3 Operating Systems running @ once :p

PogMoThoin

Check out my vid:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=vuNEL3YSHh0

Can hardly believe this was possible myself. Crazy $hit this virtualbox. My e-penis has just got bigger

Linux FTW

Anti

vmware ?

Khannie

You should check out KVM (it's the kernel level virtualisation for linux) as it supports virtualisation in hardware. *purr* Support in the kernel that comes with the latest ubuntu should be good.

With my quad core and kvm, I'd fully expect to be able to comfortably run the host OS and 3 virtual boxes without any trouble.

Anti

All this wizzadry is making me want to run linux. But what is the performance like in say ubuntu with kvm with vista and xp. Will i notice a big hit in performance when playing games ?

Atm, RDP does me fine. And im not limited to 2 os'

nibble

Anti wrote: »

All this wizzadry is making me want to run linux. But what is the performance like in say ubuntu with kvm with vista and xp. Will i notice a big hit in performance when playing games ?

Atm, RDP does me fine. And im not limited to 2 os'

Do you mean running ubuntu as the host OS and vista/xp as virtual guests? If so good luck getting 3D to run decently, you'd have no hardware acceleration!!

TerrorFirmer

What's wine like these days? Always wanted try out Linux but...

PogMoThoin

You'll not be able to play games on a virtual OS. Its fully functional, but not powerful enough for games. Thats why i've got dual boot Vista & Ubuntu, just for dx10 games (when i get dx10 gpu).

Honestly, I'm only running Ubuntu for 3 weeks, but i'm completely amazed by it. There's no goin back. It detests me to boot to Vista, as soon as i do, everything tries 2 update together & drives me mad. I honestly didn't realise how fast my system is until i tried it, it idles using 127Mb ram without the visual effects & 3d Desktop etc, 320Mb with Compiz-fusion(3D Cube Desktop), Awn(Applet Manager) Amarok (music plater) etc.

Few reasons why you should change:
-Windows is insecure & new security holes are found every day. Thousand new m$ viruses a month.
-Linux doesn't need anti-virus progs cos there are virtually no viruses. Been less than 100 viruses ever, but they were quickly patched.
-Windows hogs your machine & it will slow down the more software you add.
-Linux allows you take complete control of every aspect of your pc.
-Linux doesn't crash & when a prog crashes it doesn't bring down the os with it. -You never need to reboot, even after a crash or adding new software.
-Its compatible & completely usable with really old hardware.
-Drivers & software update themselves.
-Regular free updates, new versions every 6 months which are legal to fileshare.
-The linux forums are very helpful, especially to noobs.
-Its completely free

BTW, I've got a Win 98 disk ere 2
Only using 23% of processor speed idling with Vista & Xp in virtualbox but the screen capture utility eats my cpu speed when i'm recording the vids.

PogMoThoin

HavoK wrote: »

What's wine like these days? Always wanted try out Linux but...

Not used it much, but supposed to be way better in Gutsy from what i hear

awhir

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Not used it much, but supposed to be way better in Gutsy from what i hear

lunix talk creeps me out:p

conzy

Is it possible to run a VM inside a VM? im guessing no

PogMoThoin

Khannie wrote: »

With my quad core and kvm, I'd fully expect to be able to comfortably run the host OS and 3 virtual boxes without any trouble.

:rolleyes: This, is just for U, cos ya reckon it could be done :eek: V suprised its not choppy but this time i set recordMyDesktop to save on other raptor & came out perfect. Crazy $hit Man these Quads are monsters

Gonna have a google of KVM like ya suggested.

Khannie

PMT: gg.

Anti wrote: »

But what is the performance like in say ubuntu with kvm with vista and xp. Will i notice a big hit in performance when playing games ?

Really, the goal is native linux gaming. All of the quake series and Unreal Tournament series run natively on linux. FPS is basically exactly the same as in windows. Nvidia graphics cards still far outperform ATI from what I understand, but ATI is really getting there.

For non-native / emulation....Usually all the popular games get wine support quickly (world of warcraft, CS:S, etc.). There are limitations though. No AA in CS:S for example.

I saw Direct3D support added to vmware, but I wouldn't even bother trying it tbh.

conzymaher wrote: »

Is it possible to run a VM inside a VM? im guessing no

Don't see why not tbh. Would be dog slow though.

nibble

Khannie wrote: »

PMT: gg.



Really, the goal is native linux gaming. All of the quake series and Unreal Tournament series run natively on linux. FPS is basically exactly the same as in windows. Nvidia graphics cards still far outperform ATI from what I understand, but ATI is really getting there.

For non-native / emulation....Usually all the popular games get wine support quickly (world of warcraft, CS:S, etc.). There are limitations though. No AA in CS:S for example.

I saw Direct3D support added to vmware, but I wouldn't even bother trying it tbh.



Don't see why not tbh. Would be dog slow though.

Ehh I'd hardly say all the popular games get proper wine support quickly, most won't really ever. You've got a bit more luck with opengl games, not that much though. Wine is kinda finicky, one release will work with x program and the next release will break support.

Anti

See, this is the problem i have with linux. One person will say its great and it supports this and that. Then the next person will say it dosent really support it etc etc.

PogMoThoin

Honestly, the only things that i have that are not supported in linux are my X-fi & webcam, both creative products. Not suprised @ this @ all as creatives windows driver support is dismal anyway. There's a linux driver for the x-fi, but its for 64bit Ubuntu & I don't feel like reinstallin again. My onboard sound works fine in Ubuntu, I just use 2 channel output & I use the X-fi in Vista for true 5.1 for gaming. Webcam not bother me either as i only use it 2 vid call my sis every 2 weeks. Everything else worked straight away, bluetooth dongle, printer, usb hub, usb cordless mouse (even pop up to say when bat low), multimedia keyboard (had to set media & shortcut keys manually) & even the wifi on mobo works. So I'm happy

nibble

Anti wrote: »

See, this is the problem i have with linux. One person will say its great and it supports this and that. Then the next person will say it dosent really support it etc etc.

You kinda have to get over it not supporting windows software, use open source alternatives where possible many are even better than commercial windows software. But for some stuff like cad your going to need windows, there's just not a big enough linux workstation market for them to release the stuff for it... yet.

For hardware nearly everything is supported these days, well all the main stuff anyway. If it isn't its the manufacturers fault for not releasing the docs for the hardware, there's plenty of people willing to write drivers out there. Take for example the open source ati 3d drivers - with only about 70% of the documentation they need they've written a driver that outperforms the closed ati one.

Khannie

Anti wrote: »

See, this is the problem i have with linux. One person will say its great and it supports this and that. Then the next person will say it dosent really support it etc etc.

Don't expect every game to run in linux. It just wont. This is linux's greatest drawback. It's not an issue for me since I'm a UT man and don't have time to play all those other FPS's.

Some games that work in linux:
Unreal Tournament (all versions, native)
Quake (all versions, native) and all other id software games.
World of warcraft (wine)
HL2 and derivatives (wine)
Warsow (native)
BSG: Beyond the red line (native)

If you're that curious...give it a whirl. All you do is f*ck around with computers all day anyway. :P

PogMoThoin

Khannie wrote: »

All you do is f*ck around with computers all day anyway. :P

ROFL @ that

PogMoThoin

TonyM. wrote: »

I ordered the disc cost me 1p on e-bay and £2.50 delivery.

[URL="http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/10/
two-souped-mobos-asus-p5k3"]http://www.theinquirer.net/gb
/inquirer/news/2007/11/10/two-souped-mobos-asus-p5k3[/URL]

:rolleyes: wha? Your link is dead m8

TonyM.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/10/two-souped-mobos-asus-p5k3

fixed it

SouperComputer

Now you just need to add OS X

PogMoThoin

SouperComputer wrote: »

Now you just need to add OS X

:rolleyes: Rushes 2 check the warez sites

RoyalMarine

PogMoThoin wrote: »

:rolleyes: Rushes 2 check the warez sites

love this thread. and love the 2 - 3 operating systems at once.
im looking at switching to linux soon, as im very hating windows right now.

ive got a dell xps 1710, but will i get the drivers for all my hardware?
games i play are css, hl2, cod and a few other's.
nothing huge really.

so... for best over all performance, what should i go for?

Bigchrome

Well seeing as all extreme overclockers and benchers/gamers run OSX....oh wait.. They, um, don't... Forget it, use windows.

PogMoThoin

Bigchrome wrote: »

Well seeing as all extreme overclockers and benchers/gamers run OSX....oh wait.. They, um, don't... Forget it, use windows.

:rolleyes: Its linux, not OSX. I'm an extreme overclocker & a gamer also, so why you tell him "forget it, use windows". Shows how little u really know.

I have Vista dual boot, its vista i use for my oc'in, but for my day to day stuff, surfin, music, dvd rips etc I much prefer linux. Boots quicker, doesn't hog my system, no av scans, no spyware worries & mostly its not m$ & all software is completely free

RoyalMarineComm, to answer your question, setup a dual boot, create a 30Gb partion for Ubuntu (or whatever distro u choose). Use windows for gaming for best performance as virtualboxed windows will not handle gaming. Some older games are native to linux tho, (Quake & CS & a few others).

You dont need drivers for linux, it will pick up almost everything by default, others might just need tweaking. My X-fi wont work, but this is down to Creative not releasing the driver, not the os (then again it doesn't run very well on Vista either). There are also new updates released everyday, and a complete new os released every 6months (not every 5yrs & unfinished & buggy like m$).

Good luck m8

Pog

BTW, I've convinced 3 mates move 2 linux, 2 of them have abandoned Windows, other just uses windows for autocad & photoshop, until he learns how to virtualise it

gline

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Check out my vid:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=vuNEL3YSHh0

Can hardly believe this was possible myself. Crazy $hit this virtualbox. My e-penis has just got bigger

Linux FTW

pretty cool man

Bigchrome

PogMoThoin wrote: »

:rolleyes: Its linux, not OSX. I'm an extreme overclocker & a gamer also, so why you tell him "forget it, use windows". Shows how little u really know.

I have Vista dual boot, its vista i use for my oc'in, but for my day to day stuff, surfin, music, dvd rips etc I much prefer linux. Boots quicker, doesn't hog my system, no av scans, no spyware worries & mostly its not m$ & all software is completely free

RoyalMarineComm, to answer your question, setup a dual boot, create a 30Gb partion for Ubuntu (or whatever distro u choose). Use windows for gaming for best performance as virtualboxed windows will not handle gaming. Some older games are native to linux tho, (Quake & CS & a few others).

You dont need drivers for linux, it will pick up almost everything by default, others might just need tweaking. My X-fi wont work, but this is down to Creative not releasing the driver, not the os (then again it doesn't run very well on Vista either). There are also new updates released everyday, and a complete new os released every 6months (not every 5yrs & unfinished & buggy like m$).

Good luck m8

Pog

BTW, I've convinced 3 mates move 2 linux, 2 of them have abandoned Windows, other just uses windows for autocad & photoshop, until he learns how to virtualise it

You use Vista for OCing....****ing says it all RIGHT there...

I was talking about Soupercomputer's comment to get OSX....I don't think I'm quite bad enough to mistake a 5 letter word for a 3 letter acronynm.

TonyM.

I set up Ubantu on my old Opteron rig, the instalation was easy but trying to install drivers is a nightmare its Windows 95 time again .

Can i network this thing to XP PRO.?

nibble

TonyM. wrote: »

I set up Ubantu on my old Opteron rig, the instalation was easy but trying to install drivers is a nightmare its Windows 95 time again .

Can i network this thing to XP PRO.?

Yeah, you'll need samba though..

TonyM.

nibble wrote: »

Yeah, you'll need samba though..

Do i have to learn Klingon too .

Debian ,Suse,kernel module .Gnome,Hoary,Kde,apt-get,

PogMoThoin

Bigchrome wrote: »

You use Vista for OCing....****ing says it all RIGHT there...

:rolleyes: Point being, You've no need for an oc in linux, it flies & will run on a Pentium 3 or less, like 2 see you tryin 2 run Vista or even Xp on one

TonyM:

sudo apt-get install samba

Easy as that, your shared folders on your network will show up then.

Also look in2 secure shell

SouperComputer

Bigchrome wrote: »

Well seeing as all extreme overclockers and benchers/gamers run OSX....oh wait.. They, um, don't... Forget it, use windows.

Meh, like Jobs said in '84 "times are a changin''. Certainly any hacker (in the correct sense, not the idiotic hyper-media sense) worth his/her salt has probably played with OS X at some stage. Maybe even some GEM, BEOS and BSD too. Otherwise one is just another Windoze lamer, hehe.

Point being, You've no need for an oc in linux, it flies & will run on a Pentium 3 or less, like 2 see you tryin 2 run Vista or even Xp on one

Starting to sound a bit fanboyish there Theres no "need" for an overclock to run Windows either.

TonyM wrote:

Can i network this thing to XP PRO.

Yup, like the guys said, SAMBA is the way to go. Setting it up is easy, securing is is another issue, but it should be fine on your LAN. Be forwarned that SAMBA doesnt support NTLDMv2 yet, and so Vista machines will either point blank refuse to connect or the performance will be pathetic without a registry change.

Configuring SAMBA is the fun part. Especially if you are new to linux, between getting the share rights, groups and privlidges to work along with your unix ones is the messy part.

If you want to cheat and not manually edit the smb.conf, you can use SWAT which is a web-based config tool.

SAMBA can also be setup as a domain controller for Windows machine with roaming profiles which is a cool project.

What hardware was giving you hassle BTW.

Khannie

Eh, I overclock and run linux. Q6600@3.0GHz. It's not all 1337, but it does me fine. There's also a facility with the nvidia drivers for overclocking my 8800GTS, but I haven't bothered yet tbh.

PogMoThoin

SouperComputer wrote: »

Starting to sound a bit fanboyish there

Nah, have 4Gb Gskill pc2 8000 ram ordered & gettin 8800GTS as i cant play latest games with 256mb 7900GT. Will be usin Vista more often then. I just love messin about & oc'in. Its all knowlege at the end of the day.

TonyM.

I seem to have it running OK for now but if Vista was the same price I would be going for it.

Bigchrome

Ok, what's with everyone talking about vista here???:(
The way I see it there are two OS choices for 32bit... XP and server 2003 and for 64bit....XP 64bit. NOTHING ELSE. Especially not vista:p

awhir

Bigchrome wrote: »

Ok, what's with everyone talking about vista here???:(
The way I see it there are two OS choices for 32bit... XP and server 2003 and for 64bit....XP 64bit. NOTHING ELSE. Especially not vista:p

well half these people dont build there Urber pc's like ur slef and bench them 24/7.so vista is a luxury.