[US] 2X11 - "Powerless" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

standbyme

Another sorry lookin finale, for what it was worth, it only deserved to be a normal ep.
It started off at a slow pace to get a few things to get resolved, but nothing great & still kept at that pace until the end-unless im bein kind.

The 2 heroes that 'fell' werent the ones i was expecting, as i was slightly cheered up when i saw Maya 'bite' the bullet, so to speak :rolleyes: & then...!:mad:

When West visited Claire as he said to 'stop' her from exposing their kind, i foolishly thought there was a dark tone in his voice & was goin to redeem himself by some devious action, but no he turned out to be the pussy he really is :mad:

So Nathan made Peter see his ways & avoid meltdown at the last min & Hiro took Adam to somewhere he wouldnt have dreamt of, but them scenes were pretty slow as well

I came across this on Youtube last night as it was a longer preview of the ep & more exciting instead of it being stretched out here!

But Mama Petrelli had to have the last word even if it meant the ultimate sacrifice as the outcome will be let known later as she exclaimed "You realise that you've now opened up Pandora's Box" to lead up to
Vol.3 Villains
Hopefully they'll have more time to work on the stories pending on the strike.

All in all the episode could/might have been called Pointless instead of Powerless you could put that in a poll, as i know what i'd vote it as.

Faith

[US] 2X11 - "Powerless" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]
Warning this thread contains spoilers!!!

Episode Title: Powerless
Airdate: 3 December 2007


Synopsis from TV.com:

In Texas, Peter faces off against former friends due to Adam’s misleading story about the Shanti virus. Micah enlists the help of his mother to rescue Monica. Maya is shocked when she learns the truth about her new friend Sylar. Elle tries extremely hard to please her father, Bob.

Faith

Oh my god, I LOVED this episode! I thought it was the best one I've seen in a long time, since Five Years Later probably.

I can't count how many times I said "Oh my god!" or clamped my hand over my mouth while watching it. It totally didn't go how I expected! This episode has redeemed the whole season in my eyes!

I'm actually shaking a little bit...

Spoilers from the episode below, don't read if you haven't watched it:

Every single scene with Sylar was GREAT! "I'm back..." It actually couldn't have been better. I was SO happy when he shot Maya, pity they brought her back.

Nathan - WTF?! I never saw that coming! But I love him!

Adam - pretty ingenious way of stopping him from ever hurting anyone again!

Nikki - \o/ looks like she's gone for good!

Seriously, amazing episode IMO.

abelard

It was.....good, if not great. Again it felt a bit anticlimactic, but I'm willing to forgive the show that much as it was never intended as a season finale.

I liked how the arc with Adam and Peter ended, very clever way Hiro got rid of him. The only thing that again was lacking was the big "power fight" that everyone craves, though at least we got a little tiff between Peter and Hiro.

Sylar was great again, though Mohinder had ample chance to kill him (eg inject him with the wrong vaccione, or maybe inject some air?) At least now we have a better villain for the next chapter. I'm kind of glad they resurrected Maya. Although her story wasn't great this season, she could potentially be a decent character and I'm willing to give her a chance again if she appears next season.

I'm fairly glad Nikki's gone, the character had really come to the end of her story and had become pointless. I don't think they'll drop Monica just yet though, so maybe her and Micah (though I hope not) will reappear. Micah could become a badass crime stopper. Or Not.

The end to Claire's story was a bit weak, but I'm hoping she might have a decent arc next chapter if she begins some form of vendetta campaign against the company.

I guess the two big obvious questions are;
-Who shot Nathan (possibly Bennet?)
-Who was Angela Petrelli on the phone to?

Also Starring LeVar Burton

That was kick ass.
I knew they were gonna kill off two main characters, but I honestly thought Niki and Nathan were far too obvious and was hoping it would be Monica and Maya.
I hope Adam gets out of that coffin for volume 3. Seeing as it's called "Villains", there's a good chance he will.
Hope the writers strike ends, so we can get volume 3 in March or something.

funky penguin

Hiro redeemed himself in this episode with that chilling way of taking care of Adam. *shudder*

Liking the name of the next volume as well. Hopefully we'll get some meaty encounters with some prime fillet villains.

Certainly glad I stuck it out till the end of the series now.

Gingervitis

Just a quick time travel conundrum: if the plague future never happened, does that mean Caitlin is gone forever? Mwuh ha ha...seems the negative feedback on the Oirishness must've trickled through!

Why did Peter have to break open the safe, when he coulda just walked through it with Adam? Ah well, just another plot hole, *sigh*

best OMG moment was when Hiro and Adam vanished and the virus dropped... I nearly sh*t meself!

At least we got a dependable villain back in Sylar.
Does anyone think that Noah shot Nathan, kinda looked like him from a distance, and given what he was saying to Claire about keeping shush about the Company it seems that's the kinda thing he'd do.

Elle, drop the daddy issues, very annoying and clichéd...haven't seen Veronica Mars, but I don't really rate Kristin Bell as much of an actress.

Solid ending, given the cut off, though the clip show at the end felt a bit cheesy and had a whiff of non WGA quality about it, just some braindead executives' attempts at dialogue.

Bubs101

I thought it was an okay episode with a fantastic ending and I was ecstatic to see Niki die and Elle survive.

In regards to Adam, here's my prediction for season 3. Sylar uses his new power of being able to find anyone anywhere (which he would have gotten from Molly) to find Adam and the 2 team up for a while until Sylar screws him and lives forever.

As for who Anglea was on the phone to, I presume it was Noah. He said he'd have to go back and help the company after all

Irishpimpdude

Omg i didn't know it was the season finale :eek: and does anyone think Nathan is really dead this time around? your all forgetting that magical blood that cures death jebus....

Faith

I would assume that Peter would try him with an infusion of his blood. As much as I don't want him dead, it'd be a bit much if Nathan survived TWICE.

I really hope Sylar goes on a killing rampage and gets loads of powers early on in Volume 3.

abelard

Faith wrote: »

I would assume that Peter would try him with an infusion of his blood.

Peter does seem to "forget" alot of the powers he has though. Take the vault door, as someone already said he could have just walked through it. or surely he could have "Hiro-teleported" inside. Or even used the metal melting power that Sylar had (though he might not even be aware of that one yet).

I do think you're right though, they probably won't bring Nathan back again.

Irishpimpdude

No No Flyinnnnn mannnnn has to come back, just so hiro can say Flying Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Holsten

abelard wrote: »

Peter does seem to "forget" alot of the powers he has though. Take the vault door, as someone already said he could have just walked through it. or surely he could have "Hiro-teleported" inside. Or even used the metal melting power that Sylar had (though he might not even be aware of that one yet).

I do think you're right though, they probably won't bring Nathan back again.

If he had phased through or teleported in, and the virus happened to have gotten out, then it would have been contained within the vault - Not what Adam wanted.

Alright episode, glad to see Sylar back to normal, now he just has to go around the corner, kill Maya and Molly and he's back on track!

Totally wasn't expecting Nathan to one of the ones that dies... wow.

Hahah Nikki... Good riddence! Pitty the rest of her family didn't go up in flames.

Roll on Villans!

Faith

abelard wrote: »

Peter does seem to "forget" alot of the powers he has though. Take the vault door, as someone already said he could have just walked through it. or surely he could have "Hiro-teleported" inside. Or even used the metal melting power that Sylar had (though he might not even be aware of that one yet).

I do think you're right though, they probably won't bring Nathan back again.

I was thinking about that, and I figure the door must have been made from pretty strong material, like steel or titanium. It's possible that Peter simply couldn't phase through it.

And yeah, Hiro saying "Flying man! \o/" was one of the best moments of the episode - nay, season!

gubbie

Faith wrote: »

I would assume that Peter would try him with an infusion of his blood. As much as I don't want him dead, it'd be a bit much if Nathan survived TWICE.

I really hope Sylar goes on a killing rampage and gets loads of powers early on in Volume 3.

But would that work? Peters blood isn't "healing" blood like Claires, its "absorbs other powers" blood

And why would Sylar have Mollys powers, he didn't kill her...

Faith

gubbie wrote: »

But would that work? Peters blood isn't "healing" blood like Claires, its "absorbs other powers" blood

That's true, but I assume Peter's DNA resequences itself when he absorbs a power, so they actually "belong" to him, rather than just being borrowed. I assume his blood has healing properties, but I may well be wrong.

And why would Sylar have Mollys powers, he didn't kill her...

Hopefully he will soon though...

elekid

I really enjoyed this one, maybe because the rest of the season had set my expectations so low. It was pretty exciting despite the lack of a big fight scene though I hope this isn't the last we see of Adam, it's too soon to be rid of him. Hiro's plan to put him out of the picture was twisted genius and kind of amusing for anyone who watched Alias

Gingervitis wrote:

Elle, drop the daddy issues, very annoying and clichéd...haven't seen Veronica Mars, but I don't really rate Kristin Bell as much of an actress.

I like Elle myself, but Kristen Bell didn't really have much of a chance to shine here. She was a lot better in Veronica Mars (in the season 1 finale for example!)

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Faith wrote: »

Hopefully he will soon though...

Why hopefully? What's wrong with Molly? She's a good character, unlike Micah. I like Noah Gray-Cabey as an actor - he was good in My Wife and Kids - but in Heroes you just want him to die. Unfortunately I reckon they'll keep him around so he can tell the traffic lights to change, so when actual decent characters are driving, there'll be none of those awkward stuck at the lights scenes.

hussey

On the news report they said "nathan had been shot" not killed ...
also anyone else get the feeling Niki might be dead and Jessica lives (with the virus) ...

I think the guy who shot nathan is a new bad guy, and expect maybe a super villian behind the company to emerge


also why didn't hiro stop time with adam and take the virus rather leaving it to drop for peter to save ...

Mr E

Because it wouldn't have been nearly as dramatic!

Great episode, and I loved the intro to Volume 3.

Roll on next September (gaah..... feckin strike)

Basq

Yeah, it was good. But not great!

Was Masi Oka's acting this poor in season 1? When saying "He killed my father.. and must pay!" in the opening and every time he went towards Peter with the sword, he let out a girlish scream. I just cringed!

The episode still had a lot of padding.. Monica getting rescued by Nikki and Micah. It was a finale for fecks sake.. and the whole Monica getting kidnapped was possibly the stupidest storyline to ever grace the show.

Oh.. no sorry.. that was "the wonder twins". I thought we were away in both of them but Mohinder had to save her.

Two best things about the episode:

i) the opening with Mohinder, Maya and Sylar in the kitchen.
ii) the reunions

In fact looking back, I think i just liked this episode because of the meetings / reunions (Nathan & Peter, Peter & Hiro, Parkman & Hiro). These was some of the best bits in the first season was their interactions.

But in saying that, Parkman and Nathan arriving with Nathan having flown with Parkman on his back was hilarious - "let's never speak of this again!"

Now we just need to think if we actually got a fleshed out full season.. would we have been happier?

I'm looking forward to season 3.. but I really hope they learn from their many mistakes this season.

PS - Dear Tim Kring & NBC, Bring back Kristin next season too. Regards, Me!

Dord

I liked that one, can't wait for it to come back again.

irishash

liked the ep - love to know which elements had been "retooled" as per tim kring, to make the ep serve as a finale (possibly the shooting at the end)

a few things people have been saying here have been jumping the gun a bit. we are talking US sci-fi here and nobody really dies in that for cripes sake. remember the number 1 rule in film/tv - "if you dont see absolutle proof someone is dead (a body, the actual death) then you cant be sure they are dead."

so i look forward to seeing ali larter next volume.

closing off with this - watch the shooting scene again with the guy walking away - he is wearing glasses, possibly rimed...........

steveland?

I was very underwhelmed by this episode. I don't know why it is, it was alright I suppose but too much dull crap going on (Mikah, Nikki etc...).

The way Hiro got rid of Adam was great though.

I was expecting some sort of an actual climax though, but I guess I should've expected it to just fizzle out like it did last year...

I presume a lot of the filler stuff and no real climax has a lot to do with the series being cut short though. Presumably they'd want to have wrapped that Monica storyline up by now and be going on to the finale storyline instead of actually having it in the finale

Rollo Tamasi

Yeah, I felt a bit underwhelmed about this episode too. It seemed to be half written in the heroes season 2 style and half written with a 'silly humor' script (the stupid picture of Bob with the fish, Parkman and Nathan flying in, Hiro acting like a girl, the very strange kitchen scene, Maya wearing a 'World's best Dad' apron in the kitchen.....) None of that kind of crap was featured so heavily in previous episodes.

But in saying that, the episode did redeem itself with the more 'proper' content. Thank christ Sylar is back!

Also, Does Elle have time travel skills or she just a very-very frequent flyer? She spotted Sylar on camera from her Da's office in Odessa and then arrived through the door at Prakash's lab five minutes later...., hello annoying continuity errors!

Mossy Monk

No more Nikki? Please let her be dead.
I am sad to see Nathan dead.

Hurray for Sylar.

steveland?

Rollo Tamasi wrote: »

Yeah, I felt a bit underwhelmed about this episode too. It seemed to be half written in the heroes season 2 style and half written with a 'silly humor' script (the stupid picture of Bob with the fish, Parkman and Nathan flying in, Hiro acting like a girl, the very strange kitchen scene, Maya wearing a 'World's best Dad' apron in the kitchen.....) None of that kind of crap was featured so heavily in previous episodes.

But in saying that, the episode did redeem itself with the more 'proper' content. Thank christ Sylar is back!

Also, Does Elle have time travel skills or she just a very-very frequent flyer? She spotted Sylar on camera from her Da's office in Odessa and then arrived through the door at Prakash's lab five minutes later...., hello annoying continuity errors!

Don't think they're in Odessa. They're in New York as far as I know, possibly the Kirby Plaza place. Suresh was working for the company and fluting between his apartment and the company at the start of the season and Mendez's loft is fairly close aswell so they're probably close enough to each other

Agamemnon

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I am sad to see Nathan dead.

I won't believe he's dead until I see his mouldering corpse. Hopefully he'll be back - if they had to kill off a flying character, they should have bumped off that airborne asshole West. I reckon Noah shot Nathan as well.

Don't know about Nikki being dead either - maybe Jessica somehow made an appearance to take over and get her out.

Great to have the proper Sylar back. That scene where Mohinder realises Sylar is powerless and lunges at him with the knife was great. It was funny how Sylar used his telekinesis to grab a can of spinach - maybe Popeye was the inspiration for his character all along.

Instead of one big battle, we got lots of little ones: Hiro vs Peter, Parkman vs Peter, Hiro vs Adam and Elle vs Sylar. Entertaining stuff with lots of powers being used - that's what Heroes should be all about.

A good ending, continuing the recent upward trend. It's a pity the writers' strike has curtailed the season. Now what the hell am I supposed to do to get my Hayden fix?

Sad Professor

Pretty decent episode I thought but my expectations were pretty low.

This show has already pulled several fake-deaths so I doubt Nikki and Nathan are really dead. We haven't seen the last of Adam either. In fact the coffin bit seems like it was probably tacked on. I'd imagine the episode originally ended on a bigger cliff-hanger which they had to tone down. Much of Nathan's speech looks like it was created in the editing room.

Still they did a pretty good job making everything appear resolved for the time being.

standbyme

It was ok, not great as your expectations are a lot higher since it was pickin up from the 9th ep (except for the 10th ep-filler)

CaptainNegative wrote: »

Hope the writers strike ends, so we can get volume 3 in March or something.

Is it possible you could get it in March pending the strike?

basquille wrote: »

Yeah, it was good. But not great!

Was Masi Oka's acting this poor in season 1? When saying "He killed my father.. and must pay!" in the opening and every time he went towards Peter with the sword, he let out a girlish scream. I just cringed!

The episode still had a lot of padding.. Monica getting rescued by Nikki and Micah. It was a finale for fecks sake.. and the whole Monica getting kidnapped was possibly the stupidest storyline to ever grace the show.

Oh.. no sorry.. that was "the wonder twins". I thought we were away in both of them but Mohinder had to save her.

Two best things about the episode:

i) the opening with Mohinder, Maya and Sylar in the kitchen.
ii) the reunions

In fact looking back, I think i just liked this episode because of the meetings / reunions (Nathan & Peter, Peter & Hiro, Parkman & Hiro). These was some of the best bits in the first season was their interactions.

But in saying that, Parkman and Nathan arriving with Nathan having flown with Parkman on his back was hilarious - "let's never speak of this again!"

Now we just need to think if we actually got a fleshed out full season.. would we have been happier?

I'm looking forward to season 3.. but I really hope they learn from their many mistakes this season.

PS - Dear Tim Kring & NBC, Bring back Kristin next season too. Regards, Me!

Same here, and i hope they do bring Kristin back as she shone in a few eps, but not all as she didnt get the time due to the strike, but i remember one of her quotes to Mohinder
"hey fightclub, look at this," pointing to a glass while extending the finger like a gun to show a bolt of energy toward a glass & breakin it.

Also did anyone notice when Elle was getting her details out of the box, the front of it said Vol.2 of 3 a little reminder?

agamemnon wrote: »

Great to have the proper Sylar back. That scene where Mohinder realises Sylar is powerless and lunges at him with the knife was great. It was funny how Sylar used his telekinesis to grab a can of spinach - maybe Popeye was the inspiration for his character all along.

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Yeah im Sylar the Serial Killer whohoo
I noticed as a result of him injecting himself with the cure/antidote mixed with Claire's blood, he's able to regenerate as he healed up well at the end of ep!
I suppose that's Claire safe for a while?

I came across this Sylar site, from another site, if anyone is needing a sylar fix

BTW: The First Season finishes on Wed (tonight) with a double ep on BBC2 if anyone wants to see it?

Goodshape

Good episode, not great.

Main downpoint is the number of plot-holes that are opened by having a character like Peter around ::

- Wasn't it Peter's blood that healed Nathans scars after season one? So no reason to believe he won't do the same again.

- Why didn't Peter teleport to the future once he got his powers back and save his girlfriend?

- Once he was shown the door, why did he need Adam to go inside at all? He has numerous ways of getting in there himself and destroying the virus.

- Why didn't he just read Adam's mind and get the full inside story?

- Why the **** was he such a gullible fool in the first place? Don't think that was ever explained.

Basically, I just don't see how anything bad can ever happen to him or anyone around him without his say-so. If it does : instant plot-hole.

Aside from that it was a mostly solid episode. Nathan getting shot at the end was a great scene... but again, if they kill him off - that's just totally out of line with what we know is possible. And if they don't - meh, why bother with shooting him in the first place. So bit of a useless cliffhanger.

Sylar getting his powers back -- great, but it was right at the end. There was no good reason why he lost them in the first place.

Roll on Season Three. It can only get better. I hope.

AlmightyCushion

Goodshape wrote: »

Good episode, not great.

Main downpoint is the number of plot-holes that are opened by having a character like Peter around ::

- Wasn't it Peter's blood that healed Nathans scars after season one? So no reason to believe he won't do the same again.

No it was Adams blood that healed Nathan's scars. Everything else though you're spot on about. And I doubt you spent much time analysing every episode looking for plot holes. Imagine the amount of plot holes we'd find if we actually looked for them.

Goodshape

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

No it was Adams blood that healed Nathan's scars. Everything else though you're spot on about.

Oh yeah. BUT - Peter's been in contact with Adam (and Clare), so doesn't it follow that he now has that power too? And if not (I can see how his blood maybe wouldn't contain the same properties), then there's always Clare herself who has no doubt seen the news report and won't mind sparing a few drops to save her father.

And I doubt you spent much time analysing every episode looking for plot holes. Imagine the amount of plot holes we'd find if we actually looked for them.

You're right, I didn't. And I probably wouldn't want to either . I'll forgive them some plotholes, but others are just far too obvious.

BigWilly

Goodshape wrote: »

Oh yeah. BUT - Peter's been in contact with Adam (and Clare), so doesn't it follow that he now has that power too? And if not (I can see how his blood maybe wouldn't contain the same properties), then there's always Clare herself who has no doubt seen the news report and won't mind sparing a few drops to save her father.


You're right, I didn't. And I probably wouldn't want to either . I'll forgive them some plotholes, but others are just far too obvious.

You're also forgetting that peter can go back in time and save nathan too.

AlmightyCushion

Goodshape wrote: »

Oh yeah. BUT - Peter's been in contact with Adam (and Clare), so doesn't it follow that he now has that power too? And if not (I can see how his blood maybe wouldn't contain the same properties), then there's always Clare herself who has no doubt seen the news report and won't mind sparing a few drops to save her father.

Now that I think about it you're right about Peter's blood, it should be able to heal. I didn't think about Claire saving pops. Another thing, seeing as Claire can regenerate at an extremely fast rate, that should mean that her blood should replenish itself just as quick. They could probably stick a tap to her wrist pumping out the stuff and she'd be fine.

Goodshape wrote: »

You're right, I didn't. And I probably wouldn't want to either . I'll forgive them some plotholes, but others are just far too obvious.

Some things just seem like they haven't been thought out properly at all.

Some of the story arcs just seemed so pointless. The one with Micah and the stolen backpack (sounds like a fúcking Nancy Drew story). The only outcome of that was that Nikki gets killed (so we think any ways). They could have easily had her killed off when Adam was coming after Bob. The only difference is that killing her the way they did may make Micah feel responsible for the death and could lead to something interesting.

They still could have killed her when Adam was coming to kill bob and factored this in though.

monkeyfudge

hmmmm... the poll needs more popeye!

CodeMonkey

Goodshape wrote: »

- Why didn't Peter teleport to the future once he got his powers back and save his girlfriend?

Well errr, the virus wasn't released, that future doesn't exist no more, and yes time travel stories are always full of plot holes and makes no sense.

- Once he was shown the door, why did he need Adam to go inside at all? He has numerous ways of getting in there himself and destroying the virus.

- Why didn't he just read Adam's mind and get the full inside story?

- Why the **** was he such a gullible fool in the first place? Don't think that was ever explained.

Cause they need to make Peter a dumbass to offset his powers.

Aside from that it was a mostly solid episode. Nathan getting shot at the end was a great scene...

Meh, it's a bit lame. They were in the Odessa Police Department with a room full of photographers and cameras and the shooter got away without being seen or caught. Peter again stands there like an idiot. And what's the point of killing Nathan? Peter can finish the expose and demonstrate his powers. But he won't...cause he's a dumbass.

Sylar getting his powers back -- great, but it was right at the end. There was no good reason why he lost them in the first place.

No reason he was in south america in the first place with just 1 person looking after him. Why didn't the company have people there, survellience there or that isotobe tracing stuff (they were injecting into everyone in season in) in Sylar.

With the time travel powers, Sylar and any bad guys can be neutralised anytime really. Nathan saved etc. Time travel powers in all these sci-fi shows creates more problems really, if people bother to think about it.

The Freeman

won't be watching heroes again as this season in total was shiat and not half as good as the first series, and if you'll excuse me i have the wire, pushing daisies and dexter to watch from the first series....

Cabaal

The Freeman wrote: »

won't be watching heroes again as this season in total was shiat and not half as good as the first series

pfft don't lie to us, you make sylar cry when you do

Also Starring LeVar Burton

standbyme wrote: »

Is it possible you could get it in March pending the strike?

If the strike ended next week and the scripts written between now and the new year, with shooting starting, the first week in January, it could definitely be back by March.
Whether they'll decide to do that or not is another question.

Goodshape

CodeMonkey wrote: »

Well errr, the virus wasn't released, that future doesn't exist no more

I meant he could have gone to the future and saved her before he stopped the virus from getting released.

But instead, he stopped the virus getting released first - so god only knows whats happened to the girlfriend. Good thinking there, Peter.

Basq

CaptainNegative wrote: »

If the strike ended next week and the scripts written between now and the new year, with shooting starting, the first week in January, it could definitely be back by March.
Whether they'll decide to do that or not is another question.

As i said in one of the other threads, TV companies tend to avoid airing their high-rated shows during the Summer as there's less viewers.

So if the strike is resolved, odds are you won't see most shows til September. And especially the ones who have already had their seasons finale ('Heroes' has set in stone this episode as the finale of season 2).

Agamemnon

Goodshape wrote: »

But instead, he stopped the virus getting released first - so god only knows whats happened to the girlfriend. Good thinking there, Peter.

Great way to dump someone though - strand them in the future and then prevent that future from occurring.

I think Sylar might retain Claire's regenerative power as well. His power is to see how things work, usually by looking at the brains of people he's killed. Claire's blood doesn't need Claire around to work though, so he could have "looked" at the blood before injecting himself with it and acquired its power permanently.

topher182

my god i loved every second of this episode has to be said! i was sad to see the end of it tho! the company are going down in season 3!!!!!:D peter isnt gonna be happy!!!

Hrududu

What an awful pile of ****e. This show had better pick up again in the next series or I am done for good:

Peter is an idiot. He is too powerful so they counterbalance it with him having the IQ of a frog. Very frustrating to watch. They kill off Maya only to bring her back, worst character of all time. Sylar is now back to full power. He should have stayed dead at the end of series 1.

I'm annoyed about Nathan. Either he is dead and that sucks as he is my favourite character. Or they bring him back which cheapens the show even more as it will really mean that nobody will ever die. I thought it was clearly spelled out that Bennett was the shooter so it was weird to come online and see there was some debate over it.

Mark Hamill

I'm looking at the scene where Nathan gets shot and three things occur to me:
1. when Matt looks to see who the shooter and sees one guy walking away, why doesn't he yell stop?
2 why doesn't Peter stop time so he can see who the shooter is/transport Nathan to thehospital/find Claire and use her blood(or even try his own).
3. the guy who is walking away doesn't look like he is wearing glasses, he seems to be dark haired and is wearing a baseball hat (the master of disguises greatest tool). I don't think that it was Noah.

Another thing, if Noah's eye was repaired by Claires blood, then why does he still need glasses? Her blood will repair gunshot wounds but not astigmitism?

Best scene: when Hiro yells "Flying man!!!" and Matt says "Who the hell is this guy?"

Mark Hamill

Another thing, if it takes longer than episode 1 of season 3 to find out who killed/shot Nathan, then this show is totally done for, they already had an episode where Hiro went back in time to find out who killed his father, Peter can just do the same.

Basq

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Another thing, if it takes longer than episode 1 of season 3 to find out who killed/shot Nathan, then this show is totally done for, they already had an episode where Hiro went back in time to find out who killed his father, Peter can just do the same.

For some reason.. i was sure it'd be revealed there. Matt looking around the crowd. I was sure it'd be Noah too (simply due to the fact that we discovered he would be going back with The Company moments before it).

Definitely didn't look like him walking away though..!

Cabaal

http://www.corinthianlasvegas.com kinda fits in with the latest ep, though has potential spoilers

standbyme

Cabaal wrote: »

http://www.corinthianlasvegas.com kinda fits in with the latest ep, though has potential spoilers

Deluxe Rooms
First-class accommodations for the discriminating traveler.

Shouldnt that be discerning

Was it meant to be a swanky/sarcastic hotel

thelordofcheese

Goodshape wrote: »

Main downpoint is the number of plot-holes that are opened by having a character like Peter around ::

- Wasn't it Peter's blood that healed Nathans scars after season one? So no reason to believe he won't do the same again.

Nope. That was Adams, also there is no reason to believe that his blood would ahve the same properties.

Goodshape wrote: »

- Why didn't Peter teleport to the future once he got his powers back and save his girlfriend?

Because she'd probably be infected, so it makes more sense to stop the virus, then go get her. Also, peter has nowhere near the mastery of the time travel that hiro does. Theres no reason to think peter can travel with any degree of accuracy. Think Hiro around the start of season one.

Also i think this section of boards would have imploded if she came back with everyones BAAAAWING if we had to 'suffer' the accent again.

Goodshape wrote: »

- Once he was shown the door, why did he need Adam to go inside at all? He has numerous ways of getting in there himself and destroying the virus.

Well, he has no idea where the virus is inside the vault for the start, plus, y'know they have this whole trust thing going on.

Goodshape wrote: »

- Why didn't he just read Adam's mind and get the full inside story?

What reason has he to do that?
Adam has saved his brothers life, helped him break out of the companys jail, show him what a crowd of utter bastards they are and is showing him a way to stop the destruction peter saw in the future.
Heck, aside from the fact we *know* that adam is evil, i'd actually trust the guy in peters position.

Goodshape wrote: »

- Why the **** was he such a gullible fool in the first place? Don't think that was ever explained.

:rolleyes:
I'm fairly certain it's been his character from day one, he's too nice/trusting. Though to be fair he's not half as retarded as people seem to be making out.
It's not like adam was being overly suspicious, or making asides going "you fool!" while twiddling his waxed and villainous moustace

That aside, i was very happy with that.
For something that ,for reasons outside of their control, has been cut short by about 12 episodes the writers have managed to pull something quite entertaining together.

I hope that they keep the characters that have been killed "dead", i know this is essentially XMen without the spandex but lets not that that franchises attitude towards death.

And we need a new villan for season 3, while sylar is alright, he's not really capable of the kind of evil this show needs, he just kills and takes powers, he's a blunt instrument.
Hopefully the real villians for season 3 will be the old guard from the company trying to supress the information peter and matt have. Something with a little bit more purpose than sylars lust for braaaaaaaaaaaaaains