Classic Army Steyr Aug A1 discussion

Fiach Dubh

Nice review

The AUG is a lovely gun. I'll probably pick one up myself at some stage.

Dave!

I had a go of your Steyr, Liam! Have to say I was impressed too. I had never used a scope before, but after looking through the one on the AUG, I feel I need to have one on the oul FAMAS! It makes things alot easier.

I only banged a few shots at the helmets near the safe zone, but I enjoyed it. A worthwile investment!

EyesOnly

yeah thats the first thing i checked on it, easy to see through.

Oh and i keep getting "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

chalky

Hmm...
Was gonna get the JG Steyr (Eventually) but I may splash out and get this if I can afford it.

whupass

i used it for a lot of the second game and loved it, i have to get one soon

Spitfire666

somebody had a UNCompany Custom AUG with them up there. it was black and had a shorter barrel and a VERY nice scope. didnt get to shoot it but it felt very nice.

liamo333

Update: .2g bb's at 30 feet full-auto do i ned to circle the holes:D
Attachment not found.

Dave!

liamo333 wrote:

Update: .2g bb's at 30 feet full-auto do i ned to circle the holes:D
Attachment not found.

hmmm, that image is a dead link again. Do you attach the links, then edit in some <.img> tags, and then delete the attachments?

liamo333

Try it again i edited it to make it smaller unfortunatly i cannot edit the orignal post to make the images smaller, mabey o1s1n will let me do that?

Captain Chaos

How did you get a BB gun delivered to here?, I tried before from UK site and they say they cannot deliver to ROI as bb guns are illegal here.

I tried to get a Glock 17 and Sig P229 with a suppressor.

o1s1n

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055003480

Read the rest of the forum too. There is a wealth of information now.

Captain Chaos

o1s1n wrote:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055003480

Read the rest of the forum too. There is a wealth of information now.

Thanks for the link. It was around a year ago I placed the order with a UK company which I now forget the name of, a few days later I get an e-mail telling me that my order is cancelled due to bb's being illegal.

The legality post cleared that up, thanks.

o1s1n

Yeah a year ago that would have happened. Since August everything under 1 joule is nice and legal without a license.

I still can't believe it myself. Been waiting for this for so long. Had pretty much come to the conclusion that it would never happen.

Captain Chaos

Does anyone know if anyone makes the Steyr AUG A3? I have seen the Marui A2 version but I can't find an A3 anywhere.

Also is the FN SCAR-L/H out anywhere yet? I like the look of that weapon. The SCAR-H CQC is the dogs.

liamo333

http://www.uncompany.com/ sell the aug a3 go to custom guns and then go to aug. BTW they start at 615us!

Fiach Dubh

Captain Chaos wrote:

Does anyone know if anyone makes the Steyr AUG A3? I have seen the Marui A2 version but I can't find an A3 anywhere.

Also is the FN SCAR-L/H out anywhere yet? I like the look of that weapon. The SCAR-H CQC is the dogs.

www.rsov.com has the JLS FN SCAR in Black or Tan. I ordered a black one, it arrived in Ireland on Friday. Now I'll be waiting anywhere up to 2 weeks while it rests in Portlaoise custom's dungeon

Skatedude

the delivery guy will probably be covered in bb bruises

o1s1n

As far as I know, the gardai don't have the means to test them. There is a ballistics lab in The Phoenix Park. But do you really think every AEG is going to be sent off there? Not likely.

I'd say they open them up and make sure they're not actual firearms. There is probably a large backlog of items which have to be looked at. So your AEGs end up sitting there waiting in line to be checked.

Skatedude

i think its more of a case of, hmm a gun, better take a closer look to make sure its not real, and then sits there until someone gets around to it

o1s1n

Locked.

Mweelrea

Jing gong now make the army version with the 1.5x zoom at a fraction of the price of the CA one

DisasterIRL

Yeah anyone had any incounters with these, I am most likely going to be getting one on friday, so let me know asap, please:D

OzCam

The general consensus is that the Classic Army used to be better, and that Jing Gong used to be built down to a price, but their respective positions have changed completely.

JG have upped their game remarkably, and CA have gone to the dogs. The JG AUG is now reckoned to be much better than the CA one. FWIW, the CA has pretty good trademarks.

Note that the "tongue" at the top of the front grip on the CA is made from the same low-temperature casting as the rest of the barrel. This part is nowhere near strong enough and is quite likely to break at any time - even in normal use. It happened to me, and I'm very easy on hardware generally.

There's a market there for someone to make that part in steel or brass, I'd certainly pay for one. It's basically just a drilled and chamfered tube. Any metalwork students want to take that up?

NakedDex

CA = overpriced pants
JG = half the price for twice the unit

There are still CA fanbois floating about who seem blinkered and oblivious to CAs failings and only remember the good points of how they used to be. I have a couple of CA G36's, one from about two and a half years back and another from about a year ago. The difference is shocking, the older one still works rather well but the newer one has had a full replacement of all internals. Not even the gearbox case remains. Ironically for this thread, I stuck a JG box into it about six months ago and it hasn't given trouble since.
The only thing the CA A1 has going for it are the trades along the receiver. Not really worth the extra 200 slackers for some text imprinted on the stock.

ED E

Yeah, the old CAs are nice(I have an A1:)) but all the new CA stuff is sh1te.

Wish JG and Eirsoft existed when I bought mine(2006).

DisasterIRL

Well thanks to everyone for their quick replies, reassuring to know I was going for the right unit :D:D

irishlostboy

just want to add to this; if your are getting the jg aug A1, get it chrono'd ASAP. got mine from tony a few weeks ago. got it chrono'd at the gathering3, and it was way too hot. had to turn the hop-up fully up to get it play-with-able, which of course made a mess of its aim. apart from that, it is great kit for buttons money.

horgan_p

irishlostboy wrote: »

just want to add to this; if your are getting the jg aug A1, get it chrono'd ASAP. got mine from tony a few weeks ago. got it chrono'd at the gathering3, and it was way too hot. had to turn the hop-up fully up to get it play-with-able, which of course made a mess of its aim. apart from that, it is great kit for buttons money.

Best thing to do is contact tony and get it downgraded.
on a seperate note , you wouldnt have been left play with it in cork , aegs are chroned onsite with the hop all the way OFF

irishlostboy

horgan_p wrote: »

Best thing to do is contact tony and get it downgraded.
on a seperate note , you wouldnt have been left play with it in cork , aegs are chroned onsite with the hop all the way OFF

thanks for the info. i am gona go out to him shortly and get him to take a look at it for me. sort out some niggly problems. thanks for the info regards cork. it makes sense to chrono with hop-up off, as this will give the most true max velocity. i not complaining mind. the marshals were just bein nice, fiddling with things so they pass the chrono somehow. not uber-correct, but better than leaving people sitting on the sidelines all day. shame they are not chroned at point of sale. could save a lot of potential hassle and add another good point to buying locally.

Shiva

irishlostboy wrote: »

just want to add to this; if your are getting the jg aug A1, get it chrono'd ASAP. got mine from tony a few weeks ago. got it chrono'd at the gathering3, and it was way too hot. had to turn the hop-up fully up to get it play-with-able, which of course made a mess of its aim. apart from that, it is great kit for buttons money.

Bring it or send it back to be fixed.

Shiva

irishlostboy wrote: »

shame they are not chroned at point of sale. could save a lot of potential hassle and add another good point to buying locally.

They are.....You must have gotten one that was overlooked.

Anyone who wants to is welcome to take a look in our stockroom, at the huge pile of guns that have the word "CHECKED" written on the side of the box in big red letters. I've been spot checked by the Gardaí on a few occasions and never had a problem.

No offence...I understand you got a dud and must have been annoyed, but I'd appreciate if you'd get your facts straight before posting BS like that on a public forum.

irishlostboy

well that is good to know. naturally i assumed that they were not checked out before sale, as in most businesses (meaning non-airsoft) this would not be the norm. i didn't intend that as being rude. i just said it as a suggestion, not knowing that it was already in place. as there is no information on whether or not testing is the norm, and as i had gotten one that was a bit over the top, i naturally assumed wrongly. apart from that i have no complaints about the aeg. and i never had any complaints about tony's service in the first place.
i will pop out this week sometime with my aug to have it toned down a wee bit. thanks.

Shiva

irishlostboy wrote: »

well that is good to know. naturally i assumed that they were not checked out before sale, as in most businesses (meaning non-airsoft) this would not be the norm. i didn't intend that as being rude. i just said it as a suggestion, not knowing that it was already in place. as there is no information on whether or not testing is the norm, and as i had gotten one that was a bit over the top, i naturally assumed wrongly. apart from that i have no complaints about the aeg. and i never had any complaints about tony's service in the first place.
i will pop out this week sometime with my aug to have it toned down a wee bit. thanks.

No problem - we'll have you sorted in double quick time.

My apologies for the sharp retort...I'm a little touchy when it comes to this subject

irishlostboy

Shiva wrote: »

No problem - we'll have you sorted in double quick time.

My apologies for the sharp retort...I'm a little touchy when it comes to this subject

no problems. it is understandable. will have it out asap.

TheDoc

hehe, Galway doesnt like AEG's from Dublin.

Member my first gathering i brought my JG G36c which in HRTA was coming in at 280-290...then down at GTAC was coming in at 400+.

They wouldnt let me use it so I went away, someone said go back again. I did, and without any changes to my AEG, came in 300.

Fruit for thought

Tigger

time dialation
only explination

kevteljeur

For the benefit of the audience: I had this problem (along with a large number of players from Dublin) at G-Tac too, at the Gathering - the apparent jump in power is caused by the difference in atmospheric conditions between Dublin and Galway, as bizarre as it sounds. You stand a very good chance of finding that when you test it in Eirsoft or anywhere else in Dublin, that your AEG is chronoing back under 1 joule. This is what happened with many of us, and the only way you can safeguard against it is to keep your output about 5% below 1J. This is to say, to be under 1J in Galway you might need a weaker spring.

The time of day, light, temperature, air pressure all make a small difference, but a few percent can put you comfortably over the limit.

I'm surprised at your experience in Galway at G-Tac, irishlostboy, I would say they've accounted for potential differences and I doubt that you were chronoing too far over to be let out into the field; Martin and the gang are very safety conscious and I doubt he'll be happy to read any of this. Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go, I'm not.

irishlostboy

once the hop-up was fiddled with i chronoed a few points under the needed amount to play. a few people were chronoed WAY above the limit and couldn't use their own guns. i cannot remember how much i was over with the hop up not on. i will definately be getting it sorted out with a weaker spring or some such so i can play in the west.
i didn't say any of this to piss anyone off or cause trouble. just as a noob i wanted to point out what my experiance with my aug was. admitedly, my aeg had spent the night in the cold, was chronoed early in the morning, etc. personally, i think that i am going to have to get my hands dirty and figure out all the working parts of my aeg, so if this problem arises again i can deal with it myself. i dont want to go for a game somewhere and find i have to sit it out due to the atmospheric variances.

MAD Ozzie

Are you lot talking about hot-air balloons or AEG's?? These things are tested in HK,UK and the USA, where is the science to back that up??????????? (atmospheric variances)

I would love to here some expert say that, ask around the world and get the facts first, and please SHOW ALL OF US. (Please prove me wrong) And ill eat my Kings Arms FN-FAL.

1+ Cheep AEG +1 Cheep chrono = over the top reading. Up and down all the time.(Where ever you go) in the world!!

1 TM AEG and 1 good chrono, same every where, give or take 5-10fps, but still under 1J
We are all Noobs at this sport in Ireland.
So where the hell do you people come up with the info, (out ya asses I say)
Pm me the data, and ill edit the post, and make my apologies.!!

Now this is not a dig at Tony or Irishlostboy, as I of all people understand what you both have gone through, and going through, as im involved in a shop and a site, and im sick to death with downgrades, and fixing cheep AEG's because they are porly made like JG, Dboys, and the list goes on...

But that is the best bit of BS ive heard in a long time..(Maby a new chrono is needed in Galway), as Cork has had no probs with Dub players and there AEG's.
Yes the weather can make a small difference to the chrono, but not like 30-60fps over.

Back on topic, the new JG's are getting better, and the AUG would be the best of em, but most still need downgrading.

kevteljeur

MAD Ozzie wrote: »

Are you lot talking about hot-air balloons or AEG's?? These things are tested in HK,UK and the USA, where is the science to back that up??????????? (atmospheric variances)

I would love to here some expert say that, ask around the world and get the facts first, and please SHOW ALL OF US. (Please prove me wrong) And ill eat my Kings Arms FN-FAL.

1+ Cheep AEG +1 Cheep chrono = over the top reading. Up and down all the time.(Where ever you go) in the world!!

1 TM AEG and 1 good chrono, same every where, give or take 5-10fps, but still under 1J
We are all Noobs at this sport in Ireland.
So where the hell do you people come up with the info, (out ya asses I say)
Pm me the data, and ill edit the post, and make my apologies.!!

Now this is not a dig at Tony or Irishlostboy, as I of all people understand what you both have gone through, and going through, as im involved in a shop and a site, and im sick to death with downgrades, and fixing cheep AEG's because they are porly made like JG, Dboys, and the list goes on...

But that is the best bit of BS ive heard in a long time..(Maby a new chrono is needed in Galway), as Cork has had no probs with Dub players and there AEG's.
Yes the weather can make a small difference to the chrono, but not like 30-60fps over.

Back on topic, the new JG's are getting better, and the AUG would be the best of em, but most still need downgrading.

MAD Ozzie, it's not BS, and I take issue with you saying we (and by that you mean me, since I'm the one who brought it up) are talking out of our asses. A number of us had the problem, with AEGs that had been tested shortly before in Dublin coming in with a 10% increase in power over in Galway. To prove the point, the next day, in the morning, the same AEGs were coming in at up to 10% weaker. It's small variance but enough to put an AEG over. As the day warmed up, the FPS count started climbing until we were back where we were the previous day. And this wasn't an issue with AEGs being far over the limit due to being over-powered. We've seen it in Dublin to a much smaller degree. And you can try it yourself, chrono your kit in the morning when it's colder, and then again when it's warmer a good few hours later.

The discussion was had and closed in PMs as opposed to a thread here, a number of us discussed it since it affected a good number of people who went to the Gathering. I'm happy to say that I'm no expert but that was where we left it.

TheDoc

Yes the weather can make a small difference to the chrono, but not like 30-60fps over.

I'm not expert on chroning either. But from what I have heard, if direct sunlight hits a chrono it gives ridiculous readings.

Like I said, my JG G36c came in at 400+ at Gather2.

If something is chrono'd outside then its going to be inaccurate, but I think if we want to have a discussion we should take it to a new thread.

But Ozzi a simple search of airsoft forums, around the world, will tell you that Chonoing guns outdoors...will give inaccurate readings...fact.

As regards to your comment on "poorly" made Jing Gong and DBoys... I find that a peculiar statement. I'm not in anyway saying I'm an expert in internals, but I do have the joy of working with one of the best. And I very much value his opinion. Although clones have their problems, dboys and jing gong are extremely reliable makes.

And alot of Classic army users out there have dumped their CA gearbox and put in a DBOYS one because of their good performance.

The Jing Gong AUG is a great investment. Anything JG is going to be a good performer and mostly reliable.

Jing Gong have moved past the clone level and moving into the middle class of AEG's. But any JG aug, especially their AUG A3, is a solid investment. Just read Kev's review on the JG AUG3..and this is a good step above the previous aug versions.

ED E

Kevs speaking the truth. It was madness. We had 320's chronoing at 360! I'd say that could well be cause of the lad aboves problems.

MAD, you're the one BSing I'm afraid.

Masada

+1 there to kev.

I'm surprised by your completely irrational post Ozzie, id usually be of the opinion that you'd know what your talking about, but you obviously don't. As far as I'm aware you were at GTAC the last time when there was a huge number of people having problems with chrono readings including myself. i was using a JG G36c that reads 300fps both in HRTA and in the shop. yet it gave me 345-360 in GTAC.

I ended up having to cut the spring since I wasn't prepared for any problems with being over the limit.

It is a problem, it does exist. and i know more than a handful of people who have been caught out by it.

irishlostboy

man it is obviously a TOUCHY subject, (and i guess with reason. law etc) i didn't mean to stir up the hive like this. can anyone recomend some good vids or tuts on how to maintain/ modify my aeg? i am very good with technical stuff generally, and if things are as vtec etc says (and he seems to be the tech guy around here so will take his word for it, no offence to anyone else) it might be an idea to take a seperate spring?
sorry for taking things WAY off topic. it was not my intention. :eek: thanks for the info from folks though.

Shiva

irishlostboy wrote: »

man it is obviously a TOUCHY subject, (and i guess with reason. law etc) i didn't mean to stir up the hive like this. can anyone recomend some good vids or tuts on how to maintain/ modify my aeg? i am very good with technical stuff generally, and if things are as vtec etc says (and he seems to be the tech guy around here so will take his word for it, no offence to anyone else) it might be an idea to take a seperate spring?
sorry for taking things WAY off topic. it was not my intention. :eek: thanks for the info from folks though.

Welcome to Airsoft, my friend - We aren't happy unless we're arguing

www.mechbox.com is a great place for video tutorials on gearbox maintenance. Theres lots of other resources out there too - Google will throw thousands at you.

Hivemind187

I'm going to put this here and let Keith or Dex or one of the others who has investigated this phenomenon clarify the specifics of the science.

1) Chronographs used in Airsoft are not calibrated in a manner that can be checked so there is always the possibility of large variations in readings between different devices.

2) Chronographs work on the principal of two light beams being broken in sucession to give you a spead reading. If there is mabeint interference from another light source, this will disrupt the readings in the box due to a number of different photosentitive affects (reflection and refraction at the intersection of beams of light).

3) Chronographs measure the speed of an object travelling through am medium, in most cases dry air. However, should the air not be dry (e.g. higher humidity) you will see an alteration in speed due to high friction with molecules in the air. Dont believe me? Try using a chronograph in your bathroom after a shower, the moisture in the air will cause you to get a lower readiing that you usually would.

4) Chronographs measuring velocities used in Hong Kong are going to give you different readings than they would in Ireland. Hong Kongs ambient temperatures and general humidity are higher than Ireland ergo the velocities will be presented differently. On hot dry days they will chrono higher, on warm humid days they will chrono lower (simplified).

Each of these can be shown to be true by using the same chrono in different venue locations such as the Galway/Dublin paradox. The first Gathering saw a number of individuals bringing their own chrono kit (Defender Dude being one of them). This was how we knew that a peculiar interence was taking place because that chrono had been used in Dublin to take readings and was now giving higher readings in Galway without alteration to it's components.

The evidence provides for four alternatives.

1) That the chronograph readings were being interfereed with by atmospheric conditions.

2) That a huge number of players had decided, simoultaneously, to alter their kit to exceed the joule en route from Dublin and Cork.

3) That the chronographs spontaneously developed conciousness and mutually agreed by telepathy to **** about with the readings in Galway.

4) A wizard did it.

Application of Occams razor suggestions that the first one is most likely requiring the fewest assumptions.

/handing it over to people who can do math now.

TheDoc

I'd strongly advise enver to use a chrono in a bathroom ..espeically after shower :P

But thats a good read

gandalf

Lads I suggest that some of you try and cool down and not be as confrontational about this topic.

MacAonghusa

Hivemind187 wrote: »

The evidence provides for four alternatives.

May I just interject here and remind readers of the commonality of druids in the Galway area indeed throughout the province of Connacht? This is evidenced in a multitude of place/street/building names in the region. With that I mind I wouldn't rule out #4. :P


As for the Steyr, can I recommend the following to Aug fans:

- SA80 Sling: they're the absolute biz and work very well on a Steyr IMO. (also on a G36C btw)

- Laylax Aug side rail: too expensive for me unfortunately (due to shipping) but it's the only Aug rail i've managed to find and looks deadly.
http://www.tokyohobby.net/store/product_details.php?p=154

One thing I need to get for my Aug is a way of mounting a 20mm rail on top of the built in sight. I have a few ideas of my own but if anyone has any good ideas i'm all ears.
I also need a way of mounting a monocle to the sight but might just go with a simple universal barrel mount.


Edit: I keep hearing bad things about the CA Aug yet my own works flawlessly. What is wrong with them and what needs to be fixed? i.e. is there something I can easily change (w/o massive expense) to address the problems people have with them?

TheDoc

Mac Attack, I think its just certain batches, I'm not expert. But if we go on a time scale, it seems certain items bought from Ca in the past few months, havnt had the same durability as they had before.

Although there are obvious exceptions, some items are still flawless, some however are not.

MacAonghusa

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

Mac Attack

Why didn't I think of that; i'll have to use it.

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I think its just certain batches, I'm not expert. But if we go on a time scale, it seems certain items bought from Ca in the past few months, havnt had the same durability as they had before.

Got mine from MIA in June. No issues so far but it's hasn't even had 1000 bbs through it yet. Only changed the hop-up cos I assumed the rest was solid.