Grand Canal Dock to Stephen's Green

astrofool

What's the best way to get from Gran Canal Dock (where the DART station is), to the Luas as Stephen's Green?

Best I can find so far is the 45, and get off before it takes a right for the Quays, still leaving a ~15 min walk to the Luas.

troy

Might seem like I'm being smart but walk.

If you are getting the Dart in get off at Pearse and walk from there. If you are living around Grand Canal Dock, it shouldn't take you more than 20 mins or so to walk it.

trellheim

Pearse-SSG < 15 mins [ just ] brisk walking.

Only bicycle or moped would be quicker.

GCD-SSG 25 mins walk [ Mount St Baggot St ]

astrofool

At the moment the way to get there from sandyford is Luas, walk down to College Green, then the 7/45 to Grand Canal Dock, getting back however, the 45 takes a right for the Quays, so it's the walk up Pearse. It's a bit mad that there's no more direct way to get from one city centre spot to another. It's also not the best area to be walking directly from every day.

trellheim

Sandyford->114->Blackrock then Dart to GCD

astrofool

trellheim wrote: »

Sandyford->114->Blackrock then Dart to GCD

The big problem there is that the 114 takes an age getting to the station.

eth0_

astrofool wrote: »

At the moment the way to get there from sandyford is Luas, walk down to College Green, then the 7/45 to Grand Canal Dock, getting back however, the 45 takes a right for the Quays, so it's the walk up Pearse. It's a bit mad that there's no more direct way to get from one city centre spot to another. It's also not the best area to be walking directly from every day.

It's a 20 minute walk if you get off at Charlemont and walk down the canal, I do it every day.

ballooba

I have a similar question to the OP except I'm coming from Ranelagh. I don't feel like walking 20 minutes to and from work every day. Is the only other option to drive or go via city centre?

trellheim

Cycle/Moped/Motorbike. It's flat more or less.

If you absolutely HAD to get public transport 18 bus to Sandymount then a DART

or 48a/44 - Tara St- GCD

This is all a bit "Heath Robinson" though.

astrofool

Thought as much, I guess the bus to blackrock and then DART (and then drive down some days), is about the best option.

masterK

It'll take 15 minutes with a briskish walk, nothing too stressful. Either that or cycle, it's unreal how lazy people are.

loyatemu

if you really don't want to do any walking - Dart to Connolly then 128 bus to Harcourt LUAS

I take your point though - 20 minutes walk is fine if the weather is OK, but in pissing rain along the exposed canal its a bit miserable. Some sort of bus connection between the Dart and the Luas would be desirable.

ballooba

loyatemu wrote: »

I take your point though - 20 minutes walk is fine if the weather is OK, but in pissing rain along the exposed canal its a bit miserable. Some sort of bus connection between the Dart and the Luas would be desirable.

Exactly. It's nothing to do with laziness. There should be a public transport link. I shouldn't have to walk twenty minutes in the dark in the pissing rain. This is not Africa. They build all these offices without a thought for transport links and then they wonder why people drive. Not everyone lives on the Dart line.

penexpers

ballooba wrote: »

Exactly. It's nothing to do with laziness.

Yes, CIE should cater to your every whim. And we wonder why we have problems with global warming.

markpb

penexpers wrote: »

Yes, CIE should cater to your every whim. And we wonder why we have problems with global warming.

Global warming is hardly ballooba's or astrofool's fault if they want someone to provide a public transport link between two public transport networks

ballooba

penexpers wrote: »

Yes, CIE should cater to your every whim. And we wonder why we have problems with global warming.

It's hardly my 'every whim' when the Grand Canal connects the Red Line Luas, Green Line Luas and the Dart. God forbid anyone would want an integrated transport network and routes that go anywhere other than the city centre.

markpb wrote: »

Global warming is hardly ballooba's or astrofool's fault if they want someone to provide a public transport link between two public transport networks

Arguably three seeing as Luas doesn't technically have a network. Don't networks have to be connected?

Prof_V

There was actually a scheme for an orbital bus route on the Circular Roads, which would have provided a link between (inter alia) Rialto Red Line stop, Harcourt Street Green Line stop and Grand Canal Dock, in the 2000 Scott Wilson report on Dublin Bus: http://www.dublinbus.ie/images/about_us/Figure5_3.jpg
However, it wasn't in the more recent network review.

eth0_

SO unbelievably lazy! Get an umbrella if it rains, it's not a bad walk at all, I do it every day to and from work.

marceldesailly

so you want a bus to do this?????

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9530567696623981928,53.339158,-6.236686%3B8972871049240070183,53.339850,-6.260450&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Barrow+St+%4053.339158,+-6.236686&daddr=53.337433,-6.26255&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&sll=53.337767,-6.250706&sspn=0.012069,0.029182&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1

WALK

ballooba

eth0_ wrote: »

SO unbelievably lazy! Get an umbrella if it rains, it's not a bad walk at all, I do it every day to and from work.

SO unbelievably insitutionalised by a bad government and a bad transport operator.

marceldesailly wrote: »

so you want a bus to do this?????

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9530567696623981928,53.339158,-6.236686%3B8972871049240070183,53.339850,-6.260450&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Barrow+St+%4053.339158,+-6.236686&daddr=53.337433,-6.26255&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&sll=53.337767,-6.250706&sspn=0.012069,0.029182&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1

WALK

Actually no, that would be silly. A bus that went from Grand Canal Dock would connect with the Green Line at Charlemount and the Luas there, negating the need to go to Stephen's Green at all. With an integrated system you could do it using one ticket and for the same price as the bus journey. As with most things in this country people aspire to mediocrity in the provision of a transport system. Except this one isn't even mediocre, it's terrible.

Walk? What is this? The 3rd world?

Our transport links should do just that. LINK.

marceldesailly

well yes of course its silly.my point exactly:)!obviosuly with an integrated ticket it would be great but we dont have one of them.but it would be great with a metro and all the rest too but we dont have that either.And thats not my fault or anyone elses who advocates walking a little walk bit.

The question was what is the best way to get from GCD to the green and the answer is by walking.

penexpers

ballooba wrote: »

Walk? What is this? The 3rd world?

Yeah cos walking is such a third world thing to do.

penexpers

Oh and it's not that people aspire to a mediocre transport system, it's that they refuse to fund it through paying higher taxes.

eth0_

HELLO. You are missing the point of this thread - the guy wants to know how to get to the green luas quickly from Grand Canal Dock. The quickest way to do this is to walk or cycle. If there was a bus it would take almost as long as it takes to walk it, the traffic is so crap around this area at peak times.

mikemac

Taxi ftw!

Seriously OP, walk it.
Or if you're lazy, buy a moped. The fastest way around the city and no, you don't get wet if you wear proper gear.

Mopeds, the solution to the traffic problem in Dublin!:)

ballooba

penexpers wrote: »

Yeah cos walking is such a third world thing to do.

Having no option but to walk or drive is a third world situation. Actually in the third world they would have Matatus at least.

penexpers wrote: »

Oh and it's not that people aspire to a mediocre transport system, it's that they refuse to fund it through paying higher taxes.

It wouldn't require higher taxes to redeploy the existing resources in a more efficient manner. It makes no sense to have pretty much every route go through the city centre.

The answer to the OPs question is indeed walk. If our transport systems worked however you would be able to catch a feeder bus (or shock horror the three lines mights meet :eek: ).

antoinolachtnai

For Grand Canal Dock - Charlemont, the problem is plain traffic congestion. There is no way anybody could run a decent bus service along the banks of the canal without taking back a lot of land.

I do this trip quite a lot by bike. It's the only practical short term possibility I'm afraid. At peak, this can take 30 or 40 minutes to do by car. You'll do it in less on foot.

astrofool

The question wasn't for me, but someone else, but it's pretty bad that we have all these public transport options with nothing linking them together. It's another reason the car is used so much, in this case, the person gets the DART to blackrock and then gets a lift (getting the car down to blackrock takes about 10-15 mins, less than the walking time), but it's another car on the road, and more pollution as public transport isn't up to scratch, yet again.

How long will it be till they realise that more circular routes are needed in Dublin, rather than buses being the main causes of jams on college green/trinity.

eth0_

Why won't your friend walk?
Is it any wonder there is rising obesity and heart problems in Ireland if people are so lazy that they won't walk 20 minutes to a tram stop!

If people like ballooba would think for a minute instead of demanding impossible things, they would realise it would be ridiculous to put a bus service running up the canal or into Stephens green from the grand canal dock area. The traffic is simply too bad and there is no room for a bus lane.

astrofool - I just thought of another option for your friend. Walk to the end of barrow street and catch a bus on Ringsend road into college green - iirc all the buses stopping here go up by college green. Then just walk up Grafton St. However, again, traffic is bad all along Pearse St at peak times.

Carawaystick

Why does the OP want to get to the luas stop on St Stephen's Green? is it to get the luas to somewhere else or does he want to go to Eircom/halifax/Unitarian church other place right beside the luas stop?

Or does the OP want to get the luas somewhere else?
when walking the canal to Charlemont is probably quickest.

John R

ballooba wrote: »

I have a similar question to the OP except I'm coming from Ranelagh. I don't feel like walking 20 minutes to and from work every day. Is the only other option to drive or go via city centre?

Walk to Baggot St/Waterloo Rd and get the 18 to Ranelagh. Or if really lazy get the 4, 4A, 7, 7A, 8, 45, 63 or 84 from Mount St to Jurys and the 18 from there. Or get the DART to Sandymount and the 18 from there.

Won't be as quick as walking though.

For that sort of distance a bike or moped would be the best.

comer_97

you know that even in countries with really good public transport systems people do have to walk from time to time and of course there are city bikes.

Should I be upset that the bus doesn't pull up to my door?

ballooba

eth0_ wrote: »

Why won't your friend walk?
Is it any wonder there is rising obesity and heart problems in Ireland if people are so lazy that they won't walk 20 minutes to a tram stop!

It's nothing to do with laziness. It's to do with comfort and security. I don't mind walking some days. I want to have another option for days when I don't want to walk. I already walk 30 minutes in and out of town some days but there is a bus for the days when I choose not to.

eth0_ wrote: »

If people like ballooba would think for a minute instead of demanding impossible things, they would realise it would be ridiculous to put a bus service running up the canal or into Stephens green from the grand canal dock area. The traffic is simply too bad and there is no room for a bus lane.

Of course I've thought about it. Don't insult my intelligence. This route was in the manifesto of several of my local politicians in the last election. It makes perfect sense. Dublin Bus wouldn't have planned it otherwise. It doesn't have to run exactly in line with the canal.

If everyone took the same attitude as you we would never get anything done. The Dublin Bus route network is a poor use of resources and contributes to city centre congestion. The main reason this route wouldn't happen is because Irish Rail, Dublin Bus and the RPA don't want to co-operate with each other. people are crying out for the two Luas lines to get linked up. This would incorporate the Dart too and for a fraction of the cost of linking the two Luas lines.

No wonder Fianna Fail got back into power when people have an attitude like yours.

ballooba

Anyway, I'm looking at a job on the 11 route now. Looks like I will drive most days regardless unless I'm drinking after work. The 11 is a shambles of a route but at least it's some kind of an alternative option. People will never leave there cars at home until their is an alternative. Enjoy the walk in the cold, dark and rain folks.

conical

LOL! OP, look at what you've caused asking controversial questions like that! :eek:

My two cents for quickest and least-hassle options would be walk or cycle.

-C

loyatemu

no expects the bus to pull up to their door, but transfering between 2 major transport modes in the city centre should be possible without a 20 minute walk between them - its not as if Dublin has that many different transports modes to start with. Many people will already have a 20 minute walk at one or both ends of their journey...

ballooba

Or how about routes that intersect outside the city centre? A variation on the grid system theme with orbital AND spider routes. :eek:

Victor

eth0_, marceldesailly can you be less abrasive please? Not everyone can walk. Same to ballooba.

astrofool, are the actual start and finish points GCD and Sandyford Industrial Estate?

ballooba, what are your start and finish points?

ballooba wrote: »

I have a similar question to the OP except I'm coming from Ranelagh. I don't feel like walking 20 minutes to and from work every day. Is the only other option to drive or go via city centre?

I don't think it will take 20 minutes. From St. Stephen's Green to GCD you can also get any of the Ballsbridge buses from Nassau Street

loyatemu wrote: »

if you really don't want to do any walking - Dart to Connolly then 128 bus to Harcourt LUAS

Don't go to Connolly, just go to Tara Street or Pearse.

loyatemu wrote: »

transfering between 2 major transport modes in the city centre should be possible without a 20 minute walk between them

There are lots of city centre bus routes that can be used.

ballooba

Victor wrote: »

ballooba, what are your start and finish points?

Cheers for the offer of help. Not looking at the job anymore though.

astrofool

The start point would be just outside the industrial estate, about a 20 min walk to the Luas To get in involves getting the luas to stephen's green, and then walking to Trinity and getting the 45/7 to Mount Street, then walking to Barrow street from there. Getting back is not as easy due to the bus going by the Quays.

It's also not an area that I'd be happy to walk through on a late night when it's dark. The best option looks like the 114 to Blackrock and take the Dart. It's still 20 mins to get to the stop, + max waiting 30 mins (the 114 goes about every 30 mins), then transferring to Dart. The most likely option is to drive to the Dart to pick up in the evening, but it's not the most environmental solution. Alas!

Anyway, the answer is really that we don't have a public transport solution to get from the Dart to the Green line, without, and I quote, doing a "Heath Robinson" on it. 1 more car still on the road

bk

astrofool wrote:

Anyway, the answer is really that we don't have a public transport solution to get from the Dart to the Green line, without, and I quote, doing a "Heath Robinson" on it. 1 more car still on the road

FFS lads, according to the DTO website it is a gruelling 14 minute walk between Pearse Dart station and Stephens green!!!!!

Come on that is hardly that far, what, are we following the US into a country of overweight people who refuse to walk for even 14 minutes a day!!!!

Get out and walk it. Your body and heart will thank you for it. You'll even lose 75 calories doing it.

ballooba

bk wrote: »

FFS lads, according to the DTO website it is a gruelling 14 minute walk between Pearse Dart station and Stephens green!!!!!

Come on that is hardly that far, what, are we following the US into a country of overweight people who refuse to walk for even 14 minutes a day!!!!

Unless you are suggesting that the OP sleep in work every second night that would be 28 minutes per day. Include the 20 minutes in Sandyford in the morning and evening and it comes to 1 hour 8 minutes per day. That's before you include the time spent sitting on the Luas/Dart/Bus.

The problem is not with the OP. The problem is the lack of well designed public transport infrastructure in Dublin.

bk

ballooba wrote: »

Unless you are suggesting that the OP sleep in work every second night that would be 28 minutes per day. Include the 20 minutes in Sandyford in the morning and evening and it comes to 1 hour 8 minutes per day. That's before you include the time spent sitting on the Luas/Dart/Bus.

So what I cycle to work every day?

All that walking is very good for him and might save him from a heart attack some day.

Previously when I use to take a bus to work, I use to get off a few stops early to get a brisk walk done before I got into the office.

The Irish Heart Foundation recommends a minimum of 30 minutes brisk walk a day.

ballooba

bk wrote: »

So what I cycle to work every day?

All that walking is very good for him and might save him from a heart attack some day.

Previously when I use to take a bus to work, I use to get off a few stops early to get a brisk walk done before I got into the office.

The Irish Heart Foundation recommends a minimum of 30 minutes brisk walk a day.

Good for you. Seriously. I'm sure you have a kicking heart.

As pointed out by Victor some people can't walk. Other people want an alternative to walking some days. The only such alternative as discovered by myself and the OP is driving. Which is fine by me. It will take me 10 minutes to drive to this job against the main flow of traffic. My car is warm and dry and I can listen to my music. Happy days.

markpb

I think ballooba has hit the nail on the head. If someone wants to use public transport to get to work, the last thing we should be telling them is they're too lazy and should be walking between modes. If you're aim is to promote healthy living, there's a time and a place for it. If you're aim is to get people out of cars and onto public transport, promoting walking is not the way to do it.

marceldesailly

Sorry if it came across as abrasive, its just that it is the easiest way.Its the answer-in OP post public transport wasnt a prerequisite to the answer.

Anyway i remembered that you can get the 44 from westland row and it goes past the luas stops.

Very odd the spiraling nature of this thread!:D

ballooba

marceldesailly wrote: »

Anyway i remembered that you can get the 44 from westland row and it goes past the luas stops.

Could help the OP. Goes up Ranelagh Road?

marceldesailly wrote: »

Very odd the spiraling nature of this thread!:D

It's on topic for the forum. Essentially the OP's problem is to get from Luas to Dart or Bus to Dart. An integrated system would account for this.

astrofool

Doesn't really help, got the route from here: http://mkmap.com/dublin I'd be driven potty if I had to get luas->bus->work->dart->bus->luas every day. Walking is fine until it's raining and late at night through a rough-ish area in the middle of winter.

Anyway, there's no good public transport system to do this, so lets leave it at that, hopefully it'll be different in a few years time.

ballooba

astrofool wrote: »

Walking is fine until it's raining and late at night through a rough-ish area in the middle of winter.

By roughish you mean red light district.

marceldesailly

Would going down haddington rd. from charlemount make it less of a worrying walk?might be bit longer but certainly less "dodgy".

Thanks for that mkmap link though.Ive never seen it before definitely something i will be using!

ballooba

marceldesailly wrote: »

Would going down haddington rd. from charlemount make it less of a worrying walk?might be bit longer but certainly less "dodgy".

That area is full of prostitutes. There have been numerous murders and assults, on prostitutes mainly.