[US] 2X09 - "Cautionary Tales" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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[US] 2X08 - "Cautionary Tales" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]
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Episode Title: Cautionary Tales
Airdate: 19 November 2007

Synopsis: Noah and the Company have a showdown. Matt Parkman interviews Mama Petrelli again. Hiro finds closure with his dad.





This was a feckin' brilliant episode! Best one of the series for pure drama.

Twist at the end I kinda saw coming, but pretty good nonetheless

5starpool

Looking forward to getting this episode this evening.

Faith

I very much enjoyed this episode. The "twists" were fairly predictable, I though. No Sylar either -grr! (Although I was sitting next to a genuine Sylar lookalike in class today, so that cheered me up )

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Kick-ass episode. Noah Bennett is a legend.

abelard

Very good (if not excellent) episode. Didn't see the very end twist coming (I must be thick), but it certainly adds another layer to what's going on. I thought the arc with Hiro and his father was nice, if a bit weak.

I have a feeling that, especially with the early end to the season due to the strike, that we may not see Sylar or the twins until Volume 3. I can't see how they will fit in with the current arc at all. At least if this is the case, we have the slow introductory period over with already.

steveland?

I really enjoyed this episode, although as soon as I saw the blood being taken from Claire I thought it was fairly obvious what was going to happen with Noah.

Good episode overall though, the Hiro scenes were good. Hopefully we'll see some sort of kick-ass showdown between him and Takeso soon (although hopefully not like last seasons Peter Vs. Sylar dissapointment-fest...)

Redisle

Very good episode, cool story line, Noah was shot.. well knew that was coming, thought Bob looked a bit unhappy with Noah's death, he said something about himself being right that Noah would stay loyal to the end.. was kind of surprised at Noah's resurection .. but I knew what was happening the second I saw the drip..

Parkman is abusing his powers.. forced Angela Petrelli to divulge the name of the woman she was clearly trying to protect.. maybe he will turn into as much of a power/control freak as his dad? he seems to be..

Big Ears

Great episode , the twist at the end was a bit obvious to me but it in no way ruined the drama of it .

The standard of episodes has improved greatly and if they can finish strongly with the last two(presuming that things with the writers won't be fixed before then) then it will still have been a good season .

tvnutz

very good episode I thought. Would have been pissed if Noah had actually died,but it was done really well.

Really liking how Matt's powers are evolving,how he can basically control people now. But he took that extra step and forced Angela to reveal something she really didn't want to reveal. I also liked how they mentioned why Adam hasn't aged and is 400 years old.

Much better than the start of this season. I was really hoping Bennett would put a hole in Mohinder's head,Mohinder is becoming annoying and whiny. Maybe it will come to that in the end! Also was hoping "West" would just die-"Mr. Butler,what are you doing??" in the most cheesy way. *shudder* The way he said that line could nearly alone have sunk this episode

evil_seed

when they were showing adam kill keito again, what was the deal with the ticking/creepy noise ala sylar?

Mr E

I've sworn involuntarily 3 times at my tv in the last week. Once at the end of last weeks Criminal Minds (if you saw it you'll know why), and twice during heroes tonight.

Brilliant brilliant brilliant.

TPD

Fairly good episode - I got the 720p version, jaysus the quality difference is impressive. 1.2gig an episode though, dont think ill be doing it too often.

I liked the Hiro storyline today, but I was hoping to see the fathers power.

Couldnt Adam be stopped by chopping off his head/removing his heart (stop that regenerating blood getting around) ?

6th

Argh! I wont see it til tomorrow night!

Mossy Monk

TPD wrote: »

Fairly good episode - I got the 720p version, jaysus the quality difference is impressive. 1.2gig an episode though, dont think ill be doing it too often.

This is how I watch it every week. The quality is fantastic.

Gereat episode. Too much Hiro. Pity that Claire didn't land on top of West when they fell from the sky. Mr. Bennett is fantastic though.

funky penguin

I loved the last line. A really nice link back to....what episode was it in season 1?

Sherifu

Overheal wrote: »

rkm wrote:

I am thinking perhaps Adams blood could save Noah, i'd be sad to see him killed off.

Noah doesnt die via virus.... no offense but have you been asleep? The Isaac paintings clearly portray Noah's death from a headshot. Its been shown several times and has been central to the entire Noah/Bennet story arc.

So it was Claire's blood instead, really happy Noah is still around. Great Episode.
Poll option - Like a bullet in the eye

The_Hustler

Apart from little hiro and his dad not recognising the dad with a few extra grey hairs, great episode.

I thought maybe when noah was aiming the gun at Bob, that it was actually Bob in the picture as he has the glasses too. When Noah was shot, I thought "Could they not just use Claire's blood?" but I didn't think they would.

standbyme

Really enjoyed this episode, turns out that Elle is Bob's daughter, but we kinda knew that as it looks like everyone (except Linderman afaik) has adopted/had a special child.

I thought the Hiro+Kaito storyline him not dying was boring but only for him to find out who killed his dad, let the vengeance begin or should i say justice !

So Parkman found out the name of the woman that mama Petrelli was hiding

Veronica Pratt

The more you watch, the more you get suspicious of the plots, like Bob taking some of Claire's blood for obvious later use on himself or anyone else that may have got harmed at the trade-off at the beach, so it was no suprise that twist at the end! But has it changed him i wonder, there i go again.

I saw somewhere on a site that the writers are comin back on the 26th, hopefully something will be sorted out especially with 2 episodes to go.

awhir

see the room noha was in at the end of the epp that doesnt look like the companys rooms does it maby sersheres snook him somewhere and gave him the blood?

gazzer

Great episode... Really glad Noah isnt dead.. he is a great character. I wonder if Bob etc just left him for dead and then somebody else took him away... Adam maybe???

Mohindar is the biggest TOOL on the planet... Just kill him off.

standbyme

awhir wrote: »

see the room noha was in at the end of the epp that doesnt look like the companys rooms does it maby sersheres snook him somewhere and gave him the blood?

I only got part of that, but what did Noah say at the end, was it HOA! (almost sounded like whoa) or HOME?

Agamemnon

Great episode, delighted that Noah isn't dead but it's a pity West didn't get one in the eye instead.

Interesting to see the changes in Mohinder and Parkman in this episode. It's no surprise they ended up working for President Sylar in "Five Years Gone".

I wonder what was really so bad about Adam that they had to lock him up? Was he bringing people back from the dead and building an army for himself? I'm betting this Victoria Pratt has some deeper connection to Adam than just being part of the original group. Maybe he even brought her back from the dead and gave her enough of his blood so that she's immortal too.

Suaimhneach

Claire = Adams child, stolen from him...?
Claire is going to live to be 400?
Think the Claire/West storyline is slightly ridiculous now, from "I dont believe you" to doing everything in his power to save her...
Great episode, love Hiro.
I wonder if Elle and Claire are cousins. They're both adopted/obducted... you never know.

smithy1981

Jesjes wrote: »

Claire = Adams child, stolen from him...?
Claire is going to live to be 400?
Think the Claire/West storyline is slightly ridiculous now, from "I dont believe you" to doing everything in his power to save her...
Great episode, love Hiro.
I wonder if Elle and Claire are cousins. They're both adopted/obducted... you never know.

Claire is Nathan Petrelli's child. And i think they said that Adam used his regeneration powers so much that it led too him living so long. So Claire should be able to live that long too.

Jay Ru

great episode, apart from Hiros time travellin bit!

Jesjes wrote: »

I wonder if Elle and Claire are cousins. They're both adopted/obducted... you never know.

i was thinking there might be a relationship there to, i remember reading that Elle & Claire have a deeper conection. i think it was in the post here bout Elle character joining the show. it might be just me but i think they talk very similar and i wud even go as far as saying the have the same mannerisms!

ixoy

Definitely improving, if still not great.

I re-worked the scene with Noah and West when Noah goes to fire and West says "Mr. Bennett - what are you doing!" and, in my mind, Noah goes "Phew! There might have only been one bullet - shame to waste it" and guns down West
Glad HRG's not dead!

Current theory as to what will happen: Sylar kills off the Boy WonderTwin. Girl WonderTwin gets upset but now there's noone to stop the disease. Disease spreads and the only cure is synthesised from Claire's blood and Mohinder's work - which is why we saw its healing properties this week in preparation.

seamus

No major progress this week, but I enjoyed the episode. There was a bit of cleaning up - we know now that everyone in the picture except Bob, Angela Petrelli and this new woman are already dead, so no figuring out to be done.

I get the feeling though that there's more behind the killings than just Adam looking for revenge - what would Maury Parkman have to gain?

I thought of the whole Claire's blood thing to save Noah, but they had me convinced (until the drip of course) that they were going to leave him dead. Obviously Bob just wasn't happy - maybe he wants to show Noah that the company actually has changed it stripes?

Gavin W

The_Hustler wrote: »

Apart from little hiro and his dad not recognising the dad with a few extra grey hairs, great episode.

I did wonder about that but actually I don't think either of them looked in his direction at all.

Did anyone else laugh out loud at the line "Did you pack Mr Muggles' doggy bath?!?"? It was just such a bizarre and unexpected thing to hear him say during a tense moment, delivered in such a dramatic fashion by Noah.

Surely there has got to be an episode coming up at some point with a flashback to the 70s where all the older generation are played by younger actors? With the exception of Adam of course.

Holsten

standbyme wrote: »

I only got part of that, but what did Noah say at the end, was it HOA! (almost sounded like whoa) or HOME?

He says "Holy Shít!", just cuts out as he says shít.

Thought it was a brilliant episode, so glad Noah isn't dead. West was more bareable in this episode, still no Sylar though.

Pitty it wasn't Mohinder that was killed... how dare he shoot Noah!

Elle at the start... yum.

Sherifu

Gavin W wrote: »

Surely there has got to be an episode coming up at some point with a flashback to the 70s where all the older generation are played by younger actors? With the exception of Adam of course.

yes i was thinking the same, i hope there will be.

doonothing

i almost liked noah this episode. but that was only for the split second when i thought he was about to kill mohinder...

west isnt nearly as bad as those two.

alright episode, still not as good as any of series 1....

Ivan

Really enjoyable episode. Favourite bits were definitely Elle with Mr. Muggles bath tub (and yes I laughed at that line too )

Being sprayed with water. Then the deep revelation that has sowed some doubt into her mind.

I never really expected Mohinder to shoot Noah, I always assumed that after the scene where Noah beats him up it would never come to that again but I'm glad to see that Mohinder is still sticking to his convictions, even if they are evil

I'm sure Noah is still in the hands of the company, they obviously wanted him to help get Claire but Mohinder never saw bob take the sample of Claires blood so I'm assuming he had nothing to do with Noah's resurection. This is going to lead to a "shame spiral" with Mohinder which will either be very annoying or lead to him developing a pair of balls, or maybe just the one...

West was indeed more tolerable and it all fitted in with the normal character development. As he said, he wanted to believe her but he didnt so he went after the only person who could give him answers. When he carried Noah up into the air, he expected the truth and he got it too, though for different reasons than he expected

Was really nice to see it all come together, very glad the paintings are no longer hanging over our heads though as it is kinda annoying that way.

When I saw bob go with the syringe to Claire I assumed he was injecting her with the virus and strange and wonderful things would happy but instead he took a blood sample... Never saw the twist coming at the end at all, call me dense

Very good episode, Noah is indeed "the man" and Suresh has finally succumbed to the temptation of the self-righteous path.

goodolegill

I'm sorry but i've put up with enough of this rubbish that we have been given the second series 9 episodes into it with the only memorable episode has been the the 8th episode that recounts the four months between the 1st + 2nd series, apart from that in my opinion we have been feed absolute tripe from a show that had so much promise.

ive written a thread on my disappointment not only on what we've been given in this series but in what we were left forcefeed as a finale in the last series. Plz tell me, i am not the only one that thinks a show with great promise has taken a nosedive!!

L31mr0d

excellent episode, especially 17:02 minutes into it how hot was that cheerleading uniform...

I almost thought Bob was going to kill Claire off for a second, it was like he was saying goodbye to her.

All in all a great episode, still not as good as five years gone imo, but still really good.

Also, goodolgill, complaining about a TV show is like boycotting a soup kitchen, the show is free and nobody is forcing you to watch it.

seamus

Having slept on it a bit, I think there's something in the "400 years" statement that Ma Petrelli made.

Perhaps Adam found them all and they set up the company, but none of the others had any idea that Adam had been around for 400 years. Then they found out what he'd been doing over those 400 years that they locked him up - Adam probably has some masterplan (Hitleresque?)

Mantel

agamemnon wrote: »

I wonder what was really so bad about Adam that they had to lock him up? Was he bringing people back from the dead and building an army for himself? I'm betting this Victoria Pratt has some deeper connection to Adam than just being part of the original group. Maybe he even brought her back from the dead and gave her enough of his blood so that she's immortal too.

Wasn't it said by Bob in an earlier episode when he told Nathan about Adam? He said that Adam started talking about apocalypses, plagues and god-like ideas and that Linderman was Adam's disciple, hence the blowing up New York idea.

Agamemnon

L31mr0d wrote: »

excellent episode, especially 17:02 minutes into it how hot was that cheerleading uniform...

It's a good one all right, even better than the Union Wells uniform. I must get one for my girlfriend for Christmas - she's slowly warming to the idea of wearing one.

jor el

That was a very good episode, but I didn't quite believe Hiro's change of mind. One quick conversation with his past self and he changes he suddenly realises his father should die. Just seemed to be a bit quick to me. Glad we found out that it was Adam who killed him though.

West lives but Bennett also lives

I agree that Mohinder has become a world class tool over the last two episodes. Why didn't he tell Bennett that he needed Claire's blood to save Nikki? Hopefully there'll be some clarity given to his newfound tool-ness before the end of the season.

L31mr0d

jor el wrote: »

I agree that Mohinder has become a world class tool over the last two episodes.

I loved Elles line to him "What's your power? Punching bag?"

The Don

L31mr0d wrote: »

I loved Elles line to him "What's your power? Punching bag?"

Or when she calls him Fight Club

Dord

Excellent episode!

I didn't expect the ending at all.

Overheal

wow.

you would think after having a page-long debate in the last episode discussion whether or not Claire's blood would save Noah from a headshot, somehow i did not expect that i blame it on the episode being FINALLY a superb piece of writing.

Not much more to say on that note. 10/10. for once im dumbstruck. The only sad part is I dont expect the next episode to live up to this... much the same way as Five Years Gone.

marie_85

Best episode of the second series and beats most of the first series hands down.

Was not expecting the end twist. I'm so glad they've kept Bennett alive. After defending Mohinder last week, I'm now shaking my head in despair. I could understand him being confused about who to trust - I mean, I watch the show every week, see every side of them all and I'm still not clear on who's side to be on. So that part is fine, but for the love of god Mohinder, if you're going to shoot somebody to stop them killing someone else, then you shoot them in the ARM or the SHOULDER, not the EYE!!!

West was as annoying as ever 'Mr Butler, what're you doing?' *headdesk*
But I liked the fact that they finally acknowledged Claire's real father could fly as well.

Elle is starting to grow on me. I hated her the first time we saw her, but she's slowly improving. The scene with her in the metal bath was hilarious! And she's starting to show some depth as a character.

Who else... oh yeah! Matt! Really like what they're doing with his storyline. I like the fact that he never really took that much advantage of reading people's minds, but now that he can influence them, he's using that. It fits for a character who's not used to other people listening to him or doing what he tells them. Wonder what Victoria Spratt has to do with things.

And Hiro. Welcome back!! For the first time this season, I didn't find him annoying at all. His story was heartbreaking this episode. I loved the interaction with his younger self, even if his turnaround was a bit quick. His goodbye to his father was one of the best scenes I've ever seen on Heroes. And I love the fact it seems to have been written that he was always there when his father was murdered. It explains what George Takei was doing on the roof in the first place - Hiro had just left him there.

Not much else to say. No Nathan or Peter. But hopefully they'll reunite next week. Angela Petrelli was as awesome as ever this week. I like the fact that they only did three storylines this week, and kept Matt's one quite short. It's so much easier to follow than cramming six or seven seperate storylines in.

topher182

gazzer wrote: »

Great episode... Really glad Noah isnt dead.. he is a great character. I wonder if Bob etc just left him for dead and then somebody else took him away... Adam maybe???

Mohindar is the biggest TOOL on the planet... Just kill him off.

i agree my friend mohindar is a TIT!didnt think he'd do what he did in the end! but noah isnt outta the game yet! im still dying to know what his power is!

KILL MOHINDAR OFF!!

seraphimvc

does everyone thinks this episode is superb?it's a ok for me,lots of great blood pumping scenes,but overall ruined by Hiro,Partman and Noah's revive...

i mean,ohmygod,the script is getting bad.Claire's regeneration blood can revive a person now,we call it imba(imbalance) in video game!Parkman can do what Eden did(she can force persuade too ,remember?but using voice),which same ability comes out again,repeatative is not cool at all,another imba ability in the show,Eden was gone for good(we miss you ,Eden:(),and this makes Parkman looks like a loser (again!),using more of his power to take shortcuts in his career...

Hiro with his father part was...nonsense.i completely get the meaning behind the story and totally agree that is a good plot,but,the director illustrated it badly.i feel really weird,something to do with those scenes when they went back and talked with the young Hiro...and especially young Hiro laughing while he is going back to his (younger)dad...:rolleyes:

looks like the episode had been made in a rush.hope tim kring will know how important to keep the script 'right',which they did pretty well in last season.balancy is very important for a sci-fic based drama ,imba powers will only make the show bad.show us more your brilliant creativity like you did in season 1!

p/s:did anyone like me think that they should keep Noah's survival as a hidden plot for laters...?what a waste for me...

Faith

seraphimvc wrote: »

and this makes Parkman looks like a loser (again!),using more of his power to take shortcuts in his career...

Are you honestly saying that if you developed a cool super power, you wouldn't use it to your advantage? The heroes are supposed to be ordinary people, after all.

seamus

seraphimvc wrote: »

i mean,ohmygod,the script is getting bad.Claire's regeneration blood can revive a person now,we call it imba(imbalance) in video game!

They already showed us the blood thing with Adam.

I think they're trying to illustrate that there's more to the powers than some magical "I have a power" thing. That rapid cell regeneration is dependent on some minor alteration of the nature of the person's blood. They're also trying to show that the company actually understand the nature of the powers too.

It also might start to explain how Sylar can "steal" people's powers.

seraphimvc

seamus wrote: »

They already showed us the blood thing with Adam.

I think they're trying to illustrate that there's more to the powers than some magical "I have a power" thing. That rapid cell regeneration is dependent on some minor alteration of the nature of the person's blood. They're also trying to show that the company actually understand the nature of the powers too.

It also might start to explain how Sylar can "steal" people's powers.

no,nathan's case is acceptable:)nathan is 'dying'.but Noah was revived!See the same way he 'wake up' while Claire was 'killed'?he was dead!(obviously...a bullet through your brain...)

ahye,didnt think about that,this may link to Sylar,his power lost?Sylar's power may have something do with the blood...emm...good,now i am expecting something good:)

seamus

seraphimvc wrote: »

no,nathan's case is acceptable:)nathan is 'dying'.but Noah was revived!See the same way he 'wake up' while Claire was 'killed'?he was dead!(obviously...a bullet through your brain...)

But...Claire was dead too. So if the blood contains the key to revival, then surely adding in the blood (and artificially stimulating the heart - in Claire's case I guess she was flush with blood) should revive him?

seraphimvc

seamus wrote: »

But...Claire was dead too. So if the blood contains the key to revival, then surely adding in the blood (and artificially stimulating the heart - in Claire's case I guess she was flush with blood) should revive him?

i think in Claire's case was:
her power was 'stopped' while Claire was totally lost her mind,cause' something blocking her out(the brain?sylar taking brain makes sense brain is important part of the power).once the thing got out,the power 'run' again,and thus she wake up,the power was running before she lost her mind.it's like your car has fuel,but someone take away the key then you cant start the car.but Noah is not even a car...take it simpler,that means claire/adam blood can revive any dead people?:Dthen huuray!just dig out the corpse of those who die in season 1 and revive,happy ending.either way,is not logical/good for the story.:p

Edit:
unless,Bob and Muhinder was set this up before they met...and with the speed of light give Noah the blood just the milliseconds off the scene,he wasnt dead yet,so its logical.but this still doesnt explain the exhale sound when Noah wake up...wrong acting?

WadeTalon

makes ye think about the whole "Save the cheerleader save the world thing"


With the virus and all that lark, When ye have Claire who needs Adam.