What marques do you not buy?

kaiser sauze

Simply list the carmakers that you will not, under any circumstances, give real consideration to buying a car from. List a reason if you wish.

One thing I am specifically leaving out of my list is super-carmakers and dedicated sports marques. Include these if you wish.

Ford: big car, built for 3 year olds.

Smart: .

Nissan: .

Opel: Utter crap.

Ssangyong: Not convinced.

BMW: too common and not worth the premium.

Citroen: sh1troen.

Peugeot: sh1troen's inbred half-sister.

Rover/MG: .

Audi: Overpriced VW.

Hyundai: Worst car marque on the road. They should not be allowed to make cars.

Proton: .

Toyota: Completely bland and pointless.

Kia: 7 year warranty does not convince.

Land Rover: I like trees.

Cadillac: I like trees X 2, and I like to be able to tell whether my wheels are in touch with the road.

Chrysler: See Cadillac.

Suzuki: Yet to come across a car well put together.

Daewoo: American vagueness?

Daihatsu: .

FIAT: Why do people still buy these cars?

Perodua: .

Lexus: Toyota part's bin hand-me-downs, with a premium.

Mitsubishi: Nothing of note.

Bentley: Just look too brutish.

Rolls-Royce: See Bentley

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I also will not buy any car that has not got twin reversing lights. Yes, I know: :rolleyes:. Twin rear foglights are a definite plus.

Anan1

Only an idiot would categorically exclude a car from their shopping list based on the manufacturer alone.

kaiser sauze

Anan1 wrote: »

Only an idiot would categorically exclude a car from their shopping list based on the manufacturer alone.

Why thank you for that most insightful remark.

If the topic offends you in such a manner why comment? Only an idiot comments on things that they deem to be of no interest to them whatsoever.

littlejukka

kaiser sauze wrote: »

Why thank you for that most insightful remark.

If the topic offends you in such a manner why comment? Only an idiot comments on things that they deem to be of no interest to them whatsoever.

he's dead right. you obviously have no idea what to look for when buying a new car.

Esel

OP, would it not be easier to list cars you would buy?

TheBigLebowski

kaiser sauze wrote: »

Why thank you for that most insightful remark.

If the topic offends you in such a manner why comment? Only an idiot comments on things that they deem to be of no interest to them whatsoever.

It's a bit ironic that anans remark was more insightful than any of yours in the OP...

Anan1

To be fair, I could have been a bit more tactful. That said...:)

Hagar

Ferrari
Masserati
Lamborghini
Aston Martin
Mercedes Maclaren

Reason: Poverty

colm_mcm

I'd like the OP to elaborate on Lexus and Hyundai in particular. Maybe he can educate me, as he seems to know what he's on about.

plissken

The op is obviously a troll no-one can be so uneducated when it comes to cars surely

L1011

kaiser sauze wrote: »

FIAT: Why do people still buy these cars?

Because they're cheap, have massive warranties, the best diesel engine on the market, very good fuel efficiency and don't look like an Asian folded cardboard box?

I wouldn't buy MG or Rover, thats about it

craichoe

New ?

Volkswagen because their dealerships and after sales sucks.

Buying second hand i wouldn't really limit myself i think, depreciation has set in at that point anyway and you can look up common faults with most of them. Like the Rover 75 2 Litre Petrols, prone to head gasket failure, 3 times in 1 year is just not right

plissken

craichoe wrote: »

New ?

Like the Rover 75 2 Litre Petrols, prone to head gasket failure, 3 times in 1 year is just not right

Nonsense, the 75 is a great car and will only cause problems if your too lazy/incompetent to open the bonnet once a week and check your levels.

Anan1

plissken wrote: »

Nonsense, the 75 is a great car and will only cause problems if your too lazy/incompetent to open the bonnet once a week and check your levels.

Like most people?;)

Stephen

Ssang Yong - because every model in their range looks like it was designed by a blind chimp with half a brain. That's about it really, I'd consider any other marque.

craichoe

plissken wrote: »

Nonsense, the 75 is a great car and will only cause problems if your too lazy/incompetent to open the bonnet once a week and check your levels.

Nah, i disagree, it was a Company Car and regularly serviced and valeted by the dealer. The Head Gasket problem was confirmed by Rover and covered outside warranty, we even got a letter from them.

Even the Dealer Dropped Rover at that point saying he had too many people coming back with MG's and Rovers he was selling.

The Diesel Version was rock solid though, although its well known at this stage its a BMW engine.

Wishbone Ash

plissken wrote: »

Nonsense, the 75 is a great car and will only cause problems if your too lazy/incompetent to open the bonnet once a week and check your levels.

It could be argued that if the bonnet has to be opened once a week then it isn't great. I'm sure we all know people who never check anything in their car and only give it abuse but they never seem to have any trouble!



EDIT:........and they get the same trade in price as those of us who do all the right things! :(:(

alias no.9

I'd never chose a car based on the badge. I like cars with high depreciation, usually about 5 or 6 years old, so that someone else has paid for that. They need to have decent handling and a bit of poke. A bit of style is good but not essential, the way it drives is much more important. I'd go for a higher mileage if it means the expensive maintenance (cam belts etc...) has been recently completed rather than needed soon, i.e. if the service interval for the belts is 70k, I'd take an 80k example with the work done over a 60k example that needs it done in the next few months. I ignore prejudices, research the common faults and check the car out properly. The first two letters on the number plate do not impress me at all. I generally don't start out with a particular budget and salesmen hate me because I just tell them that I'll pay the right money for the right car rather than giving them a figure. I tend to sell my old car privately and be a cash buyer.

Anan1

Well put.

craichoe

alias no.9 wrote: »

I'd never chose a car based on the badge. I like cars with high depreciation, usually about 5 or 6 years old, so that someone else has paid for that. They need to have decent handling and a bit of poke. A bit of style is good but not essential, the way it drives is much more important. I'd go for a higher mileage if it means the expensive maintenance (cam belts etc...) has been recently completed rather than needed soon, i.e. if the service interval for the belts is 70k, I'd take an 80k example with the work done over a 60k example that needs it done in the next few months. I ignore prejudices, research the common faults and check the car out properly. The first two letters on the number plate do not impress me at all. I generally don't start out with a particular budget and salesmen hate me because I just tell them that I'll pay the right money for the right car rather than giving them a figure. I tend to sell my old car privately and be a cash buyer.

Spot on, I'm the same, I like saving the money that a person spends on the New Smell

GreeBo

craichoe wrote: »

Spot on, I'm the same, I like saving the money that a person spends on the New Smell

"New Smell" is €4.99 in Halfords

kaiser sauze wrote:

Toyota: Completely bland and pointless.

Err what?
I happen to like my 98 Avensis that will probably outlive the cockroaches. If lasting forever is bland and pointless then count me in.

Alun

Opel/Vauxhalls : just never liked them really. Never liked the (for me, overly high) seating position for a start.

Anything French or Italian : they should stick to what they do well .. food and fashion and leave complicated stuff like technology to the Northern Europeans.

Ssangyong : just too damn ugly.

Victor_M

kaiser sauze wrote: »

Simply list the carmakers that you will not, under any circumstances, give real consideration to buying a car from. List a reason if you wish.

One thing I am specifically leaving out of my list is super-carmakers and dedicated sports marques. Include these if you wish.

Ford: big car, built for 3 year olds.

Smart: .

Nissan: .

Opel: Utter crap.

Ssangyong: Not convinced.

BMW: too common and not worth the premium.

Citroen: sh1troen.

Peugeot: sh1troen's inbred half-sister.

Rover/MG: .

Audi: Overpriced VW.

Hyundai: Worst car marque on the road. They should not be allowed to make cars.

Proton: .

Toyota: Completely bland and pointless.

Kia: 7 year warranty does not convince.

Land Rover: I like trees.

Cadillac: I like trees X 2, and I like to be able to tell whether my wheels are in touch with the road.

Chrysler: See Cadillac.

Suzuki: Yet to come across a car well put together.

Daewoo: American vagueness?

Daihatsu: .

FIAT: Why do people still buy these cars?

Perodua: .

Lexus: Toyota part's bin hand-me-downs, with a premium.

Mitsubishi: Nothing of note.

Bentley: Just look too brutish.

Rolls-Royce: See Bentley

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I also will not buy any car that has not got twin reversing lights. Yes, I know: :rolleyes:. Twin rear foglights are a definite plus.

So that pretty much just leaves the car you currently own, by the looks of things either an Alfa or a Honda.

So the brand you now is the best brand availale and the rest of us are eejits.

Good thread:rolleyes:

Eoin

Taking supercars out of the equation (Hagar's reason is the same for me), I think the only brand I wouldn't buy is one that only does SUVs, as I don't need one. Oh yeah, Mitsuoka would be a no-no. Apart from that, I would keep my options open.

That said, there are a few brands that have no models I like, but that's going by particular model, not some pre-conceived notion of the brand itself.

craichoe wrote:

Even the Dealer Dropped Rover at that point saying he had too many people coming back with MG's and Rovers he was selling.

This is something I always wondered about - I was under the impression that it's a marque that drops the dealership, not the other way around.

L1011

A dealer can walk away at the end of a contract period, generally.

kaiser sauze

littlejukka wrote: »

he's dead right. you obviously have no idea what to look for when buying a new car.

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

It's a bit ironic that anans remark was more insightful than any of yours in the OP...

plissken wrote: »

The op is obviously a troll no-one can be so uneducated when it comes to cars surely

I'm, quite frankly, amazed at these types of replies.

I start a thread, expressing my opinion and asking for others, with a semi-serious undertone. First post in I get called an 'idiot'; classy!

kaiser sauze

esel wrote: »

OP, would it not be easier to list cars you would buy?

Probably right, but much less fun people glowing over the cars they like.

kaiser sauze

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'd like the OP to elaborate on Lexus and Hyundai in particular. Maybe he can educate me, as he seems to know what he's on about.

This thread is not about education, it is merely a diversion in the vast expanse of the internet.

I'm sure people will base their decisions on whether to buy a marque or not on different sources than this one thread. :rolleyes:

kaiser sauze

alias no.9 wrote: »

I'd never chose a car based on the badge. I like cars with high depreciation, usually about 5 or 6 years old, so that someone else has paid for that. They need to have decent handling and a bit of poke. A bit of style is good but not essential, the way it drives is much more important. I'd go for a higher mileage if it means the expensive maintenance (cam belts etc...) has been recently completed rather than needed soon, i.e. if the service interval for the belts is 70k, I'd take an 80k example with the work done over a 60k example that needs it done in the next few months. I ignore prejudices, research the common faults and check the car out properly. The first two letters on the number plate do not impress me at all. I generally don't start out with a particular budget and salesmen hate me because I just tell them that I'll pay the right money for the right car rather than giving them a figure. I tend to sell my old car privately and be a cash buyer.

You and I have an almost identical approach to buying cars, although I do apply the list I posted to a forecourt of second-hand cars.

kaiser sauze

GreeBo wrote: »

"New Smell" is €4.99 in Halfords


Err what?
I happen to like my 98 Avensis that will probably outlive the cockroaches. If lasting forever is bland and pointless then count me in.

How long do cockroaches live?

kaiser sauze

Alun wrote: »

Opel/Vauxhalls : just never liked them really. Never liked the (for me, overly high) seating position for a start.

Anything French or Italian : they should stick to what they do well .. food and fashion and leave complicated stuff like technology to the Northern Europeans.

Ssangyong : just too damn ugly.

I forgot to put that in as a reason for Ssangyong.

I think only one of the common French/Italian marques made it into my list. It seems we almost have the same perceptions.

Anan1

kaiser sauze wrote: »

You and I have an almost identical approach to buying cars, although I do apply the list I posted to a forecourt of second-hand cars.

What are you talking about?? He says he'd never choose a car based on the badge, whereas you say you 'wouldn't under any circumstances, give real consideration to buying a car from...'

kaiser sauze

Victor_M wrote: »

So that pretty much just leaves the car you currently own, by the looks of things either an Alfa or a Honda.

So the brand you now is the best brand availale and the rest of us are eejits.

Good thread:rolleyes:

I never called anyone an eejit. And you're missing the point of the thread completely.

I think it has potential to be a good thread. I just need the killjoys to steer clear and people to not take it as doctrine.

kaiser sauze

Anan1 wrote: »

What are you talking about?? He says he'd never choose a car based on the badge, whereas you say you 'wouldn't under any circumstances, give real consideration to buying a car from...'

I'm saying that, apart from his openness to any marque, we buy second-hand cars in a similar manner.

Please read before reacting.

peasant

Well ...I certainly wouldn't buy a "Chevrolet".

Just for the name. A tired old Daewoo, based on the last generation GM platform, re-branded as Chevrolet ...who are they kidding?

Have you seen the "all American" ads for them?

That's the one brand of car I'd really be too embarrassed to be seen in or near

Ice_Box

I’m a technilogoy – safty - emmisions fan. I like modern things and I think anything over 5 years old is ugly.

The marques I dislike most are VW and BMW due to their blandness and commonness, even new ones look old.

Cars you’de be surprised I like ...
The new Corsa
The Fiat 500
New Mazda 2 and Mazda 6
Merc S-Class
Audi A5

kaiser sauze

peasant wrote: »

Well ...I certainly wouldn't buy a "Chevrolet".

Just for the name. A tired old Daewoo, based on the last generation GM platform, re-branded as Chevrolet ...who are they kidding?

Have you seen the "all American" ads for them?

That's the one brand of car I'd really be too embarrassed to be seen in or near

Ughh, I left out Chevvy.

Maybe Americans should just stop making cars? Apart from the Mustang and Pontiacs.

kaiser sauze

Ice_Box wrote: »

I’m a technilogoy – safty - emmisions fan. I like modern things and I think anything over 5 years old is ugly.

The marques I dislike most are VW and BMW due to their blandness and commonness, even new ones look old.

Cars you’de be surprised I like ...
The new Corsa
The Fiat 500
New Mazda 2 and Mazda 6
Merc S-Class
Audi A5

The Mazda 6 is a beauty. I'll assume you are talking about the very latest model. It looks very well finished on the inside, clean and elegant. The S-Class is very good looking and engines, well, extremely smooth and powerful. The one ugly one they had was the boxy looking one that was around from the early nineties to end of that decade. Then again, that car is not even on your radar dud to how old it is!

I have to admit the A5 is a lovely car. I know the marque is on my list, but the A5 is completely impractical for me in any case.

siralfalot

Alun wrote: »

Anything French or Italian : they should stick to what they do well .. food and fashion and leave complicated stuff like technology to the Northern Europeans.

really?

so whats going to take the place of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Fiat, Abarth, and Pagani? the VW Golf GTPDTDPGTDDDII?? :rolleyes:

Bo11ox to that!!

Churchy

Renault - previous experience with very poor reliability. Heard from many other dealers its common.

Peugeot/Citroen - would avoid unless cheap , same reason as renault.

I'd give anything a chance.
Kia/Hyundai arent built for people who know the difference between oversteer and understeer - people need a tool to get from A to B and this fits it.

plissken

kaiser sauze wrote: »

Ughh, I left out Chevvy.

Maybe Americans should just stop making cars? Apart from the Mustang and Pontiacs.

the chevrolets on irish roads are actually korean not american oh and the mustang is made by yes you guessed it ford which in your original post you claimed were cars made for 3 year olds

plissken

siralfalot wrote: »

really?

so whats going to take the place of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Fiat, Abarth, and Pagani? the VW Golf GTPDTDPGTDDDII?? :rolleyes:

Bo11ox to that!!

was thinking the same thing myself, hitler drove a vw you dont want to be like hitler do you

Marcus.Aurelius

GreeBo wrote: »

"New Smell" is €4.99 in Halfords

I saw that a while back, really got me smiling. Can buy a six year old car for €6,000, just as good as a new one, and the first owner paid the €35,000 depreciation.

mwah ha ha ha ha ha

siralfalot

plissken wrote: »

was thinking the same thing myself, hitler drove a vw you dont want to be like hitler do you

ROTFL!!!!!! :D:D

although Mussolini drove a 1939 Alfa Romeo 6C Compressore

but given a choice I'd rather be a Mussolini than a Hitler

peasant

plissken wrote: »

was thinking the same thing myself, hitler drove a vw you dont want to be like hitler do you

Hitler never drove anything ...he was chauffeured around (in Mercs mostly)

Because ...the Fuehrer had no Fuehrerschein (driving licence)

kaiser sauze

plissken wrote: »

the chevrolets on irish roads are actually korean not american oh and the mustang is made by yes you guessed it ford which in your original post you claimed were cars made for 3 year olds

Muscle cars are a slightly different breed.

I know very little about Chevvys apart from the fact that they are vulgar.

kaiser sauze

plissken wrote: »

was thinking the same thing myself, hitler drove a vw you dont want to be like hitler do you

No he did not. He set-up VW, the company, so that ordinary citizens would have access to an affordable, reliable means of transport. "The Peoples' Car".

EDIT - Beaten by Peasant.

colm_mcm

No car is perfect, all will have at least one thing that you don't like.

Biro

kaiser sauze wrote: »

Simply list the carmakers that you will not, under any circumstances, give real consideration to buying a car from. List a reason if you wish.

One thing I am specifically leaving out of my list is super-carmakers and dedicated sports marques. Include these if you wish.

Ford: RS2000 Mexico, RS200, Cossie.

Nissan: R32, R33 and R34 Skyline GTR's, 350Z, to name a few. New GTR also.

Opel: Manta 400 anyone?

BMW: Any M car, E30 325i, 2002 Turbo for innovation, etc

Citroen: DS

Peugeot: 205 Gti, 106 gti, 205 T16, 405 coupe T16, 306 GTi-6

Audi: Quattro S1 coupe, RS2, mk2 RS4, new RS6

Hyundai: Upcoming 300bhp rwd coupe...

Toyota: Supra twin turbo, MR2 turbo, GT4, AE86 good in it's time

Kia: 7 year warranty does not convince. (It doesn't have to, buy one and worry not for 7 years!)

Land Rover: Defender - does what it's supposed to do very well.

Suzuki: Yet to come across a car well put together. GSXR anyone?

Daihatsu:

FIAT: 131 Abarth. Invented many things that other car makers copied.

Lexus: Toyota part's bin hand-me-downs, with a premium. LS450 a Toyota hand-me-down?

Mitsubishi: Nothing of note. Evo anyone?!?

Judging only by the badge is narrow minded. A real car enthusiast would look past the badge.

kaiser sauze

Biro wrote: »

Judging only by the badge is narrow minded. A real car enthusiast would look past the badge.

I notice the plethora of hot-hatches and sportscars in your list.

I wonder do you like them with go-faster stripes, or without?

Biro

kaiser sauze wrote: »

I notice the plethora of hot-hatches and sportscars in your list.

I wonder do you like them with go-faster stripes, or without?

And what, pray tell, do stripes have to do with anything?
Do you think that my list of cars are bad?