Duplicate Import Programs on RTE - ahh!

Keth_tgi

Does anyone out there feel miffed, having paid their TV license, that RTE insists on showing imported tv shows (east enders, Doctors, home & away etc, to mention just a few) when same programs can be seen almost at the same time on the BBC or ITV?

Seems to me RTE are pandering to the lowest common denominator who don't have NTL, Choras or Sky, and even if they only have an aerial surely they can still get the basic 6 or so channels?

God! that grinds my gears (to borrow from Family Guy).

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!

1. Showing Euro News on almost all 3 channels at once
during the night.
2. Irish programs shown at primetime on rte 1 & 2, even
though Irish has it's very own channel!
3. The lack of proper sexy leg view since Mary Kennedy
left Open House & scooted to nationwide!
4. The fact that no one who wins 'Your're a star' ever
makes it big time - what's the point then??
5. The lack of real studio atmosphere during the RTE Bore-
a-thon... I could hear the cameras turning.
6. The plain simple and lazy fact that RTE have never
(never) had the will or balls to make a Breakfast
show.. instead relying on repeats!

If RTE show so many repeats, does this mean I can use my 2007 RTE TV license again next year?

odyssey06

Eh... if you only have an aeriel you can't pick up ITV or BBC so you would watch those shows on an Irish station. The question is whether RTE bidding for popular shows\sporting events that would otherwise be picked up by commercial Irish stations pushes up the price overall and hurts their competitors.

I think RTE actually make money on those popular shows so purely from a licensing point of view they'd probably be in a worse state financially without them.

Keth_tgi

I agree about the worse state... and of course RTE makes money from them....mad not to. My problem is that they are 'allowed' make money from them. Why should people watch on rte when same is on BBC or ITV, especially BBC who make likes of East Enders.

I'd have no (reasonable) problem paying fee if programs I saw could not be seen elsewhere. I'm not going to launch into the License fee - dead horse and all... just hate the damn thing about same programs available elsewhere at flick of a switch, and the fact a small percent of people are causing rte to give them viewing time because they can't be arsed to get connected proper.

Live and let live fine with me.... until it costs you money to sustain it.

godtabh

Keth_tgi wrote: »

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!

1. Showing Euro News on almost all 3 channels at once
during the night.

What channels and what times? Never seen Euro news

Keth_tgi wrote: »

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!

2. Irish programs shown at primetime on rte 1 & 2, even
though Irish has it's very own channel!

So? Just becasue we have and Irish based tv station doesnt mean other channels cant show irish programs.

Keth_tgi wrote: »

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!


3. The lack of proper sexy leg view since Mary Kennedy
left Open House & scooted to nationwide!

I see you've put a lot of thought into this!

Keth_tgi wrote: »

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!

4. The fact that no one who wins 'Your're a star' ever
makes it big time - what's the point then??

People like watching it. You might not or might not see the point of it but RTE arent making TV for you alone

Keth_tgi wrote: »

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!


5. The lack of real studio atmosphere during the RTE Bore-
a-thon... I could hear the cameras turning.

Why werent you there then? Why complain when you can do something about it

Keth_tgi wrote: »

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!


6. The plain simple and lazy fact that RTE have never
(never) had the will or balls to make a Breakfast
show.. instead relying on repeats!

Is there demand for it? Again RTE dont make tv for you

Mossy Monk

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Does anyone out there feel miffed, having paid their TV license, that RTE insists on showing imported tv shows (east enders, Doctors, home & away etc, to mention just a few) when same programs can be seen almost at the same time on the BBC or ITV?

Seems to me RTE are pandering to the lowest common denominator who don't have NTL, Choras or Sky, and even if they only have an aerial surely they can still get the basic 6 or so channels?

Really? There are parts of the country that can only receive three television channels via an aerial. I am sure there are others who only have only two. It seems to me that you want RTÉ to broadcast television that suits you. Luckily it doesn't work that way. RTÉ must cater for everyone.

hot fuss

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Does anyone out there feel miffed, having paid their TV license, that RTE insists on showing imported tv shows (east enders, Doctors, home & away etc, to mention just a few) when same programs can be seen almost at the same time on the BBC or ITV?

Seems to me RTE are pandering to the lowest common denominator who don't have NTL, Choras or Sky, and even if they only have an aerial surely they can still get the basic 6 or so channels?

God! that grinds my gears (to borrow from Family Guy).

My TOP 6 Pet Hates I have for RTE, that GRIND MY GEARS!

1. Showing Euro News on almost all 3 channels at once
during the night.
2. Irish programs shown at primetime on rte 1 & 2, even
though Irish has it's very own channel!
3. The lack of proper sexy leg view since Mary Kennedy
left Open House & scooted to nationwide!
4. The fact that no one who wins 'Your're a star' ever
makes it big time - what's the point then??
5. The lack of real studio atmosphere during the RTE Bore-
a-thon... I could hear the cameras turning.
6. The plain simple and lazy fact that RTE have never
(never) had the will or balls to make a Breakfast
show.. instead relying on repeats!

If RTE show so many repeats, does this mean I can use my 2007 RTE TV license again next year?

RTÉ get high viewing figures for programmes such as Home and Away and Eastenders, therefore there is a proven market for them and they can also get a lot of revenue from advertising during them. Are you actually arguing that 100% of RTÉ schedule should be home produced, or simply show bought in acquisitions that aren't available on English channels? This is completely ludicrous. People want the option of watching imports on Irish channels and often times RTÉ airs the most popular ones before the UK channels do.

"The lowest common denominator" as you call them quite patronisingly may not want to get the UK channels. Why should they be forced to when they can watch the shows they want to on national public service broadcaster? Why should they pay extra for UK channels if they're happy with just having RTÉ?

If the RTÉ "boreathon" as you called it was so lacking in atmosphere, why did you watch it? You have the power to change the channel - no one is forcing you to watch RTÉ.

All Irish language programmes aired on RTÉ have subtitles so they can be watched and understood by everyone. Simply because TG4 exists it's ridiculous to say that RTÉ should therefore neglect to produce any Irish language programming. There is a demand for it as is again proven in the viewing figures.


RTÉ make programmes to suit a variety of people and target audiences. They are not aiming their output at just you. You might do well to remember that sometimes and not take their programming choices as a personal insult.

grimm2005

im in favour of them duplicating ITV shows as thats the only main UK channel not on the sky EPG meaning i cant sky+ things from itv

odyssey06

I have to agree with (2). It makes no logical sense for us to have a publicly funded Irish language station which also shows English language programs when at the same time our primary publicly funded station is also showing Irish language programs.
I think it's probably RTE trying to save costs by repeating TG4 produced shows - after all, RTE's budget deficit almost exactly equals TG4's budget.

The viewing figures for Irish language programs (excepting sports with Irish commentary) are very low on TG4 and on RTE1. Let's be honest, you could put the testcard on RTE1 and you'd still get about 50,000 people too lazy to switch.

One thing in the past that annoyed me a lot about RTE was scheduling the same film as a UK channel in the same week, or even the same night (and we're not talking Christmas blockbuster), but I think that happens less frequently now.

Mossy Monk

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think it's probably RTE trying to save costs by repeating TG4 produced shows - after all, RTE's budget deficit almost exactly equals TG4's budget.

RTÉ do make some shows for TG4, so perhaps it is those that they are repeating.

DamoKen

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Really? There are parts of the country that can only receive three television channels via an aerial. I am sure there are others who only have only two. It seems to me that you want RTÉ to broadcast television that suits you. Luckily it doesn't work that way. RTÉ must cater for everyone.

whatever happened to satellite?

Keth_tgi

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Really? There are parts of the country that can only receive three television channels via an aerial. I am sure there are others who only have only two. It seems to me that you want RTÉ to broadcast television that suits you. Luckily it doesn't work that way. RTÉ must cater for everyone.

Mossy, i understand your point to mine, but in this day and age I find it a little difficult to believe that some people only have access to 2 stations... thats not my fault, or other peoples.... I am not a charity in paying my license fee, and I should not have to subsidise people's viewing habits. If they can afford a TV (and license), they can afford a satelite reciever also.

I think it's a disgrace the way we're made to watch duplicate tv.

Keth_tgi

hot fuss wrote: »

"The lowest common denominator" as you call them quite patronisingly may not want to get the UK channels. Why should they be forced to when they can watch the shows they want to on national public service broadcaster? Why should they pay extra for UK channels if they're happy with just having RTÉ?

Hot Fuss.... there in lies the argument. These people 'choose' not to pay extra, but we do pay extra for our NTL or Chorus. Why should we suffer while mean people choose to scrounge.
In fairness though, I must pick you up on a point. I don't patronise people, I tell it like it is. These people are the The lowest common denominator by sheer definition.

Keth_tgi

grimm2005 wrote: »

im in favour of them duplicating ITV shows as thats the only main UK channel not on the sky EPG meaning i cant sky+ things from itv

Grim, thats a fair point, but I cannot help thinking that RTE takes advantage of most other people on NTL or Chorus. In some instances, yes...sure repeat the program, but not blatantly. There is something wrong when you're paying for a show thats accessable 3 stations away on the channel that made it. The money RTE spends buying this could be used elsewhere perhaps?

Keth_tgi

kearnsr wrote: »

Is there demand for it? Again RTE dont make tv for you

Re: RTE Breakfast Time program. I guess good point about there being a demand for such a show, and at the risk of sounding naive...well is demand the point here. How about the TV3 breakfast show.... people watch this, right?

But not just that... I've been accused (laughingly) of wishing that RTE made programs just for me.... but isn't that the same as RTE pandering to the needs of people with a single greasy areal in the middle of nowhere and demanding to see all their foreign shows on RTE?

I think you'll find not all shows are aired for a profit, and so we should have a breakfast show regardless of who watches it. But RTE is cunning and allows TV3 and ITV take up the slack.

odyssey06

Mossy Monk wrote: »

RTÉ do make some shows for TG4, so perhaps it is those that they are repeating.

The thing about TG4 is that its remit is above and beyond television broadcasting, its aim is to help spread\preserve the Irish language. I don't think it should therefore be funded by a television licence.

In the past, when RTE 1 and 2 aired Irish language programs, they were fulfilling their public service obligations for Irish language *broadcasting*, and that seems like a legitimate use of licence money - and it didn't require a whole other TV channel.

Keth_tgi

kearnsr wrote: »

People like watching it. You might not or might not see the point of it but RTE arent making TV for you alone

Hi Kearnsr,

I don't think it's that bad of a show.... (Your a star) well, the heats are good, but the actual show is usually aimed at fat placard waving farmers with equally fat red faced children, and old grannies.

The point I'm making is no one ever succeeds on the show even when they win... and I call that into question, as is my right I think.

Keth_tgi

The basic point is this..... my argument may have holes in it, but so also does RTE's philosophy, as does any philosophy?

Mossy Monk

DamoKen wrote: »

whatever happened to satellite?

Sorry but that arguement is pointless. We are talking about people who only have access to RTÉ. Nobody should be forced to have satellite in order to see programmes from another country.

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Mossy, i understand your point to mine, but in this day and age I find it a little difficult to believe that some people only have access to 2 stations... thats not my fault, or other peoples.... I am not a charity in paying my license fee, and I should not have to subsidise people's viewing habits. If they can afford a TV (and license), they can afford a satelite reciever also.

But why should they have to buy a satellite receiver? They pay a tv license of which RTÉ gets a huge amount. So why shouldn't RTÉ cater for them?

Keth_tgi wrote: »

These people 'choose' not to pay extra, but we do pay extra for our NTL or Chorus. Why should we suffer while mean people choose to scrounge.
In fairness though, I must pick you up on a point. I don't patronise people, I tell it like it is. These people are the The lowest common denominator by sheer definition.

People who don't pay extra for multi channel television are the lowest common denominator? Posts like this suggest that you are a troll.

hot fuss

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Hot Fuss.... there in lies the argument. These people 'choose' not to pay extra, but we do pay extra for our NTL or Chorus. Why should we suffer while mean people choose to scrounge.
In fairness though, I must pick you up on a point. I don't patronise people, I tell it like it is. These people are the The lowest common denominator by sheer definition.

Define 'suffer'! :rolleyes: RTÉ has a duty to provide programming for the whole country. The programes they buy in that you use as examples are very high rating shows on RTÉ which unequivocally proves that there is a market out there for them in this country - simple as. Your argument is hugely flawed.

And you did use lowest common denominator as an insult which I do think is patronising - that is my opinion. You cannot say that simply because people make a choice not to pay for access to a multitude of stations that they are mean - that is absolutely ludicrous - it's a choice that they're entitled to make. Some people don't place huge importance on having a variety of tv stations to watch and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also, you say you don't patronise people, so how should we view your comments about fat placard waving farmers on You're a Star?!!

Skinfull

So...eh..am I the only one here who doesnt have a TV license?
I did until last october but then it ran out and I have moved so...*shrug*

Toto Wolfcastle

I grew up with 2 channels, then 3, then 3 and one fuzzy channel, then 4. My parents never saw the need for anymore. There are plenty of people who don't. Why should those who don't need 100+ channels suffer because you made the choice to pay for extra channels? (Which I don't begrudge you of course.) I'm in student accommodation now and I have about 17 channels. I still watch RTE 1 and 2, TV3 and TG4 the most.

(Except I watch nothing now because the tv decided to blow up.)

beanyb

You're a Star is still on because RTE make a shedload of money from it. The phone and text lines make them a fortune.

Are you only picking on RTE because of the TV license? Because in reality, TV3 are far worse for showing duplicate imports. They regularly just show the exact same schedule as ITV.

I dont have a problem with it though. Some people only have the Irish channels, and often enough the Irish channels are ahead of the English ones, even if it's only by a couple of minutes like with Coronation Street.

Keth_tgi

a bit sad that some of you are so enamoured with RTE. I rasied several points... true some of them are not absolutely water tight, but i don't think there's any need to resort to calling people trolls, Mossy. Come on now.

What really annoys me about RTE is the fact that not only do we have to pay for a TV license, but also have to sit through adverts too. Please don't tell me to switch over when they come on. I should be permitted sit through the entire should without adverts as with the BBC.

But of course, maybe some of you like paying for the license and sitting through adverts.

By the way, me calling Placard waving farmers with red faces and fat children - 'Patronising'..eh no, thats purely slagging. You should look the word Mossy.

Keth_tgi

Can't say it's not a healthy debate...

God, I bet the ones sticking up for RTE are the same that voted FF back into power...and are the same who complain when things get bad.

Toto Wolfcastle

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Can't say it's not a healthy debate...

God, I bet the ones sticking up for RTE are the same that voted FF back into power...and are the same who complain when things get bad.

Bit of a presumption tbh. I didn't vote FF!! RTE have as much right as any to show what they want. Do you think that because I don't need 100 + channels that I should not get to watch things besides Fair City and You're a Star? :eek:

Anyway, there are plenty of people out there who can barely afford the TV licence, never mind paying for extra channels that are mostly full of crap. My BF has Sky + yet he still watches mostly RTE, etc.

Mossy Monk

Keth_tgi wrote: »

i don't think there's any need to resort to calling people trolls, Mossy. Come on now.

What really annoys me about RTE is the fact that not only do we have to pay for a TV license, but also have to sit through adverts too. Please don't tell me to switch over when they come on. I should be permitted sit through the entire should without adverts as with the BBC.

But of course, maybe some of you like paying for the license and sitting through adverts.

By the way, me calling Placard waving farmers with red faces and fat children - 'Patronising'..eh no, thats purely slagging. You should look the word Mossy.

The BBC are almost unique in that they show no adverts. PSB's all over Europe show adverts also.

I never said anything about your comment regarding the audience on Your A Star.

I still think you are trolling however.

hot fuss

If RTÉ were to just use the TV license revenue and not advertising revenue to make their programmes they would not be able to fill their schedule. Comparing the BBC and RTÉ and the revenue they get is simply not comparing like with like.

I was the one who made a comment about your You're a Star comment and I am well aware of the meaning of the word patronising. Another word for it would be condescending, which is exactly what your comment was towards You're a Star audience members.

Keth_tgi

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I still think you are trolling however.

Mossy, I happened upon some of your other comments to other people, and you seems a little angry to me. The trolling thing... what was your saying last month 'thats so gay'... come on now.... move out of your bedroom and engage the world on an adult level.

And just because other European countries double charge doesn't mean we should. I'm not agruing about thats done elsewhere or whats legal. My points are based on fairness and ethics.

Keth_tgi

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I still think you are trolling however.

Mossy, I happened upon some of your other comments to other people, and you seems a little angry to me. The trolling thing... what was your saying last month 'thats so gay'... come on now.... move out of your bedroom and engage the world on an adult level.

And just because other European countries double charge doesn't mean we should. I'm not aguing about whats done elsewhere or whats legal. My points are based on fairness and ethics - RTE should do one or the other and cut their clothe to match that budget, not the opposite. We pay enough tax.

aidan_walsh

Keth_tgi wrote:

My points are based on fairness and ethics.

I fail to see how, so please explain.

Keth_tgi

hot fuss wrote: »

If RTÉ were to just use the TV license revenue and not advertising revenue to make their programmes they would not be able to fill their schedule. Comparing the BBC and RTÉ and the revenue they get is simply not comparing like with like.

I was the one who made a comment about your You're a Star comment and I am well aware of the meaning of the word patronising. Another word for it would be condescending, which is exactly what your comment was towards You're a Star audience members.

Well simply put.. I think a lot of the 'Your a star' audience participants look rather unrefined, to put it nicely. have a look at how refined the audiences on the beeb or ITV look - no palcards there. Thats just the way it is... no arguing with facts.. some of them look like they just evolved - teeth missing and the grins on them... dear god.

As for the BBc and RTE comparison... I think you'll find it's RTE trying desperately to keep up with the jones's. I believe that argument about license or adverts but not both is very relevent. I think you work for RTE and your afraid for your job?

Keth_tgi

aidan_walsh wrote: »

I fail to see how, so please explain.

Unfair for tax payer to pay tv license fee and sit through adverts.

No prob explaining my stuff... but just tell me which one exactly to comment on.... not being smart... just made a lot of points is all.

Mossy Monk

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Mossy, I happened upon some of your other comments to other people, and you seems a little angry to me. The trolling thing... what was your saying last month 'thats so gay'... come on now.... move out of your bedroom and engage the world on an adult level.

Yes, I am a very angry person. Nice of you to notice.

Toto Wolfcastle

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Mossy, I happened upon some of your other comments to other people, and you seems a little angry to me. The trolling thing... what was your saying last month 'thats so gay'... come on now.... move out of your bedroom and engage the world on an adult level.

And just because other European countries double charge doesn't mean we should. I'm not agruing about thats done elsewhere or whats legal. My points are based on fairness and ethics.

How are your points based on fairness and ethics? It seems to me that your points are based on your belief that RTE should show you what you want to watch and that those of us who choose not to pay for extra channels or who cannot afford to should not get to see what you see on other channels because we are 'scroungers'.

Keth_tgi

hot fuss wrote: »

If RTÉ were to just use the TV license revenue and not advertising revenue to make their programmes they would not be able to fill their schedule.

Hotfuss... they still could fill the schedule.... just means with less good programming... but at least those who didn't want to watch wouldn't feel to hammered having paid the fee. Thing is I hate rte and feel screwed having paid my license fee. Thats all. I think... you want to watch RTE - fine.... but pay for it by watching the adverts. we pay enough tax everywhere else.

Mossy Monk

Boo Hoo.

Keth_tgi

janeybabe26 wrote: »

How are your points based on fairness and ethics? It seems to me that your points are based on your belief that RTE should show you what you want to watch and that those of us who choose not to pay for extra channels or who cannot afford to should not get to see what you see on other channels because we are 'scroungers'.

I think it's unfair and unethical to be given programming that is also available on the BBC (eastenders). especially as the beeb made it. Also programs like Father Ted (made and still shown on channel 4 etc). RTE are infamous for showing repeats and this is dispicable.

If I tried re-using my tv license the way rte re-uses their programming I'd be sent down.

It does astound me that people seem happy to pay the license and sit through adverts. Doesn't have to be that way.

Keth_tgi

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Boo Hoo.

Nice caring attitude to carry you through life with Mossy. I hope it serves you well. I'll admit I can be a little idealistic at times, and i'm not always right.... but being a '25 is the new 15' teeny bop bedroom surfer with your mtv quips at your age is a little less inspiring.

Mossy Monk

Can you not understand that BBC isn't in every household in the country. Your whole arguement is about what suits you. RTÉ is providing for everyone in this country. Not providing an alternative to foreign television channels.

Keth_tgi

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Can you not understand that BBC isn't in every household in the country. Your whole arguement is about what suits you.

I understand that... but find it unacceptable in this day and age. It's not 1970 ffs! It's 2007. Why should I have to watch the repeats or duplicate tv because a small (very small) percentage of people don't have BBC or sky/ntl etc.
Thats a few people holding the rest of the country to ransom. Fair enough showing friends as we have no US tv... but it's a bit Irish when those who do pay for quality tv have to pander to the needs of those who can't be arsed to join the 21st century. What do you not understand?

Toto Wolfcastle

Keth_tgi wrote: »

I understand that... but find it unacceptable in this day and age. It's not 1970 ffs! It's 2007. Why should I have to watch the repeats or duplicate tv because a small (very small) percentage of people don't have BBC or sky/ntl etc.
Thats a few people holding the rest of the country to ransom. Fair enough showing friends as we have no US tv... but it's a bit Irish when those who do pay for quality tv have to pander to the needs of those who can't be arsed to join the 21st century. What do you not understand?

Oh my God, it's actually like trying to explain something to a child. Some people can't afford Sky/NTL/even just the regular BBC, etc. Some people realise there are more important things in life than having loads of channels you don't watch. Doesn't matter anyway, RTE will continue to show what they show, and people like my family will continue to hold you to ransom.

Here's a thought, if the shows you are talking about are on RTE anyway, as are many US imports, why not just get rid of all the rest of the channels? That way you are seeing what you want to see at minimum cost.

aidan_walsh

Keth_tgi wrote:

I understand that... but find it unacceptable in this day and age.

How much extra would you be willing to pay on your TV license for RTE to be able to negotiate deals to carry BBC, etc. nationally on their own infrastructure? Bearing in mind of course that RTE would likely have to chip in a bit extra for these channels to be able to acquire the broadcast rights of certain shows in Ireland as well as the UK.

Keth_tgi

janeybabe26 wrote: »

Oh my God, it's actually like trying to explain something to a child. Some people can't afford Sky/NTL/even just the regular BBC, etc. Some people realise there are more important things in life than having loads of channels you don't watch. Doesn't matter anyway, RTE will continue to show what they show, and people like my family will continue to hold you to ransom.

Here's a thought, if the shows you are talking about are on RTE anyway, as are many US imports, why not just get rid of all the rest of the channels? That way you are seeing what you want to see at minimum cost.

Janey, point taken. Personally I don't care what RTE show... really. I just hate it that they charge you via the TV license and then via the adverts. I don't watch RTE becasue I can see the same shows on BBC/ITV/C4's etc. My argument is why should I have to pay a liscence fee if the shows can be seen elsewhere. It's not my fault you can't afford sky/ntl etc etc... but I'm no charity.

And if you don't mind me saying... I have my s**t together. You sound like the one still in a nappy if you can't afford 30 euro a month to watch sky or ntl. goo goo babaa?

Keth_tgi

aidan_walsh wrote: »

How much extra would you be willing to pay on your TV license for RTE to be able to negotiate deals to carry BBC, etc. nationally on their own infrastructure? Bearing in mind of course that RTE would likely have to chip in a bit extra for these channels to be able to acquire the broadcast rights of certain shows in Ireland as well as the UK.

Good question Aiden. Put it this way, year in year out the fee is going up so if it is going to go up, at least make it worthwhile. I also think removing the adverts and only paying a license fee would seema lot fairer to people (and a lot more ethical). As for the actual fee increase, given the amount of people subscribed... I couldn't say. Best to calculate how much RTE make on adverting revenue then devide that by the amount of subscribers.

But there's also the case of RTE realsing that they are not the beeb, and should not try to be at our expense. We have 4 millions people here, not 60 million.

Get rid of the darn RTE orchestra for a start.

Keth_tgi

aidan_walsh wrote: »

How much extra would you be willing to pay on your TV license for RTE to be able to negotiate deals to carry BBC, etc. nationally on their own infrastructure? Bearing in mind of course that RTE would likely have to chip in a bit extra for these channels to be able to acquire the broadcast rights of certain shows in Ireland as well as the UK.

Sorry Aidan,

Didn't answer that question exactly as you put the question.

Toto Wolfcastle

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Janey, point taken. Personally I don't care what RTE show... really. I just hate it that they charge you via the TV license and then via the adverts. I don't watch RTE becasue I can see the same shows on BBC/ITV/C4's etc. My argument is why should I have to pay a liscence fee if the shows can be seen elsewhere. It's not my fault you can't afford sky/ntl etc etc... but I'm no charity.

And if you don't mind me saying... I have my s**t together. You sound like the one still in a nappy if you can't afford 30 euro a month to watch sky or ntl. goo goo babaa?

Personally, as a student, I can't afford 30 Euro a month to get Sky. My family would be hard pressed to justify paying that much to get it at home either. We could afford to get Sky, I never said we couldn't, I said some people can't, but we choose not to spend our lives worrying about what's on tv. I don't feel like I've missed out because I didn't grow up with loads of channels. There is more to life than tv.

And if you think that someone is a child because they can't afford 30 euro a month (360 a year) to get a few extra channels, then you really need to get out and see how people live in the real world.

Keth_tgi

janeybabe26 wrote: »

Personally, as a student, I can't afford 30 Euro a month to get Sky. My family would be hard pressed to justify paying that much to get it at home either. We could afford to get Sky, I never said we couldn't, I said some people can't, but we choose not to spend our lives worrying about what's on tv. I don't feel like I've missed out because I didn't grow up with loads of channels. There is more to life than tv.

And if you think that someone is a child because they can't afford 30 euro a month (360 a year) to get a few extra channels, then you really need to get out and see how people live in the real world.

Janey, fair point, althugh no need to push your pseudo philosophy on me regarding the need not to watch TV - TV is a huge thing in life love it or not. Point is people like you are the reason RTE push east Enders and the like on the rest of us. Cold but true. I wish you wealth & health, and me, I'm just trying to make a point about RTE being a cunning and miserly station.

Mossy Monk

Eastenders gets ratings, therefore makes money. Why exactly would RTÉ not show it?

Keth_tgi

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Eastenders gets ratings, therefore makes money. Why exactly would RTÉ not show it?

Thats a good point Mossy, and I can't explain wjy it gets so many ratings when most people have access to BBC. People feel comfotable watching RTE perhaps? However, if it were not on RTE same people would switch over and watch on BBC.

If the ratings are so good, isn't that a good argument for doing away with the TV License then? We're being screwed left, right and center in this country for tax and double charging. Don't care who watches or whats on RTE just hate the fact that I'm forced to pay for it. By all means live by the 2 channel philosophy.... but take me out of the equation please.

Keth_tgi

janeybabe26 wrote: »

you really need to get out and see how people live in the real world.

janey... see how people live in the real world? Come on! Your a student...what do you know about the real world? And I mean that in a nice way. There's a sxxt load of life coming your way babe.

Toto Wolfcastle

Keth_tgi wrote: »

Janey, fair point, althugh no need to push your pseudo philosophy on me regarding the need not to watch TV - TV is a huge thing in life love it or not. Point is people like you are the reason RTE push east Enders and the like on the rest of us. Cold but true. I wish you wealth & health, and me, I'm just trying to make a point about RTE being a cunning and miserly station.

In fairness, I'd support you in trying to get Eastenders off RTE!

Keth_tgi wrote: »

janey... see how people live in the real world? Come on! Your a student...what do you know about the real world? And I mean that in a nice way. There's a sxxt load of life coming your way babe.

I look forward to it, babe!