In the money - huge pay hikes for all!

mike65

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1025/politics.html

e Taoiseach is set to receive a pay rise of €38,000 a year, which will bring his annual salary to €310,000.

The Taoiseach gets a 14% pay rise, while the Tanaiste's pay packet increases by 15.5% to €270,000.

Ministers salaries are up 12% to €240,000 and Junior ministers also rise by 12% to €165,000.

These earnings include their TD salaries

Judges got the highest average increase at 18 because the review factored in high barrister salaries, which may influence suitable people in joining the judiciary.

A number of people are earning more than the new going rate for the job.

HSE Chief Executive Brendan Drumm is earning around €360,000 plus bonuses of up to 25%.

The Review Body says the going rate for his job should be €303,000.

However, it is understood that the Prof Drumm has additional duties in setting up the new body from scratch.

Also earning more than the recommended rate is the Commissioner for Aviation Regulation who is currently on €203,379.

The recommended salary in future will be €185,000.

Other recipients of large pay increases: the Dublin City Manager will receive an increase of 36.2%, the head of the IDA will get a 22% rise, the head of Teagasc's pay packet will jump by 29%, the DPPs annual wage is to go up by 27%, and both the Garda Ombudsmen and Garda Commissioner's annual salaries will rise by 15%.

What can one say? They deserve it? Nope!

Mike.

Fratton Fred

mike65 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1025/politics.html

What can one say? They deserve it? Nope!

Mike.

and they wonder why the country is skint.:mad:

Colonel Sanders

mike65 wrote: »

What can one say?

I'm pretty speechless!

LostinBlanch

Sickened but not surprised.

mike65

Bertie is on 310k, Gordon Brown is on 268k.

Mike.

HelterSkelter

Bertie has received more than 22 pay increases since 1997 when his salary was €133,000!!! Unbelieveable!!!

This article is from 2005...
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2005/07/17/story6527.asp

...The Taoiseach's salary has increased from €133,000 in 1997 to just under €250,000 today – a rise of almost 88 per cent. In the same period, the average industrial wage has risen from €19,300 to just under €30,000, an increase of about 53 per cent.

HelterSkelter

mike65 wrote: »

Bertie is on 310k, Gordon Brown is on 268k.

Mike.

That's crazy

mike65

and I did convert Browns salary into euro!

Mike.

gurramok

Bertie now earns more than Bush himself!
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/09/asia/singbox.php

Bertie $443,000 (at todays exchange rate)
Bush $440,000
Brown $370,000
Shinzo Abe $360,000
Merkel $350,000

Ah come on, there must be a single FF supporter somewhere who can support this?

impr0v

Not support as such, and I am surprised at the comparison to the other leader's salaries, but when compared to a CEO of a mid to large company it's still fairly small. I should probably know this, but how do these increases get proposed and approved? Does the dail vote on them? The rate of increase in his salary since 97 is surprising, to say the least.

For clarity, I'm not an FF supporter.

sovtek

Wasn't whats his face, the minister for finance ****in on about cutbacks because of a budget deficit recently?

sovtek

impr0v wrote: »

Not support as such, and I am surprised at the comparison to the other leader's salaries, but when compared to a CEO of a mid to large company it's still fairly small. I should probably know this, but how do these increases get proposed and approved? Does the dail vote on them? The rate of increase in his salary since 97 is surprising, to say the least.

For clarity, I'm not an FF supporter.

I know most FF'ers consider themselves like businessmen although most have never touched one...that doesn't mean that CEO's are any more deserving. Most have assistants out the hole that do most of their work anyway. They might show up to a board meeting or two every once in a while in the company helicopter.
I believe the term is "non functioning CEO".

Hobbes

Ah come on lads, Bertie will be struggling when the new taxes get hiked up in December. :rolleyes:

sovtek

sovtek wrote: »

that doesn't mean that CEO's are any more deserving. Most have assistants out the hole that do most of their work anyway. They might show up to a board meeting or two every once in a while in the company helicopter.
I believe the term is "non functioning CEO".

The only 2 comments I'll make on that is what it deserves probably and that is lol.
What a complete and utter example of a sweeping statement with very little if none at all basis in fact.


Regarding the topic,I think it's ridiculous that apparently the Prime minister of Ireland gets paid more than most of the rest of his counterparts in the known world including some of the biggest.
Off ye go lads to the audience of questions and answers and ask for that one to be justified.
I note how this was announced on the eve of a bank holiday weekend when that programme won't air untill the following week.

Stark

impr0v wrote: »

Not support as such, and I am surprised at the comparison to the other leader's salaries, but when compared to a CEO of a mid to large company it's still fairly small. I should probably know this, but how do these increases get proposed and approved? Does the dail vote on them? The rate of increase in his salary since 97 is surprising, to say the least.

For clarity, I'm not an FF supporter.

We're not the ones paying those CEOs' salaries. The company board of directors can demand value for their CEO's salary, are we able to say the same when it comes to Bertie's?

Tea drinker

Well, should we start a petition to revoke the pay rises?

They are an embarassment to Ireland. They should be proud to represent us but they go ahead and shaft us.
They were already overpaid. I mean look at the size of the nations we are comparing ourselves, to US and UK are funking huge compared to our paltry 4 million.

They are going to keep taking your money until you tell them NO.
Why would they stop? A sense of morality? Shame? Why?
It's like a kid with a bag of chewy sweets ..... chomp chomp omph omph .. droool down side of jaw.

Remember - for the most part it's negative selection in politics - the WORST people get into it.

Colonel Sanders

I read that increases announced today will cost EUR16m a year*. In times when talks of cutbacks and curbing spending this is absolutely disgusting and completely unjustifiable.

If I was just after finishing college I'd be giving serious consideration to jumping ship and getting out of this bloody country.

*I also assume this means the final value of pensions will increase, don't know if this is the case or if the 16m includes this but am open to correction

texas star

Good to see Bertie got his nice big pay rise.As he works so hard for the Irish people :rolleyes:.keep up the good work Bertie :rolleyes:

texas star

Ah sure he works hard and he has a tough job......He needs a big pay packet.All them nice posh dinners and pints have to come from somewhere.....:rolleyes:

Tea drinker

impr0v wrote: »

Not support as such, and I am surprised at the comparison to the other leader's salaries, but when compared to a CEO of a mid to large company it's still fairly small. I should probably know this, but how do these increases get proposed and approved? Does the dail vote on them? The rate of increase in his salary since 97 is surprising, to say the least.

For clarity, I'm not an FF supporter.

Why are you comparing him to a CEO? Who told you to do that? A politician methinks. I work in a technical role, but I don't get paid as much as a brain surgeon.

Compare him to his peers. How much does PM of Latvia (pop 2.3mill), Lithuania (pop 3.6 mill) or even Norway, (pop 4.8mill) get paid? Now we are in the ball park.

It's all irrelevant anyway, they will get paid, you, and maybe I will just shut up. (or?)

And anyway if you REALLY want to compare him to a CEO, if he was a CEO of ANY company he would be fired purely based on the doubts of his character / claims against him.

simu

But remember that Bertie's giving half his earnings to the Socialist Party...

great unwashed

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I read that increases announced today will cost EUR16m a year*. In times when talks of cutbacks and curbing spending this is absolutely disgusting and completely unjustifiable.

If I was just after finishing college I'd be giving serious consideration to jumping ship and getting out of this bloody country.

*I also assume this means the final value of pensions will increase, don't know if this is the case or if the 16m includes this but am open to correction

You wouldn't be the first. Did you see the driving licence fiasco?

juuge

I've always considered it a fact that the majority of those in government would not survive a day in the private sector. That's why they are where they are.

Scruff

Congrats to all FF voters for voting the arrogant money grabbing shower back in.
At least with this wage he shouldnt have to accept any more money from private individuals for any future "loans".

/aside listening to Gerry Ryan at the moment. he unsurprisingly is glossing over it while reading out the headlines considering the amount he gets paid. tosser.

juuge

Scruff wrote: »

Congrats to all FF voters for voting the arrogant money grabbing shower back in.
At least with this wage he shouldnt have to accept any more money from private individuals for any future "loans".

/aside listening to Gerry Ryan at the moment. he unsurprisingly is glossing over it while reading out the headlines considering the amount he gets paid. tosser.

Yeah perhaps bertie and his 'gubberment' won't accept anymore bribes. What are you doin' listening to Gerry Ryan ? You won't get an unbiased opinion there.

FFS Gerry Ryan is probably on twice what the Taoiseach gets and it's the Taoiseach who ultimately can set his wage via a crack down on the use of the licence fee etc.
So I'd not expect a comment there.

The lesser much paid news readers and journalists though were not shy about asking harder questions of the likes of Noel Dempsey on morning Ireland.


On the other side of the coing,theres been 10 years of boom with so much money and lcd screens and 07 cars sloshing about,they will make the point that they have been doing their job reasonably but not perfectly.
They still should only have got the "inflation rise" imho and not 14%.

I'd cap the increases to what ordinary people get-Then Lets see how many of them actually opt to go to the private sector and what we are left with... I'd imagine most of them would stay put.

ZygOte

why do we continue to take this from our government, again and again they fail us, again and again we re-elect them. What is wrong with us? how far are we going to take it up the behind from these civil SERVANTS
im not a keen follower of politics and cannot claim any great understanding of how governments work but my god, they make my blood boil. All i see are a pathetic bunch of failures led by a man who can barely string a cogent or even logical sentence together.

how can he justify this insane salary based on per hed tax income against any other country, i mean based purely in population count we dont even acount for a single state in the US.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

when is enough going to be enough with this government.

Colonel Sanders

ZygOte wrote: »

when is enough going to be enough with this government.

It could have been last May but they got in again. You get the government you deserve (i.e. the government that the people vote in). Didn't think it was possible for me to hate FF anymore than I already do but this has done the trick nicely.

ZygOte

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

It could have been last May but they got in again. You get the government you deserve (i.e. the government that the people vote in). Didn't think it was possible for me to hate FF anymore than I already do but this has done the trick nicely.

i certainly agree, but what i fail to understand it why so many people voted for them and also seem to think they are doing their job. is there just a mentality of "better the devil you know" ?

Colonel Sanders

ZygOte wrote: »

i certainly agree, but what i fail to understand it why so many people voted for them and also seem to think they are doing their job. is there just a mentality of "better the devil you know" ?

the eternal question mate. I've no idea.

Tea drinker

ZygOte wrote: »

i certainly agree, but what i fail to understand it why so many people voted for them and also seem to think they are doing their job. is there just a mentality of "better the devil you know" ?

No, it's the slave mentality awash in Ireland.
He is betther dan us 'cos he can ste-al and get away with it, so he is a guy not to be messed with / best of luck ta hiem I hope he can ste-al more he is grate

What a country of funkwits!
WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD!!!!!

Now, who here can setup on online petition to "begrudge" Bertie his raise?

NEWSFLASH:
IF YOU ARE YOUNG ENOUGH - LEAVE NOW THE SH!TBOX COUNTRY IS GOING TO IMPLODE.

Jackie laughlin

Nothing very much is going to happen.

Every time politicians and civil servants get an increase, we are encouraged to let off steam about crazy salaries, allowances, etc.

On this occasion, instead of obliging the wealthy and overpaid by driving a wedge between workers in private companies and workers in state employment, how about discussing disgraceful salaries in themselves?

Now, I know the threadbare argument of how one is paid by a company owned by shareholders and another from taxes paid by all will be trotted out. The fact is that many shareholders think that "their" senior employees are paid ludicrous amounts of money.

Look, if Drumm's 450,000 + is so extraordinarily large as to parody "earn" and/or "deserve", then all such salaries are crazy. There is a managerial upper class plundering both the state and private sectors, while the people are offered Bertie as a symbolic sacrifice and diversion.

sovtek

Scruff wrote: »

/aside listening to Gerry Ryan at the moment. he unsurprisingly is glossing over it while reading out the headlines considering the amount he gets paid. tosser.

Cause he's a fat, overpaid and mediocre professional himself.

sovtek

juuge wrote: »

I've always considered it a fact that the majority of those in government would not survive a day in the private sector. That's why they are where they are.

Are you kidding. The private sector love hiring in ex government functionaries to their boards for the connections alone.

sovtek

Tristrame wrote: »

What a complete and utter example of a sweeping statement with very little if none at all basis in fact.

I have two very well known examples: GWB and Donald Rumsfeld.

brownenvelope

Surprised it took so long:

www.thecorruptionparty.com

Voipjunkie

Nice diversion on the provisional license issue as well this would have been much bigger if a couple of hundered thousand people were not more worried about how they will get to work next week.

ZygOte

brownenvelope wrote: »

Surprised it took so long:

www.thecorruptionparty.com

i always loved that fáil is so close to fail

jmayo

Tristrame wrote: »

On the other side of the coing,theres been 10 years of boom with so much money and lcd screens and 07 cars sloshing about,they will make the point that they have been doing their job reasonably but not perfectly.
They still should only have got the "inflation rise" imho and not 14%.

I'd cap the increases to what ordinary people get-Then Lets see how many of them actually opt to go to the private sector and what we are left with... I'd imagine most of them would stay put.

Oh yeah the 10 year boom, the last 5 or 6 of which is due to cheap interest rates and lots of borrowing which is slowly coming home to roost.

BTW is bertie's pay benchmarked against the Sultan of Brunei, because it sure as hell is not benchmarked against his EU counterparts :rolleyes:
No wonder he doesn't want to leave and supposedly take up an EU role, it would probably mean a pay cut.
Oh can you tellme if he is still accepting his salary in cash and stuffing it in the safe in Drumcondra ?

Looking at last election results, a lot of the younger just out of school/college brigade voted for the party that gave us all the great boom.
Nice to see they will be rewarded by having to leave their cars at home and find alternative way to work on our public transport infrastructure.

sovtek

Tea drinker wrote: »

What a country of funkwits!
WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD!!!!!

In fairness I think that title is more popular for my fellow countrymen. You are catching up nicely though.

marcsignal

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Tea drinker

I signed the petition at:

http://www.gopetition.com/online/14927.html

juuge

sovtek wrote: »

Are you kidding. The private sector love hiring in ex government functionaries to their boards for the connections alone.

You are right - I meant getting into the private sector before politics - would you have little willy o'dea representing your company ? or jackie healy rea ?
You'd be out of business like a shot.

ronbyrne2005

Supposedly the Norweigan and Swedish leaders who rule similarly sized and more advanced countries (in terms of natural resources,economics,infrastructure,public services) get 125keuro each. We could hire the two of them to run our place together and still have 60k spare ! Bertie is an avaricious,power hungey pr1ck and not the "man of the people,pint of bass and an anorak guy" he and his team of advisors portray.

DublinWriter

Is it really that jaw-dropping that the democratically elected leader of a piss-pot banana-republic nation decides to pay himself more than the leaders of the world's biggest superpowers?

Ah jaysus lads, come on, rip-off-Ireland and all that. The prices of de auld Bass 'n' Chicken-Balls have been going through the roof in the Drumcondra region recently.

What's more, we'll suck up the news with our characteristic 5-minute sense of outrage then go onto whining about something else next week.

We, the bovine and lumpen proletariat have elected the government we truly deserved. Democracy has been delivered, just don't forget the tip.

Raskolnikov

I know that I have criticised the nurses for demanding more pay and lesser working hours. I retract my objections. Demand your 14%, you have my full support.

MrVostro

Surely there must be a way to stop this pay hike. After all its going to be a tough budget, so we can start by recovering these inflated salaries.

The worst part of it is that none of the opposition parties cannot step up to the plate as a better alternative either.

Look what became of the green party. No more votes ever for them from me. Was the green in that really for the green in FF all along?

Tea drinker

Absolutely.
Imagine if Sinn Fein tried giving themselves this raise: cue mass hysteria in the nation instigated by the indignant opposition parties! Criminality,
stealing, crooked politicians etc.

These incompetent cunns on drugs don't give a crap what you think.
We have a malfunctioning opposition, incapable of agreeing when they should, and silent when there should be uproar. The media isn't doing us any favours either.

jmayo

I just love it when people blame the opposition.
It is like it is all the opposition's fault if the government do something that is f***ed up.
When they did complain and raise questions about berties finances they were hammered in the opinion polls, because sure bertie is a man of the people and hard done by. Me ar** he is :rolleyes:

A hell of a lot of Irish people are greedy and don't give a crap if they are doing alright personally.
Hence they don't care about hospital waiting lists, lack of public services, MRSA, expensive cockups in public service spending, etc because it does not affect them personally.
Actually a lot of these people are those public servants that just see big pay increases and nice cushy pensions awaiting them at retirement.
How many people are in public service, add their spouses and children and you have a nice chunk of voters already ?

That is why Bertie et al have been re-elected.

It is like the fact that lots of people complained about EOS and the performance of the Irish rugby team, but then some eejits came out and said sure who else could manage them? We have no one else.
What a crock of sh**.

Unless we punish the government where it hurts, at the polls, then they will continue to walk on us.
Maybe the opposition aren't the greatest thing ever but damm it they can't treat us any worse.

I get the feeling that at cabinet meetings, they actual have competitions to see what new law or policy they can come up with to see how far they can push the citizens of this country.

Of course last weeks winner was Noel Dempsey and his provisional driver scheme.
Maybe that was why his department secretary got one of the biggest raises :rolleyes:

grahamo

I see Bertie and his mates don't come under towards 2016. I'm still waiting on a lousy 3%
pay rise due since last December. One rule for them and another for us. Its no coincidence an election is just out of the way. Nothing anyone can do about it for another 5 years.

Sleepy

The depressing thing is that there's nothing we can do about it in 5 years either grahamo, the same fvckwits that elected this government will re-elect them next time too.

I am honestly starting to believe the only way to fix this country is through armed revolution and it scares the hell out of me that I'm not joking in the slightest.