually her job but who the ****ing hell are these "socialites"?

methinks daddy owns a newspaper or two

TelePaul

constitutionus wrote: »

just out of interest who the hell decides which of these ****ers are going to be inflicted upon us?

Sunday independent.

Degsy

ANY bastard who has gotten "famous" as a result of a reality show..especially big brother!

Nightwish

Degsy wrote: »

ANY bastard who has gotten "famous" as a result of a reality show..especially big brother!

Oh yeah - people like Chantelle, Jade Goody etc

I would also like to add Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Amy Winehouse, and all of the irish promotional models.

MizzLolly

Paris Hilton!

Just go away!

flynnser19

whatawaster wrote: »

I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion

i saw pete doherty live and it was the most pitiful excuse for a singer ive ever seen and he's a complete waste of a life!!!

i also cant stand kerry katona although she was in a semi successful band so i dunno???she doesnt deserve to have children anyway!!!

Dinkie

Jade Goody, Sophie Anderton, Victoria Beckam, Jonathon Ross

oh and Sharon Osbourne.

Quality

Abi Titmuss

Degsy

Rebecca Loos
Though she gets owned here..http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=wzSYDWsuz9g

Pigman II

Quality wrote: »

Abi Titmuss

Nonsense. She's good looking!

This thread should reserved for people who are hideous to look and painful to listen to. Jade Goodyear and Kerry Katona spring to mind.

Degsy

Pigman II wrote: »

Nonsense. She's good looking!

This thread should reserved for people who are hideous to look and painful to listen to. Jade Goodyear and Kerry Katona spring to mind.

Abi "Smalleyes McCellulite" Titmus is goodlooking?YOu need to get out more,friend.