Help Me decide

Monty_123

I can't decide between the PS3 and the xBox 360. Don't know much at all about consoles, just enjoy them. I have 32" HD LCD. Which I think is 1080p. (shows how little I know:D) Just wondering what's the pro's and cons of each?

Thanks a million

kensutz

Well let me see, you posted in the Playstation forum so isn't that a starter :rolleyes:

Vic Vinegar

Buy both like most console connoisseurs would (if they could) or if you don't wanna i would have to say get a 360, more games, better frame rates! (wait a year for ps3)

311

The price is definetly in favour of the playstation.
The reason I went for the PS3
The PS3 isn't a pc ,trying to fit under your telly.
The PS3 isn't designed to overheat ,like a banger of a car in the desert.
The PS3 is quiet and looks very well ,not like a butchered pc that sounds like a hoover.

Vic Vinegar

_Brian_ wrote: »

not like a butchered pc that sounds like a hoover.

Mine is pretty new and very quiet. Cynic!

WarZoneBrother

make a console forum pleaseee!!!...is there no other place for these silly little threads??? I think they belong in the bin..

tman

mountain lips wrote: »

Mine is pretty new and very quiet. Cynic!

This is the playstation forum, were you expecting any other kind of response?:p

Zapp Brannigan

_Brian_ wrote: »

The price is definetly in favour of the playstation.
The reason I went for the PS3
The PS3 isn't a pc ,trying to fit under your telly. Don't get what you're trying to say here? The PS3 is bigger than the 360
The PS3 isn't designed to overheat ,like a banger of a car in the desert. It does get fairly hot though
The PS3 is quiet and looks very well ,not like a butchered pc that sounds like a hoover.No argument there, though after a while the PS3's fans kick in and it does get a bit loud

OP whatever you can afford and whatever ones games appeal to you, get that one.

Also for the price a PS3 is now you get alot more features than a 360. Wifi and Bluray being the main ones.

whiterebel

Do you have PS2 games already? if not, it makes the decision tougher. Certainly would have for me. I plumped on Saturday for PS3 60Gb because of the amount of PS2 games I already have. Thinking of the cost of starting again with a 360 made it a no brainer. XBox certainly have the game selection at the moment, but PS3 will see great games that unleash it power shortly, probably leaving the XBox behind. then the circle will start again with a new XBox that won't play the older games, leaving Sony with a big advantage with games on shelves. The Xbox will be mor epowerful and do more, but won't have as big a game collection. Unless Microsoft have a complete brain meltdown and make it backward-compatible.

Monty_123

Thanks a million for the advice guys. Still pretty baffled. Don't have a PS2 already.

Like I said I don't have a clue.

The reason I posted in here is XBox users can be extremely bias, the PS3 is new so a lot of you guy just made the same decision I'm looking to make, so just wondering why the PS3 is better? What swayed you? Is it worth the bit extra?

@WarZoneBrother Thanks for the contructive critisism of the thread. Have you never asked for advice on a decision before?

steviec

whiterebel wrote: »

Do you have PS2 games already? if not, it makes the decision tougher. Certainly would have for me. I plumped on Saturday for PS3 60Gb because of the amount of PS2 games I already have. Thinking of the cost of starting again with a 360 made it a no brainer. XBox certainly have the game selection at the moment, but PS3 will see great games that unleash it power shortly, probably leaving the XBox behind. then the circle will start again with a new XBox that won't play the older games, leaving Sony with a big advantage with games on shelves. The Xbox will be mor epowerful and do more, but won't have as big a game collection. Unless Microsoft have a complete brain meltdown and make it backward-compatible.

To be honest, if you don't already have PS2 games, I'd sway further towards the PS3 in order to play the likes of Shadow of the Colossus and Okami on it. PS2's games catalogue is still the gold standard tbh.

Julez

Ah, there both excellent machines, PS3 now is probably better value, most of the big games will be on both anyway, a few exclusives here and there. If you had of asked me a week ago I would have said a 360 for sure but the PS3 just went so much cheaper! It's an excellent Blu-Ray player too which will show off your HD tv! The thing with the xbox tho is there have been a lot of good games over the past year that you could probably pick up quite cheaply now, so whatever ur into really!

Dwilly

To be honest I'm a bit peed off with the 360.

It's too damn noisy and doesn't run full 1080p with my flippin 5 grand LCD. Grrr. Why they didn't include HDMI at the start is beyond me.
I'm running media centre s/w and streaming MP3s wireless from a server but it overheats in the AV centre I bought so have to dangle it outside.

Thinking of just getting media centre PC and running MAME! Lot less hassle

That said, I think the standard of games is better than the PS3 (so far).

steviec

Monty_123 wrote: »

The reason I posted in here is XBox users can be extremely bias, the PS3 is new so a lot of you guy just made the same decision I'm looking to make, so just wondering why the PS3 is better? What swayed you? Is it worth the bit extra?

Bad experiences with the 360 would have been the first thing that swayed me. I've had to get mine repaired multiple times, the reliability is attrocious. When I got my PS3 it was such a breath of fresh air, the system just exudes quality.

Secondly, the games selection. Everyone says the 360 has better games but it depends what you're into. What I enjoy most is action adventure games with a great story to lose yourself in. I also like Japanese RPG games. Both of these are major Sony strong points. So far, Heavenly Sword and now Folklore have ticked all the boxes for everything I want from my games. I can't think of a single 360 game in the time I had one that did the same thing. There's only one announced 360 game that I really want for this reason too and that's Mass Effect, while the PS3 has more action adventure and RPG games than I can count in the pipeline. Obviously talking exclusives here, many of the best games will be on both machines anyway.

As for other genres, I also tend to enjoy quirky / indie games - something Sony has an excellent track record for bringing to their machines and is set to continue with the likes of Everyday Shooter and Loco Roco already out and things like Little Big Planet, Echochrome and Nobi nobi boy announced.

When it comes to racing or sports your basically spoilt for choice on either console, though the 360 probably has the better racing line up. I can live with that though because I'm a huge Formula 1 fan and you can only get Formula 1 on Playstation.

Other genres? I don't think either system has any good platformers, but the PS3 has Ratchet & Clank coming, and of course it has Insomniac, Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch all working exclusively on the system, which is the biggest platform game pedigree you can get outside of Nintendo.

Sandbox games - MS win hands down with Crackdown, but beyond that Assassin's Creed, GTA IV and Saints Row 2 will be coming to both systems, and Infamous is PS3 exclusive, so having already played Crackdown to death I wasn't too pushed by losing the 360 here.

And they're the only genres I can think of that I care about. If I cared about first person shooters then I'd have far more interest in the 360, but I don't.


For your last question on price, the price never bothered me. I plan on using the system for the next 5 or 6 years. I'm pretty sure I've already spent more on games than I initially spent on the console. I don't miss the extra £100 or whatever the difference was. 5 years of paying for xbox live alone will make up the cost, never mind if you ever need to upgrade your hard drive or need a high def dvd player or need wi-fi or any of the other hidden extras like rechargeable controller batteries which Sony include as standard. So it's no big deal. But then I'm a big gamer and will happily pay for a 360 Elite as soon as there's a reason to get one so I'm sure it's a bigger deal to other people.

Monty_123

Thanks for the post. I wouldn't be a huge fan of Japanese games, love first person shooter games. Kinda like sports games like pro evo and madden. Not a big racing fan.... Does that pick one above the other?

Monty_123

50/50 in the Playstation forum :-O

AnCapaillMor

Come on someone quick sign on under another email and tip it back in our favour.

Monty_123

Does that prove the 360 better???

silvine

I recently traded in my PS3 for the XBOX (just before the price drop). The PS3 is a better built machine and looks the part. It is quiet, well put together and has a load of cool features. The Blueray player and the wifi being the standouts. It's also a lot more reliable than the XBOX 360.

The reason why I switched was when it comes to gaming, the XBOX 360 (for me) wins every time. I was missing out on too many good games (Gears of War, Bioshock, Halo 3, etc). The PS3 might have some good games, but the majority aren't here yet and the PS3 exclusives weren't really my thing. Also, Xbox live blew me away. It may be €60 or so a year but the community is great and it is really well run by Microsoft. I don't mind paying for quality, which brings me back to the PS3.

It is a great home entertainment system. To the poster who said he didn't want a console trying to PC, the PS3 does a better job of that the XBOX 360. The PS3 even has an internet browser and the 60GB has a media card reader for uploading photographs.

My advice would be look at what games are out, coming out and what ones you think you would like to play and hate to miss out on. Then pick a system. That, or get both.

kdizl/doylah

true what silvine said!!

but imo ps3 man defo!!!
heres why..
http://www.comnetslash.com/2007/10/16/ps3-price-cut-in-uk-has-led-to-a-178-increase/

also you can put linux onto your ps3 to make it more like a pc aswell

bioshock is coming to ps3 aswell, while
these are exclusives
1. SOCOM: Confrontation
2. Socom
3. Chunsoft
4. Time Crisis 4
5. The agency
6. MLB08: The Show
7. NBA08
8. FreeRealms MMO
9. My SUmmer Holiday
10. Wagan Midnight

Old Exclusives

11. Afrika
12. Angel Rings
13. Eight days
14. Eyedentify
15. Eyetoy
16. Fifth Phantom Saga
17. F1: Championship Edition 2006
18. Final Fantasy XIII
19. DC Universe
20. Big Time Revenge
21. Gretzky NHL
22. Wipeout
23. White Knight Story
24. Way of the Samurai 3
25. Warhawk
26. Final Fantasy Versus XIII
27. God Of War III
28. Gran Turismo 5
29. Heavenly Sword
30. Heavy Rain
31. Hot Shots Golf 5
32. Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
33. Killzone 2
34. Lair
35. Metal Gear Solid 4
36. METRO 2033: The Last Refuge
37. Mist of Chaos
38. Monster Hunter 3
39. Folklore
40. Motor Storm 1
41. Motor Storm 2
42. Ninja Gaiden Sigma
43. Ni-Oh
44. Ratchet and Clank 5
45. Redwood falls
46. Resistance Fall Of Man 2
47. Singstar
48. Super Robot Taisen
49. Tekken 6
50. The Eye of Judgment
51. The Getaway

Unearthly

Not sure how increased sales is a reason to buy a console

Alot of those games you named of are not even out yet or proven franchises:rolleyes:

My advice would be is ask yourself what games you are interested in, then if you are going to use HD with it or not? Wireless broadband or not? The 360 can suit you if you are only into games and have no need to buy the add ons that the PS3 already has.

On the otherhand if you want a media centre and fancy the games on the PS3 then it's a much better purchase. Do some research on sites such as Gamespot, or IGN and form your own opinion

steviec

Monty_123 wrote: »

Thanks for the post. I wouldn't be a huge fan of Japanese games, love first person shooter games. Kinda like sports games like pro evo and madden. Not a big racing fan.... Does that pick one above the other?

For FPS games you'll probably want the 360. It's got Gears of War (stereotypical big marine shooting aliens game #1), Halo 3 (stereotypical big marine shooting aliens game #2), Bioshock (very very good, atmospheric horror game set in a 1950s era). The PS3 has Resistance (World War 2 with aliens, has some interesting weapons but not much else) and coming quite soon is Haze (looks to have an interesting story with moral choices in an alternate future, potentially good, from the makers of Goldeneye) and a little further off is Killzone 2 (stereotypical big marine shooting aliens game #3)

Both consoles have the Call of Duty games (World War 2, and soon to be modern warfare - very atmospheric) and the Tom Clancy games, which are the best FPS games on either console IMO (aside from Bioshock for its story) - the 360 pad suits FPS games better though in my experience. The PS3 sticks don't feel quite as accurate for these games, and the triggers don't feel as good either.

Football games are the opposite - the PS3 pad is much better for these since it has better face buttons and doesn't have those awful bumper buttons above the triggers. There's unlikely to ever be an important sports game exclusive to either console though.

koneko

Monty_123 wrote: »

The reason I posted in here is XBox users can be extremely bias

I think you'll find the same thing in the Playstation board, to be honest, fanboys on either side are biased it's why they're called fanboys

I have all three and personally I think that's the way to go so you don't miss out on any games, each console will have great exclusives that aren't coming to the others. But seeing as you have to choose, at the moment, based on the type of games you like, I think you should go for the 360. People are right when they say that generally the PS3 has a better build quality, it has a lower failure rate, but for me it's about the games, and the PS3 is not providing that yet.

koneko

steviec wrote: »

the 360 pad suits FPS games better though in my experience. The PS3 sticks don't feel quite as accurate for these games, and the triggers don't feel as good either.

QFT I really didn't like Dualshock II and when the PS3 was going to be released I was hoping they'd take a few tips from the 360's pad (which I think it just loooovely except for the D-pad), I really really don't like the sticks and the triggers are even worse
Perhaps the new pads with rumble will improve it slightly as the controller won't feel as light, but still... The position of the sticks just doesn't feel uncomfortable.

norrie rugger

WarZoneBrother wrote: »

make a console forum pleaseee!!!...is there no other place for these silly little threads??? I think they belong in the bin..

There should be a general Console forum.
This is not a silly little thread but a guy asking for advice. If there was a general forum then he would be getting more balanced replies

AnCapaillMor

A general console fourm would be funny, 90% of the threads would be closed after 4 posts.

edmund_f

for what its worth..


Big advantage of these 'next gen' consoles is the picture and sound performance. If you do not have the hardware to run them to their full potential you would be hard pushed to note the difference between a Xbox1 -2 PS2-3, in my opinion.The big problem aside from all the 'we have this game you don't' argument is that these consoles are a lot more than just a console, they are a media center, HD player etc etc. I would stick with an Xbox 1 or PS2 until i had the hardware to run either of these HD consoles fully and i would take the opportunity try using others peoples so you can have a mess about with them, see what they can / can't do and make an informed decision.

I was very impressed with the Wii as just a fun easy to use console, may be worth considering.

Vic Vinegar

edmund_f wrote: »

If you do not have the hardware to run them to their full potential you would be hard pushed to note the difference between a Xbox1 -2 PS2-3, in my opinion.

Are you on drugs?

kensutz

Seems to me he is.

Vic Vinegar

kensutz wrote: »

Seems to me he is.

He's not answering anyway so he must be off to do some more!

Zapp Brannigan

kdizl/doylah wrote: »

true what silvine said!!

but imo ps3 man defo!!!
heres why..
http://www.comnetslash.com/2007/10/16/ps3-price-cut-in-uk-has-led-to-a-178-increase/

also you can put linux onto your ps3 to make it more like a pc aswell

bioshock is coming to ps3 aswell, while
these are exclusives
1. SOCOM: Confrontation
2. Socom
3. Chunsoft
4. Time Crisis 4
5. The agency
6. MLB08: The Show
7. NBA08
8. FreeRealms MMO
9. My SUmmer Holiday
10. Wagan Midnight

Old Exclusives

11. Afrika
12. Angel Rings
13. Eight days
14. Eyedentify
15. Eyetoy
16. Fifth Phantom Saga
17. F1: Championship Edition 2006
18. Final Fantasy XIII
19. DC Universe
20. Big Time Revenge
21. Gretzky NHL
22. Wipeout
23. White Knight Story
24. Way of the Samurai 3
25. Warhawk
26. Final Fantasy Versus XIII
27. God Of War III
28. Gran Turismo 5
29. Heavenly Sword
30. Heavy Rain
31. Hot Shots Golf 5
32. Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
33. Killzone 2
34. Lair
35. Metal Gear Solid 4
36. METRO 2033: The Last Refuge
37. Mist of Chaos
38. Monster Hunter 3
39. Folklore
40. Motor Storm 1
41. Motor Storm 2
42. Ninja Gaiden Sigma
43. Ni-Oh
44. Ratchet and Clank 5
45. Redwood falls
46. Resistance Fall Of Man 2
47. Singstar
48. Super Robot Taisen
49. Tekken 6
50. The Eye of Judgment
51. The Getaway

That list of exclusives is depressing. There's only about 5 games there that I'm really interested in; MGS4, FFXIII, GoWIII...oh wait, only three

AnCapaillMor

In the end, wait for PES to come out, see which gets the best review and then make your decision.

Balfas

I own all three current gen consoles. Currently the Xbox 360 as a gaming platform is ahead of the PS3. The PS3 will catchup but it looks like it will take some more time. Also the xbox 360 online side is better and more streamlined than the PS3 but you have to pay for it to play online, while the PS3 online part is free.

The xbox 360 does have reliability issues but I have had mine nearly two years and its fine. The new 360 seam to be alot better so that shouldn't be an issues. The PS3 has been solid in this area.

The xbox 360 is noisy while the PS3 is alot quieter but not whisper quiet. But the 360 doesn't bother me when I am playing games but if you use it to play dvds or as a media centre its annoying. The PS3 is a great dvd up scaling player and a cheap and cheerful blue ray player (if your into HD video content).

Also the 1080p isnt a big deal yet as most games on both consoles run at 720p. Even if they run at 1080p its up scaled from 720p to 1080p.

Also go to some game sites and get a feel for the games available on each system. I would go to sites like:
http://www.gamespot.com
and to get an overall feel of the best games on each system.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/

Ciaran500

kdizl/doylah wrote: »

bioshock is coming to ps3 aswell, while

No its not.

unklerosco

I had a ps3, sold it on... same with the Wii. Kept my xbox 360(well traded it in for an Elite)

Ps3 will come into its own this time next year. People kept telling me to hold onto it as games will be out next year etc etc. Glad i didnt listen n sold it. With the price drop i'd have been pissed cause it'd be worth a good bit less. I'll pick one up again this time next year, mainly for GThd...

If its a games console u want, the 360 has it beaten hands down(mainly cause it has games to play) The Ps3 is a jack of all trades, as i said.. this time next year it "should" be the console to get... Me, i'll be waiting for Gears of War 2 and the Xbox 720

mcgovern

kdizl/doylah wrote: »

true what silvine said!!

but imo ps3 man defo!!!
heres why..
http://www.comnetslash.com/2007/10/16/ps3-price-cut-in-uk-has-led-to-a-178-increase/

also you can put linux onto your ps3 to make it more like a pc aswell

bioshock is coming to ps3 aswell, while

Bioshock is not going to the PS3, don't know how many times that has to be said.
Half the other games on your list haven't even been announced yet

If you like games, buy a 360.
If you want HD movies, buy a PS3.

randombar

Haze comign out on the PS3 looks like it'll take HD gaming to the next level.

Also I have the PSP hooked up with remote log in to the ps3 so can watch all my movies and music stored on my ps3 anywhere in the world via the psp! The job for hotels and the likes!

Ciaran500

GaryCocs wrote: »

Haze comign out on the PS3 looks like it'll take HD gaming to the next level.

You must be kidding. Its looking decent but there's nothing in there to "take HD gaming to the next level."

mcgovern

This might help you decide, sales details from last month.

Xbox 360 software revenue at retail outsold PS3’s software portfolio 8:1 and Wii’s 4:1, selling 3 times more than both platforms combined.

For the month of September according to NPD, Xbox 360 software represented 74 percent of total software sales for the next generation market compared to 17 percent for Wii and 9 percent for PS3. Even without the sales of “Halo 3” the Xbox 360 portfolio outsold the PS3 portfolio 2:1.

# Xbox 360 is home to the best-selling games with the top-rated next-generation titles. According to the world-wide authority in entertainment reviews, Metacritic, Xbox 360 has 80 titles with a Metacritic review score of 80 or higher compared to just 31 for PS3 and 11 for Wii.
# Newly released title “The Orange Box” (Valve) and the highly anticipated title “Mass Effect” (Microsoft Game Studios) have both generated rankings of 97 and higher according to Metacritic. And not to forget “BioShock” (2KGames) which remains one of the year’s highest rated games.
# In spite of the unprecedented success of “Halo 3,” Xbox 360 continued to drive third-party games sales across all platforms. PS3 and Wii had ZERO third party titles in the top ten console title list for the month, while Xbox 360 weighed in with 3. Since November, third party partners have seen their titles hit the top ten 27 times for Xbox 360, compared to 2 for PS3 and 1 for Wii.
# Everyone knew “Halo 3” would be big -and it didn’t disappoint- but it wasn’t the only good news for the industry. For the month of September, according to the NPD Group data, Xbox 360 held six spots in the Top Ten Console Games. Led by initial sales of “Halo 3” Xbox 360 software is flying off the shelves. Below is a breakout of title sales from the September NPD data:
# In its first two weeks, the three editions of “Halo 3” placed #1, 2 and 3 overall for console title sales - for a total of more than $225 million in sales in the U.S. with 3.3 million units. Average unit prices were $69 per game. The $130 “Halo 3: Legendary Edition” alone sold twice as many units as the top title for PS3 “Heavenly Sword” (SCE); the helmet is mightier than the sword.
# Proving that Xbox 360 is the new home for sports gamers, “Madden NFL ‘08” (EA) on Xbox 360 was again the leading next gen platform with 173,000 units sold, compared to the PS3 at 62,000 and Wii at 58,000. To date, “Madden NFL ‘08” has sold 1.1 million units on Xbox 360, 87 percent more than other next-gen platforms combined.
# Xbox 360 exclusive "BioShock" has sold 641,000 units through the end of September and remains to be on track to sell more than 1 million units. While “Halo 3” and “Madden NFL ‘08” have led the way as the first of a string of titles that are expected to sell more than 1 million units between now and the end of the year.
# As we announced earlier this month Xbox 360 has an unprecedented lineup of titles expected to sell at least a million units worldwide, including new and upcoming releases such as “Call of Duty 4®: Modern Warfare™" (Activision), "Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock" (RedOctane/Activision), "Mass Effect" (Microsoft Game Studios)
# Rounding out the top titles for Xbox 360, “Skate” (EA) came in at #6. The Xbox 360 version of the innovative titles outsold the PS3 version 6:1.

Its also hammering the PS3 in hardware sales, though this should be taken with a pinch of salt as the PS3 price drop was expected by some.

NPD reported that in the US, Xbox 360 was the #1 console for the month; outselling PS3 5:1

Total sales of the Xbox 360 were more than 528,000 , compared to 501,000 for Wii and 119,000 for PS3. (PS3 sales posted an average weekly decline of 27 percent.)

Its a good indication of which way the wind is blowing.

steviec

mcgovern wrote: »

This might help you decide, sales details from last month.

So people should base their buying decisions on American sales figures now? I better rush out and buy Madden NFL!

Burning Eclipse

steviec wrote: »

So people should base their buying decisions on American sales figures now? I better rush out and buy Madden NFL!

You are completely missing his point. :rolleyes:

mcgovern

steviec wrote: »

So people should base their buying decisions on American sales figures now? I better rush out and buy Madden NFL!

They should factor it in if they want the console that will have the most 3rd party support, yes.
Its the most important market for most genres and home to a lot of the big developers.
At no stage did I say they should base their buying decision off it, if you read it instead of trying to be smart, you'd see I said "This might help you decide" i.e. be one of the things which would influence your decision, but not be the only one.

311

Does the Xbox do this ? http://www.sony.ie/view/ShowArticle.action?article=1182234938528&site=odw_en_IE

kensutz

Point being?

311

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
http://kotaku.com/gaming/folding@home/ps3-dominates-foldinghome-246543.php

unklerosco

_Brian_ wrote: »

Does the Xbox do this ? http://www.sony.ie/view/ShowArticle.action?article=1182234938528&site=odw_en_IE

Its a bloody games console... If thats the reason why u should buy a PS3 then god help us all... :rolleyes:

And before u start telling me off cause its for cancer research etc. I have it running on all the pcs in my office...

311

unklerosco wrote: »

Its a bloody games console... If thats the reason why u should buy a PS3 then god help us all... :rolleyes:

And before u start telling me off cause its for cancer research etc. I have it running on all the pcs in my office...

You sound annoyed ,

I'm just pointing out it's power in comparison with other machines. Fairly straight forward post I made

kensutz

Nothing straight forward about it.

311

kensutz wrote: »

Nothing straight forward about it.

Sorry about that.

unklerosco

I run a folding client on a PIII in work.... Running it doesnt mean its powerful. Although, the PS3 is ahead of the 360 in that sense. Anyone see the new GT5 screen shots... Sweet monkeys their good...

http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=350&page=16

steviec

unklerosco wrote: »

I run a folding client on a PIII in work.... Running it doesnt mean its powerful. Although, the PS3 is ahead of the 360 in that sense. Anyone see the new GT5 screen shots... Sweet monkeys their good...

http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=350&page=16

Don't need to look at screenshots, you can download the demo on the Playstation Network now. On the one hand it's the closest to a photo realistic game I've seen, but on the other that means little graphical issues really stand out.

Heavenly Sword and Folklore both look nicer IMO, not as technically outstanding (but still pretty great), but far more artistically good looking.