Newbridge Cinema Anyone???

JackieO

Just wondering what every happened to the planned cinema for Newbridge?

Surely it was due to be ready by now???

I remember there was an issue with Whitewater and the planning as they were supposed to have a cinema in the S.C. but surprise, surprise when it was built there was no cinema. I also remember the various marches in town protesting at the time.

There was talk of building the cinema in an alternative location.

Anyone know where this got to?? Or if it is still even going ahead?

baztard

Last I heard the developers of Whitewater were going to build a cinema in a different location, but that was a good 6 months ago now. Its a scandal that they could get away without putting one into Whitewater.

JackieO

Yes, you're right. They were supposed to be building the cinema at an alternative site and I thought it was due to open sometime in 2007 (but maybe I'm just dreaming). Haven't heard a word on this in at least 12 months.

dame

If you read the local papers you'd occassionally see an update. Yes, still no cinema, Whitewater still saying they'll build it on alternative site and Newbridge Concerned Residents, Council etc saying it was part of the planning permission for the centre and must be provided in there. Whitewater want to put more shops in there instead. The part where the cinema should be is partitioned off (beside Debenham's) until decision is made. The developers obviously just put the cinema in there in order to get the planning permission then want to use the space as shops (higher rents), surprise surprise. So much for the planning laws of Ireland.

nellieswellies

I think the developers were trying to aquire the site behind the White Water with the motor factors on it for a Cinema (by that I mean that what they were saying when I last read something about it), it wont happen though

JackieO

http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/news/story/?trs=cwgbkfidgb

I've done a search and above is the most recent link I can find which updates the situation. No real movement from what I can see.

nlgbbbblth

Pity Oscar closed down.

dizzydub

I heard a rumour that the guys who own leisureplex and TGI Fridays had bought UCI and were planning on opening a TGI Fridays in Newbridge next year. Maybe they'll open a cinema now that they have the UCI franchise?

BuffyBot

An update is here:

http://www.kfmradio.com/new/news.php?articleid=000010125

orlao

Hi, just to update you on new cinema proposal in Newbridge. It's at the back of the Whitewater, an 8-screen cinema which will be linked by a corridor into the main shopping centre. It will also have a pedestrian exit to road. A company called Newbridge Metal Products was there. It will use the existing car parking at the Shopping Centre.

There's a public information meeting on next week, Wednesday, 13th Feb at 8pm in Hotel Keadeen. There's been a good reaction generally to the new proposal, but locals are very sceptical about the developers as they've been trying to get out of building the cinema ever since they first got planning permission.

Try and come along to the meeting, show your support, ask the questions - show the developers people are still really interested, the more they know this, the more they'll think twice about trying to get out of it again.

afino

orlao wrote: »

There's a public information meeting on next week, Wednesday, 13th Feb at 8pm in Hotel Keadeen.

Couldn't get to that meeting. What was the outcome? Any major developments?

orlao

There was a great turnout, there is still huge interest in the issue. Basically new plans have gone in for an 8screen cinema at a new site which will physically join to the Whitewater. It would be fine if the cinema were built there - the only concerns are whether the developers really mean it this time - people are sceptical. For instance, the Whitewater guy who was interviewed on KFM said an 8screen cinema would be looking for a catchment population of 200,000 - there isn't even that number of people in the entire county of Kildare. So we'll have to wait and see. The Council will kick it to touch until An Bord Pleanala rules on the previous application. Whitewater has so far refused to withdraw their appeal (against the Council's decision to make them build the cinema at the current site within the shopping centre). Whitewater remains hidden behind the Newbridge Town Councillors, refusing to attend the public meeting saying they'd only talk to the elected representatives. The Councillors think everything is rosy in the garden - I wish I was wearing their glasses!

JackieO

Any update on the cinema issue in the last few months. This is going to drag on forever by the looks of things.

Its time to be start protests outside whitewater on Saturday's I think. Wouldn't take long for them to reach a decision then.

orlao

Well the most up-to-date news is we won the battle, but not yet the war. An Bord Pleanala recently turned down Whitewater's appeal to Kildare County Council's decision not to let them change the current cinema site into more shops and a creche. This is an important decision as the Board stated quite clearly that the current cinema site is the best location for a cinema in the shopping centre. It also has huge implications for the new cinema application which is basically an extension out the back of the Whitewater on the ring road. It's possible the Council will make the same arguments about there being no reason why the site needs to be changed. The new cinema application is at Further Information for the past few months and it will be interesting to see if Whitewater continues to delay on this - if they do you can be sure they weren't serious about the new application. There's probably no point demonstrating at the Shopping Centre, all the traders want a cinema as much as we do - your best bet is to knock on the door of the owners, one of whom is Sean Mulryan, international developer extraordinaire - he's the guy calling the shots.

faceman

I bet this will never happen.

orlao

While I can understand people believing that developers hold all the power and they end up doing what they want, I'm actually quite optimistic. Things change - the Whitewater is not doing well and some units have closed, the economic imperative for pushing the cinema out of the shopping centre could change. Also, there are local elections coming up next year and this is still a big issue for people from Newbridge. Local politicians know they will make their reputation (or not!) on what they've done on the cinema issue. And sure why not drop a line to Sean Mulryan and tell him what you think of him, he's a local lad, after all.

Shades799

I'm in the closing stages of buying a house in Newbridge. Just wondering where do Newbridge people go to goto the cinema. And what is that cinema like?

nlgbbbblth

Shades799 wrote: »

I'm in the closing stages of buying a house in Newbridge. Just wondering where do Newbridge people go to goto the cinema. And what is that cinema like?

Naas - Storm. It's ok, nothing special.

A film club has started. Think it's in The Moat, Naas. Not sure.

The Oscar in Newbridge was cool. Pity it closed prematurely.

djimi

Shades799 wrote: »

I'm in the closing stages of buying a house in Newbridge. Just wondering where do Newbridge people go to goto the cinema. And what is that cinema like?

You could go to Storm in Naas, but I really wouldnt if I were you...

Liffey Valley is only a half hour drive from Newbridge (less probably at night) and that is where I would recommend. Or if you dont mind travelling into town then CineWorld on Parnell St is my first choice for cinema. Bit more hassle getting there and youll have to pay for parking (I recommend Marlboro St at €6 for the evening), but the cinema is considerably better than any other of the mainstream cinemas around (unless you can get into screen 1 in the Savoy on O'Connell St).

djimi

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

A film club has started. Think it's in The Moat, Naas. Not sure.

Is this any good? Ive always craved a decent film club in Naas!

nlgbbbblth

djimi wrote: »

Is this any good? Ive always craved a decent film club in Naas!

no idea. Must check it out. Mentioned in the Leader a couple of weeks ago.

zero19

faceman wrote: »

I bet this will never happen.

+1 our only option is that hole they call storm cinemas in Naas :eek:

matchthis

Have to defend Storm cinema. Have been a few times and i like my movies. Was recently there at batman and was mad busy, but everything still went smoothly. Comfy seats and good bit of leg room. Only stipulation is the pay parking, but never had a cad experience even tohugh i have read before in the past. Still would like to see a Cinema in Newbridge, Storm is a bit on its own out there

faceman

matchthis wrote: »

Have to defend Storm cinema. Have been a few times and i like my movies. Was recently there at batman and was mad busy, but everything still went smoothly. Comfy seats and good bit of leg room. Only stipulation is the pay parking, but never had a cad experience even tohugh i have read before in the past. Still would like to see a Cinema in Newbridge, Storm is a bit on its own out there

Yeah but all the screens are small unless the film is on in screen 1.

djimi

matchthis wrote: »

Have to defend Storm cinema. Have been a few times and i like my movies. Was recently there at batman and was mad busy, but everything still went smoothly. Comfy seats and good bit of leg room. Only stipulation is the pay parking, but never had a cad experience even tohugh i have read before in the past. Still would like to see a Cinema in Newbridge, Storm is a bit on its own out there

Ive heard that Storm has recently been aquired by UCI and that the general cinema experience has improved greatly. My girlfriend went there last week and she said that the projectionists have finally figured out how to get the picture displaying centrally on the screen, and not at a 10 degree angle, which is a vast improvement from the last few times Ive been there.

My biggest gripe with the place tho (apart from the novice projectionists) was the fact that I had to put up with gangs of little Naas knackers talking and laughing and joking throughout the film, and the staff seemingly having no control over them. One time I saw a girl on her phone during a film, she was asked to turn the phone off or leave, she told the guy to f**k off, and he did, while she continued her conversation... Complete joke.

faceman

My brother watched the Dark knight in screen 2 the other day. He said that the screen was small, the image wasnt being projected on the screen correctly. (said it was almost like the film wasnt running through the projector correctly.

He also said the sound system they had was very poor. You couldnt get much of a surround effect and the bass is non existent.

Not really worth a tenner or whatever they charge if you ask me.

djimi

That was my arguement against Storm; they simply dont seem to know what they are at with the projector. I have had several instances where the picture has been off, ranging from the picture projecting nearly a foot onto the left hand side wall of the cinema, to the picture being rotated at a 10 degree angle (which made it almost unwatchable, yet noone upstairs seemed to be making any attempt to fix it), to the aspect ratio being completely off (the picture was being shown in something like 4:3 which looked completely off, and it actually took my mate to go out and tell them that it should be anamorphic or 16:9 or whatever before they fixed it!). Storm is not a cheap cinema, last time I went there the tickets were dearer than Vue or CineWorld, and as such I dont think its too much to expect that they get the basics right.

BuffyBot

Folks, this isn't a thread about Storm in Naas, but the proposed cinema at the Whitewater.

Let's keep it on topic.

JackieO

Anyone know whats happening with the Newbridge cinema these days?

orlao

Everything is still live - the new proposal for the Cinema, ie in an extension of the Whitewater is with planning and a decision is due on 10th Oct and the campaign which is keeping an eye on things is still operating. The problem with the new proposal is it involves extending the Whitewater with more shops on the bottom part of the building, but Whitewater is haemorraging tenants so what developer would extend a Shopping Centre in this climate? Meantime, the developer, Sean Mulryan is stopping any other operator coming in and opening up a cinema - remember what the politicians have done on this when you're voting next June.

richiek83

They have lost one tenant namely Espirit in the last number of months. The units that were occupied in the corner of the first floor across from the original proposed cinema were let on a short term lease which finished some time back. Espirit is to be replaced in the next few weeks with John David Sports, a well known sports retailer in Ireland and the UK so all is not that bad considering the current economic climate.

At the end of the day, I have lived in Newbridge all my life and still do!!. I would rather a cinema which is bigger and built to a better specification than the one that was originally planned. If we were left with the cinema that was originally planned, the screens would be small, in that case, I and many other people would still go to Liffey Valley or Dundrum. This is still the case at the moment, regardless of Storm in Naas.

I do hope that this application gets permission albeit with conditions, namely an effort to try and integrate the proposed cinema with the Avenue. All eyes on the KCC website for the 10th October!!!!!!

orlao

Several other units have also closed up shop since the Centre opened, the creche, Chocolate Soup, Windy Corner and I understand the estate agents has also gone....am I forgetting anyone? Contrary to what Whitewater said to both KCC and An Bord Pleanala, some units have never been let, both inside and outside the Centre.
It is naive to buy into the Whitewater blurb that they're holding out for bigger and better - the facts don't stand up to that, and a cursory glance at the planning file for both this proposal and the last failed one show this up. Don't forget a few months after Whitewater got their planning permission for the Centre, the developers tried to get out of building the cinema.
There is absolutely no business case for extending the Shopping Centre and I would bet my (very weak) bottom dollar that if they get planning permission for this new proposal, it won't be built and there is nothing the Council can do about that. However, there is a possiblity that if the Council made them stick to the original plan of building a cinema inside the Centre, they could enforce it under the Planning & Development Act.
Meanwhile all the pfaffing around by this crowd over the last 6 years means no other operator will come into the town and build a cinema.

force4

The whole whitewater fiasco was driven by money hunger . A cinema attracts people with children , they go to a film and mammy and daddy do a bit of shopping. Foodcourt would also benefit from extra people milling around. Looks like a better idea to have the flicks given current economic climate. Newbridge people would definitely prefer it in their home town to going to Naas. I was in a multi screen in states recently about 30miles south of Orlando and it was deserted (great for us going to movies). It was worse than Whitewater. Maybe the economics of the whole thing will make the developers change their plans especially if one of the bigger outlets leaves , I live in hope.

Damien360

djimi wrote: »

Ive heard that Storm has recently been aquired by UCI and that the general cinema experience has improved greatly. My girlfriend went there last week and she said that the projectionists have finally figured out how to get the picture displaying centrally on the screen, and not at a 10 degree angle, which is a vast improvement from the last few times Ive been there.

My biggest gripe with the place tho (apart from the novice projectionists) was the fact that I had to put up with gangs of little Naas knackers talking and laughing and joking throughout the film, and the staff seemingly having no control over them. One time I saw a girl on her phone during a film, she was asked to turn the phone off or leave, she told the guy to f**k off, and he did, while she continued her conversation... Complete joke.

The knackers are not Naas knackers but from Newbridge. I know a few of them to see. Generally turn up every Thursday and Saturday. Well it seemed that way as I kept getting stuck with them. Talk all the way through a movie and the women (in the fur coats) on the phone throughout. Aged 20 to 25. Always park right in front of the cinema, closest to the entrance. C-class Mercs, VW passats all with blacked out windows. I have driven away and continued up to Liffey Valley on occasion when I spot these cars. Staff in the cinema do not know how to deal with this problem.

As for the Newbridge proposal, we have had so much spin all the time it is silly. I brought this up on my doorstep on last election when local FF clown was walking around with Cllr Black (also FF) and Cllr Black was very much against giving them an inch. Unfortunaltly, the owners of the Whitewater have'nt given an inch either.

There would be a simple solution. Permission for the shopping centre was given on the basis that the cinema would also be on the site. They have defaulted on this and the centre should have it's hours curtailed severely to breath some life back into the town's shops (too many auctioneers and a few tacky pound shops). When it begins to hurt the pockets of the centre owners they might change their tune.

This has gone on too long with only lip service paid to the few continuing the fight by the politicians and developers.

Another scenario. Let someone else develop a large cinema on the Newbridge Metal site with all parking available in the Whitewater for free as a stipulation due to lack of cinema as promised on Whitewater site. Validation of tickets in the cinema. Sean and co. would get more shoppers and his extra shops. Does Sean and co. actually own that site. Pretty sure same guy bought all of the Schlotter site on the other side of the road and the old carpets site.

orlao

Well all of you potential Newbridge-cinema-goers will be delighted to hear the Council has just asked for Clarification of Further Information, which basically means Sean Mulryan and Co have another 6 months to mess around with their infantile attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the public. The list of questions has to be seen to be believed. One of the better comments from the Council is, "the relationship (of the cinema) with the Avenue is vague / non existent". This is The Avenue which is on its knees in terms of footfall and Mr Mulryan hasn't even taken the opportunity to design the supposed new cinema to attract people along it. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Sean Mulryan didn't get where he is today by making silly mistakes like that. The only silly people are those who still believe he has any credibility. Anyone want to earn some easy money - take a bet that it will take Whitewater 6 full months to answer these questions, even at a time when construction professionals are scrabbling for work.

armchairninja

anybody able to give me a link to that list of F.I. questions for the latest application?, cant seem to find it on the co. co. website

orlao

Unfortunately the planning database seems to be going through some quality control issues at the moment as this is not the first thing missing from that planning application ref 08/51. I got the FI questions by ringing the planning dept and they faxed it to me. I have tonight sent an email to webteam@kildarecoco.ie and asked them to rectify the situation. In fairness I've found the kildare co co planning search facility very good up to about 2 months ago. It might be useful if a few more people sent a note to them requesting same thing.

yellowcurl

orlao wrote: »

Well all of you potential Newbridge-cinema-goers will be delighted to hear the Council has just asked for Clarification of Further Information, which basically means Sean Mulryan and Co have another 6 months to mess around with their infantile attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the public. The list of questions has to be seen to be believed. One of the better comments from the Council is, "the relationship (of the cinema) with the Avenue is vague / non existent". This is The Avenue which is on its knees in terms of footfall and Mr Mulryan hasn't even taken the opportunity to design the supposed new cinema to attract people along it. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Sean Mulryan didn't get where he is today by making silly mistakes like that. The only silly people are those who still believe he has any credibility. Anyone want to earn some easy money - take a bet that it will take Whitewater 6 full months to answer these questions, even at a time when construction professionals are scrabbling for work.

Ok, so i do understand that it's very annoying that the promised cinema didn't materialise and everything. But it seems a bit like you just want to bash Séan Mulryan all the time. :rolleyes: There were definitely more people involved in the planning process than one man... there were other investors, whom you haven't launched a tirade against. Maybe the bigger picture should be focused on? The likelihood is that there probably won't be a cinema in newbridge for the next few years, and yes that is a joke, but shouldn't Kildare CoCo have been monitoring the situation as the SC was being built?

Pub07

yellowcurl wrote: »

Ok, so i do understand that it's very annoying that the promised cinema didn't materialise and everything. But it seems a bit like you just want to bash Séan Mulryan all the time. :rolleyes: There were definitely more people involved in the planning process than one man... there were other investors, whom you haven't launched a tirade against. Maybe the bigger picture should be focused on? The likelihood is that there probably won't be a cinema in newbridge for the next few years, and yes that is a joke, but shouldn't Kildare CoCo have been monitoring the situation as the SC was being built?

The buck stops with the guy at the top. If he wanted to put a cinema in it would've happened.

orlao

That point might seem reasonable at a cursory level, but it just doesn't stack up. The Whitewater is half-owned by Sean Mulryan and the other half owned by a consortium of other smaller investors. The site on which the new cinema is 'supposed' to be built is owned by both Sean Mulryan and Sean Dunne (who had previously been the other 50% shareholder of Whitewater). However, in the 7 year saga of serial planning applications / appeals by Whitewater, it has been Sean Mulryan's company, Ballymore Properties which has done the running. The project managers of Whitewater and the spokesperson who 'talked up' the merits of the new site at Newbridge Metalcrafts were Ballymore employees. The letter sent to the pressure-group, NCR refusing to accept an invitation to a public meeting was from Ballymore Properties, the people who met Town Council reps were Ballymore people. The other point is Sean Mulryan is a Kildare resident so if, as it seems, pressure is the only way of getting some movement on this issue, it is appropriate to identify the person to influence, rather than a faceless company. Mr Mulryan, as the head of Ballymore should take personal responsibility for his actions, there's no point always looking to the State to mitigate the value-less behaviour of its citizens.

I wouldn't be so pessimistic about not getting a cinema for a few years yet - I can't see how KCC can approve the new cinema site, it's essentially an extension of the Whitewater, completely unnecessary given the current empty spaces in Whitewater and the potential new empty spaces. The cinema space is there ready to go within the Centre, as soon as KCC turns down the current application, enforcement orders can be issued for the current site..... watch that space!

orlao

Apologies, in case of confusion, I was replying to yellowcurl and not pub07, just my dissertation took so long to compose, s/he got in before me!

yellowcurl

orlao wrote: »

That point might seem reasonable at a cursory level, but it just doesn't stack up. The Whitewater is half-owned by Sean Mulryan and the other half owned by a consortium of other smaller investors. The site on which the new cinema is 'supposed' to be built is owned by both Sean Mulryan and Sean Dunne (who had previously been the other 50% shareholder of Whitewater). However, in the 7 year saga of serial planning applications / appeals by Whitewater, it has been Sean Mulryan's company, Ballymore Properties which has done the running. The project managers of Whitewater and the spokesperson who 'talked up' the merits of the new site at Newbridge Metalcrafts were Ballymore employees. The letter sent to the pressure-group, NCR refusing to accept an invitation to a public meeting was from Ballymore Properties, the people who met Town Council reps were Ballymore people. The other point is Sean Mulryan is a Kildare resident so if, as it seems, pressure is the only way of getting some movement on this issue, it is appropriate to identify the person to influence, rather than a faceless company. Mr Mulryan, as the head of Ballymore should take personal responsibility for his actions, there's no point always looking to the State to mitigate the value-less behaviour of its citizens.

I wouldn't be so pessimistic about not getting a cinema for a few years yet - I can't see how KCC can approve the new cinema site, it's essentially an extension of the Whitewater, completely unnecessary given the current empty spaces in Whitewater and the potential new empty spaces. The cinema space is there ready to go within the Centre, as soon as KCC turns down the current application, enforcement orders can be issued for the current site..... watch that space!

I can see where you are coming from, just with the current economic climate, things might move a bit slower in getting a cinema up and running.

On a sidenote, if i were the head of a multimillion development company and a pressure group sent me a letter inviting me to a public meeting where i would probably just be verbally attacked over the situation, i would decline too and just use paper correspondance!

Darby OGill

Funny thing though, when Mr. Mulryan was looking for the local councillors' support for the initial project, he was happy to meet them in person.........

Damien360

Darby O'Gill wrote: »

Funny thing though, when Mr. Mulryan was looking for the local councillors' support for the initial project, he was happy to meet them in person.........

Only the postman delivers brown envelopes in the post.

The post office say do not put cash in the post. You would never know who sent the cash if it went missing.

orlao

Damien360 wrote: »

Only the postman delivers brown envelopes in the post.

The post office say do not put cash in the post. You would never know who sent the cash if it went missing.

Well, actually, there were no brown envelopes....and that's more tragic. Mr Mulryan didn't even have to pay for the blanket support he gets from some quarters of the elected 'representatives' of the town.

the flananator

Was pretty pissed about this situation when Whitewater first opened, but tbh I forgotton about it until I read this thread. I don't think its going to be built, and hey I wouldn't mind a few more shops in the centre as long as they're good ones (Topman and Schuh spring to mind)!

Don't get me wrong though, I'd still like to have a cinema in Newbridge. After last Friday I've gone to Storm for the last time; a crowd of young proletariat children (female, aged about 15) just wouldn't shut the fuck up! Security came over a couple of times, but couldn't get them to be quiet. He even resorted to saying "You're being very selfish!" and they just laughed in his face.

That said, I can't imagine crowd control would be much better in the proposed Newbridge cinema; this county is saturated with knackers. They should be sent to the gulag.

Nea

I wonder if the promise of a cinema will turn out like the promise of a public swimming pool in Newbridge years ago?

I would love to see a cinema back in Newbridge more so for the kids, I used to go weekly as a child. The cinematic experience as an adult is somewhat tarnished by the expense of an evening to the flicks only to have it ruined by a bunch of muppets whose only purpose in going to the movie is to piss everyone else off.

For the life of me I dont know why the ushers just dont turf them out. Maybe the recession might sort that out, if they are turfed out a few times they might not waste their money on going to the cinema

richiek83

The deadline for submitting Further Information was last Thursday the 9th of April. I'd say Kildare County Council have received it. We are unlikely to see the details of this Further Information until Tuesday or Wednesday at the earliest because of the Bank Holiday week-end. Whatever is in the Further Information I do hope that Kildare CC make a decision. I do hope the developers show a big improvement on how the Cinema will be integrated into the Avenue. We shall wait and see

orlao

I've got a copy of the further info, got it on the file on Thursday. While Whitewater has certainly improved in regard to the quality of the further information they've put in, such as improving the design of the new cinema, addressing the disability access issues and so on, they've still not been able to address the issue of WHY they actually want to change from the current cinema site. They're still waffling about the cinema experience and competitors being Liffey Valley and so on, but not addressing why the advent of digital cinema, much lower population/catchment area don't make the current cinema site (within the shopping centre) viable. The further information is about new retail space more than a cinema and there simply is no justification for more retail space anywhere in Newbridge, let alone Whitewater (ref empty units some of which have NEVER been occupied).
If the Council give the go ahead for this project, my bet is there will never be a cinema as no-one can make them build the new shops/cinema and what bank is going to finance more shops in Newbridge? Doesn't look as if Sean Mulryan has the sponds at the moment to feed his horses never mind extend the WW. If they turn it down, at least there's a chance of having an enforcement order to make them build at the current site.

richiek83

I would have to agree with you on some of the points there. The question of anything being bulit in the current climate is one of the issues I would be worried about. I don't think that the Council will make an enforcement order on White Water if this planning application is refused. I think the issue of a Digital cinema is another interesting point. Carlow will have one by the end of the year, this is an eight screen cinema that is due to be beside the Fairgreen SC. I think Newbridge could support a cinema of this type, bigger population as it stands and much bigger catchment population. All i want to see is a cinema in this expanding town of ours and something for people to do other than going to the pub. The present situation does not benefit anyone.

I haven't seen the details of the Further Information but design improvements are to be welcomed. I would also have to question the amount of information they have provided on the retail elements of the proposal. I am reluctant to comment much further until I have read the Further Information. How did you get a copy, did you contact the council? Was the Further Information received on deadline day?

richiek83

Permission granted yesterday to Clemens Pont for the new development. Whether it begins in the current climate is another question. The worst thing that could happen now is an appeal to this permission