Team: Dead Man's Hand

Hivemind187

Right folks,

I want to put together a side project team with a focus on getting a lot of MilSim action in and a view towards international events (time and cash permitting).

The basic principals of the team would be;

All kit must use the same magazines (mid-caps and lo-caps only)
All members wear the same camo colours and uniform.
Everyone has a comms kit to communicate to the team leaders.
The team is divided into fire teams of five and sniper teams of two with a single HQ team (number permitting).
The focus is on Woodland (hopefully) and on close-assault/Fibua tactics (bunkers, busses, streets etc) but maintaining a well rounded approach.
Team members wear the Dead Man's Hand insignia.

Ideally (when the weather gets a bit better and I can figure out hte rest of the logisitcs involved) Dead Man's Hand will meet at least once a week to Skirmish at a different one of the venues in Ireland cycling through each of them in turn and developing a diverse experience of terrain etc.

Should the team get good enough we can start hitting foreign events and maybe make a name for ourselves.

Who's in?

(P.s. This is nothing to do with the IAA directly and my standing as the Vice-Chairman and a member of the Mag Wombles is not connected in anyway to this project - though I would prefer to only deal with IAA members).

Shiva

French Centre Europe

If "When the weather gets better" means next Spring, I'd be interested.
I should be better able to manage some free time once a week by then.

At the moment though, I couldn't commit to once a week.

defenderdude

Other (please specify)

I'd love to throw my name in the ring. I'm not sure if I'd be good enough/too old but willing to give it all I can - possible excuse to buy more gear :Dyeaaaaaaaa:D:D

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Next Spring would be about the length of time I will need to get things into full swing, plus which I have no intention of trying to herd airsofters in this weather beyond the efforts I'm already putting in. Right now Dead Mans Hand is two things, a work in progress and an 'effin sweet name I couldnt let someone else get

As for age - HA! - most of the lads I know are into MilSim are physical wrecks anyway so a bit of experience isnt exactly a drawback

Very happy to team up with any folk who are prepared to really give proper MilSIm a go

(am I using too many smileys? Its probably because I am warm for the first time today).

Boston

French Centre Europe

Shiva wrote: »

If "When the weather gets better" means next Spring, I'd be interested.
I should be better able to manage some free time once a week by then.

At the moment though, I couldn't commit to once a week.

What he said/

Shiva

French Centre Europe

Hivemind187 wrote: »

...and an 'effin sweet name I couldnt let someone else get

Thats how Eirsoft came about.

"Hmmm...Eirsoft...cool name for an Irish Airsoft store"
*pause*
"F**k....I can't leave that for someone else to think of !"


Count me in then.

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

TBH I couldnt do once a week myself right now, especially since I may be unemployed for a while. Like I said, this si a "project" right now. If there is enough interest I will certainly put in the ground work and effort to make it happen though.

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Shiva wrote: »

Thats how Eirsoft came about.

"Hmmm...Eirsoft...cool name for an Irish Airsoft store"
*pause*
"F**k....I can't leave that for someone else to think of !"


Count me in then.

YAY thats one anyway

zero19

French Centre Europe

I'd love this but i haven't even skirmished yet and am poor lol

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

By the way, I'm open to suggestions on the kit front.

I was thinking Brit DPM because it suits a wide variety of Irish and Northern European terrain and M-series kit (M4, M16 etc) or at least kit that takes the M-series stanag mag (everyone using the same mags lets folks share ammo).

Anyone think of any other arrangements that would work better?

Sam_Fisher_jk

Other (please specify)

armaite series weapons have the most versatile mags (scars, m249's, sa 80, etc) so i suggest you use them

central european camo, like the french woodland stuff, fairly good stuff. see if ambro can sort something out for ya.. if not the polish army stuff is quite nice.

as for webbing/vests.. id lat that one go personal pref. some people like chest rigs, some like LCE, some like vests.... once its a similar colour then it should be no harm.

Hivemind187 wrote: »

By the way, I'm open to suggestions on the kit front.

I was thinking Brit DPM because it suits a wide variety of Irish and Northern European terrain and M-series kit (M4, M16 etc) or at least kit that takes the M-series stanag mag (everyone using the same mags lets folks share ammo).

Anyone think of any other arrangements that would work better?

[--SC(+)PE--]

Its a good idea Hive. Would love a bit of Milsim.
Obviously the fact that im the other end of the country would make it quite difficult for myself to join but im sure ye will need some OPFOR's which id be more then happy to be a part off.

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Thanks Sam,

Thats what I figured on the M-series mags. About the camo though, whats your take on the digital patterns in terms of blending in with their backgrounds?

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

[--SC(+)PE--] wrote: »

Its a good idea Hive. Would love a bit of Milsim.
Obviously the fact that im the other end of the country would make it quite difficult for myself to join but im sure ye will need some OPFOR's which id be more then happy to be a part off.

Joint Task Force Airsoft? sounds like fun.

The point behind Dead Mans Hand is to get some miles clocked up. Bascially we move from one venue to another covering the country so depending on the week thats in it it would mean more or less travel for different people.

That said though, idealy getting up to a decent level of competence would be kind of important before turning up at other venues and potentially embarassing ourselves

zero19

French Centre Europe

Found this, seems like a good deal on soldier 95 gear! http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr177.html i might get some...

Sam_Fisher_jk

Other (please specify)

well contary to popular belif in the airsoft comunity ACU does work...... the yanks dont spend a couple of million developing a new unform that doesnt work.

but since thats kinda a trademark of a team in existance then i could suggest MARPAT or CADPAT as a good alternative, MARPAT being just woodland in digital format. that seems to work. but then again olive green also works just as well. blending in with the enviroment is a hard job. if your gona depend on your uniform alone then your gona be seen, and if you can be seen you will be shot.

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Thanks Sam,

Thats what I figured on the M-series mags. About the camo though, whats your take on the digital patterns in terms of blending in with their backgrounds?

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

zero19 wrote: »

Found this, seems like a good deal on soldier 95 gear! http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr177.html i might get some...

Actually thats a great deal.

Alvin T. Grey

Ah well, it sounded like a great idea.

Then someone mentioned Armalites.........:D

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Alvin T. Grey wrote: »

Ah well, it sounded like a great idea.

Then someone mentioned Armalites.........:D

... this is 'cause I shot you earlier isnt it?

And you have a Dboys M4!!!

Alvin T. Grey

I Had an M4. I pawned it off on the young lad first chance I got.;)

Gatling

British Soldier 95 DPM

count me in , when& where

defenderdude

Other (please specify)

zero19 wrote: »

Found this, seems like a good deal on soldier 95 gear! http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr177.html i might get some...

Nice find Zero. I wonder how much for postage to Ireland - and if we bulk ordered...

£20 for the 3 pieces:eek: Seems amazingly cheap!:D
Some webbing there too -
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr484.html

Dave D

zero19 wrote: »

Found this, seems like a good deal on soldier 95 gear! http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr177.html i might get some...

They seem to have the exact same kit here
for £15

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Sam_Fisher_jk wrote: »

well contary to popular belif in the airsoft comunity ACU does work...... the yanks dont spend a couple of million developing a new unform that doesnt work.

but since thats kinda a trademark of a team in existance then i could suggest MARPAT or CADPAT as a good alternative, MARPAT being just woodland in digital format. that seems to work. but then again olive green also works just as well. blending in with the enviroment is a hard job. if your gona depend on your uniform alone then your gona be seen, and if you can be seen you will be shot.

I've been looking very carefully at both CADPAT and MARPAT and from what I can tell CADPAT suits our climate a little better (predominance of coniferous trees). However, I wont be getting the group to relay solely on the uniform - this is MilSim, I plan on getting mucky

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Dave D wrote: »

They seem to have the exact same kit here
for £15

Its a lower quality version. More heavily used I think.

Gatling

British Soldier 95 DPM

id almost say go with us woodland as we already have the contractors wearing the british camo, or even all black sas style

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Gatling wrote: »

count me in , when& where

HRTA to begin with. Get the basics of movement, concealment, assault, teamwork etc up to a competent level while figuring out which kit works best etc before chartering a bus or a a convoy of cars and hitting one of the other venues.

Gatling

British Soldier 95 DPM

as i said count me in,

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Gatling wrote: »

id almost say go with us woodland as we already have the contractors wearing the british camo, or even all black sas style

All black is really only for CQB assaults into buildings and busses etc. Out in the field you really standout because black is percieved by the brain as depth and great big holes in the scenary are fairly noticeable.

Trouble with US woodland, while its a great pattern, its a bit too broadleaf for Ireland. The US vegetation is dramatically different to Irelands, hence why I was thinking about CADPAT.

... I'm just worried about developing the accent along with it eh?

defenderdude

Other (please specify)

CADPAT looks the business however it doesnt seem inexpensive or too easy to get from what I can see. (maybe I'm just not looking in the right places)

That said - I have a load of relations in Canada (some in the forces) and could probably do some digging to see what's available if needed.

As Sam F said - the French or Polish uniforms (or something European) can look the business also and may be easier to get?:)

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

defenderdude wrote: »

CADPAT looks the business however it doesnt seem inexpensive or too easy to get from what I can see. (maybe I'm just not looking in the right places)

That said - I have a load of relations in Canada (some in the forces) and could probably do some digging to see what's available if needed.

As Sam F said - the French or Polish uniforms (or something European) can look the business also and may be easier to get?:)

From what I can find CADPAT isnt hard to get but it is expensive by comparison to the Soldier 95 kit.

Further the selection of Soldier 95 stuff includes the wet & cold weather gear that is indispensible here.

It is, however, worth having one or two different uniforms to cover various different terrains.

defenderdude

Other (please specify)

Hivemind187 wrote: »

From what I can find CADPAT isnt hard to get but it is expensive by comparison to the Soldier 95 kit.

Further the selection of Soldier 95 stuff includes the wet & cold weather gear that is indispensible here.

It is, however, worth having one or two different uniforms to cover various different terrains.

Cool:D I was mainly looking on grEedBay and there didnt seem alot, or else it didnt seem great quality for alot of $$.
I'll do some more digging...

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Yeah, its looking like we may have to look at MARPAT instead since its cheap, available and should work both in Ireland and abroad.

We do want something we can use for dry and dusty areas as well as green, verdant ones.

Alvin T. Grey

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Yeah, its looking like we may have to look at MARPAT instead since its cheap, available and should work both in Ireland and abroad.

We do want something we can use for dry and dusty areas as well as green, verdant ones.

So does 'Verdant' mean 'Cold, wet, and depressing'????

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Alvin T. Grey wrote: »

So does 'Verdant' mean 'Cold, wet, and depressing'????

I was trying to be "glass half full"

hoplite

Cheap Danish Camo

http://www.waffenostheimer.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_221&products_id=1934

Was thinking of getting some myself at the price

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

hoplite wrote: »

Cheap Danish Camo

http://www.waffenostheimer.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_221&products_id=1934

Was thinking of getting some myself at the price

Niiiice ... might make a good substitute for CADPAT.

defenderdude

Other (please specify)

hoplite wrote: »

Cheap Danish Camo

http://www.waffenostheimer.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_221&products_id=1934

Was thinking of getting some myself at the price

Looks very nice - different too!
Good find m8!

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

defenderdude wrote: »

Looks very nice - different too!
Good find m8!

And it looks like it would be easy enough to Kryon up the guns too.

Gatling

British Soldier 95 DPM

that looks cool .and affordable

andros

British Soldier 95 DPM

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Right folks,

I want to put together a side project team with a focus on getting a lot of MilSim action in and a view towards international events (time and cash permitting).

The basic principals of the team would be;

All kit must use the same magazines (mid-caps and lo-caps only)
All members wear the same camo colours and uniform.
Everyone has a comms kit to communicate to the team leaders.
The team is divided into fire teams of five and sniper teams of two with a single HQ team (number permitting).
The focus is on Woodland (hopefully) and on close-assault/Fibua tactics (bunkers, busses, streets etc) but maintaining a well rounded approach.
Team members wear the Dead Man's Hand insignia.

Ideally (when the weather gets a bit better and I can figure out hte rest of the logisitcs involved) Dead Man's Hand will meet at least once a week to Skirmish at a different one of the venues in Ireland cycling through each of them in turn and developing a diverse experience of terrain etc.

Should the team get good enough we can start hitting foreign events and maybe make a name for ourselves.

Who's in?

(P.s. This is nothing to do with the IAA directly and my standing as the Vice-Chairman and a member of the Mag Wombles is not connected in anyway to this project - though I would prefer to only deal with IAA members).

You need one-man-assult-team, just point me where to shoot. Nice project. I love nice projects.

Count me in.

Harekin

French Centre Europe

Count me in for this, but I do like my new AUG...

Kaos Theory

I'd be interested in this. Hive, remind me to have a chat with you at the AGM.

Kaos

JohnReisman

US Woodland Tricolor

I'm in.

NakedDex

MARPAT (USMC digital woodland)

I would like to do something like this in the new year but I would like to know the structure of it. I've done a lot of practical training and theory reading on fibua but my field work (beyond marksman) is limited.

MilSim is right up my alley though, I would like to have a proper chat about it though

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

I am thinking that this makes the most sense, but do feel free to tell me otherwise if you see fit.

6 man squads (LRRP, woodland, open terrain etc);

Squad Captain (1 i/c), Squad Sergent (2 i/c), 4 Corporals

Each team should be loaded out with the following

Rifleman/Captain (Top)
- Main comms relaying to the other squads/HQ
- Binoculars
- Carbine Rifle (M4 variant, L85, Scar L etc)
- Side arm
- 1 BB Shower Grenades for Grenadier
- 700 Rounds in 7 mags for rifle + 100 rounds in 5(?) mags for pistol

Grenadier
- Comms linked to squad members and Captain
- Standard Rifle (M16/15 etc)
- M203 style or variant Grenade Launcher
- Side arm
- 6 BB Shower Grenades
- 700 Rounds in 7 Mags for Rifle + 100 Rounds in 5(?) Mags for Pistol

Marksman
- Comms linked to squad members and Captain
- Semi-Auto Special Purpose Rifle/DMR with mag-well for the same kit
- Spotting Scope
- Side Arm
- 1 BB Shower Grenade for Grenadier
- 700 Rounds in 7 Mags for Rifle + 100 rounds in 5(?) Mags for Pistol

Support
- Comms linked to squad members and Captain
- M249 Minimi/Para
- Side Arm
- 1 BB Shower Grenade for Grenadier
- 2000-3000 Rounds in 2 Box/C Mags + 100 Rounds 5(?) Mags for Pistol

Rifleman (3)
- Comms linked to squad members and Captain
- Standard Rifle/Carbine (M4/M16, L85 etc)
- Side Arm
- BB Shower Grenade for Grenadier
- Claymore & Remote
- 700 Rounds in 7 mags + 100 Rounds in 5(?) mags for pistol

Or for CQB and close assault

Standard loadout of MP5 (P90?), Side arm and all black kit. Marksman swaps out his semi-auto for a bolt-action.

No idea about pyro's abroad. Chances are its best to make that decision on the ground on the day than to have a standard loadout other than a marker smoke carried by the captain and a single frag each.

The Command structure should probably work along the lines of HQ Squad (command and control) communicating to the forward units co-ordinating the borad strategy while the squad captains take the tactical approach (if there are enough bodies, otherrwise the team should add or subtract riflemen)

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Added a Multiple choice poll for the camouflage decision

Gatling

British Soldier 95 DPM

M4 and P90 makes me happy as for camo Danish or and canadian

Hivemind187

French Centre Europe

Gatling: Of course the P90 and M4 set up suits you, they're the only ones you've got

Gatling

British Soldier 95 DPM

bitch

NakedDex

MARPAT (USMC digital woodland)

Yeah I like the sound of that. Clearly some thought went into it so well done there hivemind. I would be very interested in it and I've been toying with the idea of an SPR for some time anyway so possibly going marksman on this would give me a good reason to.

Speaking of which, would the marksman be used as an advanced recon unit where applicable. Having a unit out front (be they a one or two man team) not engaging but relaying info could be something to think about training in too. I've been in squads in the past who performed a two position flank by being guided in by an advanced scout.