problems i ve got so far ... 5th yr

~Candy~

hello lovely people its me again ..:)
i was talking to some of you guys in the summer
i been told do some work in 5th yr..and i thought i was well prepared but the reality is wow 5th yr is harder than what i thought!anyway,ive got problems so plz help again

maths..we ve got differentiation and integration done and staring complex numbers now..how do you guys study for maths? i like maths but can't find an effective way to study for it ..its like if i do 10 question i d bond get 3-4 of them wrong,and part(c)s in the exampapers couldn't really get them right ><

french..i am not so good at languages , its like so much vocabs?just cant stick with them,i how do you actually study for french

for those of ye who does music / applied maths outside school how long and when you do you do them ..i think i spend so little time study for them in them in comparison



i am sorry now i ve got so many questions i am like really lost at the mo

alan4cult

Step back and slow down for a minute.

Maths - I've only just done Complex Numbers now and I'm in 6th Year. Calculus is the hardest topic on the course and not being able to do the c parts is expected. If you could do the entire exam in 5th year then the Leaving Cert Exam would take place in 5th Year. If you were to reach your peak now, things would get downhill from there. You should be working at your optimum performance at the end of 6th Year. The best thing to do is to make sure that you can do the a and b parts of the questions and concentrate on the c parts next year. Judging by your post you seem to be going for the A1 and possibly a higher grade if one existed! I too am hoping to get an A1 and in 5th Year i couldn't do most of the c parts either! The best way to study for maths is to do question after question after question. And if you've done all the questions, do them again.

French - Teachers say vocab all the time. Do you know every word in the English language? The answer is probably no so there is no need to know every word in the French/German language. Learning vocab is fine but limit it. Pick a topic e.g. environment. Find 15 words and learn them. That's all you need and more. If you are worried about letters just learn phrases. Learning vocab that has no potential is pointless and well cause you to burn out.

I'm a little confused by your last sentence. You should read over it again

Fringe

I do Applied Maths every Thursday after school and it lasts about 1 and a half hours. It's alright but don't do the homework on the very last day since you'll end up forgetting how to do the questions.

Nehpets

For the Maths exam the questions each have a few different types. Once you know what you're doing just learn the different types of questions and then go through them a few times

~Candy~

alan4cult wrote: »

Step back and slow down for a minute.

Maths - I've only just done Complex Numbers now and I'm in 6th Year. Calculus is the hardest topic on the course and not being able to do the c parts is expected. If you could do the entire exam in 5th year then the Leaving Cert Exam would take place in 5th Year. If you were to reach your peak now, things would get downhill from there. You should be working at your optimum performance at the end of 6th Year. The best thing to do is to make sure that you can do the a and b parts of the questions and concentrate on the c parts next year. Judging by your post you seem to be going for the A1 and possibly a higher grade if one existed! I too am hoping to get an A1 and in 5th Year i couldn't do most of the c parts either! The best way to study for maths is to do question after question after question. And if you've done all the questions, do them again.

haha, and thx for your advice ...and you right i really want do good in maths ..but it seemed really hard...um our teacher said he wanted us to do the pre paper 1 with the 6th yrs in february,he is flying thu the course ..>< and going thu the exampapers and all... he said if we could do them now it's like 50% of paper 1 done!! and i was there i couldn't do part(c)s at all ..=)

~Candy~

Nehpets wrote: »

For the Maths exam the questions each have a few different types. Once you know what you're doing just learn the different types of questions and then go through them a few times

thanks mate

Fringe wrote: »

I do Applied Maths every Thursday after school and it lasts about 1 and a half hours. It's alright but don't do the homework on the very last day since you'll end up forgetting how to do the questions.

....we don't even get homework ....
and do ye use a Applied maths book?because we don't (but i was thinking to get one)
..coz it hard to follow her sometimes )

eoghan h

wow ye're moving fast!! We only did Integration this year in leaving Cert..

The best way to study for maths is buy Mathsbank. Its a book with loads of questions with the answers...they start off easy ans slowly get harder. You shoud get the book and keep practicing questions

As for French.....drop to pass like I did

~Candy~

eoghan h wrote: »

wow ye're moving fast!! We only did Integration this year in leaving Cert..

The best way to study for maths is buy Mathsbank. Its a book with loads of questions with the answers...they start off easy ans slowly get harder. You shoud get the book and keep practicing questions

As for French.....drop to pass like I did

thank you ^ ^
it that pretty same as them less stress more success and revise wise revison books? lol i dun like french that much maths is handier??

ZorbaTehZ

Mathsbank has lot of mistakes in it, so you need to be careful about that.

timmywex

re applied maths, you need to spend a lot of time on this if you are only doing it in grinds. I do it in school and have 5 classes a week, there are so many little things to be covered in it, the chances are you will cover maybe 6 or 7 topics, you have to answer 6 but alot of tricky questions come up from time to time, theres little bits that you have to spend time on etc,

there are two main books, the one i use is fundemental applied maths by oliver murphy i think, you will have to get extra things from your teacher though because its not comprehensive, also, try to do a few questions a week from the book or you fast wont have a clue

ZorbaTehZ

timmywex wrote:

there are two main books, the one i use is fundemental applied maths by oliver murphy i think, you will have to get extra things from your teacher though because its not comprehensive,

What "extra things"? I used that book exclusively, for the LC and it covered everything that I needed to know.

1huge1

Just one thing I thought I'd say, the hardest part of the senior cycle so far for me was the first part of 5th year up until x mass, maybe I just got used to the work load but I found things way easier after and my grades have improved dramatically.

JC 2K3

timmywex wrote: »

re applied maths, you need to spend a lot of time on this if you are only doing it in grinds. I do it in school and have 5 classes a week, there are so many little things to be covered in it, the chances are you will cover maybe 6 or 7 topics, you have to answer 6 but alot of tricky questions come up from time to time, theres little bits that you have to spend time on etc,

there are two main books, the one i use is fundemental applied maths by oliver murphy i think, you will have to get extra things from your teacher though because its not comprehensive, also, try to do a few questions a week from the book or you fast wont have a clue

That's bollocks. I had one 2 hour class a week in 5th year which I never did the homework for, only covered 3 topics with and got 60% in the only test we ever got in it. In 6th year I did it on my own with only Fundamental Applied Maths and the internet and came out with an A2 in the end. You don't need anything extra from your teacher and you certainly don't need 5 classes a week.

Davidius

Just a question for anybody who did Honours Maths: What did you have covered by Christmas in 5th year as my class seems to go awfully slow. =/

Anyway I do Applied Maths one and a half hours every week on a Saturday morning. I normally do the homework somewhere between Wed-Fri to see if I can actually remember what I did and that's worked pretty well for me so far.

Prowetod

Im in 5th year aswell and we are only finishing trigonometry now, I do applied maths on mondays for 1hr after school and i try to do my homework that evening, fairly screwed in french might drop down to pass.

~Candy~

firstly can i just say thank you so much for ur comments!! i really appreciate it..like no one in real life could give me advice like that apparently i am like the oldest??[/B]

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

Mathsbank has lot of mistakes in it, so you need to be careful about that.

really? and alot? in what way

timmywex wrote: »

re applied maths, you need to spend a lot of time on this if you are only doing it in grinds. I do it in school and have 5 classes a week, there are so many little things to be covered in it, the chances are you will cover maybe 6 or 7 topics, you have to answer 6 but alot of tricky questions come up from time to time, theres little bits that you have to spend time on etc,

there are two main books, the one i use is fundemental applied maths by oliver murphy i think, you will have to get extra things from your teacher though because its not comprehensive, also, try to do a few questions a week from the book or you fast wont have a clue

thanks , it pretty sickening to be honest coz she just went thu exampaper questions and basically does the questions for us ...so i need a book and lucky you it wasnt even been offered on our school O__O

1huge1 wrote: »

Just one thing I thought I'd say, the hardest part of the senior cycle so far for me was the first part of 5th year up until x mass, maybe I just got used to the work load but I found things way easier after and my grades have improved dramatically.

aw.......!!! i hope i d be the same ...=)))))))))))))))and that gives me something to looking forward to lol

Davidius wrote: »

Just a question for anybody who did Honours Maths: What did you have covered by Christmas in 5th year as my class seems to go awfully slow. =/
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thx m8, i had do mine in lunch time and afterschool , like i ve maths 3 tyms during the day and AM after school..><

what have ye done so far?

~Candy~

eoccork wrote: »

Im in 5th year aswell and we are only finishing trigonometry now, I do applied maths on mondays for 1hr after school and i try to do my homework that evening, fairly screwed in french might drop down to pass.

how are you finding them so far mate?

Xhristy

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~Candy~

Xhristy wrote: »

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off what ^^

eoghan h

I've completed all the Intergration, Differentiation and Complex numbers questions off mathsbank and I've only found 1 mistake! I really think mathsbank is the way forward!!

Drop to pass french!! the country sucks as much as the language.....i wish i could have done spanish!!

timmywex

just to take one area out of the applied maths bok that is lacking, the variations in questions for linear motion is huge, the book misses out on the whole section of gravity for that area, and they just miss it, and for say projeciles, you have to get a fair bit of practice at them because of all the messy sin's and cas's business.

Some people can get through the subject with little bother, but be aware, you should do some questions, put things into a pratical form.

manicmonoliths

How much should you have done in Maths by Xmas 5th year? I'd say not very much.

I had a really good teacher in 5th year and until Xmas she only really focused on stuff we already knew and tried to build on that. So we did algebra, the line and trigonometry because we already knew most of that from JC. We didn't touch Calculus until at least April.

Its really important to be good at algebra though because it comes up in basically every part of the course!

ZorbaTehZ

~Candy~ wrote: »

really? and alot? in what way

A lot of the answers at the back of the book are wrong, as well as spelling errors in questions and just general ****-ups in laying out the questions. Your math teacher is probably familiar with the book, so ask him/her about it - ditto if you can't solve a problem.

Xhristy

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irishmonkey

Help!

Im going HL Maths, but im completely lost.
I have been since the beginning of Ty, and i think about 65% of the rest of the class is.
I have a terrible terrible teacher.
And i know what your thinking - its, not the teacher, its the work your putting in, or lack there of..
But its not that. I sit in that class and get constant headaches because i ahve no idea whats going on.

I used to be very good in maths, and i am quite smart.

But this classes is really worrying me, and im not the only person.

Any advice as to what i can do?

seraphimvc

maths eh?did honours back in 2 yrs ago:D
you need to spend time on them!download and print out all the solution of past year papers,i suppose you know where to get them?*free*
do all of them at least twice,and of course you know exactly how/why they work like that.guarantee an A1 i would say:p oh,forget to mention,get those concise maths books,blue and green cover,best books ever.

applied maths?anyone here go to institute?cant remember the teacher 's name,but he is the guy who wrote the book!just study and do the homework,prepare 7 questions fully and you will be granted

take it easy ,mate!good luck!:D

edit:
ahye,the guy!that awesome oliver murphy!!love his teaching

~Candy~

aww thx everybody..

:rolleyes:

Prowetod

~Candy~ wrote: »

how are you finding them so far mate?

The applied maths seems easy enough so far the book we are using is a bit unclear, am the maths is ok , even though our class is going very slow through each topic. French is boring and confusing

~Candy~

eoccork wrote: »

The applied maths seems easy enough so far the book we are using is a bit unclear, am the maths is ok , even though our class is going very slow through each topic. French is boring and confusing

yeah sickening reli. which book are ye using

Hooly22

Davidius wrote: »

Just a question for anybody who did Honours Maths: What did you have covered by Christmas in 5th year as my class seems to go awfully slow. =/

Anyway I do Applied Maths one and a half hours every week on a Saturday morning. I normally do the homework somewhere between Wed-Fri to see if I can actually remember what I did and that's worked pretty well for me so far.

I'm in 5th year... and we've done.. Triganometry 1..Co-Ordinate Geom-The line... Differentiation.. and half way through calculas!!
I like maths... but my grades are all over the place!


Finding 5th year hard! Exams in a week.. NOT prepared.


Just wondering whether to drop to pass maths.... How do you know!! Got an A in my Junior cert.... but that's pimps compared to this stuff!

I'm not linguistic... HATE spanish!

Biology and Home ec.... love!

English.. grand but SICK of adrienne rich!!

Piste

Whoah whoah whoah whoah, since when is Rich on our English course? Thought our only female poet was Bishop?


Oh God.

JSK 252

Piste wrote: »

Whoah whoah whoah whoah, since when is Rich on our English course? Thought our only female poet was Bishop?


Oh God.

There is always 2 female poets on the english course. Era, dont get worried about it. You dont have to cover any of the female poets if you dont want to. You would still have 6 poets left being, Walcott, Mahon, Longley, Keats, Montague and Larkin.

Piste

So she is! Just checked my English book....no notes are given on her at the end though O_o


Sorry I couldn't go to that English thing with you pfm, I didn't know we were indeed doing Rich!

Prowetod

~Candy~ wrote: »

yeah sickening reli. which book are ye using

Am dont have the book on me at the moment its blue and its says its for LC and foundation level in College!!!

Is anyone doing the new tech graph course, I think its called design and communication? If so what kind of stuff are you doing, have yuo started using the cad section of the course?

Jello

eoccork wrote: »

Is anyone doing the new tech graph course, I think its called design and communication? If so what kind of stuff are you doing, have yuo started using the cad section of the course?

Yep - 'Design and Communications Graphics'' is its full name. So far, we've done auxiliary views, true shape/lengths, skew lines and a few other things I can't remember... We've done a bit of computer stuff too on SolidWorks, and we've all got the program installed on our own PCs.

....shell....

well im in 6th yr at the mo and im tryin to figure out the whole college thing (bricking it!!!)...im struggling majorly with most of my subjects especially maths and biology

timmywex

Jello wrote: »

Yep - 'Design and Communications Graphics'' is its full name. So far, we've done auxiliary views, true shape/lengths, skew lines and a few other things I can't remember... We've done a bit of computer stuff too on SolidWorks, and we've all got the program installed on our own PCs.

the lucky ones then, im doing it too, but we have only done conics, obliques, true lengths and skew lines etc etc so far, starting the comps soon now though as a huge amount of the drawings are done

Prowetod

timmywex wrote: »

the lucky ones then, im doing it too, but we have only done conics, obliques, true lengths and skew lines etc etc so far, starting the comps soon now though as a huge amount of the drawings are done

Thats exactly where we are seems abit slow

....shell....

realised how absolutely screwed i am for maths today...and have xmas tests in less then a week.......

RealJohn

The only way to study for maths is by doing questions. You'll get some wrong. In some ways that's a good thing. When you get a question wrong, do it again. Go through as many steps as you can and try to figure out what you did wrong the first time.

It might take several attempts to figure some questions out but the chances are you'll do a little better each time. Spend 5 or 10 minutes trying to work out where you made the mistake. If you haven't figured it out in that time, take a short break, make a cup of tea or something, and then go back to it again.

If you keep working at it that way, it will start coming together over time.
Also, ask your teacher to explain it, either during class or after. That's what they're there for.

RealJohn

....shell.... wrote: »

..im struggling majorly with most of my subjects especially maths and biology

See above for advice on maths. It applies to all levels by the way.

As for biology, there isn't really a trick to it. There's just lots of stuff to memorise. For most people, it takes up a lot of time but it isn't a hard subject if you spend the time on it.
If you're having trouble, chances are it's because you're not studying effectively, not because you can't figure it out.

Jay P

For maths just keep doing questions. My teacher is not increddible, so i just go over anything weve done in class and if i cant do it then i just go to my grind teacher and ask him to go over it

Prowetod

Jello wrote: »

Yep - 'Design and Communications Graphics'' is its full name. So far, we've done auxiliary views, true shape/lengths, skew lines and a few other things I can't remember... We've done a bit of computer stuff too on SolidWorks, and we've all got the program installed on our own PCs.

We got the cd's for solidworks a few days ago. Does anybody know does it work on vista??

timmywex

it does i think, or at least it should anyway,

Prowetod

yeah people in my class said it does but the teacher said it was not supposed too:p

~Candy~

....shell.... wrote: »

realised how absolutely screwed i am for maths today...and have xmas tests in less then a week.......

hey bud i read this thingy on the net few dayz ago it says , revise the basics in maths make sure you understand all the basics...some ppl 'h8s'maths it because in maths it kept use the stuff u ve learned b4....so if u don't understand a small thing it could lead to a u dun understand a big thing,
once you have that done then move on to the next...
^ ^

~Candy~

RealJohn wrote: »

The only way to study for maths is by doing questions. You'll get some wrong. In some ways that's a good thing. When you get a question wrong, do it again. Go through as many steps as you can and try to figure out what you did wrong the first time.

It might take several attempts to figure some questions out but the chances are you'll do a little better each time. Spend 5 or 10 minutes trying to work out where you made the mistake. If you haven't figured it out in that time, take a short break, make a cup of tea or something, and then go back to it again.

If you keep working at it that way, it will start coming together over time.
Also, ask your teacher to explain it, either during class or after. That's what they're there for.

thx bud...ehh, it sickening really, i spend alot of time on it really......
it lyk i can do it on the day then i wouldnt be able to do it say a week after , have to kept going back to it ..and i jst got bored n angry enentually

~Candy~

Hooly22 wrote: »

I'm in 5th year... and we've done.. Triganometry 1..Co-Ordinate Geom-The line... Differentiation.. and half way through calculas!!
I like maths... but my grades are all over the place!


Finding 5th year hard! Exams in a week.. NOT prepared.


Just wondering whether to drop to pass maths.... How do you know!! Got an A in my Junior cert.... but that's pimps compared to this stuff!

I'm not linguistic... HATE spanish!

Biology and Home ec.... love!

English.. grand but SICK of adrienne rich!!

ah dun drop down ......i got freak out abit when i started 5th yr ....but felt abit better

and u love home ec....?? O___O
it impossible to remember all da different minerals and vitamins and % of stuff in each of da stuff

~Candy~

eoccork wrote: »

Am dont have the book on me at the moment its blue and its says its for LC and foundation level in College!!!

Is anyone doing the new tech graph course, I think its called design and communication? If so what kind of stuff are you doing, have yuo started using the cad section of the course?

um i got a book from da teacher n it ..err...didnt reli help =P
wot have ye done so far

Prowetod

sorry for the late reply we have moved on to, newtons laws of motion

Does anyone know if the software for design and communication "Solidworks" works on Windows Vista, because I am getting a new computer with vista and I want to be 100% positive that it works.

JC 2K3

It continues to astound me how people simply cannot get their head around the concept of using google.

I typed this:
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Solidworks%22+vista&btnG=Search&meta=
The first result was this:
http://www.solidworks.com/pages/products/vista/Vista.html
Presuming you're using the Student Edition, a few clicks found me this:
http://www.solidworks.com/pages/products/edu/studenteditionsoftware.html?pid=107

SolidWorks Students Edition 2007-2008 is designed to run on Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional™ or Windows Vista™.