Buying airsoft in Ireland

HarryHirsch

I would like to order airsoft markers in Ireland, but there is not alot of choice. The are only 2 shops that I know. Airsofteire is not a good deal. I've asked them for a CA SAR II Tactical RIfle. They told me it will take 2 Weeks and about 300 Euro. I got it cheaper and faster from somewhere else. Eiresoft dont have the guns that I'm looking for (especially the new ones, like the Cyma CM032(A) or the new Jing Gong AUG G2, Mossberg M500SSB etc.) Why isn't it posible to order these Guns in Ieland and the dealer will put in a M100 Spring and a upgrade kit with steel bushings, high torque gears and a new Piston. I would pay extra money for that, as long i could get that what I want without caring about legal consequences.

kdouglas

There's also BFSL/MIA you missed there

the problem that your having is likely because your looking for something that is not exactly mainstream, at the moment, although airsoft has grown at a fantastic rate over the last year and a bit, it is still a somewhat limited market for dealers, they cannot stock everything that is available, they will only stock what is going to sell, and rightly so because if they stock things nobody wants they will get no business

again, similarly with your request for the upgrades to be performed, retailers either dont have the time or the expertise to do this, with the amount of orders they would do, they cant afford to spend anywhere from 30mins to several hours per AEG doing modifications to it, some guns such as the JG g36 which normally fire at 350fps have been brought in by Shiva (eirsoft.ie) and downgraded to below 1Joule, however as far as i know, he has to order a minimum quantity of these before the supplier will downgrade them for him.

it is not possible for a retailer to import them and then downgrade them because they are not firearms dealers and would require licencing to import anything over 1Joule, regardless of if they are going to downgrade them once they are done

also, why do you want high torque gears? these are completely unneccessary for anything below or at 1Joule

Cuddlesworth

There are more cost's and implications to buying abroad then you could be aware of.

You don't need this tourqe upgrade kit, unless you plan to put your gun above 1 joule. I had a G3A3, the same gun but without the bipod and cheekrest on the stock. It has a insane rate of fire, even more so with a 9.6volt in it, and the gearbox can easily handle it. The range is good, and they come as stock around .95 of a joule.

But thats around .95 joule, mine was point .98. A little bit more when being imported and they trash your AEG and you get nothing. A good reason to buy Irish.

AirsoftEire.com

We didn't sell the CA SAR II Tactical Rifle, let alone stock it in the first place.
How do you expect it to be imported in anything less than 2 weeks?

We also would have had to import one single rifle for you so our shipping costs would have been extremely high, and we were still selling it at a great price of €299.99, a price you will not do better on in Europe.

At least you got your rifle for a price you're happy with.

Steve

bullets

Anything CA brand is expensive anyway! 300 sounds like a standard price.

Nice AEG how much did you end up paying in Total including shipping?
Wondering how much cash you saved by importing it yourself?

A lot of the guys here seem to be getting hit with Customs charges lately.
Personally I would be slow to import one myself. (even though I have
done it myself and been lucky twice) If anything goes wrong with
it its Hassle to post it back and then deal with maybe a company where
english is not the first language and having all the postage costs and fuss.
Since the 3 stores opened up here I know I have gotton fierce lazy and just
wait for something to appear that I like or ask the guys to get me something.


~B

Grayfox

kdouglas wrote: »

There's also BFSL/MIA you missed there

What are these sites or shops, if sites could you give me full url so i can check em out!

bullets

Ballymount is both a real steel and airsoft place:

http://www.ballymountfs.com/_shop/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=28

~B

AirsoftEire.com

Grayfox wrote: »

What are these sites or shops, if sites could you give me full url so i can check em out!

Hi grayfox our Url is www.airsofteire.com but there are other retailers availiable to you, check out this tread as well, best of luck and happy shopping! http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054978008

HarryHirsch

I could imagine that there are a lot of people are interested in one of the following models:

1) CYMA CM.032 M14 plastic wood stock (Much better than AGM)
2) CYMA CM.032A M14 SOCOM OD or black (Much better than AGM)
3) Jing Gong (JG) military AUG G2
4) ACM Mossberg M500SSB
5) Jing Gong HK416
6) Jing Gong SIG 550

Will it be possible to get them in Ireland?

Classic Army SAR Tactical Rifle II at Airsplat.com ( 260 US$) + Express Shipping US-Post EMS (100 US$) = 360 US$ ~ 247 €

kdouglas

there was a thread a while back about the mossberg, cant remember what power it fired at, but i think it was a bit iffy as to whether or not it was under 1 joule or not

as with everything, if there is demand, im sure the local retailers will import them

the JG HK 416 (and i think the Sig 550 aswell) is very new, not even sure what china retailers have them yet, so give the irish ones a chance to see how popular they are

HarryHirsch

The HK 416 is already available at RSOV Link

The SIG 550 will be available soon (Jan 08)

A detailed review of the Mossberg 500SSB 8mmBB will be available on airsoftnews.eu If you find anywhere the fps you will have to remember the this thing shoots 8mm BBs with .48 g

Shiva

1) CYMA CM.032 M14 plastic wood stock (Much better than AGM)
2) CYMA CM.032A M14 SOCOM OD or black (Much better than AGM)

Both over 1 joule.

3) Jing Gong (JG) military AUG G2

Only released a week or so ago. Possibly over 1 joule, looking for confirmation.

4) ACM Mossberg M500SSB

Over 1 joule by a long shot.

5) Jing Gong HK416

Possibly over 1 joule - I'm looking for confirmation before I order it.

5) Jing Gong Sig 550

Power unknown. If its less than 1 joule, it'll be available from an Irish retailer.

As has been stated above, Airsoft is very new in this country, and all of the retailers are in virgin territory - we all have only vague ideas of what will sell, and in what quantities.

To be perfectly honest, I think you have a damn cheek making bitchy comments about the lack of choice with Irish airsoft retailers - 6 months ago there were none, now you have three to choose from. If we don't stock something, I'm sure all three of us will do our best to get it in, once its legal. Its not our fault if you want something that's either illegal or uncommon. We're not going to stock something that might not sell in the vague hope someone will buy it. Retailing airsoft devices in this country at this point in time is financially risky enough as it is without adding to the burden.

I'm not even going to dignify your point about us illegally importing something to downgrade with a response.

HarryHirsch

I have the AUG G2. It's a real beauty. Surprisingly good build quality with 350 fps (chroned by Paul last Saturday)

It was not meant to criticize,it was only a suggestion.

zero19

+1 shiva. I used to buy from other countries back last august and the service i get now is so much better, help is not far away if things go pear shaped. You can't put a price on peace of mind!

Shiva

HarryHirsch wrote: »

I have the AUG G2. It's a real beauty. Surprisingly good build quality with 350 fps (chroned by Paul last Saturday)

Well now you know why you wont be seeing it on an Irish retailer's site any time soon.

kdouglas

HarryHirsch wrote: »

I have the AUG G2. It's a real beauty. Surprisingly good build quality with 350 fps (chroned by Paul last Saturday)

It was not meant to criticize,it was only a suggestion.

Eh.... if that's the case your in possession of an illegally held firearm

also, discussion of such is against the forum charter and will quickly earn you a ban, im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not know it was over 1 Joule when importing it and that you are taking necessary measures to have this rectified

AirsoftEire.com

Agreed.
Some very negative comments being made about positive steps foward.
It will be interesting to see how quickly he gets his rifle too and if he gets hit with custom charges, which will bring you over €300 easy.

HarryHirsch

I have exchanged the Spring on the same day, now it has 310 fps.

kdouglas

good to know

Gatling

then again it mightnt get through customs ,considering how many packages have been sent to the ballistic dept lately,dont mean that in a bad way harry
,there is a lot of stuff most of us would love to buy from an irish retailer,give it time and the selections will get a lot bigger

"PATIENCE"

Fallschirmjager

harry, why dont you open a shop?


i have so many names i could recommend but i dont want KD to ban me..

Hivemind187

+1 for the retailers willing to give it a go and support our fledgling sport.

Boo-sucks! to their detractors and whinging types with a bad case of the "gimme-gimmies". :mad:

Fallschirmjager

Hivemind187 wrote: »

with a bad case of the "gimme-gimmies". :mad:

hahahaha...i have to steal that...what a great comment...

HarryHirsch

I have an idea: you need a middleman in France, Austria or maybe UK, who orders the guns in Asia, modifies them to one Joule and sends them after that to Ireland.

Shiva

HarryHirsch wrote: »

I have an idea: you need a middleman in France, Austria or maybe UK, who orders the guns in Asia, modifies them to one Joule and sends them after that to Ireland.

Yeah... and then we'll only have to find suckers willing to pay €250 for a Cyma M14

Cuddlesworth

Here's a question. What are the implications of a AEG arriving without a spring? Could it be construed as any possible fps?

kdouglas

hmmm... an interesting thought, but not sure what would be the verdict, obviously it cant be fired, bit like a gun without a firing mechanism i guess?

Shiva

krazy_8s wrote: »

Here's a question. What are the implications of a AEG arriving without a spring? Could it be construed as any possible fps?

I suppose technically it would be an inert toy, and perfectly legal.

HarryHirsch

Shiva wrote: »

Yeah... and then we'll only have to find suckers willing to pay €250 for a Cyma M14

On the other hand it ist better to pay 250€ for something than to pay 164 € (M14 64 + 100 p&p) for nothing, in case it got seized.

PS: Another way to become chaper is a buyers club, the more buyers order the same thing the cheaper it gets .

kdouglas

HarryHirsch wrote: »

On the other hand it ist better to pay 250€ for something than to pay 164 € (M14 64 + 100 p&p) for nothing, in case it got seized.

PS: Another way to become chaper is a buyers club, the more buyers order the same thing the cheaper it gets .

And as Shiva said, the Cyma M14 is over 1 Joule, so what your talking about is illegally importing a firearm, consider this a warning, one more and you'll be banned

Fallschirmjager

krazy_8s wrote: »

Here's a question. What are the implications of a AEG arriving without a spring? Could it be construed as any possible fps?

i can guess..they would still ship it off to the gardai to see can it fire..

HarryHirsch

kdouglas wrote: »

And as Shiva said, the Cyma M14 is over 1 Joule, so what your talking about is illegally importing a firearm, consider this a warning, one more and you'll be banned

Misunderstanding? I thought it might be better to get a legal over a middleman and pay more than to order an illegal.

ED E

The no spring thing is a good idea...

AirsoftEire.com

It's interesting all right, I don't see how it breaks any law either.
Steve

hoplite

Yep springs dont cost too much so asking the suppliers to take the springs out of possibly hot AEGs and installing <1 Joule springs might be an option. Mind you time is then the factor so I dont know how long it takes to install a spring but that time has a euro value which has to get passed on. Its an interesting idea though.

Echo 1 in the states seem to have developed a business model repackaging clones from JG and others. I believe they QC them and rebox them and print their own manuals. Obviously theres a significant investment there for that type of business. Probably never going to be viable for the scale of the Irish market. Mind you Airsofts taken off quite unexpectedly here and we now have three retailers so who knows what the future holds :-)

All I know is that its hard to stop buyng bits and pieces (help!) :eek:

Gatling

i beleave ECHO1 are held in high regards stateside,actuly claim to be a manufactuer,they do a ebr for $200 with the conversion rate worth looking at,
AEG minus the spring would that not be considered an incomplete package and maybe warrant a price reduction,
some AEGs take 2 mins to do a spring change others can take a lot longer,so somebody has to be employed to do the job in the first place ,

Shiva

Gatling wrote: »

.... maybe warrant a price reduction,

If anything, I'd say a price increase. The only time difference between removing a spring and actually replacing one is about 10 seconds You still need to open the mechbox, and on most AEG's thats at least a 20 minute job. A lot longer on some Chinese guns.

Gatling

Shiva wrote: »

If anything, I'd say a price increase. The only time difference between removing a spring and actually replacing one is about 10 seconds You still need to open the mechbox, and on most AEG's thats at least a 20 minute job. A lot longer on some Chinese guns.

i know all about that last part, even if you were to buy them straight from the factory minus the springs ,it would cost more ,or is that including paying someone full time to carry out the work over here

Masada

Gatling wrote: »

i know all about that last part, even if you were to buy them straight from the factory minus the springs ,it would cost more ,or is that including paying someone full time to carry out the work over here

then theres obviously the issue of weather the aeg was tested to make sure its working and thats unlikely if they dont fit the springs in them huh., a good idea all the same., technically though whats to stop it happing with say a real beretta and just removing the firing pin or something and then ordering that seperate?

Fallschirmjager

i am not too sure this type of discussion about circumventing the law is wise for a public forum...just my tuppence worth

N.O.I.P.

vtec wrote: »

then theres obviously the issue of weather the aeg was tested to make sure its working and thats unlikely if they dont fit the springs in them huh., a good idea all the same., technically though whats to stop it happing with say a real beretta and just removing the firing pin or something and then ordering that seperate?

A license is required before you can import anything that's considered
"A component part of a firearm"

i am not too sure this type of discussion about circumventing the law is wise for a public forum...just my tuppence worth

Agreed big time

Cuddlesworth

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

i am not too sure this type of discussion about circumventing the law is wise for a public forum...just my tuppence worth

I don't see anybody discussing circumventing the law, I see them asking is it against the law. When you ship in a AEG with a spring inside you know the guns fires at ??? fps. To change that you can modify the gun, to change it from stock. But when a AEG is shipped without a spring, it means you will have to modify it. Essentially you can put anything in there, but you need to put something in there. The gun can't be tested, but for the most part is it capable of firing projectiles either above or below 1 joule.

kdouglas

vtec wrote: »

then theres obviously the issue of weather the aeg was tested to make sure its working and thats unlikely if they dont fit the springs in them huh., a good idea all the same., technically though whats to stop it happing with say a real beretta and just removing the firing pin or something and then ordering that seperate?

Leave real firearms out of this please, there are much stricter laws in place regarding the importation of parts of real guns


Let's face it lads, if you were gonna ask a retailer to remove a spring prior to shipping, you may aswell ask them to replace it with a 1 Joule (or less) spring, as Shiva said it wouldnt take them any extra time and it would save you having to open the gearbox again when it arrived in Ireland

Masada

kdouglas wrote: »

Leave real firearms out of this please, there are much stricter laws in place regarding the importation of parts of real guns


Let's face it lads, if you were gonna ask a retailer to remove a spring prior to shipping, you may aswell ask them to replace it with a 1 Joule (or less) spring, as Shiva said it wouldnt take them any extra time and it would save you having to open the gearbox again when it arrived in Ireland

it was simply a question, why do some people have to go off in a hisseyfit at the slightest mention of "those we do not speak of", It was inevitable that someone would wonder about this given the topic and as another person has said, a licence is required to do so (didnt know that to begin with)., I think i make a valid point with this as now that i think about it i dont think its a good idea to have airsoft rifles imported without springs included in them as the reason they are removed is because they are over the limit, and wouldnt the company just throw the spring in the box for you instead of leaving it out altogether,. then theres the question of weather the buyer(not always gonna be a responsible airsofter) will fit a legal spring to it and it only takes a few ar*eholes to do something stupid like that to get the rest of the responsible airsoft community a bad name and image,, much like the replicas that can be bought in the UK and on some online sites, and we all know what they are capabable of.,
ignorance ISNT bliss, not talking about something doesnt make it go away.,

o1s1n

vtec wrote: »

it was simply a question, why do some people have to go off in a hisseyfit at the slightest mention of "those we do not speak of", It was inevitable that someone would wonder about this given the topic and as another person has said, a licence is required to do so (didnt know that to begin with)., I think i make a valid point with this as now that i think about it i dont think its a good idea to have airsoft rifles imported without springs included in them as the reason they are removed is because they are over the limit, and wouldnt the company just throw the spring in the box for you instead of leaving it out altogether,. then theres the question of weather the buyer(not always gonna be a responsible airsofter) will fit a legal spring to it and it only takes a few ar*eholes to do something stupid like that to get the rest of the responsible airsoft community a bad name and image,, much like the replicas that can be bought in the UK and on some online sites, and we all know what they are capabable.,
ignorance ISNT bliss, not talking about something doesnt make it go away.,

????
Sorry but your post didn't make a shred of sense.
You need a license for parts of a firearm. Therefore importing one with parts missing so it's not functioning is still illegal as they're firearm components.

An airsoft with or without a spring removed is not a firearm and has absolutely nothing to do with firearms. Whatsoever.

It's not "brushing it under the carpet" or "pretending it's not there". The two things genuinely have absolutely nothing in common. Therefore why draw comparisons when you don't need to?

Hivemind187

o1s1n wrote: »

????
Sorry but your post didn't make a shred of sense.
You need a license for parts of a firearm. Therefore importing one with parts missing so it's not functioning is still illegal as they're firearm components.

An airsoft with or without a spring removed is not a firearm and has absolutely nothing to do with firearms. Whatsoever.

It's not "brushing it under the carpet" or "pretending it's not there". The two things genuinely have absolutely nothing in common. Therefore why draw comparisons when you don't need to?

Actually, doesnt the charter have something about not discussing dodgy things like real steel and over-powered Airsofts?

Masada

An airsoft with or without a spring removed is not a firearm and has absolutely nothing to do with firearms. Whatsoever

Yes it is, an airsoft that fires at more than the legal limit IS a firearm, weather you like it or not,

Edit:

Actually, doesnt the charter have something about not discussing dodgy things like real steel and over-powered Airsofts?

i didnt know that, i not bothering to get into this any deeper anyway.,

kdouglas

vtec wrote:

it was simply a question, why do some people have to go off in a hisseyfit at the slightest mention of "those we do not speak of"

didnt realise one simple sentence was a hissy fit?

vtec wrote: »

ignorance ISNT bliss, not talking about something doesnt make it go away.,

no you may discuss airsoft on this forum as much as you want and ive no problem with discussing the matter of removing the spring for shipping, but discussion about real firearms is not for here, if you want to do that, take it to the shooting forum

as you said, if the retailer removes the spring, theyll probably just leave it in the box with the aeg, im sure this would not go down well with garda ballistics if the spring in question was over 1J

if a retailer is willing to remove a spring for shipping, then you may as well just get them to put in a 1 Joule spring while they're at it, the only extra time involved is grabbing a spring and removing the packaging

Harekin

vtec wrote: »

Yes it is, an airsoft that fires at more than the legal limit IS a firearm, weather you like it or not,

But only if it has a spring fitted that'll put it over the limit.

kdouglas

vtec wrote: »

Yes it is, an airsoft that fires at more than the legal limit IS a firearm, weather you like it or not,

technically yes, but an airsoft without a spring is not a firearm and a spring for an airsoft is not a firearms component

however, a beretta without a firing pin is still a firearm and a firing pin for a beretta is a firearms component

see the difference?

Harekin

kdouglas wrote: »

technically yes, but an airsoft without a spring is not a firearm and a spring for an airsoft is not a firearms component

however, a beretta without a firing pin is still a firearm and a firing pin for a beretta is a firearms component

see the difference?

Thats the non-lazy version of my above post.