Christan morals in UCD

TheThing!

I am of the opinion that there is almost a complete lack of Christian morality in Irish colleges. I am in UCD and although it is hard for me to admit this I think God has no place there. Everywhere I look sex, alcohol and money are being used to attract people into some sort of evil. I am not a backward person, I do accept that young people sometimes have a hard time relating to traditional Christian values, but shouldn’t they make an effort to keep God in their lives? At the end of the day, where would we be without God? I have been brought up to value my Christian morals and I think it is about time more young college students did the same. Following a life of sex, alcohol, drugs and evil will only lead to more of the same, which is ultimately unfulfilling, but a life of following God’s path can only lead to happiness.

pretty*monster

Well, it could be because a good number of UCD students aren't Xians.

Just a thought.

conor2007

are u blind ?

its not just ucd or college in general

or ireland , open ur eyes

TheThing!

conor2007 wrote: »

are u blind ?

its not just ucd or college in general

or ireland , open ur eyes

In my experience it is more noticable in UCD or in TCD and other colleges than elsewhere in society

cruiserweight

Nothnig wrong with being christian, nothing wrong with drinking, nothing wrong with sex, but trolling hmmmmm

pretty*monster

TheThing! wrote: »

In my experience it is more noticable in UCD or in TCD and other colleges than elsewhere in society

Well, if you concentrate a bunch of young people into a small area you're going to get a fair whiff of sex drugs and rock 'n' roll.
Stands to reason.

conor2007

more people

so obviously the results for anything would be higher

nuttin wrong with any of the above mentioned , just fun

Riamfada

TheThing! wrote: »

but a life of following God’s path can only lead to happiness.

Im not even going to address that point and the horrors that the christian church has bestowed on this world over the past 1000 years, but I guess thats not Gods fault.

I think its awful preachy to tell other people about their lack of "christian values" . UCD is a place where people have learned to think for themselves and can identify the hypocracy of Gods followers and being led astray since childhood. Therefore they will find their own path to god without people like you. And will be happier for it.

G

Breezer

UCD is a public university. We have what's called 'separation of church and state'. There's a Church, a chaplaincy and a Christian Society there for you. No one is forcing you to drink, have sex, or engage in other 'evils.'

Chakar

I disagree with the OP as regards to that following God's path leads to happiness. That choice must be voluntary as opposed to being forced on people for various reasons.

TheThing!

I think that the immorality has gone to such a point that if people were to be forced to follow a more Christian life path then they would be better off, unfortunately this will probably never happen. People need to realise that they need God in there life

Riamfada

TheThing! wrote: »

I think that the immorality has gone to such a point that if people were to be forced to follow a more Christian life path then they would be better off, unfortunately this will probably never happen. People need to realise that they need God in there life

Any God? Or Your God? I think, like most fundamentalists you are blind to anything other than your own brainwashing. I like to believe that I follow a christian life the way the christian god and jesus intended, not by the way your church intended.

Breezer

Whatever that church is. I mean are you Catholic, C of I, Methodist, Presbyterian, Jehova's Witness, Morman...? They all claim to be right.

CerebralCortex

TheThing! wrote: »

I think that the immorality has gone to such a point that if people were to be forced to follow a more Christian life path then they would be better off, unfortunately this will probably never happen. People need to realise that they need God in there life

Another atheist gets his wings.

Its true though in colleges there needs to be less reckless crowd following. But socialising and sexual activity are very healthy. I wish I engaged in it more when I was in college ( )
I think christianity is just more crowd following besides not everyone believes in it or what you say I know I don't.

conor2007

the stuff the church has done is not related to god

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beanyb

Breezer wrote: »

We have what's called 'separation of church and state'.

Sorry, I know this wasnt meant as a joke. But I find that concept really hilarious. Separation of church and state? In Ireland? Ha.

I do agree with the sentiment of your post though.

delta_bravo

pretty*monster wrote: »

Well, it could be because a good number of UCD students aren't Xians.

Just a thought.

What is a Xian?

spudington16

beanyb wrote: »

Sorry, I know this wasnt meant as a joke. But I find that concept really hilarious. Separation of church and state? In Ireland? Ha.

I do agree with the sentiment of your post though.

I'd be inclined to disagree with you; with the obvious exception of primary and (some) secondary level education, and arguably some hospitals, I defy you to justify that statement.

Whelo10

'X"ian is a 'Christ'ian, like Christman is shortened to Xmas...of course most Priests wud give out to you 4 using it as it takes the Christ out of Christmas, which is what its kinda about

pretty*monster

delta_bravo wrote: »

What is a Xian?

Shorthand for Christian

TheThing! wrote:

I think that the immorality has gone to such a point that if people were to be forced to follow a more Christian life path then they would be better off

Many scary people in history have justified the doing pretty scary things under the justification that people will be "better off" once they fall in line.
But then, as a well educated individual I'm sure you already know that.

TheThing!

Whelo10 wrote: »

'X"ian is a 'Christ'ian, like Christman is shortened to Xmas...of course most Priests wud give out to you 4 using it as it takes the Christ out of Christmas, which is what its kinda about

I was actually going to request that the message be edited and have Christ put back into the Christian. I think people who do such things are deliberatetly antagonising religious people. All those who follow secular lives are evil and need to have a serious think about where their lives are headed

pretty*monster

Whelo10 wrote: »

'X"ian is a 'Christ'ian, like Christman is shortened to Xmas...of course most Priests wud give out to you 4 using it as it takes the Christ out of Christmas, which is what its kinda about

And those priests would be uneducated dolts.

The use of the letter X as an abbreviation of Christ comes from the Greek letter X (chi or khi) which is the first letter of the name Christ in Greek. The abbreviation is common and was used by the clergy and biblical scholars for hundreds of years.

pretty*monster

TheThing! wrote: »

I was actually going to request that the message be edited and have Christ put back into the Christian. I think people who do such things are deliberatetly antagonising religious people. All those who follow secular lives are evil and need to have a serious think about where their lives are headed

So let me see if I have this straight. My post should be edited because it can be interpreted as "deliberately antagonistic" but you can call me evil, which is a fairly blatant form of antagonism and that's fine presumably because you have God on your side and such like.

I won't call for your post to be censored because I'm down with free speech and secure enough in my beliefs that I can handle someone disagreeing with them.
But if you could look inside your soul and admit your astounding hypocrisy to yourself and to all of us that would be very nice.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

he's trolling.

pretty*monster

Mordeth wrote: »

he's trolling.

Quite probably, but the alternative to feeding the troll is studying so...

TheThing!

Mordeth wrote: »

he's trolling.

I really am not. I am simply trying to get my point across

conor2007

what is trolling ?

hullaballoo

Mordeth wrote: »

he's trolling.

Mordeth, keep it on topic. You know the rules about reporting etc.

I'm not prepared to entertain calls of "troll" in this thread, irrespective of whether or not TheThing! is trolling. This is quite simply because the debate actually holds some relevance - and that isn't impacted by the authenticity of the OP.

On topic, there's nothing to say that a question as to why there are no muslim/jew/hindu/other religious morals in UCD is inappropriate. The very fact that UCD comprises mostly young people whose moral parametres tend to be more ill-defined than their older counterparts will always have a part to play.

Aside from that, moral standards are indefinable. You can't have a debate on morals without a debate on what's right and what's wrong. Ultimately, that train of discussion will lead (in a strictly religious sense) to the Euthyphro dilemma. Once you get that far, the whole discussion becomes an exercise in ifs, buts and maybes.

If you're still reading, you really need to prioritise those things in your life which are most important. Sifting through a ream of text you discovered on the internet wherein someone you either (a) have never met, or (b) don't know very well is pontificating is less of a valuable exercise than, say, going for a smoke. If you go for a smoke instead, the chances are that you will meet someone and have a chat with them. That gives you social credit. Pit that against what you feel you a gleaning from this post.

You should not be still reading.

Bubs101

If he wants to see the christian values of UCD he should pop into the chapel during the exam rush. That shouls satisfy his need to troll

conor2007

what is trolling?

Dave!

TheThing! wrote: »

Following a life of sex, alcohol, drugs and evil will only lead to more of the same, which is ultimately unfulfilling

Says who?

TheThing! wrote: »

but a life of following God’s path can only lead to happiness.

Again, says who? God? He has a bit of an invested interest in this, don't ya think?

Sinfonia

TheThing! wrote: »

I think people who do such things are deliberatetly antagonising religious people. All those who follow secular lives are evil and need to have a serious think about where their lives are headed

OMGWTFROFLMFAO

conor2007

sex drugs drink , are good

god is good


tis the truth

stereoroid

conor2007 wrote: »

what is trolling?

It's a fishing method, that involves dragging the net along the bottom of the sea, not caring what they catch. The analogy should be clear...

The OP has said this is not a troll, and I accept that, but I have to say: do you think ideas such morals and ethics started with your particular version of religion? What did people do before that, eh? Let me quote you something written over 500 years Before Christ, thousands of miles away:

To be able to practice five things everywhere under heaven constitutes perfect virtue: gravity, generosity of soul, sincerity, earnestness, and kindness.
What you do not like when done to yourself, do not do to others.
-- Confucius, Analects

If by morals you mean a list of proscriptions, handed down from "on high", that I am supposed to follow without question, then.. I have no morals. What I have are ethics: the kind of agreed-upon rules you'd find in a professional society such as medicine, extended to society at large. Paying taxes and driving safely are not moral issues to me, and neither are such ideas as "be good to people", which predate all religions.

orestes

Just thought I'd throw this in here cos I think it should be pointed out.

I didn't study in UCD or any of the big colleges, but I did recently complete a three year degree course. The course was in a specialist college that only caters for philosophy and theology, no other subjects are taught. I'm not gonna say which one I studied in case it looks like I'm trying to swing this in one way instead of just saying it as it is. The college is in fact based in a jesuit monestary (I'm not gonna name it, but it's very near UCD), the jesuits who live there even give lectures in both subjects.

Anyway, this is exactly the kind of place where you would consider christian values and morality to be the norm, yes? Well, no, it wasn't. Drinking was a regular activity (binging two or three times a week), casual sex was by no means a rarity, and recreational drug use was pretty much common practice. And the theology students were at it all just as much as the philosophy students. Just thought it might be interesting in light if this thread

Zaph

TheThing! wrote: »

All those who follow secular lives are evil and need to have a serious think about where their lives are headed

Thank you for that. I post on a number of sites, some of which contain fairly fundamentalist christians, Mormons, etc., and not once has any of them ever described my atheist lifestyle as "evil" in all the years I've posted with them. A little less being judgemental of others and more acceptance of how the real world works might just about turn you into a well adjusted member of society, but I have my doubts.

conor2007 wrote: »

what is trolling ?

From Boards wiki

Troll

Someone who posts obscene, abusive or controversial new topics or replies, specifically to get a response from other posters, usually negative. "Feeding" a troll basically means giving them what they want, negative or emotional responses.

Paul Tergat

morals have no place in Uni!

remus808

TheThing! wrote: »

In my experience it is more noticable in UCD or in TCD and other colleges than elsewhere in society

This is because students represent the new generation, and also are the "intelligent" crop of society. I think you'll find young, smart people are those least likely to keep the faith..

Thomas_S_Hunterson

lol, funniest thread here in ages...now back to my life of sin

MuddyDog

crazy thread but anywho's as previously said this sorta thing is everywhere and is common nature in todays modern society! don't be so shocked!

MuddyDog

p_larkin99 wrote: »

morals have no place in Uni!

lol

TheThing!

MuddyDog wrote: »

lol

That type of humour is offensive to people who truely believe in God and religion.

From reading the responses posted so far, I have another question:

What is distasteful about living a Christian life while at college

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you don't get to have any fun.
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maybe I was wrong, you seem to find a way to get your kicks

Red Alert

When you talk about christianity do you mean overt christianity (like praying, saying the angelus, going to mass) or do you mean everyday christianity (like looking after those less fortunate, using your gifts and talents to help others)?

TheThing!

Mordeth wrote: »

you don't get to have any fun.

Well what is fun. I think living a fulfilling life is better than having a brief fling with somebody, or going out and disgracing myself by drinking more than I can handle. Can you honestly say that you would gain no satisfaction out of knowing that you are living your life the way God intended?

TheThing!

Red Alert wrote: »

When you talk about christianity do you mean overt christianity (like praying, saying the angelus, going to mass) or do you mean everyday christianity (like looking after those less fortunate, using your gifts and talents to help others)?

I believe in either and both forms of Christianity. If somebody is able to give some time each day to God, then that is time well spent. Of course fatih in action is better than having a grand sounding moral code which you don't put into effect. My beliefs are not backward, I believe that faith and religion can have real, tangible benefits.

TheThing!

Mordeth wrote: »

you don't get to have any fun.
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maybe I was wrong, you seem to find a way to get your kicks

Give me a hell yeah! and an Oh yeah!

Amen

Dave!

Why should I believe in the Christian god and live my life accordingly? Convince me, bearing in mind that the Bible is not a reliable historical document, and even if it were, there are other similar religious texts which warrant the same level of respect that the Bible does (*ahem*).

TheThing!

DaveMcG wrote: »

Why should I believe in the Christian god and live my life accordingly? Convince me, bearing in mind that the Bible is not a reliable historical document, and even if it were, there are other similar religious texts which warrant the same level of respect that the Bible does (*ahem*).

Because, whether you wish to accept it or not, the Bible is the word of God and in his omniscience he knows whats best for all of us. Religion and God enrich life more than any amount of sin and evil ever could, no matter how tempting it is made to look. If you follow the light of God, you will not be lost

pretty*monster

TheThing! wrote: »

That type of humour is offensive to people who truely believe in God and religion.

From reading the responses posted so far, I have another question:

What is distasteful about living a Christian life while at college

there's nothing terribly distasteful about living a Xian life but being preachy, smug and superior about it is rather offputting I must say.

So is not being able to laugh at yourself.

TheThing!

pretty*monster wrote: »

there's nothing terribly distasteful about living a Xian life but being preachy, smug and superior about it is rather offputting I must say.

So is not being able to laugh at yourself.

Can you change that Xian to Christian please, I find it offensive.

I am able to laugh at myself, but not my religious beliefs, when it comes to that aspect of my life, I have no humour, only respect and firm belief