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Azlan

Are there any areas to avoid renting/buying in Waterford?? What is Ardmore Park like?

ex_infantry man

Azlan wrote: »

Are there any areas to avoid renting/buying in Waterford?? What is Ardmore Park like?

it a bit like moyross in limerick

Quigs Snr

Avoid Ardmore park, there can hardly be a less desirable address in all of Waterford (its part of Ballybeg, just like Clonard Park, Priory Lawn etc....) - I grew up in some of these places, I know how bad they were then and they are by all accounts, far, far worse now.

mike65

Avoid if possible Ballybeg, Kilcohan Park/St Herblain, Tycor, Lisduggan, Lismore Lawn area (students, unless things have changed) that said where you do go rather depends on transport and such like I'd have thought.

If you want a decent idea buy the Munster Express after the district court sits and you'll get the low-down!

Mike.

steven22

mike65 wrote: »

Avoid if possible Ballybeg, Kilcohan Park/St Herblain, Tycor, Lisduggan, Lismore Lawn area (students, unless things have changed) that said where you do go rather depends on transport and such like I'd have thought.

If you want a decent idea buy the Munster Express after the district court sits and you'll get the low-down!

Mike.

You have pretty much named out all of the housing estates in Waterford city.

I understand peoples views on Ballybeg and Kilcohan but Lisduggan and Tycor are grand.

Sully

Parts of Lisduggan are bad, I do believe..

Lismore Park is the place Dominos wont deliver to due to driver abuse I think.

Lots of hassle in Templers Hall at the moment, with the college sending threatning letters to student residents. Probably not the best estate at the moment, full of students and angry neighbours!

dlofnep

Ardmore Park - Avoid at all costs.

paul666

would it of not been a better question to ask.. what places would be nice to rent/buy in?
now theres gonna be a debate on why is such and such a place not a nice area to live in

AdMMM

There would be three main council estates that you should avoid; Larchville, Ballybeg, Kilcohan Park.

Since the construction of dedicated student accommodation in Riverwalk (on the Ring Road) and Manor Village (Cork Rd), there has been a reduction in the amount of students renting houses in the nearby Lismore Park and Lawn area.

ROCKMAN

mike65 wrote: »

Avoid if possible Ballybeg, Kilcohan Park/St Herblain, Tycor, Lisduggan, Lismore Lawn area (students, unless things have changed) that said where you do go rather depends on transport and such like I'd have thought.

If you want a decent idea buy the Munster Express after the district court sits and you'll get the low-down!

Mike.

As a resident of Kilcohan I don't know what to are on about . To the OP all these estates are the same as ever estate in ever city in Ireland 95% of the residents are decent hard working people the other 5% are scum.

Ps As for some of these so called better locations (Ardkeen etc )One or two of them are going to become war zones in the next 10 years mark my words.

fricatus

steven22 wrote: »

You have pretty much named out all of the housing estates in Waterford city.

No, he's pretty much named all the estates on the west side of town. Mostly if you stick east of the Mall-Tramore Road route, you'll be grand. Northwest, like Gracedieu and Cleaboy are fine too... IMHO!

Azlan

Thanks everyone,

Ok Paul666 - the good areas are??

I think it's often easier to isolate the dodgier areas in a city - hopefully there are fewer of them!

joe25

Stay away from Ardkeen village and viewmount and maybe a few more areas out that side of the town.
Ok now but in a few years time all the kids out there will be older and the estates will be full of scum.

older estates in waterford went through all this and are becoming quieter now.

Freddie59

fricatus wrote: »

No, he's pretty much named all the estates on the west side of town. Mostly if you stick east of the Mall-Tramore Road route, you'll be grand. Northwest, like Gracedieu and Cleaboy are fine too... IMHO!

Same here Fric.:) I live in the greater Tycor area and it's no different to anywhere else.;) Students rent out houses everywhere. Their main haunts are anwhere near the campuses. Lismore Park took a big hit down the years with students, but this has eased in the last few years (due to the proliferation of student villages and accomodation).

Hillview, Ashley Court, Norwood likewise. The Manor and Cork Road/Rice Park/Poleberry/Ballytruckle areas have seen a large influx of students since the opening of the Good Shepherd campus - as have the greater Cherrymount and Ursuline Court areas.

It's amazing the way petty snobbery can creep into discussions like this. My late mother used always call it 'a penny looking down on two ha'pennies'. And she was right.

I know of a lad who works in a local shop and lives in the Tycor area. He met someone he hadn't seen for years. The acquaintance was aghast that he hadn't moved on from the area to 'The South Side' as he called it (which he seemd to think was THE area to live in).

'Where is the South Side' asks your man. 'Anywhere south of the main Cork Road' he said. Your man replies 'I'd say all the people in Ballybeg are delighted with that.'. He left the shop without comment.:)

mike65

Anywhere with more than a couple of teenagers is worth avoiding! Its amazing the difference they make to an area or even one street. My road is much quieter since a few moved on, nearly all the kids down here are now 10 or less.

Mike.

Freddie59

mike65 wrote: »

Anywhere with more than a couple of teenagers is worth avoiding! Its amazing the difference they make to an area or even one street. My road is much quieter since a few moved on, nearly all the kids down here are now 10 or less.

Mike.

And guess what they'll grow into Mike!:D Ain't life a circle!

mike65

They are mainly girls so maybe some eye candy in the future!

Mike.

Cabaal

mike65 wrote: »

They are mainly girls so maybe some eye candy in the future!

Mike.

moreee waterrr....

deisemum

joe25 wrote: »

Stay away from Ardkeen village and viewmount and maybe a few more areas out that side of the town.
Ok now but in a few years time all the kids out there will be older and the estates will be full of scum.

older estates in waterford went through all this and are becoming quieter now.

Ah now Viewmount is a mature estate and has a good balance of elderly and young people. It's a fairly quiet estate.

AdMMM

Hate to break it to you, but because of the Celtic Tiger, people could afford to have tonnes of children and spoil them! There's more teenagers and young children in Ireland now than there has been in a long time.

Azlan, you're better off moving to an off-shore island to escape the scum that they will all grow to be!

jmcc

joe25 wrote: »

Stay away from Ardkeen village and viewmount and maybe a few more areas out that side of the town.
Ok now but in a few years time all the kids out there will be older and the estates will be full of scum.

older estates in waterford went through all this and are becoming quieter now.

Just how old do you think Viewmount is, kid?

Regards...jmcc

joe25

I Just Posted about the dunmore area to see how the People living in the so called "south side" of the city would react.
Its always people saying stay away from lisduggan,ballybeg etc and no one backs up these estates but as soon as you mention the dunmore road areas there are alot of people waiting to defend it.
It makes me sick as most of the people that are saying stay away from lisduggan,ballybeg used to live there but now they have a few euro it has gone to there head.
its amazing what a few euro does to some people.

Quigs Snr

Joe, thats not totally true. The OP asked for places in Waterford to Rent or buy and frankly ballybeg and co are not prudent investments and never have been. That said they go cheap, but you just cannot shift them on the resale market either. With very few exceptions anyplace that is a council estate or was one is bad news in that respect and I am sure its the same in most cities around the country. Having lived in Priory Lawn, Farran Park and St Herblain as a child I am pretty familiar with the areas and would not go back there now to live, sure there were great people, real people, but there were bad eggs too, some very bad eggs, Waterfords worst you could say in some instances. That said I owe a lot to these people, if anything living in those places motivated me to work my socks off in school and get to where I am today.

As mentioned previously the court pages in the Munster Express reveal a lot, and yes, it is a case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch, but when it comes to property value and perceived living standards perception is reality. Thats why all these new estates are marketed so heavily and come with trumped up poncy sounding names and taglines e.g. "Country Living, City Location" and all that crack.

ROCKMAN

joe25 wrote: »

I Just Posted about the dunmore area to see how the People living in the so called "south side" of the city would react.
Its always people saying stay away from lisduggan,ballybeg etc and no one backs up these estates but as soon as you mention the dunmore road areas there are alot of people waiting to defend it.
It makes me sick as most of the people that are saying stay away from lisduggan,ballybeg used to live there but now they have a few euro it has gone to there head.
its amazing what a few euro does to some people.

Hmmm read post 10

jmcc

joe25 wrote: »

I Just Posted about the dunmore area to see how the People living in the so called "south side" of the city would react.

Viewmount is actually older than many of the estates around Waterford. It was built in the late 1960s. Some of the other estates around the Dunmore Road are more recent (Powerscourt, Earlscourt etc). I've never heard this area being referred to as the "South Side". Some people might like to talk up their area or the value of their investment. But there are good and bad people in all areas. As for Viewmount, I suppose I'd be old school more so than any other posters here.

Regards...jmcc

mike65

Viewmount was the first large estate on the Dunmore road, much of the land along there belonged to the Earl family and they held out until the late 70s/early 80s as far as I recall then the building boom began in earnest.

In terms of perception, east is best in Waterford.

Mike.

deisemum

I'm not from Waterford but when we were buying our place some of the neighbours told us that Viewmount was the first estate in Waterford.

We like where we live, like our neighbours and it's very convenient for shops, hospital, bus, school bus etc.

We have encountered quite a bit of snobbery from some people living in other housing estates along the Dunmore Road who look down on Viewmount but that's their problem.

As a mother of a 12 year old I do worry about the lack of facilities for teenagers, also the gangs that hang around places such as Ballinakill shopping centre, some of whom have been intimidating customers or causing damage. I think the youth place near Leisurezone has opened.

I also thing when some people see a few teenagers together they automatically assume they're all causing trouble.

I have heard some people say that due to the amount of houses along the dunmore road is like a powder keg that's about to go off.

deisemum

It's only in the last year or two that I heard anything about east, west, north or south Waterford. The first I heard was when the Bank near The Three Shippes was opening as saw them refering to it being in the west end of Waterford.

So where exactly are people talking about with they say north, south, east or west Waterford?

mike65

Viewmount was the Mercedes Benz of Waterford now its the Ford Focus.

Mike.

jmcc

deisemum wrote: »

We have encountered quite a bit of snobbery from some people living in other housing estates along the Dunmore Road who look down on Viewmount but that's their problem.

Fascinating. If you want to upset them - ask them what schools they attended and listen closely to their accents.

Regards...jmcc

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Minority make it seem bad , I have friends in Lisduggan Balybeg and Johns park and all are good people and have no problem . Just decide yourself .. This thread will take a totally different swing after the comments .. Dominos came on fckin bikes at the start and teenagers were robbin the pizzas in ballybeg what do they expect . Give them a car . I also feel sorry for some residents in these areas who are tarnished with the same brush ...

As for templars hall i would def avoid there its like Ibiza at night after the clubs during the student week , Even the haltin site seems a better option then there ..And as they know /..ITS ONLY A STONE THROW AWAY

BIG-SLICK-POKER

mike65 wrote: »

Viewmount was the Mercedes Benz of Waterford now its the Ford Focus.

Mike.

Mercs are overated

deisemum

mike65 wrote: »

Viewmount was the Mercedes Benz of Waterford now its the Ford Focus.

Mike.

rofl

jmcc

mike65 wrote: »

Viewmount was the Mercedes Benz of Waterford now its the Ford Focus.

I don't know what you mean. Hang on and I'll ask my chauffeur.

Regards...jmcc

c-lion

|.Murderer.| wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but because of the Celtic Tiger, people could afford to have tonnes of children and spoil them! There's more teenagers and young children in Ireland now than there has been in a long time.

Azlan, you're better off moving to an off-shore island to escape the scum that they will all grow to be!

Long before the coming of The Celtic Tiger, folks had tons (tonnes) of children but they were not the threat that kids seem to be now. Is it that with the coming of wealth and the threat of hunger removed, you have lost your way and are in danger of becoming decadent as the Bible warns against?

Freddie59

deisemum wrote: »

I'm not from Waterford but when we were buying our place some of the neighbours told us that Viewmount was the first estate in Waterford.

We like where we live, like our neighbours and it's very convenient for shops, hospital, bus, school bus etc.

We have encountered quite a bit of snobbery from some people living in other housing estates along the Dunmore Road who look down on Viewmount but that's their problem.

As a mother of a 12 year old I do worry about the lack of facilities for teenagers, also the gangs that hang around places such as Ballinakill shopping centre, some of whom have been intimidating customers or causing damage. I think the youth place near Leisurezone has opened.

I also thing when some people see a few teenagers together they automatically assume they're all causing trouble.

I have heard some people say that due to the amount of houses along the dunmore road is like a powder keg that's about to go off.

That tends to happen out there alright. And many of them come from places like where I was reared (Upper City) but quickly forget their roots.:rolleyes:

Regarding your description of the surrounds where you live that could be anywhere in Waterford - including where I live. Amazingly, some people consider themselves to be 'middle class':rolleyes: when they move to the general Dunmore Road area. I live in a private estate but consider myself working class. Does a 'middle class' actually EXIST in Ireland?:eek:

Freddie59

deisemum wrote: »

We have encountered quite a bit of snobbery from some people living in other housing estates along the Dunmore Road who look down on Viewmount but that's their problem.

Again I quote my late mother:

A penny looking down on two ha'pennies.:)

Asmodean

to escape the scum that they will all grow to be!

Bit of a sweeping generalisation I think!

AdMMM

Was meant in jest, I can assure you.

redfacedbear

I always said that if I had to live in Waterford I would like Ballybricken - literally a stones throw from the city centre but with a villagey atmosphere, a bit like Ranelagh or Rathmines for Dublin.

My perception of Ballybeg was that the serious anti-social elements were concentrated in Clonard/Ardmore and that the Ballybeg parts (Ballybeg Court/Road/Square) and to a lesser extent Priory Lawn had somewhat stabilised as the glut of children had grown up and moved on. Perhaps I'm wrong.

deisemum

Freddie59 wrote: »

Again I quote my late mother:

A penny looking down on two ha'pennies.:)

She was a wise woman

Some of the accents are something else and it's amusing to see how it reverts to normal as more alcohol is consumed

A lot of them are in serious debt trying to get a bigger house, latest car, all the latest gadgets etc. I wouldn't like that hanging over me. They know the price of everything but the value of nothing. Fortunately there are a lot of normal level headed people as well.

If you really want to see competition at it's best then the place to be is outside a big primary school at drop off or collection times. Some noses are so far up in the air they're up the ar*e of God.

Some will not let their children play with other children that don't come from a family where the parents are of certain professions.

Asmodean

Ah I understand about the scum comment, i was just pulling your leg. Well I've lived in a good few places in Waterford. Stephen street, Ferrybank, Earls court and I'm in killure manor now. Must say I preffered Ferrybank the most if ya can get over all the kk snobbery! lol Never bought into the whole border dispute thing myself. But anyway i left fbank about 2 years ago. It wasn't too bad then but with all the major new developments going on there atm I'm not sure what it's like now. I really liked it though.

Irish75

mike65 wrote: »

Avoid if possible Ballybeg, Kilcohan Park/St Herblain, Tycor, Lisduggan, Lismore Lawn area (students, unless things have changed) that said where you do go rather depends on transport and such like I'd have thought.

If you want a decent idea buy the Munster Express after the district court sits and you'll get the low-down!

Mike.

I've lived in ballybeg all my life and it is not as bad as everyone say's yes they are people there that are not that good but in what place is there not so dont listen to everything you hear Ballybeg is not bad at all

ec18

do you have to move to waterford??

AlphaMale 3OO

Irish75 wrote: »

I've lived in ballybeg all my life and it is not as bad as everyone say's yes they are people there that are not that good but in what place is there not so dont listen to everything you hear Ballybeg is not bad at all

It's probably the worst in Waterford for anti-social behaviour. And if somebody was moving to Waterford the advice being given to them here is to steer clear. There are good people there. There are also idiots there who decide to ruin the name of the place for everyone. If I was moving to Waterford I just wouldn't want the added risk of living in Ballybeg. But it has to be said anti-social behaviour happens everywhere.

BillyBobWinters

First post - been reading but a virgin "Poster" on this website. Dont know why anyone has not mentioned Collins Avenue - i love living there.:)

stick-dan

Templars get a lot of the flack too but i live there and have not been robbed,stabbed,abused yet, well at least not without starting it first

Ri na hEireann

I moved from the top of the town as I call it about 5 years ago to Riverview on the Dunmore Rd. There was no snobbery in the move, myself and my family had been living there all our lives but we were fed up with the degenerated feel of the area.
I know people will defend Ballybeg and similar estates and rightfully so...It's a minority causing the image but unfortunately its a rather vociferous minority.

I found it particulary hard to feel safe. Our house was broken into twice and the car once or twice too. My neighbours were possibly the nicest people I've ever met but there was also some serious antisocial behaviour and it was moreso the adults in their early 20's rather than the teenagers.

Living out here is a different life though. All for the better. Everything feels much safer and merrier so to speak. Its probably because Riverview is really on the periphery of the dunmore rod. Like I'd have no problem walking around these street late on a Saturday night where as on my old street I wouldn't have dreamt of it.

run_Forrest_run

yep, Riverview is nice, I lived around there and it is a nice healthy walk into Ardkeen or just a short spin on the bus..very handy.
I see Viewmount is getting some flack, I actually like Viewmount, the houses along the first few rows are fine houses, well built and all.

yep, there are little scumbags everywhere, new money eh :rolleyes:

deisemum

There hasn't been too much trouble in Viewmount, mainly young ones drinking and setting the bins of unoccupied houses on fire not forgetting the camper van arson but the regular meeting spot is getting a makeover and will be very well lit up and have intelligence cameras etc so that should move them on somewhere else.

There's a lot of loutish carry on down by the river and I've heard that certain councillors have gone down there at night to plead with the troublemakers to stop their carry ons.

somebaldyfela

deisemum wrote: »

There hasn't been too much trouble in Viewmount, mainly young ones drinking and setting the bins of unoccupied houses on fire not forgetting the camper van arson but the regular meeting spot is getting a makeover and will be very well lit up and have intelligence cameras etc so that should move them on somewhere else.

There's a lot of loutish carry on down by the river and I've heard that certain councillors have gone down there at night to plead with the troublemakers to stop their carry ons.

Where by the river?