Irish Dealers

mormank

I was just wondering if anybody heard that a certain Mr Thomas Kremsler has asked for there to be no irish dealers present at next weeks EPT event in dublin? I heard this from a good source. I for one was planning on going to this to deal and was counting on the money. I dealt at the Irish Open on the cash games and was told by numerous people that I was an excellent dealer. However since the standard of irish dealer is poor in general I now am left out of pocket.

Apart from me being out of pocket, surely an Irish EPT event cannot take place with all foreign dealers!! I mean, a blanket exclusion of Irsh dealers altogether?? Perhaps there will be some dublin based dealers dealing at this. What are ye're thoughts on this? and I do accept that the standard of dealing is far higher on the continent etc but surely those really good should be allowed to deal at this..

RoundTower

well I don't think that would be legal, they may just be recruiting in different countries.

AdMMM

Didn't I read that someone on this board is dealing at it?

Killme00

mormank wrote: »

surely an Irish EPT event cannot take place with all foreign dealers!!

Ive been playing in Dublin for a few years and can count on one hand the amount of Irish dealers i have had. They are mostly non Irish. I dont think it would be a problem recruiting an entirely non Irish dealing field.

As RT says it would be illegal to exclude a dealer from the job because of their nationality

bohsman

Im dealing the EPT, as are 10-20 Irish dealers that I know off, if you havent been hired yet theres no jobs going afaik. The only possible connection I can make is that may have asked for no Irish dealers on the TV table.

bohsman

Killme00 wrote: »

Ive been playing in Dublin for a few years and can count on one hand the amount of Irish dealers i have had. They are mostly non Irish. I dont think it would be a problem recruiting an entirely non Irish dealing field.

The two Dublin casinos Ive worked in have had more Irish poker dealers than foreign ones, the-choppers brother was in shock at the amount of Irish dealers when he was in a few weeks ago.

The Jackpot dont use poker dealers they use croupiers with knowledge of poker and Ive no idea about the SE.

fiddlesticks

I will be working at it plus a few others. I think that that comment would be aimed at the tournament dealers if that was said. He has a kind of fair point to make though...pretty shocking all the same.

Taxipete29

Whilst they are entitled to recruit from wherever they wish it is illegal to formally state no dealers from a certain country. You cannot generalise as regards standards and you cannot discriminate people because of where they are from. The only way it would not be illegal if it was a policy adopted in all cities/countries that host EPT events i.e no spanish dealers in Barcelona.

mormank

I definitely think he has a point! I wouldnt lay the blame at his feet but with those who sent delaers to events in the past knowing they werent great but that they would be 'ok'!! I know the tv dealers for the FT at the Irish Open were meant to have embarrassed themselves pretty much. Maybe that is where this comes from. No Irish dealers at the tv tables..

They can recruit whoever they want and for whatever reasons, but when I am told i will be delaing at it and then 3 weeks before it stars I am told that no irish are allowed of course I will ask questions..

Taxipete29

mormank wrote: »

I definitely think he has a point! I wouldnt lay the blame at his feet but with those who sent delaers to events in the past knowing they werent great but that they would be 'ok'!! I know the tv dealers for the FT at the Irish Open were meant to have embarrassed themselves pretty much. Maybe that is where this comes from. No Irish dealers at the tv tables..

They can recruit whoever they want and for whatever reasons, but when I am told i will be delaing at it and then 3 weeks before it stars I am told that no irish are allowed of course I will ask questions..

I think a phone call to Joe Duffy is order

bohsman

Have no memory of Fiddlesticks or Dee embarrassing themselves at the FT of the IO???

mormank

bohsman wrote: »

Have no memory of Fiddlesticks or Dee embarrassing themselves at the FT of the IO???

I don't mean to offend anyone with this comment. Just putting it forward as a possible reason. Was it only two dealers for the final table? I was definitely told that one or more dealers for the final table of the irish open made some novice mistakes. I mean nicnicnic's cards were taken whilst in play, remember?? BAD mistake!

fiddlesticks

mormank wrote:

I definitely think he has a point! I wouldnt lay the blame at his feet but with those who sent delaers to events in the past knowing they werent great but that they would be 'ok'!! I know the tv dealers for the FT at the Irish Open were meant to have embarrassed themselves pretty much. Maybe that is where this comes from. No Irish dealers at the tv tables..

How so? Pretty ridiculous and stupid comment to make..

fiddlesticks

mormank wrote: »

I don't mean to offend anyone with this comment. Just putting it forward as a possible reason. Was it only two dealers for the final table? I was definitely told that one or more dealers for the final table of the irish open made some novice mistakes. I mean nicnicnic's cards were taken whilst in play, remember?? BAD mistake!

That was in the middle of the tournament and how in god's name could his cards be taken in play in the middle of the t.v table....if you could point any mistakes out??? pokertube.com..its all there. Fair enough you didnt mean to offend but I think me and Dee did a good job...

mormank

I would say taking someone's cards without them folding is a pretty novice mistake...Apart from that I am merely going on what I was told by various Tournament/cash game directors.

Like I said already, I'm not trying to offend. If you, fiddlesticks did a good job then well done. I'm not trying to get into an argument. I apologise if you were personally offended.

On a seperate note, I have spoken with alot of players and the standard of tournie dealer was average at best. Talk of hoping to get at least a competent dealer was the norm...

fiddlesticks

mormank wrote: »

I would say taking someone's cards without them folding is a pretty novice mistake...Apart from that I am merely going on what I was told by various Tournament/cash game directors.

Like I said already, I'm not trying to offend. If you, fiddlesticks did a good job then well done. I'm not trying to get into an argument. I apologise if you were personally offended.

On a seperate note, I have spoken with alot of players and the standard of tournie dealer was average at best. Talk of hoping to get at least a competent dealer was the norm...

That's cool but if you ask nicnicnic in the circumstances it was unfortunate how his cards were taken but any type of dealer could have done it. You do have a fair point in regards to standard of tournament dealers but I think they have gotten a lot better..

mormank

fiddlesticks wrote: »

That was in the middle of the tournament and how in god's name could his cards be taken in play in the middle of the t.v table....if you could point any mistakes out??? pokertube.com..its all there. Fair enough you didnt mean to offend but I think me and Dee did a good job...

Cool. Thats obviously why you were invited back. I on the other hand have been left out even tho I was on the cash games. Dealt the toughest 25/50 PLO games that other dealers, irish and otherwise, were refusing to deal because they were too intimidating! One dealer was made cry at one such table. When nobody would volunteer to deal this table I dealt it.

I just feel a bit hard done by to then be told, NO IRISH DEALERS!! This however is obviously not exactly the case as you and a few others will be there. I'm glad to hear it to be honest. A blanket exclusion would be bad..

fiddlesticks

mormank wrote: »

Cool. Thats obviously why you were invited back. I on the other hand have been left out even tho I was on the cash games. Dealt the toughest 25/50 PLO games that other dealers, irish and otherwise, were refusing to deal because they were too intimidating! One dealer was made cry at one such table. When nobody would volunteer to deal this table I dealt it.

I just feel a bit hard done by to then be told, NO IRISH DEALERS!! This however is obviously not exactly the case as you and a few others will be there. I'm glad to hear it to be honest. A blanket exclusion would be bad..

That's pretty ridiculous as I would have thought that comment would be made about the tournament staff and not the cash game dealers who I think are and were as good a standard as any european dealer. I am as with probably everybody else relying on this wage for stuff and to ban Irish dealers from the cash is silly and very unfair...

NickyOD

Does this mean pip will be dealing since he's not Irish?

Duff Man Jr.

NickyOD wrote: »

Does this mean pip will be dealing since he's not Irish?

lol excellent

Four of a kind

just a side question....how much do dealers at these EPT events make? I heard at the IPO that the money is ****.....?

mormank

fiddlesticks wrote: »

That's pretty ridiculous as I would have thought that comment would be made about the tournament staff and not the cash game dealers who I think are and were as good a standard as any european dealer. I am as with probably everybody else relying on this wage for stuff and to ban Irish dealers from the cash is silly and very unfair...

Yeah i too was relying on the wage. Now have been left out in the cold. just being told they are full by anyone I ask. My previous performances have not been taken into account. I was even supposed to be an assistant director at the Irish open for the cash games but refused because I felt I should deal at one first. IO 2007 was my first one. Dealt other events just not at this.

mormank

NickyOD wrote: »

Does this mean pip will be dealing since he's not Irish?

lol, just lol!!

Goodluck2me

Its amazing the amount of rubbish bandied about in this thread.

I know for certain that plenty of Irish dealers will be dealing the tournament and I know that I am going to be dealing cash there too, as I`m sure many others will. It sounds very much to be that your source is much more unreliable that you think,

Also on a sidenote, when Nicnicnic`s cards were taken it wasnt at the TV table it was when there were 4 or less tables left and he was on the outer one. Another important point is that it is not the fault of the dealer imo if a player doesn`t protect his cards, it is the mistake of the player.

Rookie errors imo would be no washing the deck properly, not know how to calculate the pot, not knowing basic rules like not counting all-ins, not being able to control the table etc.

I also think that Dee and Fiddles did a good job, I`m not sure of the other two think it may have been Bobby_feta and another girl.

I think the reason that you havent been asked to deal MormonK is that because the demand for the tournament was high and anyone aksed simply accepted. I also think you are at a disadvantage not being Dublin based. I was approached by the Jackpot to deal at it, as I`m sure were everyone else.

p.s. love to know that source.

bohsman

mormank wrote: »

Yeah i too was relying on the wage. Now have been left out in the cold. just being told they are full by anyone I ask. My previous performances have not been taken into account. I was even supposed to be an assistant director at the Irish open for the cash games but refused because I felt I should deal at one first. IO 2007 was my first one. Dealt other events just not at this.

When did you apply? I was let in a month ago as a favour, they were already booked up, 50+ less dealers required than were used at the IO.

Goodluck2me

mormank wrote: »

Yeah i too was relying on the wage.

It seems silly to me to rely on the wage of a job you havent received yet, and also the idea that you would just show up and deal is ridiculous as surely any professional outfit will have this sorted weeks and months in advance.

ditpoker

fiddlesticks is the bestestest dealer going! dee is too, but for other reasons! both have dealt tv tables at the irish open and ept... i'd hardly call them novice or mistake prone.

coillcam

I'd be interested in dealing at tourneys such as these because I can't Buy-in, DOH!!

I have no working experience but been playing for over 3 years now and know what the general scéal is. What's the best way to go about getting training/experience etc?

I know the EPT is full but where would I go about getting in for the PPP Irish Open 2008?

mormank

goodluck2me wrote: »

It seems silly to me to rely on the wage of a job you havent received yet, and also the idea that you would just show up and deal is ridiculous as surely any professional outfit will have this sorted weeks and months in advance.

lol, joe. calm down. I wasnt 'relying' on it to pay rent or anything. Just more like it would be nice to get. I think you are right about not being Dublin based. the more i read on this thread the more i think good luck to ye all. I wouldn't deal now if asked. I obviously just don't know the right people. As that is what is required really...obviously the dealers who have replied to this are all a good standard. I like you said am just out of position for this one...

RoundTower

NickyOD wrote: »

Does this mean pip will be dealing since he's not Irish?

no, it means Reggie will be dealing because he's British

and broke.

HalfBaked

At the IO last year I had no complaints about any of the Irish dealers at my tables and thought they all did an excellent job (perhaps I was fortunate?).

The exception being AKQJ10, he could hardly shuffle and was spraying cards everywhere. It was kinda embarrassing to be honest.

thechamp87

HalfBaked wrote: »

The exception being AKQJ10, he could hardly shuffle and was spraying cards everywhere. It was kinda embarrassing to be honest.

I noticed this as well yeah. It was unacceptable and Marc should know this.

MrPillowTalk

Im off to pokertube to watch last years EPT for the ahem racy shots of Dee.

cooker3

goodluck2me wrote: »

Its amazing the amount of rubbish bandied about in this thread.

It sounds like your biggest mistake op was not asking early enough to deal it.

Goodluck2me

mormank wrote: »

lol, joe. calm down. I wasnt 'relying' on it to pay rent or anything. Just more like it would be nice to get. I think you are right about not being Dublin based. the more i read on this thread the more i think good luck to ye all. I wouldn't deal now if asked. I obviously just don't know the right people. As that is what is required really...obviously the dealers who have replied to this are all a good standard. I like you said am just out of position for this one...

Lol, yeah but it does appear like sour grapes or something, just comes across bad. Seeing as I know who you are I`ll give you a bit of lee way though!;)

Still want to know where you heard this though?

mary ellen

just been reading this rubbish and yes there is alot of irish dealers as well as mixed there is no tv table and the numbers are full because i have alot less tables than irish open any other comments you can talk to me and i will give you a reply can be found into the jackpot most weekends !!

Goodluck2me

mary ellen wrote: »

can be found doing very little into the jackpot most weekends !!

That could be anyone, although very honest of you.

Marq

RoundTower wrote: »

no, it means Reggie will be dealing because he's British

and broke.

**** I am too late.

DeVore

Marq wrote: »

**** I am too late.

LOL!!!

Also, welcome Mary Ellen. I have no idea who you are but I suspect that at some stage in the future you will be annoyed with me over something on this forum. I just wanted to say hello while we don't yet hate each other.


*waves*

DeV.

Lauralashes

Called Mary Ellen to ask what the situtation was as I was reading this thread and wondered if I was still going to be dealing the EPT or not, Mary Ellen clarified that we are still on the dealer list so looks like we Irish will still be dealing, see ya up there Joe :D

mary ellen

cheers dev

lol but in future if people are looking to deal in next years irish open they are welcome to come in and speak to sarah or me if they are capable would have no problem taking them on,for this year could take no more as it not as large an event and there is no problem with any irish dealers !!

Goodluck2me

Lauralashes wrote: »

Nope, thats definately Mary Ellen, I called her to ask what the situtation was as I was reading this thread and wondered if I was still going to be dealing the EPT or not, Mary Ellen advised she would come onto Boards and clarify so looks like we Irish will still be dealing, see ya up there Joe :D

Read what i quoted LAura!

kakak1

Taxipete29 wrote: »

I think a phone call to Joe Duffy is order

That's an excellent idea, :eek: :eek: :eek:

Give Joe a great opportunity to have a right go at "degenerate gamblers", fellows entering €8000 euro tournaments & leaving the wife & kids starve, unless of course they cash big & then it's caviar all the way.

Keep poker / casinos in it's own community, we don't need bad publicity

Did you leave your brains in the taxi

ditpoker

MrPillowTalk wrote: »

Im off to pokertube to watch last years EPT for the ahem racy shots of Dee.

lol! full marks for consistency eoin!

Lauralashes

goodluck2me wrote: »

Read what i quoted LAura!

lol, that makes way more sense Joe, in work falling asleep here, soreeeeeee booked you into accomodation in the Woodlands for the Winterfest, c ya next week!

Flushdraw

Lauralashes wrote: »

lol, that makes way more sense Joe, in work falling asleep here, soreeeeeee booked you into accomodation in the Woodlands for the Winterfest, c ya next week!

Get off boards and do some work then will ya! Its what ur getting paid for!

mormank

mary ellen wrote: »

just been reading this rubbish and yes there is alot of irish dealers as well as mixed there is no tv table and the numbers are full because i have alot less tables than irish open any other comments you can talk to me and i will give you a reply can be found into the jackpot most weekends !!

all i can do here mary ellen is say sorry if anyone's nose has been disjointed as a result of this thread. You won't know me by my boards name but we have met once or twice, in Letterkenny. I won't name names over the net but i was told by what i regard as a reliable source (not anymore obviously). If we ever speak in person about this you will understand when I tell you who it is...I would however like to get in touch so i can get in early in future...As i was never 'recruited' directly but through a friend..

mormank

goodluck2me wrote: »

Lol, yeah but it does appear like sour grapes or something, just comes across bad. Seeing as I know who you are I`ll give you a bit of lee way though!;)

Still want to know where you heard this though?

Was wondering if you knew who i was or not actualy...I was TD in the Gold Club in Letterkenny first time you were there. Oh how the mighty have fallen!!! lol

and as for sour grapes...its the only emotion that i can do really well!

Lauralashes

Flushdraw wrote: »

Get off boards and do some work then will ya! Its what ur getting paid for!

If people wanted us to work they shouldnt have invented shifts this late :D:D

cooker3

Sarah told me to say that if anyone has a problem talk to her and if you want to to deal at the IO next year, come into the Jackpot or ring her at any hour of any day, she prefers around 10am. But just make sure you keep in contact with her!

aodea

i have a problem with sarah and i will say it too her face............. she keeps stealing my lucky chip and its just not on.