fifa is much better

torqdj

im sorry but i tink its time u all realised

is if you like things moving at a rrreeeaaalllllly ssslllllooooww paaaaccceee
not even a ''shoot'' button its a ''goal'' button!!

super luigi

torqdj wrote: »

im sorry but i tink its time u all realised

Ill admit it. Never thought i would but the new pes is pure ****e.

torqdj

man i played pes before and its muck, its like a kiddies game of football, now that was a few years back il admit

but u shud try the new fifa, its a lot harder, its almost like a real game, u work hard for ur chances on goal

dionsiseire

fifa = arcade

pro evo = simulation

Fifa cannot and will not ever be as good as pro evo when it comes to the beautiful game.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah... pro ev has always been a better sim of the real thing than fifa, fifa is goal scoaring multiplayer madness.. but for a real challenging game of football it's pro ev every time.

KdjaCL

torqdj wrote: »

man i played pes before and its muck, its like a kiddies game of football, now that was a few years back il admit

but u shud try the new fifa, its a lot harder, its almost like a real game, u work hard for ur chances on goal

So basicially your talking out of your ass about something you have no clue about.

12?



kdjac

Oman

dionsiseire wrote: »

fifa = arcade

pro evo = simulation

QUOTE]

yep you said it

Pro evo=good

Fifa= ****e

Helix

dionsiseire wrote: »

fifa = arcade

pro evo = simulation

have you not played the new installments of each or something? because that comment is laughable

Helix

Mordeth wrote: »

yeah... pro ev has always been a better sim of the real thing than fifa, fifa is goal scoaring multiplayer madness.. but for a real challenging game of football it's pro ev every time.

not any more alas

pro evo has become the arcade game while fifa is the sim these days

theres room for both like, but its certainly roles reversed

kdave

pro evo is alrite but the ps3 version has slowdown

fifa is catching up all the time

footballcrazy

I have all the iss's, Pro evolutions ever made. Bottem line is that Pes 2008 is simply as massive disapointment and there are some complete idiots out there that will never admit it because they are so loyal to pes. Stop being such tossers and admit that its a complete shambles compared to previous Pes. If konami continue to produce ****t like this then i certainly wont be buying the next one. As I said before - Pro Evo 6-1 Fifa.

Helix

fifa won the year of pes3 as well iirc so 5-2

lol

KdjaCL

Helix wrote: »

fifa won the year of pes3 as well iirc so 5-2

lol

awesome drunken post man, least you of the age to post drunk


kdjac

Helix

stone cold sober actually

Cyrus

dionsiseire wrote: »

fifa = arcade

pro evo = simulation

Fifa cannot and will not ever be as good as pro evo when it comes to the beautiful game.

used to be until pes2008, played them all since iss on the snes, never been disappointed until this year

even if they just hi deffed pes6 it would have been ok

Mikeyt086

PES2008 is dissappointing is many respects but the gameplay is still sweet.

FIFA 08 is a gigantic leap in the right direction but still just not as good yet.

Its not like im biased, im the Irish FIFA champion 3 years running so its not like i dont play it, i do hate people who presume FIFA is the same as always, i think everyone should play both and make their own mind up, and although FIFA pays the bills and get me holidays i still find myself playing PES in 8 hour sessions with my mates on the weekends.

Helix

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

although FIFA pays the bills and get me holidays i still find myself playing PES in 8 hour sessions with my mates on the weekends.

thats coz its more immediate than fifa these days

torqdj

KdjaCL wrote: »

So basicially your talking out of your ass about something you have no clue about.

12?



kdjac

how has my age anything to do with this subject?

torqdj

torqdj wrote: »

how has my age anything to do with this subject?

anyway i need 50 posts to join the soccer forum so i was hoping this would lead to a debate hence the thread.

Mitch Connor

Bouth Fifa 08 for the PS3 cause i was getting annoyed with PES.

Love PES now, FIFA is a complete pile of stinking crap. Wish i hadn't wasted €40 on it.

Helix

Tauren wrote: »

FIFA is a complete pile of stinking crap. Wish i hadn't wasted €40 on it.

i dont actually believe you bought, or played, fifa 08 at all to be honest

fanboyism is pathetic

Mitch Connor

Bought it for €40 euro on play when they had their pricing issue a couple of weeks back. Waste of money - game plays like crap.

Nothing I can do to make you believe me though, as you appear to be a FIFA fanboy yourself, so shove it.

Unearthly

Pro Evo is more fun, when the online works

Fifa 08 is an excellent game to, 5 v 5 brings it to a whole new level, Pro Evo can't even do 1 v 1 online yet

Helix

Tauren wrote: »

Bought it for €40 euro on play when they had their pricing issue a couple of weeks back. Waste of money - game plays like crap.

Nothing I can do to make you believe me though, as you appear to be a FIFA fanboy yourself, so shove it.

im not a fifa fanboy

i will always have both fifa and pro evo in my collection ever year, and play both regularly

this year fifa comes out on top tho, and theres no way at all that anyone being even remotely honest could say otherwise

fifa 08 is a stunning game, pro evo 08 is sloppy

Helix

Unearthly wrote: »

5 v 5 brings it to a whole new level, Pro Evo can't even do 1 v 1 online yet

itd be even better if the majority of people playing it werent bona fide idiots tho lol

Unearthly

True

Everyone seems to think they can do a Maradona/Messi everytime they get the ball

Mitch Connor

Helix wrote: »

im not a fifa fanboy

i will always have both fifa and pro evo in my collection ever year, and play both regularly

this year fifa comes out on top tho, and theres no way at all that anyone being even remotely honest could say otherwise

fifa 08 is a stunning game, pro evo 08 is sloppy

Well I say it honestly - I find the game dreadfully unresponsive, i find the shooting just plain weird (hold whatever button while shooting to do a 'drive' shot....results in the exact same shot as just pressing shoot. Don't find it all that much fun to play. Have a lot more fun playing Pro Evo.

Anyway, you say you are not a fifa fanboy...why should i believe that? your immediate reaction to my postings was to call me a lier - why should i give you the benifit of any doubt if you are so incapable of doing the same yourself?

dionsiseire

Nodoy can argue with the online play problems, thats an issue they are dealing with

but those who genuinely believe that PES 08 is sloppy dont enjoy real football. PES 2008 is the closest they have gotten to a simulation of the real thing so far

The Graphics are much improved on the previous games helping it to come in line with fifa which was always ahead on graphics.

The Gameplay of pro evo is as slick as ever, i find that PES08 flows faster than PES6 and that the ball bounce is more realistic, no more hit shoot and its a great shot, you need to get a good connection with the ball and time the bounce and more.

The AI gets better as you play more the game learns from you. you have to vary your game up and become a better overall player.

I find Fifa 08 to have the usual horrible feel on the ball, and the hit it from anywhere matty taylor mentality. the game does not feel right.

If you honestly feel PES is a bad game, go play fifa because your looking for an arcade game.

Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 is by far and away the best soccer game on any console anywhere and im not a fanboy of any type, my brother owns fifa , and i normally pick up the this is football games when they were being released. Pro Evo for years now has been THE game when it comes to football for so long and it hasnt shifted with this new release.

Once Konami get their asses into gear on this online crap and the game plays freely online i wont even put fifa in the playstation again.

People are entitled to their opinions but those who like fifa like a different kind of game, your not looking for a tough game of footy, your looking for a game you can instantly beat and be good at. the fact that people are not instantly good at pes again this year is whats turning them off it.

Cracking Release, Roll on PES 09

Mitch Connor

dionsiseire wrote: »

Cracking Release, Roll on PES 09

While I enjoy PES more the FIFa, i don't agree with this. Not on the PS3 anyway.

Only 2 divisions in Master League, only 12 base kits, can only import 8 kits, can't edit emblems/sponsors, lack of stadiums, no world tour mode, no random selection match, poor opposition programming - far too defensive and a number of other problems mean it is far from a 'cracking release' imo.

dionsiseire

Those Items you listed are all marked down for improvement in PES2009

Shingo already was discussing it as this games big release was the TeamVision AI which can only get better.

2 Divisions in Master league isnt a big deal. the Kits have always been a pro evo problem

What is this world tour mode? i dont remember it on ps2, are you expecting a feature thats not been there yet?

no random selection match is correct for ps3, but incorrect for ps2, i too am bewildered at the removal of that function, i really did like that feature.

Poor opposition programming - so your saying you cant get goals, is that a testament to the fact that you cant score or that the game is counteracting how you play and your just finding it difficult, thats the whole idea like.

Villain

I gave up posting on this topic and said I'd play both equally for a while and see how I got on.

I still think Fifa is much sharper and the entire game is much better, I loved PES4 and PES5 but Fifa has much clearer graphics well on a hd projector with a 100" screen anyway don't know what it looks like on a standard TV. The online play actually works well most of the time and the gameplay options are much better with full seasons etc.

I know people can become fans of games but anyone with an idependent view will go for Fifa this year imo, oh and that includes my 2 nephews, 13 and 10 they played both on my PS3 before deciding which one they wanted for xmas and both picked FIFA.

Mitch Connor

dionsiseire wrote: »

Those Items you listed are all marked down for improvement in PES2009

Shingo already was discussing it as this games big release was the TeamVision AI which can only get better.

2 Divisions in Master league isnt a big deal. the Kits have always been a pro evo problem

What is this world tour mode? i dont remember it on ps2, are you expecting a feature thats not been there yet?

no random selection match is correct for ps3, but incorrect for ps2, i too am bewildered at the removal of that function, i really did like that feature.

Poor opposition programming - so your saying you cant get goals, is that a testament to the fact that you cant score or that the game is counteracting how you play and your just finding it difficult, thats the whole idea like.

`These items have been marker down for improvement every year but it doesn't happen. We were told after the terrible effort on the 360 last year that this years version would be the definitive HD version of the game, yet they admit they have left stuff out.

The 2 division thing is a big deal for me because they promised more (and apparently delivered on teh PS2 version)

World Tour mode is a scenario mode in the PS2 version, a mode I and other have been crying out for since the original ISS games and teh N64 versions by MajorA. Again, if this years version on PS3/360 was supposed to be definitive as Konami said, it would be in the PS3 version.

Random selection match - it is disgraceful it has not been included in the 'next-gen' versions

As for poor opposition programming, you miss understand me. They are simply far FAR too conservative with the ball. I regularly have games where i will win 3-0 but will finish the match with close to 30% of the possesion, cause the opposition don't try to force themselves on the goal. Regularly, regardless of the score. the CPU will pass it from the keeper to the full back, to the other centre back, to the midfielder, back to the full back, who will then smack it cross field to the other full back and then the cycle will repeat. There are also occasions where they will be in a crossing possition, but rather then try to attack (and potentially lose teh ball, they will pass it back defensively to the back 4 who will then start to knock it around again.

The above happens FAR too much. I could understand it if the CPU was 1-0 up 10 minutes to go, but it a constant issue, they do it from kickoff FFS!! itcan be the 20th simulated minute before i get the ball simply because the opposition will just knock it around the backline while my forwards chase all over the place. THIS IS NOT REALISTIC!

Also, the kits were hardly a problem at all on the ps2 version of the games up to this year, as the edit more was brilliant - i had teams looking perfect (with sponsrs and crests) thanks to people at Evo-Web and PESfan - the editing on the 360 and PS3 versions of the game are absolutely terrible.

NUTZZ

Hey, I only just got my PlayStation 3 yesterday and a copy of PES 2008, my first reaction is extremely disappointing. I have been a PES fan since the ISS times and have everyone of the games so far. First of all, could the menus be any more 'arcadey', I keep waiting for it to say "Insert coin to continue". Dont even got me started on the music. Usually those are things I have never cared about in the past because of PES's superior gameplay, but now it appears it doesn't even have that, yes I'm talking about slowdown, which kills the game, everything is so rough and 'jumpy' it's like playing someone online with a poor connection, ALL THE TIME! Also I think the graphic's are quite poor in it, have you seen 'ginger david beckham' and john Terry who look nothing like there real-life counterparts. Right I'm off to play more to see if there's any positives to be taken or else I'll be doing something I haven't done since 1998, :eek: buying FIFA...I'll leave it there...

dionsiseire

Menu's are much improved over previous year

and the big point which people just dont seem to understand

FIFA have a lock on most facial reproductions and names, which is why pes struggles every year to get the names and likeness's

If beckham is a ginge, its because PES cannot get a license to reproduce his face

What is it with all you people, your finding rough faults that are nothing to do with the game.

The Slowdown doesnt happen on my ps3, ive not had an offline slowdown yet.

Cyrus

no slow down on replays, free kicks or corners?

Sean7

I got FIFA08 with my PS3 and honestly, I'm impressed which, from a die-hard Pro Evo fan, is hard to say. I've only got the PS3 and from what I'm hearing of PES 2008 from people I might not bother buying it and stick with FIFA for the year until they (hopefully) sort out all the bad things I've heard about the new Pro Evo in the next edition.

NUTZZ

dionsiseire wrote: »

Menu's are much improved over previous year

Are you having a laugh? The menu's are appalling, reminiscent of the sega megadrive era, which was fine back then but this is the next gen console. I know its a small part of the game, but it is the first interaction we have with it.

dionsiseire wrote: »

Slowdown doesnt happen on my ps3, ive not had an offline slowdown yet.

Its not a case of slowdown happening on some console's and not on others, its happening full stop due to terrible frame rate issues

Helix

dionsiseire wrote: »

If you honestly feel PES is a bad game, go play fifa because your looking for an arcade game.

pes 08 is the more arcadey of the 2, by a mile

torqdj

i have to say i never thought a PES fan would ever say fifa was better

dionsiseire

Cyrus wrote: »

no slow down on replays, free kicks or corners?

None

pes 08 is the more arcadey of the 2, by a mile

Entitled to your opinion but honestly i dont believe fifa feels in any way realistic

Are you having a laugh? The menu's are appalling, reminiscent of the sega megadrive era, which was fine back then but this is the next gen console. I know its a small part of the game, but it is the first interaction we have with it.

What exactly is wrong with them???? are they too shiney, too dull, too many clicks to get what you want? define how they relate to a 32 bit era in any way? give me exactly of what you are talking about because from here it just sounds like your being bitter and picking on things without giving reasons.

give me reasons and we can discuss how relevant they are.

Its not a case of slowdown happening on some console's and not on others, its happening full stop due to terrible frame rate issues

I have suffered no slowdown or framerate issue's on my PS3 playing PES2008 or any other game so far. So its not happening full stop, its happening on some, but not mine.

Villain

Blinded by the light......

Cyrus

dionsiseire wrote: »

None



Entitled to your opinion but honestly i dont believe fifa feels in any way realistic



What exactly is wrong with them???? are they too shiney, too dull, too many clicks to get what you want? define how they relate to a 32 bit era in any way? give me exactly of what you are talking about because from here it just sounds like your being bitter and picking on things without giving reasons.

give me reasons and we can discuss how relevant they are.



I have suffered no slowdown or framerate issue's on my PS3 playing PES2008 or any other game so far. So its not happening full stop, its happening on some, but not mine.

sorry dion i cannot believe that replays run at a normal framerate on your ps3, you must be the only person in the world, either that or you dont notice it and you need a CAT scan (joke!)

seriously i want this to be brilliant, been waitin ever since i bought the ps3 but the frame rate is killing it for me

Xavi6

Pro Evo is still better imo. Everyone raved about PES 5 and it has improved since then with 6 and now 2008. I think FIFA has caught up alright but not near the level of PES.

dionsiseire

They honestly flow as normal

you guys do know there are different camera's for replays that run differently

have you tried that?

Unearthly

dionsiseire wrote: »

They honestly flow as normal

you guys do know there are different camera's for replays that run differently

have you tried that?

Irrelevant

There is still slowdown in the game

As for which is more like an arcade game, I thought it was quite clear Pro Evo is now

dionsiseire

no way, pro evo the player reactions and flow of the game, the bounce of the ball, the way the ball bobbles along some surfaces

its far more realistic

Unearthly

It feels like a game of pinball at times with Pro Evo, the pace is way too fast aswell. In Pro Evo you can split a defence with like 3 passes

Still great fun though

WellyJ

FIFA seems more realistic to people who actually dont know anything about football.

Any REAL football fans that appreciate the sport itself and understand it know that PES is a lot closer to it than FIFA.

So often while playing PES myself and my friends will remark how realistic a passage of play was. It often looks exactly like a real game. Not graphically, but the animation, the movement of the football itself, the reactions of players etc.

FIFA never looks realistic or plays realistic. It is definitely easier to pick up and play and score cracking goals. But while that satisfies the masses of moronic gamers that dont know football, PES is there for people who want a realistic interpretation of the sport.

Unearthly

WellyJ wrote: »

FIFA seems more realistic to people who actually dont know anything about football.

Any REAL football fans that appreciate the sport itself and understand it know that PES is a lot closer to it than FIFA.

So often while playing PES myself and my friends will remark how realistic a passage of play was. It often looks exactly like a real game. Not graphically, but the animation, the movement of the football itself, the reactions of players etc.

FIFA never looks realistic or plays realistic. It is definitely easier to pick up and play and score cracking goals. But while that satisfies the masses of moronic gamers that dont know football, PES is there for people who want a realistic interpretation of the sport.

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Helix

WellyJ wrote: »

FIFA seems more realistic to people who actually dont know anything about football.

oh dear

lol

WellyJ wrote: »

Any REAL football fans that appreciate the sport itself and understand it know that PES is a lot closer to it than FIFA.

pes entered the realm of massively high scoring games and stupidly unrealistic pace with its new incarnation, hardly the stuff of sims

WellyJ wrote: »

So often while playing PES myself and my friends will remark how realistic a passage of play was. It often looks exactly like a real game. Not graphically, but the animation, the movement of the football itself, the reactions of players etc.

you should actually try playing fifa 08, its the same, except not dosed up on speed

FIFA never looks realistic or plays realistic.[/quote]

again youve clearly not played 08

WellyJ wrote: »

It is definitely easier to pick up and play and score cracking goals.

no its not. it used to be yes, in fact last years fifa was one of the worst games ive ever played. this years, however, is not

WellyJ wrote: »

But while that satisfies the masses of moronic gamers that dont know football, PES is there for people who want a realistic interpretation of the sport.

no, pes is now there for people who will blindly buy a game because of the name on the cover, and who wont entertain the possibility of the developers making a balls of it this year, because for some reason they have the opinion that a series of games is infallible, and like supporting a footie team, you have to stick by it and brush over all its faults

as a series pes pwns the **** outta fifa, this year, konami made a balls of it and fifa improved infinitely

for the last 4 incarnations of each before this year, i had both games, and i played both regularly, pes pretty much always came out on top in terms of realism... up until this year.

stop being a fanboy and try giving the new fifa a go, and if not stop basing your opinions about this years game on games that have gone before it, because youre pissing on your own argument by showing you havent actually played the game

why people wouldnt want 2 class football games to play instead of 1 is bloody well beyond me