Development in Tramore

Sully

Hey..

Anyone have any information on what road changes are being carried out by the ESB field in Tramore? I know they (seem to at least) have begun development of the new shopping center (Tesco, and Lidl) there but I cant recall what road changes are being made and when the ETA for the whole thing is.

Also, Londis is being replaced by some food store. Got a butcher counter, vegatables and such stuff. Seems good.

rasper

or any word on the development that is being planned beside the Lido's pizza down on the prom,
Evidently they're after planning permission for a four story structure with a viewing point on top, to include restraraunt, pub , shops etc. Four stories seems excessive there considering it's surroundings but at least they aint looking for more bad build holiday lets

Sully

rasper wrote: »

or any word on the development that is being planned beside the Lido's pizza down on the prom,
Evidently they're after planning permission for a four story structure with a viewing point on top, to include restraraunt, pub , shops etc. Four stories seems excessive there considering it's surrounding but at least they aint looking for more bad build holiday lets

That, and also Dunnes.

News & Star has said very little about it so far.

sm123_irl

The hotel \ hostel that was planned next to Lido had its planning permission turned down, Dunnes will be going where South \ CeltWorld was and that go the go ahead at the same time as the Tesco \ Lidi complex. The road leading into that will come off the Meadowbrook round about which will be made bigger and moved slightly with the Summerhill road from the graveyard being closed off from what I have heard.

rasper

I do wonder if that is the best location for a Dunnes stores, granted anything is better than the eyesore that is there now but a shopping centre generally can have a run down appearance and play havoc with the traffic flow very quickly.

That said are three supermarkets really going to fight for the Tramore market now, or are the developers going to now amend the PP for other tenants.

Sully

Im more concerned about the impact it will have on the history of the area - ie railway station. I hope the design is good and the apperance is kept clean, as that area need a good clean up (thanks to Mr.Piper & The Doolys for their effort anyway).

Tesco, Lidi and Dunnes - Cant see Super Value liking that at all.

rasper

Thats what I'm saying, it all looks good in plan and when freshly built but throw a few years and usual degradation onto a complex and can end up a s**thole, I'm sure Souths looked great on paper and even when it was shiny.

Can't touch the station (Thank god), and probably/hopefully be tenfold better after for a long number of years.

Sully

rasper wrote: »

Thats what I'm saying, it all looks good in plan and when freshly built but throw a few years and usual degradation onto a complex and can end up a s**thole, I'm sure Souths looked great on paper and even when it was shiny.

Can't touch the station (Thank god), and probably/hopefully be tenfold better after for a long number of years.

Aye, good thing is some places keep it as good as it appears on paper. Other places don't - and iv never been to fond of Dunnes.

looksee

Given the size of population in Tramore now it could certainly support more than the existing one supermarket, and if trade is attracted into Tramore it can only improve the town and support smaller shops. It will draw trade out of Waterford though and the rumoured demolition of the Poleberry Tesco and rebuilding as a larger Tesco seems very unlikely - has anyone heard anything about that?

Sully

looksee wrote: »

Given the size of population in Tramore now it could certainly support more than the existing one supermarket, and if trade is attracted into Tramore it can only improve the town and support smaller shops. It will draw trade out of Waterford though and the rumoured demolition of the Poleberry Tesco and rebuilding as a larger Tesco seems very unlikely - has anyone heard anything about that?

If I recall, I read in the News & Star that planning got the go ahead for that..

Its no rumour. I think Tramore is going to pull from towns surrounding us, and some Waterfordians. But Waterford will still be key for draging in people from places like KK, Cork, Carlow etc.

Sully

The development wont start until the new year sometime, as they were delayed due to problems getting access to the site to do the new road way. Thats all sorted now and there looking for a contractor for the Tesco.

Lidl was objected to by one person, and a decision is due on November 28th. Hope it gets the go-ahead.

Minto

TBH, I think it's kind of stupid to put Lidl and Tesco in the same place. What ever happened to it going down where South used to be?

Are the plans available for viewing anywhere in the town? Tank field or the library, maybe?

shanethemofo

In the CornField there is a tesco and an aldi planned i thought?

Also the new school is going in there, they have the site bought and all i think.

As for the railway station, here's hoping its kept simple and blends in mainly.

Good times ahead for tramore though.

DéiseGirl

shanethemofo wrote: »

In the CornField there is a tesco and an aldi planned i thought?

Also the new school is going in there, they have the site bought and all i think.

As for the railway station, here's hoping its kept simple and blends in mainly.

Good times ahead for tramore though.

Yeah it's about time Tramore got a few more shops! I don't get home that much but when I do things don't seem to change very much in the town, apart from another field full of houses slapped up here and there

Sully

Minto wrote: »

TBH, I think it's kind of stupid to put Lidl and Tesco in the same place. What ever happened to it going down where South used to be?

Are the plans available for viewing anywhere in the town? Tank field or the library, maybe?

Lidl tried nearly everywhere but the council kept saying no. In the end it moved in with Tesco on the cornfield. Dont personally see a problem with it, makes it more centralised. Its two completely different type of store attracting two different markets.

Plans are (or at least were) available in Waterford somewhere. Cant recall where the office for it is.

shanethemofo wrote: »

In the CornField there is a tesco and an aldi planned i thought?

Also the new school is going in there, they have the site bought and all i think.

As for the railway station, here's hoping its kept simple and blends in mainly.

Good times ahead for tramore though.

Tesco is, it remains to be seen if Lidl will.. planning has yet to be accepted.

The school has the land, but as usual the government are ignoring us. They cant build until the nod is given, and it aint

sm123_irl

Lidi did get permission to be built, even tho is was only conditional.

http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=06982

scout353

Hopefully the new supermarkets will provide some much needed competition - SuperValu needs a major kick in the arse!!

Sully

sm123_irl wrote: »

Lidi did get permission to be built, even tho is was only conditional.

http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=06982

If I read that correctly, the conditions were set in July/August. However, the News & Star said a decision was due sometime in the last week or so?

rasper

sm123_irl wrote: »

The hotel \ hostel that was planned next to Lido had its planning permission turned down, Dunnes will be going where South \ CeltWorld was and that go the go ahead at the same time as the Tesco \ Lidi complex.

The development beside Lido has been resubmitted , reading it their seems to have been a number of objections from local residents. In two minds over it could be both good and bad for the town , there's an interesting report on shopping and consumers in Tramore. I don't really see what they've changed in the plans so one could take it that there was only a few flaws to correct and they may get PP then.

http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=07817

Sully

Aldi had applied for permission but afaik, got rejected. They are working on another application afaik.

Also, there has been mention of some big development down around the end of Racecourse Road, the big green area by the roundabout at Sumerville. Similar complex to the one up by the ESB.

CantGetNoSleep

Is there anything else about a planned luxury hotel around Garraus? That is something I feel would add to the image and type of tourist to the town

Does Tramore really need all these new supermarkets? I agree that we need some more to bring competition to SuperValu, but if we have Lidl, Dunnes, Tesco, Aldi and SuperValu? It can only be a good thing as regards choice for consumers and prices but realistically will they all stay open?

rasper

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

but if we have Lidl, Dunnes, Tesco, Aldi and SuperValu? It can only be a good thing as regards choice for consumers and prices but realistically will they all stay open?

I'm sure the German/Irish or Brit big boys are not intending on shutting down early, and they ain't out to fight each other too much so I can only assume that the market is there and will grow.ge

At this stage I myself do not feel that 90% of the Tramore tourists bring anything to the year round residents only misery, feel it's gone beyond the time we should ditch the chips and walzter image thats stuck like a bad smell over the years.
Who exactly is proud or benefits from this, please no more hotels and their related effects

sm123_irl

Sully wrote: »

Aldi had applied for permission but afaik, got rejected. They are working on another application afaik.

Your wrong there Aldi got permission not sure when they are starting tho. The amusemant park has being sold or so i've being told for aprox 11 million so it will be there for another 4 years before it moves to its new site down where the dump was. So very soon we won't know Tramore at all and we call hopefully look forward to more companies opening up

Sully

Are you sure? I could of sworn I read in the News & Star that Lidl got the go ahead, but Aldi didnt. Guess im wrong, I dont know if I have a copy of the article or not.

Iv heard about the Amusment Park - tis part of the Tramore Development Plan. Probably be replaced with apartments or something!

paul666

i am absolutly 1000000% sure that the ammusement park hasnt been sold. there were talks about selling the land about 10 months ago but it was only talks.
but it will be sold eventually im sure for the right money

dont ask me why im that sure lol

sm123_irl

ok paul I won't ask ya but lets just say I know a few people involved and they have said yes

Sully

Well your source for Aldi seems to have got it wrong.. according to the News & Star, January 18th! Could they have got the Amusements wrong to? I know the plan for it, but heard nothing about it being sold (yet).

Aldi - the German owned international supermarket chain which was already refused planning permission for a store at Crobally, on the main Waterford/Tramore Road, has re-submitted an application. Further information has been sought on the application for 0.84 hectare site. To enable the construction of the discount foodstore as well as a car park and a number of apartments it is proposed to demolish the existing dwelling on the site.

It goes onto discuss other developments at that spot, which "planning permission will be submitted to the Co. Council shortly". (Waterford News & Star, January 18th, 2008)

sm123_irl

Thats nearly 2 weeks old Sully so maybe things have changed in those 2 weeks so there is a good chance that i am right.

Sully

sm123_irl wrote: »

Thats nearly 2 weeks old Sully so maybe things have changed in those 2 weeks so there is a good chance that i am right.

Iv never seen planning be so quick, it normally takes longer then 2 weeks to decide on an application!

And according to the Council, it has not been decided. Nor have they received information on it.

http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=071576

Plus, there seems to be a few objections so id say it would take a while to go through the application. Guess we will have to wait and see!

sm123_irl

Sully wrote: »

Iv never seen planning be so quick, it normally takes longer then 2 weeks to decide on an application!

That website is never updated straight away and that application has being in since 17\10\07

Sully

According the the Planning Dept. as soon as the information is received its scanned in - it should take no longer then 5 working days for the website to update. People have up to two weeks to make an observation on the information received and by law they (planning dept) have 4 weeks to decide.

Based on that, I would imagine the further information has yet to be received by the council or its just taking a bit longer then usual for the website to update. Either way, it would seem (based on what they said to me, and general common sense) the application has yet to be finalised.

rasper

At the risk of coming across as a Brendan McCann, I see that the residential property beside the Ala Uddin Indian restaurant on Turkey road has been granted permission for yet another Takeaway.
I would have thought (maybe I'm wrong) but the last thing that it needed was another dingy takeaway.
So do the planning authority have any say what type of business a residential property changes to e.g strip club,night club or takeaway, or does it solely grant permission to commercial use. It's a real question if anyone knows?

http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=07866

Sully

Meh, it probably wont last long. I assume that's the same Paddy Early that used to run Londis? The one on Priests Road that never took of? Never liked that store for various reasons. I don't think he used to run it, I think he leased it out and no manager succeeded with the shop.

rasper

I hope thats true, but still theres now a property that can be sold with FPP for another sleazy chipper on what is a very main and symbolic street of our town, it's all about impressions.

Sully

That street is hardly symbolic. Its always been run-down. The few houses that are actually lived in are old but the rest is either derlicit, empty shop units, flats or takeaways. The spot where Charlie Strings was for a large period of time a whole. Freddies club was the only decent looking place.

But I wouldnt like to see another takeway there.

rasper

Just because the street has always been an eyesore does not mean unfortunately that it is not a symbol of the town.
The fact is that it is the first view of the heart of the town that the vast majority of visitors get on driving in or through, so therefore a symbol of town.
The fact that the remaining residential properties are "old" and part of the original town is all the more reason to preserve and restore.
Remember this years quote in the lonely planet that "Tramore has more fast food restaurants per sq. mt. than"???

Sully

Its hardly the first street of the town. Most tourists look more at the Majestic and the Promenade. They take little notice of that small stretch of road. My point is, its an eyesore and therefore tourists would have a negative view on it. Symbolic streets should be preserved that way - this street may be considered that, but it hardly is at the moment and a tourist wouldnt even consider it anything special. Though, thats just my opinion.

Its a seaside resort and we dont have an awful lot of fast food restaurants. Its what you expect in such a town.

Psychedelic

that lonely planet quote is so stupid. i think they said the exact same thing in last year's edition.

just for the record:
1. Tony's
2. Welcome Chinese Takeaway
3. The Sandcastle Shop
4. Beach Grill
5. Dooley's
6. Lido's
7. Milennium (formely Coney Island)
8. Cunninghams
9. Misty's
10. Corner Kebab Shop (closed now i think)
11. Alauddin (the Indian place on Turkey Road)

hardly a huge number for a seaside town.

Sully

Note: Sandcastle Shop and Mistys are open during the summer months only. Kebab Shop is closed but I assume for renovation. Each take away is spread out over the town center, and I dont think its a large number for the type of town we are.

CantGetNoSleep

Sully wrote: »

Note: Sandcastle Shop and Mistys are open during the summer months only. Kebab Shop is closed but I assume for renovation. Each take away is spread out over the town center, and I dont think its a large number for the type of town we are.

I heard on Beat news the other day that the junction was closed for hygiene reasons by the health board, ill try find a link

Sully

Interesting. I just saw it covered up (the windows) and assumed it was under renovatioon. Never knew it was that bad..

paul666

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

I heard on Beat news the other day that the junction was closed for hygiene reasons by the health board, ill try find a link

oh my god i ate out of there a few months ago now im feeling sick

Minto

They seem to be revamping the inside as well though. I passed there in a car last night and the window were the coke cooler usually is was not blocked in and it looked as if they've taken out the counter. So maybe they are using the time, to really change the place.

On a side note, does anyone know if Charlie's was open last night? I passed there at about 10 past 2 and the place looked closed.

CantGetNoSleep

Does Charlies not close at 2 anyway?

CantGetNoSleep

From the Irish Times

Take-away shut down over food safety

A take-away restaurant in Waterford was ordered to shut down for breaches of food safety legislation that may have put the health of its customers in danger.

The Food Safety Authority of Ireland (FSAI) said two enforcement orders were served on food businesses in January for such breaches.

A closure order was served by environmental health officers on Junction House Take-Away, Strand Street, Tramore, Co Waterford.

An improvement order was also issued on Steering Wheel Public House on Main Street, Clondalkin, Dublin 22.

FSAI chief executive John O'Brien said the steps were necessary to protect consumers' health.

Dr O'Brien said most enforcement orders are "due to the same easily preventable faults". These include poor hygiene, inappropriate storage or inadequate refrigeration, inadequate cooking or re-heating, cross-contamination from raw to cooked foods, infected food handlers and inadequately trained or supervised staff.

paul666

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Does Charlies not close at 2 anyway?

Charlies was open.
redz is closed now till easter charlies took all its business
its a shame really as redz is 100 miles a better club than that other kip
but someone got greedy and charged at the door and the price of drink rocketed after midnight
its one or the other but not both. we aint all fools
leason learned now!!

i will never go into that juntion takeaway again
it takes alot for a place to get shut down. they get random inspections and if they dont adhere to the rules they get a warning and then another inspection and so on
so it must of been stink in there

Sully

Minto wrote: »

They seem to be revamping the inside as well though. I passed there in a car last night and the window were the coke cooler usually is was not blocked in and it looked as if they've taken out the counter. So maybe they are using the time, to really change the place.

On a side note, does anyone know if Charlie's was open last night? I passed there at about 10 past 2 and the place looked closed.

2.10? I drove past at half past and the whole area was mobbed with people! Guards watching from the Junction as per usual. Looked like a busy night in Charlie's!

paul666 wrote: »

Charlies was open.
redz is closed now till easter charlies took all its business
its a shame really as redz is 100 miles a better club than that other kip
but someone got greedy and charged at the door and the price of drink rocketed after midnight
its one or the other but not both. we aint all fools
leason learned now!!

People in Tramore I have spoken to preferred the Baldy Man, and hated the idea of up stairs being closed since Redz kicked in. Why it was decided to change, is beyond me. People wanted upstairs, and it was taken from them. Prices do go up after midnight, but to be fair most clubs have an enterance fee. Its closed until Paddys Day and I believe they are making MORE changes to Redz, something about having upstairs opened the odd time for bands etc. Might be worth something?

From what I hear, the whole Sands Complex business has dropped considerably. Bad management? Seems to be. The whole block seems to be doing poorly lately, and its under new management. Charlie's really put in good competition but rumour has it that place is possibly going to close up to!

i will never go into that juntion takeaway again
it takes alot for a place to get shut down. they get random inspections and if they dont adhere to the rules they get a warning and then another inspection and so on
so it must of been stink in there

Used to be a very busy takeaway, a gold mine. Always called "Chernobyl Chipper" (never eaten in there) and now we know why!!

Minto

Sully wrote: »

2.10? I drove past at half past and the whole area was mobbed with people! Guards watching from the Junction as per usual. Looked like a busy night in Charlie's!

Are you talking about Saturday night? Cos, the place looked locked up tight on Friday night. Tonies was also closed very early on Friday night.

paul666 wrote:

Charged at the door and the price of drink rocketed after midnight

I work there and the prices don't change after 12. The charge on the door was too high when they reopened, but ages ago they were put back to the same price as The Baldy used to be.

CantGetNoSleep wrote:

Does Charlies not close at 2 anyway?

Yea, it does, but you would expect people to be hanging around outside there and the doors would not be locked and the lights off by 10 past. Hell the DJ usually goes til 10 or 20 past.

Sully

Minto wrote: »

Are you talking about Saturday night? Cos, the place looked locked up tight on Friday night. Tonies was also closed very early on Friday night.

Saturday night I was talking about. Friday was quiet, but around the same time. Tonys closes at 2AM on a Friday.

SameDifference

I went to Tramore on rugby tour. Everything was shut. Our tour song basically became a strange version of thats amore (thats tramore. It was about all the pubs being shut bar one)

Sully

Depends when you were where.. the town closes up in the winter. Some pubs open past midday, most restaurants open all day.. Take ways late afternoon..