The Angelus

wazzoraybelle

I work mostly at night and so am home in a remote place during the day with the radio on. The angelus has caught my attention recently because of the cars in the backround. It reminded me of my youth when travelling to kerry with my aunts who broke into the rosary for the next hour.

I'm wondering if people still observe this ritual and if its still important issue for people that radio 1/rte continue to broadcast it. I'm personally not a believer but don't have a strong opinion about it.

Run_to_da_hills

I dont bother with it myself and usually look at as an oppertunity to grab a cup of tea before the news. I think Telifis Eireann now use it as a time of reflection and prayre for all religions hence the removal of RC images. My elderly parents (former Catholic) still use it as a time to pray, more so out of habit. Personally I see no harm in having it.

wazzoraybelle

As I was growing up my parents would make an effort every six months or so to get the family to pray at the angelus. It was during the 'the family that prays together stays together' years. It would always fall apart after a week or two though, especially if there was anything on the telly that remotely interested my da.

PDN

Always reminds me of Pink Floyd.

Far away across the fields
The tolling of an iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells
(from The Dark Side of the Moon album)

wazzoraybelle

There's just no topping the floyd

kelly1

wazzoraybelle wrote: »

There's just no topping the floyd

I'm with you on that one!

Getting back to the main point, I'd hate to see the Angelus go and I'll be writting a stiff letter to RTE if they do give it the chop.

Is there no limit to the spread of secularism?! God have mercy on us.

philologos

kelly1 wrote: »

I'm with you on that one!

Getting back to the main point, I'd hate to see the Angelus go and I'll be writting a stiff letter to RTE if they do give it the chop.

Is there no limit to the spread of secularism?! God have mercy on us.

I agree with you there Noel.

kelly1

kelly1 wrote: »

I'm with you on that one!

Getting back to the main point, I'd hate to see the Angelus go and I'll be writting a stiff letter to RTE if they do give it the chop.

Is there no limit to the spread of secularism?! God have mercy on us.

What? You need a tv to pray?

philologos

bluewolf wrote: »

What? You need a tv to pray?

it's the loss of a Christian tradition to secularism that's the point behind it, if it were to go.

Jakkass

Jakkass wrote: »

it's the loss of a Christian tradition to secularism that's the point behind it, if it were to go.

Christianity coped without television for years though

philologos

It'd be the same as removing the televised church services.

Agent J

You know more than anything i wish RTE would stop attempting to call it what its not.

They want to call it a catholic/christian thing.. Fine.Not thrilled about it and there should be others on as well but dont call it a time for all people of all faiths(When they really mean christian faith) to pray or reflect.

Or that bloody prayer at bed time...


RTE is the state broadcaster right?
Constitution says something about not endowing any particular religion right?

Run_to_da_hills

There was an invention made back in the 70ies for the likes of those that had any reservations about the Angelus. Its called the remote control.

gillyfromlyre

I'd always say a prayer if I can, I mean if you can spare some time to listen to half an hour of fianna fail corruption which normally follows it, the least you can do is say a few prayers

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There was an invention made back in the 70ies for the likes of those that had any reservations about the Angelus. Its called the remote control.

Way before that, there was a type of place made for people to go pray, it was called a church.

Run_to_da_hills

bluewolf wrote: »

Way before that, there was a type of place made for people to go pray, it was called a church.

Way before the "Churches" were built the deciples would meet and pray in the "upper rooms" of private houses.

kelly1

bluewolf wrote: »

What? You need a tv to pray?

I never get to see it on TV, I only hear it on the radio. The television version is a joke - way too PC, afraid to offend other religions blah blah...

Run_to_da_hills

Heres a download version of it also as Gaeilge for those that want on their pc. Its a bit tacky, sounds more like the Chime clock on Easons of O Connell st! http://www.irishpage.com/prayers/angelus.htm

philologos

Agent J wrote:

Constitution says something about not endowing any particular religion right?

Theres something in there about recognising the special tradition of the Catholic Churuch. Not that I have a problem with it, I'd prefer if it was changed to the special tradition of the Christian Church.

The Chessplayer

wazzoraybelle wrote: »

I work mostly at night and so am home in a remote place during the day with the radio on. The angelus has caught my attention recently because of the cars in the backround. It reminded me of my youth when travelling to kerry with my aunts who broke into the rosary for the next hour.

I'm wondering if people still observe this ritual and if its still important issue for people that radio 1/rte continue to broadcast it. I'm personally not a believer but don't have a strong opinion about it.

The Angelus is my favourite show on both television and radio.

toiletduck

The Angelus is my favourite show on both television and radio.

The script writing has gone to hell recently though.

My Mum and dad still say it every day, as do my grannies.

I have to laugh at the people giving out about it if it were to go, I mean whatever new age crap they've tried to make it out to be in recent years it is still specific to one religion and it's somewhat ludicrous that the state tv station should endorse it.

Reading some comments, how about we change it so that every day at 12 and 6, a Pink Floyd song is played on the radio and tv?

Agent J

Article 44 of the constitution says the state shouldnt be doing it

I object to paying a TV licence anyway.

If it was really for all relgions then why does it have to be on a 6?
Why the particular order of the bells?
Why call it the angelus?

If they really think it is a "time to pray for all religions" then why the hell not move it to a different time?

Why not 5 times a day with a reminder which way to be facing?

Run_to_da_hills

Count ourselves lucky that we are not forced to put up with someone chanting 24/7 and have our lives put in Jeopardy for something as trivial as nicknaming a childs teddybear!.

The Chessplayer

Agent J wrote: »

Article 44 of the constitution says the state shouldnt be doing it

I object to paying a TV licence anyway.

If it was really for all relgions then why does it have to be on a 6?
Why the particular order of the bells?
Why call it the angelus?

If they really think it is a "time to pray for all religions" then why the hell not move it to a different time?

Why not 5 times a day with a reminder which way to be facing?

I like it - it's a surreal moment. It shakes the office everyday at 12, harking back to the medieval era as we tap away at our keyboards.

I'd actually like to see you get a job in my office just so I could blast the volume up everyday at noon and subject you to this ordeal.

Sangre

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There was an invention made back in the 70ies for the likes of those that had any reservations about the Angelus. Its called the remote control.

Shall I assume then you'd be against any form of censorship on TV as people can always turns off what offends them?

Run_to_da_hills

Sangre wrote: »

Shall I assume then you'd be against any form of censorship on TV as people can always turns off what offends them?

I would not classify the Angelus as obscene, vulgar, or highly objectionable material.

Sangre

Of course you wouldn't. However that completely misses my point. Others may find it highly objectionable, perhaps secularists of those or other faiths. Since you feel they need only flick over if its on would you extend the same courtesy to them and allow them to view whatever they wished, even if you yourself found it extremely offensive? After all, you could just use the remote.

Run_to_da_hills

Sangre wrote: »

Of course you wouldn't. However that completely misses my point. Others may find it highly objectionable, perhaps secularists of those or other faiths. Since you feel they need only flick over if its on would you extend the same courtesy to them and allow them to view whatever they wished, even if you yourself found it extremely offensive? After all, you could just use the remote.

The secularists can be reminded of their favourite pop groups during that time, ie Metallica "For whom the bell tolls" or AC/DC "Hells bells".

Sangre

So you're not going to answer by question then?

Splendour

Sangre wrote: »

Of course you wouldn't. However that completely misses my point. Others may find it highly objectionable, perhaps secularists of those or other faiths. Since you feel they need only flick over if its on would you extend the same courtesy to them and allow them to view whatever they wished, even if you yourself found it extremely offensive? After all, you could just use the remote.

Given that we live in a mostly Catholic country, I don't see a big objection to the Angelus. If I were to find it offensive (which I don't), I could simply turn it off. The Angelus is something I don't need to protect my kids from if they are in the room. or something to be embarrassed about either.

If I am on the continent in an hotel room and some porn station comes on when I flick with the remote, I have the same choice-on or off...

If I am in a Muslim country and the call comes over the loadspeaker for prayer-I have no choice whether to turn it on or off.

We live in Ireland,the Angelus comes on at six. Get used to it or buy yourself a bag of lego and build a bridge...

Run_to_da_hills

Splendour wrote: »

If I am in a Muslim country and the call comes over the loadspeaker for prayer-I have no choice whether to turn it on or off.

Thats why Walkmanns were invented

Sangre

Splendour wrote: »

Given that we live in a mostly Catholic country, I don't see a big objection to the Angelus. If I were to find it offensive (which I don't), I could simply turn it off. The Angelus is something I don't need to protect my kids from if they are in the room. or something to be embarrassed about either.

If I am on the continent in an hotel room and some porn station comes on when I flick with the remote, I have the same choice-on or off...

If I am in a Muslim country and the call comes over the loadspeaker for prayer-I have no choice whether to turn it on or off.

We live in Ireland,the Angelus comes on at six. Get used to it or buy yourself a bag of lego and build a bridge...

Well I have no problem with it. My question was relating to run to da hills comment that if some one doesn't it like it they can just turn it off. I was simply wondering if that attitude applied to all TV broadcasts include violence, sex, drugs and immoral behaviour. If we don't like it can we turn it off.

If Runtodahills found something extremely offensive on TV would he happy to let it be broadcasted as he can just turn it off.

You seem to think so as you aren't looking to ban porn from the continental tv.

Splendour

Sangre wrote: »

Well I have no problem with it. My question was relating to run to da hills comment that if some one doesn't it like it they can just turn it off. I was simply wondering if that attitude applied to all TV broadcasts include violence, sex, drugs and immoral behaviour. If we don't like it can we turn it off.

If Runtodahills found something extremely offensive on TV would he happy to let it be broadcasted as he can just turn it off.

You seem to think so as you aren't looking to ban porn from the continental tv.

I think there is a vast difference between the Angelus and programmes which include alot of unnecessary violence and sex. I don't think we can really compare them.

The reason I don't have a problem with continental porn channels is because I don't live there.If I did,and had to live with it day in and out it would be a different matter altogether.

I was in a very well established bookstore recently and was horrified to see porn magazines at the eye level of my 13 year old child. This I did (or tried to do) something about. I complained to the manager. Was I being unrealistic in my demands to have these magazines removed? I don't think so.
If I had a problem with the Angelus and were to complain to RTE about having it removed? Most definitely.

The former complaint is affecting how my child looks upon women/sex and human nature in general.
The latter is a call to reflect in prayer and merely a nuisance.

Michael G

The Angelus on television and the "prayer" at bedtime were filleted long ago to remove any Catholic content. The Angelus pictures and the nicey-nicey prayer at bedtime scripts are entirely secular and chillingly banal. We Catholics would lose nothing if they were dropped, though it is upsetting to think that it would please some people who do not deserve to be pleased in any circumstances.

Run_to_da_hills

Sangre wrote: »

Well I have no problem with it. My question was relating to run to da hills comment that if some one doesn't it like it they can just turn it off. I was simply wondering if that attitude applied to all TV broadcasts include violence, sex, drugs and immoral behaviour. If we don't like it can we turn it off.

If Runtodahills found something extremely offensive on TV would he happy to let it be broadcasted as he can just turn it off.

You seem to think so as you aren't looking to ban porn from the continental tv.

There is a huge difference between flicking through the channels to avoid listening to a few church bells ringing and broadcasting pornography violence and sex. The same breed of people that would watch pornography violence and sex would be the very same breed of people that would bitch on about the Angelus. Look what happened in the States; in 1962 they banned the Bible and common prayer in school. Satan was working overtime, ten years later abortion crept into the country, divorce, murder rates all spiralled. America morally went down the toilet. Ireland is now heading the exact same way.

If you come into this country and you cannot put up with a couple of chimes ringing on the wireless just turn around, drive about two miles down the docks of Dublin, look to the right and there you will find the boat.

Simi

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is a huge difference between flicking through the channels to avoid listening to a few church bells ringing and broadcasting pornography violence and sex. The same breed of people that would watch pornography violence and sex would be the very same breed of people that would bitch on about the Angelus. Look what happened in the States; in 1962 they banned the Bible and common prayer in school. Ten years later abortion crept into the country, divorce, murder rates all spiralled. America morally went down the toilet. Ireland is now heading the exact same way. If you come into this country and you cannot put up with a couple of church bells ringing on the wireless just turn around, drive about two miles down the docks of Dublin, look to the right and there you will find the boat.

Lol! Your posts always crack me up. U really are quite mad . So you're actually suggesting that a lack of prayer in schools was responsible for rising levels of divorce, abortion (just social evolution not necessarily bad things) & murder rates? Right so what your suggesting is that a lack of prayer in schools is responsible for america's problems.

Run_to_da_hills

Simi wrote: »

Lol! Your posts always crack me up. U really are quite mad . So you're actually suggesting that a lack of prayer in schools was responsible for rising levels of divorce, abortion (just social evolution not necessarily bad things) & murder rates? Right so what your suggesting is that a lack of prayer in schools is responsible for america's problems.

Its not just the lack of prayre but also the total abandonment of the word of God that is causing this moral decay. This so called watered down "religious education" thought in most Irish schools to-day is just a class on human morals dressed up with words and names that are found in the Bible.

Splendour

Simi wrote: »

Lol! Your posts always crack me up. U really are quite mad . So you're actually suggesting that a lack of prayer in schools was responsible for rising levels of divorce, abortion (just social evolution not necessarily bad things) & murder rates? Right so what your suggesting is that a lack of prayer in schools is responsible for america's problems.

Social evolution? I suggest we call it social devolution!
Of course abortion/divorce etc. are bad things!

Sangre

Yes, forcing two people who don't love each other together anymore for the rest of their lives is clearly a bad thing. Who cares if they take it out on the kids!

Splendour

Sangre wrote: »

Yes, forcing two people who don't love each other together anymore for the rest of their lives is clearly a bad thing. Who cares if they take it out on the kids!

I left my marraige because my husband was abusive-but I still think divorce is not good. Sometimes unavoidable but not good.

RRTH's is absolutely right in that abandoning God is the cause of moral decay. I'm not saying that Christian folk live moral, drug free, sex before marraige free lives, as we all fall-every day.
Our society is falling apart and people will blame society/the government/their parents, basically anyone without realising the true reason for this devolution!

mox54

the internet has contributed to the general sense of moral decay that exists today together with 24/7 news and so on, the Angelus is unique to Ireland and a constant reminder of who we were and are!!, if some people don't like it, then shut up and don't watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

toiletduck

mox54 wrote: »

the internet has contributed to the general sense of moral decay that exists today together with 24/7 news and so on, the Angelus is unique to Ireland and a constant reminder of who we were and are!!, if some people don't like it, then shut up and don't watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great arguement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Care to address the problems raised by that on the previous page?

mox54

The proposition I am trying to put forward is the huge growth of the internet and new technology, especially new media, has brought the world lot closer and we can now see 24/7 news from all over the world, our sense of being someone is diluted by this and the angelus remains as a constant reminder to us of who we are and were, I personally never get to see it but when it comes on the radio or whatever, I pause for a milisecond with it!!!!!!!, I am NOT saying the Church is good and God is wonderful and all is rosey in the garden, the Angelus for me is unique to Ireland and should remain as is (but updated a bit) whilst the rest of the world goes stark raving mad!!!!!!

philologos

Agent J wrote: »

If it was really for all relgions then why does it have to be on a 6?
Why the particular order of the bells?
Why call it the angelus?

I couldn't care about Article 44, nobody is forced to listen to this. Turn off the TV. Christianity is the majority faith in this country, and hopefully will be for the forseeable future. I'm pretty sure in Islamic countries they do things a lot more in your face than the Angelus at 6 o'clock.

pathway33

Do Protestants say the Angelus?

Zombrex

How do people find these threads?:pac:

homer911

Actually boards.ie seems to feature quite a lot in google.ie webs searches!

To answer the question, no we don't, but we are usually open minded enough not to get upset about it. The move to less overtly Catholic imagery on TV was a big improvement. We can all take time out from our day to pray, it doesnt need to be any specific prayer.

pathway33

homer911 wrote: »

no we don't

Thanks,

Does that include church of ireland 'protestants' because aren't they supposed to be half catholic half protestant?

homer911

pathway33 wrote: »

Thanks,

Does that include church of ireland 'protestants' because aren't they supposed to be half catholic half protestant?

The Church of Ireland is Anglican, and there are various forms of Anglican worship, usually called "High Church" and "Low Church". High Church would have more similarities with Catholic worship, but even they would not "say the Angelus" as you would understand it

LordSutch

homer911 wrote: »

The Church of Ireland is Anglican, and there are various forms of Anglican worship, usually called "High Chuch" and "Low Church". High Church would have more similarities with Roman Catholic worship, but even they would not "say the Angelus" as you would understand it

I have amended the above for you .............

homer911

Sorry, I was too subtle, for me, catholic with a big "C" = Roman Catholic
catholic with a small "c"=universal christian church

even protestants refer to the "holy catholic and apostolic church" (small c)