almost attacked my knackers at the luas stop

Package

i was standing at the luas stop getting a ticket one day and this junkie asked me for money,, when i said no he called me a hungry B,,astard. i was so shocked i turned and walked off. but get this

ok, i was finished work a couple of weeks ago and walked down to the luas stop at houston station to get the luas into town. it was about ten past 6 and dark, when i got there. there was a couple of people standing waiting on the luas.

i went to put money into the machine, and when the junkie who was goofing off heard the money drop, he raised his head, but not his eye lids and muttered the usual "any change there bud", . when i said "no man,sorry, ive no change". the conversation went something like this

go on,, gis some money
i dont have any man
yeah ya do, ,gis a few quid for a hostel
no
**** sake man, youve loads of change
no your alright
how the **** am i alright, i wouldnt be here if i was alright would i

i collected my ticket and walked towrads where the luas would be. to my surprise, it didnt stop there. the other guy, who seemed just to be a drunk joined in (in green)

get up and funch the FFFing head off him
i should shouldnt i
punch the FFFing scumbags head in, go on,, needle the C.U.N.T.
what? are you FFFing serious? cause i wont give yous money?
who the FFF are you talking ta, who? ill cut your FFFing throat ya priiiick
what are ya saying,, you wanna be FFFing cut open?

normally, at this point youd lose it and smash their heads in like they deserve, but the whole "needle the CUN>T" thing had thrown me. last thing i need is a disease off one of these THINGs

the abuse lasted about another 2 minutes untill the luas came,, loads of yeah cause you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth you scumbag. me? the scumbag?


has anyone else encountered this kind of abuse when refusing to give every person who begs some money?

condra

You must be built like a tank. Most people wouldn't survive that, let alone give back cheek in the first place.

Junkies are the bane of this country, and one of the few things that deviates my otherwise lefty, tolerant, peace-loving mentality.

I say shoot them all, I feckin hate them.

Package

no, im small which is probably why they got so fresh, bet they wouldnt whimper to a 6ft2 brick ****house. i agree totally with your method of fixation though

condra

When I was 16, I was mugged on the DART with a syringe up to my throat.

When I was about 21, a diner I was working in was raided by a junkie weilding a hammer and a skrewdriver. He threatened to "smash my head in." He also threatened the lives of other members of staff in a ten minute rampage from the front of the diner to the office upstairs.

Luckily, I was able to make my escape and raise the alarm. The cops got him and he was taken away in the squad car. The cops assurred me that I was safe, but a week later he came back to the diner with 2 junkie mates, to get me, and who knows what would have happened if it wasnt for the bouncers who quickly bundled them out the front door.

I left the job that very moment and got a taxi home an hour later after a very nervous cup of tea.

I think most people in Dublin have had negetive experiences with heroin addicts, and many have had horriffic experiences with them. It's outrageous what they get away with.

Nuttzz

dont engage in any conversation with them for a start, dont make eye to eye contact either, treat them like they arent there. Works for me most of the time, the last time someone got aggressive with me I said to him, in a normal voice, sorry i dont speak any english...it confused the feck out of him long enough for me to get away

oleras

I dont live in Dublin, T.F. But if a stray dog came up to me barking and growling, he would get a kick in stones......take from that what you like.

Tex Diablo

About two years ago me and my mate were walking home from the pub.We passed a bench with some bloke sitting on it who did the usual,"Got any change mate?" He was obviously out of his mind on something so i told him to "***k off".He really started then,screaming abuse and threatening us.Suddenly he lurched off the bench and came towards us.My mate had a bottle of Stella which he smashed in to the side of this blokes head,he hit the floor like a sack of ****.We started to give him a good shoeing but people were coming out of a nearby pub,so not wanting to spend the night in a Liverpool nick, we legged it.I just hope it has made him think before he abuses strangers again.

Hagar

Great stuff, more adventures please. Did you get him with the bottle after you broke it? Tell us, how good did it really feel kicking an unconscious person on the ground. Were there really only two of you kicking him? Cool.

Last question. What makes you think we want people like you around here?

ecom

Package wrote: »

get up and funch the FFFing head off him
i should shouldnt i
punch the FFFing scumbags head in, go on,, needle the C.U.N.T.
what? are you FFFing serious? cause i wont give yous money?
who the FFF are you talking ta, who? ill cut your FFFing throat ya priiiick
what are ya saying,, you wanna be FFFing cut open?

normally, at this point youd lose it and smash their heads in like they deserve, but the whole "needle the CUN>T" thing had thrown me. last thing i need is a disease off one of these THINGs

the abuse lasted about another 2 minutes untill the luas came,, loads of yeah cause you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth you scumbag. me? the scumbag?


has anyone else encountered this kind of abuse when refusing to give every person who begs some money?

Thats outrageous! What did the guards do when you called them? I presume you called them obviously.....

Tex Diablo

Hagar wrote: »

Great stuff, more adventures please. Did you get him with the bottle after you broke it? Tell us, how good did it really feel kicking an unconscious person on the ground. Were there really only two of you kicking him? Cool.

Last question. What makes you think we want people like you around here?

Exactly what "type of people" do you like around here your Holiness.I shall try to change if it helps me fit in. It's very PC of you to take the side of some smacked-up lunatic who would have had no qualms about attacking me. Would you like him living next door to you. Or,God forbid turning up at your golf club?

sunzz

^^ I lol'd

Hagar

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Exactly what "type of people" do you like around here your Holiness.

Decent people, not thugs.
I'm not "your Holiness" , you're mixing me up with PopeBenny16.

Tex Diablo wrote: »

I shall try to change if it helps me fit in.

Don't go to any trouble on my account.

Tex Diablo wrote: »

It's very PC of you to take the side of some smacked-up lunatic who would have had no qualms about attacking me.

I'm not PC, in any way, shape or form.
Don't worry about being attacked, as long as you and you can buddy roam the streets drinking (illegal I thought, but there you go) and are able to beat people over the head with bottles you'll be grand.

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Would you like him living next door to you.

Maybe he does, did you catch his name?

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Or,God forbid turning up at your golf club?

I don't play golf. I played pitch and putt once in Finglas, does that count?

Mr.Nice Guy

Package wrote: »

it was about ten past 6 and dark, when i got there. there was a couple of people standing waiting on the luas.

So did other people see what went on and just ignore it? If so that makes it even worse.

TheVan

Two Mistakes

1. Traveling on the Red Line (red is a well known danger colour....knacks and scumbags abound on the Red Line)

2. Not taking out a E50 note from your pocket and saying, "mate this is all I have and I think you'll agree I shouldn't give it to you". He would then reply "fair enough old chap"


PS - the title of the post has "attacked my knackers". I thought it was going to be a hilarious thread about punching yourself in the goolies.

I was wrong

connundrum

ecom wrote: »

Thats outrageous! What did the guards do when you called them? I presume you called them obviously.....

While I would always advocate calling the plod for any sort of crime, they clearly would have laughed this off and probably told you that there is actual crime going on which they need to take care of. And they'd be right.

The OP took a bit of abuse from junkies, had the OP actually felt threatened, then the OP should have moved to a different spot, or even walked to the next Luas stop.

Xavi6

Tex Diablo wrote: »

About two years ago me and my mate were walking home from the pub.We passed a bench with some bloke sitting on it who did the usual,"Got any change mate?" He was obviously out of his mind on something so i told him to "***k off".He really started then,screaming abuse and threatening us.

Firstly where was the need to tell him to "f*ck off"? A simple "Sorry mate I've no change" would have sufficed. I don't blame him for getting pissed.

Secondly you and your mates no doubt had a couple of coins goin spare after a night in the pub. Would have done you no harm to chuck him a few coppers. Everyone's happy.

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Suddenly he lurched off the bench and came towards us.My mate had a bottle of Stella which he smashed in to the side of this blokes head,he hit the floor like a sack of ****.We started to give him a good shoeing but people were coming out of a nearby pub,so not wanting to spend the night in a Liverpool nick, we legged it.I just hope it has made him think before he abuses strangers again.

Well that's scumbag of the highest order. There were was one of him and a couple of you so you think it's a hard man thing to put the boot into a guy when he's on the floor? I saw the exact same thing happen in a pub fight here on Sunday afternoon. Guy unconscious after a couple of digs and a few bright sparks decided to weigh in with a few kicks while he was on the ground out of it, splitting his head in the process. Absolutely disgusting and a true sign of a coward. Bet if you were walkin home on your own you wouldn't be too quick to get into a fight with him.

Mr.Nice Guy

connundrum wrote: »

While I would always advocate calling the plod for any sort of crime, they clearly would have laughed this off and probably told you that there is actual crime going on which they need to take care of. And they'd be right.

Uh no they wouldn't. Did you read the original post? I'm no expert on law but I'm pretty sure you can't demand money from someone and then threaten to cut their "FFFing throat".

If they laughed that off then they belong in the cast of Police Academy.

Nick_oliveri

"needle the C.U.N.T."
Wow thats fairly scummy. Fack!

The last time i was in Dublin i seen some poor junkies nearly riding a wall, drinking cans with teeth like a rusty rake. I felt sorry for them. They were obviously scagged out of it. i dont know how ye city folk can stick the depravity.

KingOfFairview

I got mugged with syringes twice when I was a kid. First time we were taken down a lane besude Busaras and searched and robbed, though not battered. Scared the **** out of me though.

SheroN

The junkie problem is gone way out of control. It's even gotten worse in my eyes over the past month.

Over the past 3 days I've seen:

a) a guy shooting up in a phone box on dame street on Sunday at 2pm. While a garda stood about 20 seconds away watching cars drive down the road.

b) Someone openly dealing herroin on Dame Street. "Sit down there a t the ATM and beg and get some money I'll give you a bag then"

KingOfFairview

SheroN wrote: »

The junkie problem is gone way out of control. It's even gotten worse in my eyes over the past month.

Over the past 3 days I've seen:

a) a guy shooting up in a phone box on dame street on Sunday at 2pm. While a garda stood about 20 seconds away watching cars drive down the road.

b) Someone openly dealing herroin on Dame Street. "Sit down there a t the ATM and beg and get some money I'll give you a bag then"

Its bad, but nowhere near as bad as it was about ten years ago. Dublin was swarming with junkies then, there isnt as many around now wouldnt you agree?

SheroN

I was 15 10 years ago and didn't live in Dublin so I couldn't honestly say :-)

KingOfFairview

SheroN wrote: »

I was 15 10 years ago and didn't live in Dublin so I couldn't honestly say :-)

Fair enough. I think its still a big problem, but I was 17 ten years ago and town just seemed to be teeming with them, had to watch your back a lot more... maybe its part of looking a lot less like a viable target now, but I havent felt threatened by one in years and I genuinely think theres a hell of a lot less of them floating around

Drummerboy2

The Malborough Street area is now notorious for drug addicts. Very harrowing sight. They are like the living dead. Young women with children in prams. They mostly argue among themselves, but I have heard of many instances of people being attacked. Luckily I'm 6'5" so not likely to get hassled. The vast majority of these people have no future whatsoever and in all likelihood will be dead in a few years time. Sad but true.

connundrum

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Uh no they wouldn't. Did you read the original post? I'm no expert on law but I'm pretty sure you can't demand money from someone and then threaten to cut their "FFFing throat".

If they laughed that off then they belong in the cast of Police Academy.

I'm speaking from experience, which is why I may sound cynical. A building that I look after is constantly riddled with junkies who use it as their personal shooting up gallery. We had been calling the Guards constantly, but found that it was futile as they were pretty much powerless to do anything more than move the junkies along. I do not hold the Guards at all responsible for this problem, as they are working within their remit.

Maybe I shouldn't have said that the OP would be laughed at, but on the scale of things, this incident wouldn't rate too high on the Guards' to do list.

Again, had I been confronted with two junkies who were having a go, I would have simply walked on. If you engage them, you'll only frustrate yourself or heighten tensions. If you kick the bollocks out of them, it means a free night in hospital with a couple of hot meals to boot. Either way they win.

Walk on and ignore.

biko

almost attacked my knackers at the luas stop

Best part of thread was the misleading title. Your knackers?!

Tex Diablo

Xavi6 wrote: »

Firstly where was the need to tell him to "f*ck off"? A simple "Sorry mate I've no change" would have sufficed. I don't blame him for getting pissed.

Secondly you and your mates no doubt had a couple of coins goin spare after a night in the pub. Would have done you no harm to chuck him a few coppers. Everyone's happy.



Well that's scumbag of the highest order. There were was one of him and a couple of you so you think it's a hard man thing to put the boot into a guy when he's on the floor? I saw the exact same thing happen in a pub fight here on Sunday afternoon. Guy unconscious after a couple of digs and a few bright sparks decided to weigh in with a few kicks while he was on the ground out of it, splitting his head in the process. Absolutely disgusting and a true sign of a coward. Bet if you were walkin home on your own you wouldn't be too quick to get into a fight with him.

Thank you for your sweeping generalisations and for thinking you know me so well,not at all arrogant.May i just say i have been attacked twice by junkies,the last time put me in hospital.I have had a blood filled syringe thrown at me and last year my sister had her nose badly broken trying to stop her handbag being stolen whilst shopping with her two year old.So forgive me for not sharing your bleeding-heart sentiments.
Tell me,should i give every crack addict or smack-head money,just to "keep everyone happy" or only the ones who ask nicely and say thank you?
I too now live in Perth,thankfully it's not nearly as infested with these gob****es as back in the UK.Perhaps this has given you the rose coloured view you have of them.
I was walking home minding my own business.HE was threatening ME.HE could have had a knife or syringe.HE was the one putting himself in harms way.
This is a forum for opinions and in my opinion the only good junkie is an injured one.
Take care on the mean streets of W.A.

0ubliette

Not to sound reactionary but they should all be wiped out. Possibly in some sort of death camp.
Did a stint working in a net cafe a few years ago, one friday night junkies decided to shoot up in the phone boxes. After what seemed like forever wondering if i was going to find a dead body in a phone box on my second day at work they staggered out, muttering something about me 'turnin off de fowns' and 'has anybodey gorreny toila roll' to the whole shop, they left, i quit, and have never looked back.

Xavi6

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Thank you for your sweeping generalisations and for thinking you know me so well,not at all arrogant.May i just say i have been attacked twice by junkies,the last time put me in hospital.I have had a blood filled syringe thrown at me and last year my sister had her nose badly broken trying to stop her handbag being stolen whilst shopping with her two year old.So forgive me for not sharing your bleeding-heart sentiments.Tell me,should i give every crack addict or smack-head money,just to "keep everyone happy" or only the ones who ask nicely and say thank you?

Maybe if you and your family did adopt a more pleasant approach some of those incidents could have been avoided. "F*ck off" is generally a comment that is going to incite a reaction.

Tex Diablo wrote: »

I too now live in Perth,thankfully it's not nearly as infested with these gob****es as back in the UK.Perhaps this has given you the rose coloured view you have of them.

Ok I moved to Perth in February having spent 21 years in Ireland. I know what I'm talking about. You clearly musn't venture into Northbridge too much if you think it's all smelling of roses. Ever been approached by drunk/glue sniffing aboriginies? As bad, if not worse, than Irish junkies as they take absolutely no sh*t and if you start on one there'll be ten more around the corner waiting.

Tex Diablo wrote: »

I was walking home minding my own business.HE was threatening ME.HE could have had a knife or syringe.HE was the one putting himself in harms way.

He only threatened you after your hostility in telling him to "f*ck off".

Tex Diablo wrote: »

This is a forum for opinions and in my opinion the only good junkie is an injured one.

Are you sure he was a junkie and not just a homeless beggar?

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Take care on the mean streets of W.A.

Thank you for your concern.

GhostInTheRuins

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So did other people see what went on and just ignore it? If so that makes it even worse.

What would you have done if you were one of the other people there? There's no way I would get involved with aggressive junkies that may or may not have had a syringe.

Tony Danza

Tex Diablo wrote: »

I was walking home minding my own business.HE was threatening ME.HE could have had a knife or syringe.HE was the one putting himself in harms way.
This is a forum for opinions and in my opinion the only good junkie is an injured one.
Take care on the mean streets of W.A.

I agree with you, if the guy was big enough to make threats because you wouldn't give him any money, then he was big to take what came to him. Although I would say kicking him when he's down is a little over the top, but I still think your actions are better than just giving him money.

Zulu

....yea, but YOU were the thug that smashed the bottle, and YOU were the thug that kicked some one when they were down.


Kinda like a knacker would do.

latenia

If the worst comes to the worst, they're actually very easy to deal with due to their condition. Push one and he'll go flying about 15 feet back and not be able to get up for at least 10 seconds, leaving you with a chance to get away. I've had to do this 4 or 5 times, although I've never faced a syringe which would probably make me sh1t myself.

Riesen_Meal

I got a syringe held to my neck when I was in school and my walkman (remember them!) robbed, made me **** scared to go into town for ages, I wouldnt go near the place for months, then one smackhead tried to rob me when I was a bit older and wiser (also in town), and I remembered the words my Dad told me after it happened :

"Hit em a dig in the stomach" - ive never seen a junkie fall so quick, he was dead right, I didnt like doin it but it might have made him think twice before the next time he tries robbing some young teenager for his mp3 player/phone/whatever....

Im not a violent person or would I advocate violence in the slightest, but sometimes these muppets need to be thought a lesson - their way....

Hagar

Tex Diablo wrote: »

I too now live in Perth,thankfully it's not nearly as infested with these gob****es as back in the UK.

The Luas goes to the UK? No wonder it cost so much.

SheroN

I had one on Dame Street last year ask me for money. I told him I had no money so he replies "I bet if I mugged you you'd have money". I totally lost the head and started shouting at him asking him what he said. I pushed him and he fell backwards onto the ground. I went to walk off and he started swearing at me, so i turned and started to walk back towards him and he started cowering like a broken shell of a man.

I admit pushing him was a step too far, I don't think he was expecting me to lose the head though!

griffdaddy

I've always wondered about the whole syringe thing, like after they stick you, is there not this wonderful sense of perverse abandon and revenge that you can now smash this guy up without the fear of the worst happening? do they not realise once they do that you're gonna give them the hiding to end all hidings?

uglyjohn

i hate them, i really do but i dont agree with tex.

ok maybe instinct took over when he came at you so you swung the bottle without thinking, you had a bad experience in the past so i can look past that...but you and your mates were kicking him on the ground makes you scum.
if the police had come along then its you who would have ended up in court.

uglyjohn

griffdaddy wrote: »

I've always wondered about the whole syringe thing, like after they stick you, is there not this wonderful sense of perverse abandon and revenge that you can now smash this guy up without the fear of the worst happening? do they not realise once they do that you're gonna give them the hiding to end all hidings?

i dont really think revenge can make up for aids.

kmick

SheroN wrote: »

I had one on Dame Street last year ask me for money. I told him I had no money so he replies "I bet if I mugged you you'd have money". I totally lost the head and started shouting at him asking him what he said. I pushed him and he fell backwards onto the ground. I went to walk off and he started swearing at me, so i turned and started to walk back towards him and he started cowering like a broken shell of a man.

I admit pushing him was a step too far, I don't think he was expecting me to lose the head though!

I found this approach works also. Its like a barking dog - they are more afraid of you then you are of them. Saw my mate screaming at one guy one night and he ran for his life. Act aggro and they back off. They can mug a defenceless granny instead of you.

seamus

I've lived in Dublin all my life and I've never had hassle from junkies nor seen any shooting up. Seen plenty on the side of the street, obviously.

Procasinator

biko wrote: »

almost attacked my knackers at the luas stop

Best part of thread was the misleading title. Your knackers?!

Fo' sure! In Australia knackers can refer to your balls. I thought we might have to suggest this be moved for to PI for an addiction to spanking the monkey in public.

The OP should have smacked the monkeys giving him hassle though. I wouldn't reccommend violence, but there is no reasoning with scum. Try to say something, all you get is "I'll bust your jaw" or "Shut up or I slit ya". Unfortunately, this isn't just the case in Dublin; it stretches throughout the country: cities and towns.

Tex Diablo

Xavi6 wrote: »

Maybe if you and your family did adopt a more pleasant approach some of those incidents could have been avoided. "F*ck off" is generally a comment that is going to incite a reaction.



Ok I moved to Perth in February having spent 21 years in Ireland. I know what I'm talking about. You clearly musn't venture into Northbridge too much if you think it's all smelling of roses. Ever been approached by drunk/glue sniffing aboriginies? As bad, if not worse, than Irish junkies as they take absolutely no sh*t and if you start on one there'll be ten more around the corner waiting.



He only threatened you after your hostility in telling him to "f*ck off".



Are you sure he was a junkie and not just a homeless beggar?



Thank you for your concern.

Believe me i've had plenty of experiences with abo's sonny

OT slightly but oh well.

I was in New York in October for my brother's wedding. We were walking through Manhattan trying to find a nice pub (this involved much drunken dancing). When these 2 homeless guys came up to us. They kept asking my brother and his best friend for some money, when the best friend asked what he wanted the money for. He was told for food. So the best friend tells him to follow him, and they go off into a pizza joint where he proceeded to buy the 2 men pizza.

The first, who had asked for the money originally, delightfully took the pizza, whilst the second, who obviously wanted it for something else, just walked away. We continued on our merry drunken way with the first shouting at us, "you're a kind, kind man"

Just a light-hearted story to cheer this up.

griffdaddy

uglyjohn wrote: »

i dont really think revenge can make up for aids.

oh yeah, of course i accept that totally. but situationally, how is the attacker better off doing it it if once it's done he's gonna get nothing except Griffdaddy's Greatest Hits?

Xavi6

Tex Diablo wrote: »

Believe me i've had plenty of experiences with abo's sonny

Then why say Perth is some sort of safe haven in comparison to Dublin?

Tex Diablo

Tony Danza wrote: »

I agree with you, if the guy was big enough to make threats because you wouldn't give him any money, then he was big to take what came to him. Although I would say kicking him when he's down is a little over the top, but I still think your actions are better than just giving him money.

Thank you. I am not proud of what i did and i might not do the same again. It's very difficult to know how you would react in any given situation, especially one where you're life might be in danger(something the holier than thou people might consider) Perhaps i did go over the top but at the end of it all i wasn't the one in hospital or with HIV.

Tex Diablo

Xavi6 wrote: »

Then why say Perth is some sort of safe haven in comparison to Dublin?

Generally you have to seek out abo's to have a serious problem with them.I have found junkies seek you out.

MonkeyWrench

Myself and 2 mates were walking home in Galway a few years back and 3 lads came up to us with sandbags wrapped around their arms. They were all built like mike tyson and on serious drugs. They didn't even say anything to us just whacked us in the head. 2 of us got away but unfortunately my mate didn't, he appeared in the local hospital an hour later and we didn't even recognise him cause his face was so badly beaten. I found out later that night that they went to Eyre square and stabbed a bouncer through the face. They only got a couple of months in the slammer. My 2 cents..

DonJose

oleras wrote: »

I dont live in Dublin, T.F. But if a stray dog came up to me barking and growling, he would get a kick in stones......take from that what you like.

At least they put down stray dogs......take from that what you like

Jumpy

You know "abo" is a derogatory term right?