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Balbriggan Area - Crime, Amenities & Community

  • 08-11-2007 12:23pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭


    MOD NOTE: The following posts have been split off from the Parking at Balbriggan Railway station thread as a feel it would be a good discussion in it's own right (and so do some of ye given the amount of off-topic posts there :p)



    I could rant away for hours on the level of crime, under resourced area and general community feeling (ie none) that this little town has.

    Bring back Callaghan (dirty harry) type Garda- Id prefer a racist, sadistic, trigger happy mo fo on our streets on the strict arm of law any day.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    Oh thats just tip of iceberg suzy I have had massive trouble with one neighbour in area, shops overcharging in the town and amount of potholes is driving me mad. Had to buy two tires in past and found out due another two just before christmas, ie now.

    Though I do love my first house - ahh the price you pay for housing is not just financial.
    Stress


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭SuzyS1972


    Hmm a certain Petrol station is a major rip off anyway.

    I don't really shop in the town so I can't comment but I am the type of person who puts stuff back if it's over-priced.
    I don't care what anyone thinks.

    Gave a fella in a shop on O'connell Street back his 84 cent packet of KP Skips yesterday !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    SuzyS1972 wrote: »
    Hmm a certain Petrol station is a major rip off anyway.
    I don't know of any garages in the town who don't display their (fuel)prices on their forecourt? So kindly exactly to me how is a particular garage a rip off? You the consumer decide to pay the price, you are not forced. If your talking about prices inside the garage shop, once again your not forced to purchase anything without firstly knowing the price.

    There is a reason that one garage in the town charges a few cent more for fuel than the others, I won't go into it but it's a long standing agreement with the other two garages in the town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    LouOB wrote: »
    shops overcharging in the town and amount of potholes


    I meant that shop in the town would display one price and then charge diff at till. Yes i have gone back in the get 'refund' of difference. But the amount of times I have had to go back is silly now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭SuzyS1972


    I mean it's a rip off that say for example their fuel is 1.25 a litre ( not the exact figure ) and another station is only 1.19 - yes I am aware they display their prices and I have decided not to buy there because I can get petrol in Tesco for 1.12 .

    Akin to buying a ham sandwich for 4.50 when you can get the exact same product next door for 3.50 - thats what I classify as a rip off.

    I am only new to the town and HAD to get petrol there on my first day - this particular station is the closest to my house and not knowing there were 2 other stations in the town I paid what I considered to be over the odds.- I was on the fumes and had no choice - not like buying a loaf of bread ya know - it was do or walk to Blackrock :p

    As I've said in my post I don't pay what I feel are over the odds - I would make a decision not to purchase if I feel a price is overstated.

    Thanks for the heads up on the price fixing going on - is it some " local " secret.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    SuzyS1972 wrote: »
    I am only new to the town and HAD to get petrol there on my first day - this particular station is the closest to my house and not knowing there were 2 other stations in the town I paid what I considered to be over the odds.- I was on the fumes and had no choice - not like buying a loaf of bread ya know - it was do or walk to Blackrock :p
    Aside from your definition of ripped off differing to mine, it amazes me that someone would move into a town and either buy or rent without knowing what amenities exist. Are you really leading me to believe that you moved into a town without seeing what was on it's main street (3 garages)?

    By the way the train would have brought you to Blackrock, the one one in South County Dublin that is, the Blackrock in Balbriggan you could have walked too :D

    Welcome to the town ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭SuzyS1972


    Bluetonic course I did - I have a fair idea whats on the main street and around etc - you know yourself you don't take in every shop and that when you view an area.
    Actually reading that back I am fibbing I did know there was a Texaco but it being the far end of the town to me I wouldn;t have made it -
    Is the 3rd petrol station quite a new one - I have seen this subsequently alright ..

    Also I come in the 2nd exit off the Motorway so very rarely come thru the main street !


    Thanks - I'm sure in time I'll get to know everything .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    SuzyS1972 wrote: »
    Is the 3rd petrol station quite a new one - I have seen this subsequently alright
    It's been there years, it was just rebuilt around 5 years ago, it's a bit of a tight squeeze around the forecourt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    Blue you not being nice to newcomer in town. She needs support as details above have been shock to system. God if someone had let me on the workings of town before stuff happened to be id be delighted.Suz might not of had choice re move.
    Also it is nice to let in on info re town ie dogy prices and garages and scum at train station.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    LouOB wrote: »
    Blue you not being nice to newcomer in town.
    In the words of the Virgin Mary, come again?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    There is a reason that one garage in the town charges a few cent more for fuel than the others, I won't go into it but it's a long standing agreement with the other two garages in the town.

    That is 100% illegal, and if you have information, bring it to the attention of the Competition Authority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    testicle wrote: »
    That is 100% illegal, and if you have information, bring it to the attention of the Competition Authority.
    Competition Authority :rolleyes: I won't be contacting anyone, I hope this helps.

    Chinafoot - good idea :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭wow sierra


    I paid €1.74 a litre (yes I am not kidding!!!) for Petrol in Dublin city centre last week. Its a convenient location and 24 hours and like Suzy above I was on fumes so I didn't mind (too much:mad:). Needless to say I only got enough to get home. If I was annoyed at the time it was 100% with myself for not filling up on time and not at the legitimate business which is entitled to charge what it likes. I don't know how people can lose sleep over the price of petrol in Balbriggan - just go to the other one the next time:confused: Or if you are really enthusiastic the one up the road in Gormanstown is very cheap.

    I hope there aren't too many people on here who don't realise there are sound business reasons why Tesco petrol is cheaper, and it has f**k all to do with not ripping off the customer - they aren't in the charity business:rolleyes:.

    In general I find Balbriggan safer and cheaper than most areas in Dublin and as regards a Community spirit - I moved here knowing noone and barely knowing where Balbriggan was and I find it a great place to live. I know some other peoples experience isn't as positive but I can only speak for myself. What is happening at the train station sounds disgraceful - the guards/station management should be taking it seriously. My car has been broken into I think its four times since I moved here at this stage, the last time a few weeks ago, and it is really irritating but none of these breakins happened in Balbriggan.!! The little scumbags are everywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭aniascor


    I have to agree that in general I have found Balbriggan to be very safe and a nice place to live. The estate I live in is quiet, my neighbours all seem nice, and we've never had any hassle there. We've got potted plants sitting outside our front door, and nothing ever happens to them. I couldn't imagine them lasting five minutes down at the station!

    All of my problems with crime and the only place I've ever felt unsafe in the town was down at the train station. I'd have no problem walking home at nighttime around here, but wouldn't like to have to wait down at the station for the last train when it's dark. Too many kids hang out there. (Saying that makes me feel old...:()

    I think that Balbriggan is letting its youngest generation down badly. We all know the fiasco with the schools. I know that not every child in the town is down vandalising bikes and cars at the train station in their spare time, but the fact is that there are quite a few hanging out there, and unless something is done to turn them away from this petty crime now, there will be one or two from each group who see the fact that there is no deterrent and no punishment from doing this, and it will ease them into "bigger and better" crimes later on in their lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    Totally agree aniascor. My own estate is quiet but along of cars in area have been broken into, vandalised and stolen. There have also been a good few burnt out cars in surrounding roads of estate.
    There is a youth centre in the town, a cinema, train and bus to local shopping centres, a beach, tennis courts in Balrothery, lovely country back roads for walks and cycles. Come on - certain blame has to land on the parents who bring up children that find damaging others property is acceptable behaviour. Sure some of the parents prob think - sure I did it myself when I was young and it didnt do me any harm - wtf!!!!!

    Boyfr coined a phrase I like - circle of flith


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    Crime - There are so many kids and teenagers allowed run riot around the town and so many parents that don't seem to care,but there are also kids that really just have nothing to do and as a result end up hanging around street corners etc.
    I have also noticed that it isn't just kids causing issues,I have seen adults lighting fires,drinking cans and being disruptive in public among other things.

    Amenities - The town has a community centre,a few school,some supermarkets,pubs and a cinema and most importantly the train.

    Community - I haven't noticed any great sense of community,despite making an effort to but I have found some people to be nice and friendly.

    All in all compared to other places nearer to town with similar priced houses it really isn't a bad place to buy a house.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    For all you newcomers welcome to Balbriggan ;) I have lived in Balbriggan for 30 odd years now and have seen the massive changes of the 90s up to the present.
    As for crime in Balbriggan, it has always been this way, it only increased with the population. The community (old balbriggan) was never very tight, areas were very insular(bath road, pinewood,fancourt, derham park, balrothery all had there own agenda) and with the exception of a couple the town council was/is made up of characters rather than usefull public servents ( popularity depending on which pub they frequented (often)) or now what boss you have,,,,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    What you have to realise about balbriggan is that for a generation before the present community (new balbrigganersss, welcome again, great to see the gene pool expanded) came into existence Balbriggan was a small town, its only amenities were pubs and the drinking culture was instilled into us at an early age.
    Balbriggan has a serious problem, there is nothing for the kids (this is no different to any commuter town created in the past 10/15 years), and a lot of parent have no choice but to work long hours to keep up with the jones; the youth always get ignored untill they cause trouble and then its thier fault????
    Anyway as far as I can see the problems of Balbriggan are similiar to many towns and there is nothing anyone can do about it
    Except bringing Lester back:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭clg23


    Where is the cheapest petrol in and around the brig?

    There has been an extra 20 or so Gardai stationed in balbriggan now so hopefully this may improve the Anti Social behaviour although I have to say I have seen very little around the town. The only time I have seen trouble is outside deli burger at 3am on a fri/sat and any break ins/criminal damage I have heard of seems to be the same family involved (I wont give their name but any locals will know who I am speaking about)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    clg23 wrote: »
    Where is the cheapest petrol in and around the brig?
    The Apple garages on the R132 at Gormo.

    There is a new Apple garage being built at the M1 business park, zone C (currently under construction)

    www.m1.ie/zones/
    its only amenities were pubs and the drinking culture was instilled into us at an early age.
    I think you are forgetting at least about the numerous sports clubs, GAA, Football * 3, Tennis, Cricket etc..,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Bluetonic wrote: »

    I think you are forgetting at least about the numerous sports clubs, GAA, Football * 3, Tennis, Cricket etc..,

    The auld memory is not the best our lad, must be all the tennis,

    Jokes aside, do you really think that joining a football team or playing tennis(god forbid) is going to prevent a teenager from drinking and general rowdy behaviour at the weekend.

    "Yes" "yes" I know your point was I said that there are no amenities for the kids in Balbriggan, knowing you were lurking with your usual smart comment I should have expanded my view a bit more.

    What about the kids who dont want to play football, Gealic and TENNIS. The skateboarders, graffitti art enthusiasts, swimmers etc etc etc. I know most young lads love a bit of football but when they get to 15-17yo these teams start getting a bit more serious, more training, only a certain amount can play in the team etc. were can teenagers go just to let of a bit of steam. no pressure?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    A. the train station for the quick adrenalin buzz (wrong as it may be, were else does it come from, teenagers) of vandalism etc, cans on the stony beach, magic mushrooms and in some cases fighting on the street.

    Some out of the box thinking is needed nowadays, not some old GAA esk attitude that an interest in a sport(football) is the way to keep the kids of today away from crime and general divelment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    knowing you were lurking with your usual smart comment I should have expanded my view a bit more.
    Maybe you could expand that one a bit more. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    Please refer to previous comments , its not only the kids to blame

    Parents take no responsibility for their children in the area who actively cause damage and upset in the community. Its tolerated that the minorty cause this damage and ill feeling because the parents are not held accountable.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    Personally I think it is up to us the people living there to try and make the difference and change things.
    A lot easier said then done but with it is worth the effort.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    Garda laugh a you
    Kids want to kick your head in, steal or smash up your car.
    Their parents dont care.
    If you have any ideas how to make a difference pls share?

    Last time I knew viligantism is against the law


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    For Graffitti artists, something I've seen in Germany was an area designated as a 'Free Wall'. An out of the way wall where these little 'artists' can scrawl or paint to their hearts content. Stricter penalties were enforced for graffitti in other non-permitted areas - generally forcing them to stick to these areas.

    Actually some of the drawings they did were quite impressive, and steered away from the usual pre-pubescent scribblings. They seemed to respect it and would leave it for a while before covering it over with something else. After a while, the wall got repainted and they had another official blank canvas.

    Some of the young people actually used their own paint to completely cover the old paintings before starting again (because the council were taking too long to come back out to repaint it!)

    Somewhere like the underpass by St. Georges Church would be an example of the type of area that was designated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor



    Somewhere like the underpass by St. Georges Church would be an example of the type of area that was designated.

    The knock wherathy did a few down there years ago, covered over with lovely tags now,,, Its a good idea and along the lines of stuff the disenfranchised youth (im sounding like an auld lad now) would get into..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭wow sierra


    The council have provided skate parks (for skateboarding) in Swords and Blanchardstown. I dont know if one is planned for Balbriggan but it would be a good idea. Plenty of good grafitti on the Swords one too;). Mind you I can just see the local concerned citizens queueing up to object to its location near their houses.

    Don't dismiss activities like Tennis GAA etc. Many of the teenagers I know are too busy with soccer and GAA training to have time for much else. Hanging around the beach drinking cans is fairly normal teenage behaviour - but when it comes to smashing cars it is crossing a line. I think that is obvious and blaming a lack of amenities is no excuse.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭cathy01


    hi all, I love Balbriggan.It has its problems. My husband was in our car and myself and our two kids age 4 and 10 where walking towards the car, two , scumbags approched.One opend the car door passanger side and got in. My husband jumped out. One tried to punch him. My two little girls froze, I screamed for help. None came,two cars passed us. I just went mad. I screamed at them to FU** OFF. They did.
    This by the way was 3.15 on a saturday afternoon.
    I dont think they where from Balbriggan.
    There are so many ,whats know as blow ins.:rolleyes:
    Yes...I know I dont use that word , honest.
    But as Moonbeam said.There is very little for the youth.Froigia have been trying to set up a youth group for Balbriggan.
    Cryptic is no longer doing their evening stuff.
    What else is there.
    Can we blame parents, no. I think the Gaurda MUST take control of situations. If they know who is giving out drugs to kids, drag them in.Fine they are not the big dealers but every little helps.

    I do think there is a good community in Balbriggan. Dispite everything. I wouldnt move. No schools, no youth clubs, no swimiming pool. You should have seen this place 15 years ago. No...nothing. bearly even poeple.
    Anyway on another note. Did you see the new €2.00 shop. Well, be warned thats just the name of the shop. The goods in it vary up to €30.00.
    cathy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭cathy01


    PS Lester is back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 DODGE HOLLS


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    I don't know of any garages in the town who don't display their (fuel)prices on their forecourt? So kindly exactly to me how is a particular garage a rip off? You the consumer decide to pay the price, you are not forced. If your talking about prices inside the garage shop, once again your not forced to purchase anything without firstly knowing the price.

    There is a reason that one garage in the town charges a few cent more for fuel than the others, I won't go into it but it's a long standing agreement with the other two garages in the town.

    I understand your point and in most cases I would agree. But advertising a price doesn't mean they can charge anything: But that I mean I do agree it's down to the consumer if they pay for the price stated, but, the point is that the prices advertised are high for all stations in Balbriggan because people HAVE to get petrol and diesel there. Especially with the weather at the moment.

    I guess I'm sort of agreeing with you to a level, but stations saying to each other "we'll all charge high" shouldn't be the answer. Unreasonable charges will soon be affect by Irish law anyway, so I guess it's just a matter of time before we catch up with Moral Rights of the Consumer Act.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 DODGE HOLLS


    SuzyS1972 wrote: »
    Hmm a certain Petrol station is a major rip off anyway.

    I don't really shop in the town so I can't comment but I am the type of person who puts stuff back if it's over-priced.
    I don't care what anyone thinks.

    Gave a fella in a shop on O'connell Street back his 84 cent packet of KP Skips yesterday !

    My fiance and I are the same; if the price isn't stated and when we go to pay and they just bounce a number off their head, we just put it back. We refuse to be treated like that.

    Sometimes, when it comes to doing a big shop for food that'll last a week or two, we go up North: Newry normally as it's the closest across the border that has not bad selection of shops. The thing is, you need to do everything on a debit card, otherwise you obviously have to change your euros to sterling.

    It's well work it though, the prices are UK and if it's a big shop you can save a fortune. Some places even accept euros up there too.

    As for food brought down here, we tend to go to local butchers. And there's a great, cheap grocers in Meath and I saw in our town the other day one is opening up on the high street.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 DODGE HOLLS


    cathy01 wrote: »
    hi all, I love Balbriggan.It has its problems. My husband was in our car and myself and our two kids age 4 and 10 where walking towards the car, two , scumbags approched.One opend the car door passanger side and got in. My husband jumped out. One tried to punch him. My two little girls froze, I screamed for help. None came,two cars passed us. I just went mad. I screamed at them to FU** OFF. They did.
    This by the way was 3.15 on a saturday afternoon.
    I dont think they where from Balbriggan.
    There are so many ,whats know as blow ins.:rolleyes:
    Yes...I know I dont use that word , honest.
    But as Moonbeam said.There is very little for the youth.Froigia have been trying to set up a youth group for Balbriggan.
    Cryptic is no longer doing their evening stuff.
    What else is there.
    Can we blame parents, no. I think the Gaurda MUST take control of situations. If they know who is giving out drugs to kids, drag them in.Fine they are not the big dealers but every little helps.

    I do think there is a good community in Balbriggan. Dispite everything. I wouldnt move. No schools, no youth clubs, no swimiming pool. You should have seen this place 15 years ago. No...nothing. bearly even poeple.
    Anyway on another note. Did you see the new €2.00 shop. Well, be warned thats just the name of the shop. The goods in it vary up to €30.00.
    cathy

    I was shocked to hear about your ordeal with those idiots. I know what you mean though, there are a few little turds causing problems in areas but the mainstream seem to but out of the area. It's a shame because Balbriggan is lovely.

    My fiance and I live in the Hamlet Lane area and it's nice and quiet. Our car broke down just before Christmas and Sarah works in Blanchardstown so I walked her to the bus stop in the morning and met her in the evening as it's dark still. On the way back from the stop near the Garda Station heading away from town we walked along the road to go down a side road towards home...The one with no pavement an has loads of potholes...you know the one haha.

    Anyway, there is a dark alley across the road from there. We heard something hit the wall a few feet behind us; kids down that alley where throwing big stones (and I mean big) at people walking from the stop and at cars.

    I run across the road shouting at them. I was never going to do anything, just wanted to put the fear of God in to them. The eldest was about 15 I'd say and the youngest couldn't have been more than 8.

    We went to the Garda to let them know in case it causes an accident and he was as helpful as a chocolate teapot.

    I do agree that the kids get board, and it's a problem; they can't just get plonked in front of an Xbox all the time. I'm not sure of the solution, but Balbriggan is SLOWLY developing.

    Let's just hope it's enough. Trouble is, things become a way of live for some, now matter how much or little there is to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Can I ask why the parents can't blamed? This goes beyond Balbriggan, but having lived here for five years with the rest of the blow-ins, I hope its not a problem that is going to increase in the next decade.

    That the parents shouldnt be blamed was mentioned earlier - so long ago that it doesnt bear quoting.

    I'm sure that there are tons of rural communities who would love to have a local cinema or a beach, or cheap quick access to the City Centre with all the amenities that it allows.

    I dont get the nothing-to-do argument. If that was the spur for scumbaggery, wouldnt small isolated towns where no decent after-school amenities be overrun with ASBO type behaviour. Yet it seems to be more prevalent in urban areas.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 DODGE HOLLS


    Morgans wrote: »
    Can I ask why the parents can't blamed? This goes beyond Balbriggan, but having lived here for five years with the rest of the blow-ins, I hope its not a problem that is going to increase in the next decade.

    That the parents shouldnt be blamed was mentioned earlier - so long ago that it doesnt bear quoting.

    I'm sure that there are tons of rural communities who would love to have a local cinema or a beach, or cheap quick access to the City Centre with all the amenities that it allows.

    I dont get the nothing-to-do argument. If that was the spur for scumbaggery, wouldnt small isolated towns where no decent after-school amenities be overrun with ASBO type behaviour. Yet it seems to be more prevalent in urban areas.

    This is the thing. Years ago there wasn't the "ASBO" label. An good Psychologist will tell you that give a condition a label and tell that child the label, they'll start blaming that label SOMETIMES.

    There isn't much to do but I'm not saying that's the reason, after all, we had less in my day to amuse ourselves...I sound old there, I'm only 33 haha. I don't think it's dangerous to say on here that SOME parents are to blame; as the ones responsible for the bad apples don't seem to do much so probably wouldn't come on a site like this anyway.

    I've see 7-8 year olds out past 21:00 with similar ages friends. Anyone that says parents aren't to blame for at least that are probably the parents of said kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Morgans


    This is the thing. Years ago there wasn't the "ASBO" label. An good Psychologist will tell you that give a condition a label and tell that child the label, they'll start blaming that label SOMETIMES.

    There isn't much to do but I'm not saying that's the reason, after all, we had less in my day to amuse ourselves...I sound old there, I'm only 33 haha. I don't think it's dangerous to say on here that SOME parents are to blame; as the ones responsible for the bad apples don't seem to do much so probably wouldn't come on a site like this anyway.

    I've see 7-8 year olds out past 21:00 with similar ages friends. Anyone that says parents aren't to blame for at least that are probably the parents of said kids.

    Sorry, I was just using ASBO as shorthand. Which is probably part of the problem, sorry about that but it was just to help in communication.

    I find it hard not to blame the child's upbringing if the child cant be bored for a few hours a day without resorting to scumbag (another label) behaviour.

    Just as Im not sure better tennis courts, five-a-side facilities, or basketball courts would stop the bad behaviour.

    Its clearly a difficult problem to solve, but im not sure facilities is the answer. I suppose everything helps to some extent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 DODGE HOLLS


    Morgans wrote: »
    Sorry, I was just using ASBO as shorthand. Which is probably part of the problem, sorry about that but it was just to help in communication.

    I find it hard not to blame the child's upbringing if the child cant be bored for a few hours a day without resorting to scumbag (another label) behaviour.

    Just as Im not sure better tennis courts, five-a-side facilities, or basketball courts would stop the bad behaviour.

    Its clearly a difficult problem to solve, but im not sure facilities is the answer. I suppose everything helps to some extent.

    No no, you're right though. I was saying that now kids kind of have a legal term for there attitude and think there life is over in some ways before it's started. And that's on of the problem. An adult will sometimes blame a lack of work due to a criminal record and now Anti Social Behavioral Disorders sometimes make kids have the ethos of "No point trying at school, I have an ASBO so won't get anywhere".

    When I said if "you" give a kid a label, I didn't mean you literally, I was referring to the legal system.

    Another one is ADHD. Sure, a medical term will help some sufferers deal with their condition, but certainly not a child that is being brought up on a bad diet and no substance in their upbringing. ADHD is a new term and some children are helped by the term, but some aren't as not enough has been looked in to why they are behaving the way they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭wobblyknees


    For what it's worth, maybe the adults need to take more of an interest in the community and kids to earn their respect? I did, through sport, and I now regularly walk through the town morning, noon and night and am able to say hello to loads of kids and teenagers 'hanging' around.

    As far as facilities are concerned, the council isn't going to build them. The thing is, there are numerous projects just waiting to get off the ground in the area which require fundraising. For example, a local football team that caters for 100s of kids every week needs money to build an all weather surface and is in the process of raising the funds to do so. If they did, this would be a fantastic local amenity for young people.

    "Just as Im not sure better tennis courts, five-a-side facilities, or basketball courts would stop the bad behaviour."

    This comment ties in with what I am saying, if people in the community met the so called trouble makers half way, things would be a lot better. Again, all imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 DODGE HOLLS


    For what it's worth, maybe the adults need to take more of an interest in the community and kids to earn their respect? I did, through sport, and I now regularly walk through the town morning, noon and night and am able to say hello to loads of kids and teenagers 'hanging' around.

    As far as facilities are concerned, the council isn't going to build them. The thing is, there are numerous projects just waiting to get off the ground in the area which require fundraising. For example, a local football team that caters for 100s of kids every week needs money to build an all weather surface and is in the process of raising the funds to do so. If they did, this would be a fantastic local amenity for young people.

    "Just as Im not sure better tennis courts, five-a-side facilities, or basketball courts would stop the bad behaviour."

    This comment ties in with what I am saying, if people in the community met the so called trouble makers half way, things would be a lot better. Again, all imo.

    Very true. I run every day, just in the mornings and very early so I don't see many people. I think awareness is the thing here. It's undeniable that some parent don't know where there kids are far too late at night. Any I think respect and meeting half way is a good positive attitude.

    I keep trying to think of ways it can be helped, it'll never get solved but as long as adults and authorities are seen trying to help, the bad behaved can't say we're not trying and we can be justified in expecting a more friendly Balbriggan at least. Even if it make a couple of people think more about their attitude.

    It's nice, but a shame that the people on this thread want to do more for the kids than some of the kids parents.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    <snip>

    As for the shooting, Id heard that that too turned out to be false... Id like to hope so...

    From what I hear (and I hope this is true) The stabbings caused minor enough wounds and nobody knows who did this, the people stabbed were locals and DID NOT recognize the attacker, the two attacks took place on the same night.

    Here's one though,

    i was on the prom above the beach on Saturday 02/01/2010 around 1pm walking with a mate.
    Some guy (in his mid twenties i reckon), kind of heavyset with a goatee in a tracksuit, was running up and down the beach, kicking fishboxes around and screaming obscenities at the top of his lungs.

    There were many people walking along the banks and the beach and we all stopped to watch, he didnt care people were looking and at one stage picked up rocks and threw them at the fishboxes.

    Now it looked like he was doing laps from the harbour wall to the rocks and back but he added this possible stress reliever of screaming and shouting at nobody in particular as he ran!!

    Then he walked off under the viaduct, across the carpark and up highstreet hill, again roaring curses and swears at nobody, at the top of his lungs all the way up past tesco's car park!!!! WEIRD SH*T... or else a major case of tourettes??? Anyone else heard about this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Morphéus wrote: »
    <snip>

    As for the shooting, Id heard that that too turned out to be false... Id like to hope so...

    From what I hear (and I hope this is true) The stabbings caused minor enough wounds and nobody knows who did this, the people stabbed were locals and DID NOT recognize the attacker, the two attacks took place on the same night.

    Here's one though,

    i was on the prom above the beach on Saturday 02/01/2010 around 1pm walking with a mate.
    Some guy (in his mid twenties i reckon), kind of heavyset with a goatee in a tracksuit, was running up and down the beach, kicking fishboxes around and screaming obscenities at the top of his lungs.

    There were many people walking along the banks and the beach and we all stopped to watch, he didnt care people were looking and at one stage picked up rocks and threw them at the fishboxes.

    Now it looked like he was doing laps from the harbour wall to the rocks and back but he added this possible stress reliever of screaming and shouting at nobody in particular as he ran!!

    Then he walked off under the viaduct, across the carpark and up highstreet hill, again roaring curses and swears at nobody, at the top of his lungs all the way up past tesco's car park!!!! WEIRD SH*T... or else a major case of tourettes??? Anyone else heard about this?

    Sounds like he was getting warmed up for a beer upstairs in DeBruns (downstairs has some good live music and a nice crowd)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 unamused


    so i am thinking of moving to balbriggan i have read what it was like a couple of years ago but whats it like now have amenities improved? how are the schools? and what are the apartments at lisen hall on georges hill like? any suggestions?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    There are lots and lots of primary schools to be more exact I think there are 7 and there will be 3 secondary schools soon.

    It is a very mixed place to live.

    Linen Hall is the place you are looking at?
    If it is the place I think it is,it is in the village so near the beach and train and youth cafe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 unamused


    Moonbeam wrote: »
    There are lots and lots of primary schools to be more exact I think there are 7 and there will be 3 secondary schools soon.

    It is a very mixed place to live.

    Linen Hall is the place you are looking at?
    If it is the place I think it is,it is in the village so near the beach and train and youth cafe.

    thanks for that and yes linen hall is the place do you know whats it like read on the previous posts about the trouble at the train station but isnt that just kids being kids didnt we all hang round at the end of the road or the local shopping centre or if we where lucky the beach or dart station?
    do you live there and if so do you like it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    unamused wrote: »
    read on the previous posts about the trouble at the train station but isnt that just kids being kids didnt we all hang round at the end of the road or the local shopping centre or if we where lucky the beach or dart station?
    No. I don't know about you but I didn't get up to criminal damage when I was a kid and if your the type who condones it from your kids then you might be better off not considering Balbriggan for our sake.

    On another note there are three secondary schools open now in Balbriggan, the third having opened last August.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    unamused wrote: »
    thanks for that and yes linen hall is the place do you know whats it like read on the previous posts about the trouble at the train station but isnt that just kids being kids didnt we all hang round at the end of the road or the local shopping centre or if we where lucky the beach or dart station?
    do you live there and if so do you like it?

    I lived up near Dunnes for 4 years but moved last year.
    Do you have kids?Do you have family there?
    If your motivation for moving is cheap housing by the beach then I wouldn't,if it is to be near family with children then it is not a bad move.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 unamused


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    No. I don't know about you but I didn't get up to criminal damage when I was a kid and if your the type who condones it from your kids then you might be better off not considering Balbriggan for our sake.

    On another note there are three secondary schools open now in Balbriggan, the third having opened last August.

    NO no no i didnt get up to any trouble my dad was a mixture of hitler and scrooge if i did anything wrong the treat of what he would do to you was enough to put the fear of god in you all im saying is that with no amenities around where i grew up and lots of kids we all hung round the end of the road chatting and playing games but no criminal damage

    on another note i have no family at all in balbriggan all mine are from south county dublin but as renting there or even buying is just out of the question as it is far too expensive i just thought that balbriggan was a nice area by the sea and out of dublin city centre where i am at the minute

    i have no children yet but have one due in the next couple of months and dont really want to bring him up in the city centre and would like somewhere nice to feel settled as i've moved around a lot in the last 10 years and feels its time for my sake and baba's sake and schooling to get settled and established somewhere nice thats all

    will take all you've said and set up some viewings in the next week or so and pay the place a proper visit thanks for all the advice :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭aniascor


    I'm currently on maternity leave in Balbriggan and I've found it a great place to have a new baby. It's easy to get out and about. Because the town is so big there are a few mothers and babies groups. Lots of cafes are baby and buggy friendly. And it's lovely to walk around with the buggy.
    But I guess like any place, it's what you make of it.


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