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Fellow posters.
Should the onus to report abusive posts be on fellow posters? Or should moderators be able to determine for themselves that other posts in a thread that has already been brought to their attention are objectionable?
We, the moderators, can usually only offer 1 opinion or at best discuss it for a little while and then come to an agreement based on the opinions of 3 or 4 people with somewhat similar mindset - we should not act as a moral compass, or a child-minding service - we are human: fallible and have a finite amount of time and patience. We deal with the bottom-of-the-barrel stuff (outright infractions) directly and as quickly as possible. We get a lot of whinging about this. For everything else, there's Report This Post. If you think there is an on-going, deeper issue like this - then Feedback or a PM to the moderators is appropriate.
Boardsies want and need a lot of flexibility for "GENERAL Discussion" -we give it to them. I would happily give them more if they regulated themselves (i.e. Copped the **** on, and reported posts).
I'd like you to cite some more examples of the 'issue' at hand...but you've cleverly opted out of this thread and made it look like a little rant, wasting an opportunity to actually do something. I'd say 'Typical' but you've actually managed to go two steps beyond the usual AH retard.
AH -v- tCNHonestly perhaps the General Discussion should be split up into two areas: one for those who would like to have discussions in accordance with a charter, and another for those who want to continue to act like immature cretins.
In short: bull****.I am quite shocked at what is being allowed on After Hours these days, as I know it would not have been only a few years ago.
Slightly longer version, gudunlehknusswhy: T'Internets have grown. Boards.ie has grown. AH has grown. "Grown" = more people, more opinions and diversity. In order to have a general discussion on t'internets, people tend to reach the lowest common denominator. I blame tabloids, t'internets, TV, and Britney. Thank you and good day (I hope that you enjoy posting in any of the other several hundred fora here.)
PS: If you want us to lock that thread in AH, drop any modertor a PM.0 -
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Should the onus to report abusive posts be on fellow posters? Or should moderators be able to determine for themselves that other posts in a thread that has already been brought to their attention are objectionable?
I know it's popular belief that Mods don't have real lives, but that just isn't true
If you mod a busy forum, there is no way you will ever get to read every single post, therefore reported posts are exceedingly helpful.
Most of the reported posts I get I will deal with, the odd one however I may consider ok and will leave it.
What one person might consider objectionable, I might not. I would presume that in AH this is even more obvious.0 -
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Speak for yourself.Beruthial wrote:I know it's popular belief that Mods don't have real lives, but that just isn't true
Xiney, I asked you to take up your problems in AH to feedback. I also suggested you supply links to the threads you found questionable.
We can't instantly know what is to one persons taste and what is not. This is why we ask for links.
As you have decided to opt out of posting in this thread again and have not supplied any links, I do not see how we can help you with your problem.0 -
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Honestly perhaps the General Discussion should be split up into two areas: one for those who would like to have discussions in accordance with a charter, and another for those who want to continue to act like immature cretins.
Tbh, I have seen far more "immature" and "cretinous" behaviour in AH than I have ever seen in tCN.AH -v- tCN
tCN is a pishtake forum, and is very clear about that:
light-hearted / tongue in cheek - always
silly / giddy - often
immature - yes, sometimes, but usually in the sense of people leaving their "sensible" hats at the door, and acting the goat
surreal - now and again, in its better moments
full of people deliberately slagging / taking the pish out of each other - yes, 100%
cretinous - ??? Well, I have yet to see the kind of borderline racism, etc., which sometimes afflicts AH rear its ugly head in any serious way in tCN, to take just one example.
Admittedly, there have been many threads in AH which might just as easily have found a home in tCN, if the AH Mods had wanted to move them ... the spate of threads a couple of weeks ago of the "what age were you when you first w@nked?" type springs immediately to mind. Please note, I'm not saying that they should have been moved, or that they were inappropriate for AH, simply that such light-hearted, pishtake-type threads might easily fit in either forum.
For some people, they tend to gravitate to tCN for a bit of silliness, others may tend to find that in a particular private forum, or prefer to take the pish out of one another on #boards, or indeed all three ... whichever is their choice, it doesn't automatically make either their choice of venue or the behaviour itself cretinous.
And yes, Karoma, I strongly suspect that your comment above was also tongue-in-cheek, but while you may have meant it that way, and others may at least suspect as much, not everyone who reads Feedback will take that on board (if you'll excuse the terrible pun!). I suppose I get a bit fed up with the constant snide asides at tCN in Feedback in particular; I've been noticing it now for a few months. Your's was the second in this particular thread, and it hasn't even reached 20 posts.
However, just to note that on this point you have my complete sympathy, for what it's worth! I honestly do not understand how the AH mods have the patience to keep going with so many people constantly second-guessing them on every side, and demanding that they should be less strict / more strict / jump through hoops. I wouldn't have the patience for it, tbh, and I have respect for the team that do it, and in my view do it quite well.For AH: I wish They would make up their ****ing minds. *pulls out hair*0 -
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Oh, I don't, believe me, despite any impression my post above may have given!One of my few problems with tCN is that people take it too seriously.
I would have put good money on that, but then I've seen enough of you around Boards to have a fair idea of your style. But a lot of people read Feedback, including a lot of the new people, who may not necessarily pick that up. As a tCN regular, I regret that the user-group of that forum has grown so small, and I would love to encourage others to pop in and use the place for what it is ... a bit of silliness, a timeout from the more serious business of life, an opportunity to let the hair down and de-stress.My comment was obviously tongue-in-cheek ...
/me puts on Fool's Cap and capers around!AH gets more of the idiots, tCN gets more of the (deliberate?) fools.
Yes, in all seriousness, I know that. In fact, sometimes I think the AH mods try to listen too hard to users, in terms of the concomitant risks to their own sanity!I do listen to users, if they have something worth saying. 0 -
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I like where tCN and AH have gone. Why people think they are similar is beyond me. tCN is for surreality and silliness and Amp mods it excellently in all fairness. Probably because he's fairly surreal and silly himself at the best of times
AH is as real as it gets, where Boards and the great unwashed public crash into contact with each other.
Stop and think a moment about what you want us to actually DO.
These people exist, we're not making up accounts to go around having a go an unsuspecting people like the OP. Those people believe those opinions. I'm very sorry if they offend but consider what you are requesting:
Are you asking us to change the Irish public so there are less rude people in it?
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Are you asking us to shield you from the truth (that there are a lot of yobs and rude people out there) and create an unreal coccoon?
Will stopping these people's ability to post alter their opinions and beliefs?
AH runs the gauntlet of allowing unvarnished, unfettered communication while attempting to keep the place from turning into a charnal house of bad taste. Its a tight rope walk which is why they are hearing cries of "Moderate more" along with "You are fascist bastards!". People are falling off both sides of the tightrope but it would seem like the 80% I have spoken about before are more or less happy.
As I have pointed out, Humanities might be more you style OP.
DeV.0 -
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One thing that tends to make people associate AH with tCN is the overlapping userbase.
Why, the big meanies in tCN are threatening to take over AH.
It's nothing short of a deliberate send-up.
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pretty-in-pink wrote: »tCN, take over AH?? Never...........................
edit: gotta love the random craziness in both though
This next one is great because it's in german.
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I was not aware that name calling fell under the description of "valid opinion".
If I said your husband/partner failed their duty and should be ashamed of themselves for not having defended your honour or person, I'd be expressing the same opinion pretty much. I'd just get slated by all the feminists.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks take away from a statement, but the point can be valid nonetheless. We stop it going too far but if you're too sensitive to deal with your partner being called a pussy there are other forums that you most likely will prefer, like Humanities.0 -
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Nail on the head.I like where tCN and AH have gone. Why people think they are similar is beyond me. tCN is for surreality and silliness and Amp mods it excellently in all fairness. Probably because he's fairly surreal and silly himself at the best of times
AH is as real as it gets, where Boards and the great unwashed public crash into contact with each other.
Stop and think a moment about what you want us to actually DO.
These people exist, we're not making up accounts to go around having a go an unsuspecting people like the OP. Those people believe those opinions. I'm very sorry if they offend but consider what you are requesting:
Are you asking us to change the Irish public so there are less rude people in it?
or
Are you asking us to shield you from the truth (that there are a lot of yobs and rude people out there) and create an unreal coccoon?
Will stopping these people's ability to post alter their opinions and beliefs?
AH runs the gauntlet of allowing unvarnished, unfettered communication while attempting to keep the place from turning into a charnal house of bad taste. Its a tight rope walk which is why they are hearing cries of "Moderate more" along with "You are fascist bastards!". People are falling off both sides of the tightrope but it would seem like the 80% I have spoken about before are more or less happy.
As I have pointed out, Humanities might be more you style OP.
DeV.
We try to give the majority of people what they want.
Membership of boards.ie has risen by tens of thousands in the past three years and quite a lot of those members end up in AH.
Higher broadband availibility in Ireland has also lead to increased usage.
Most of the people who regularly post in AH follow the rules and are quite happy to abide by them. Sometimes people cross the line, but they are dealt with.
AH may not be the same as it was three years ago, but times change.
The Celtic tiger is on his way out and this is leading to more and more people being frustrated with how the country is changing.
Roughly 10% of the population are immigrants and for some people this is not a good thing. These people fear change.
These things lead to more and more aggressive posting, but like DeVore said, you cannot change the views of other people.
Because of things like this, we get threads with people ranting about everyone and everything.
They don't like the government.
They don't like [insert nationality here] and their customs.
They pretty much don't like anything and they use AH to vent their frustrations about these things.
It's all good, so long as they obey the rules.
Stop talking to yourself.Karoma wrote:Speak for yourself; I register alternative accounts to abuse people on an hourly basis. It gets me through the day.
I'll stop though; you may lock the Terry account now.
Back to thought-control duties...
Wait. What?DeVore wrote:Terry banned.
I thought it was an Alisa script? Learn something new every day...
DeV.
I googled "Alisa Script". It led me to what I believe to be a dodgy site.
They will not win.Karoma wrote:
My great grandmother didn't die in Flanders so that these people can invade our domain.
The charter is being upheld.Xiney wrote:As for what the mods should do about AH:
1. Take down the charter if it's not going to be upheld. I'm an old hand at the internet, I read the charter before I post. To that end, I was expecting something a bit different when the replies started coming in.
You reported the offending post and the user in question recieved a warning under the new infraction system.
The charter needs to be updated to include details of this, but we are still working out the kinks and trying to decide how many warnings or infractions will constitute a ban. There are other things to be worked out in regards to this system, but it shouldn't take more than a few days.
As it stands, only mods can see that a person has been given a warning or infraction, so pointing out in that thread that the person has been warned is the only option available to us to show others that action has been taken.
If there are any specific rules you feel are not being upheld, please point them out and we will take action.
As an old hand at the internet, you should already know that there will always be someone who things they are being funny by trying to ridicule others for not knowing how a particular forum is run. You will then get someone else trying to out-funny them and so on and so forth.2. If the charter is to stay, enforce it. It's not fair for those who come in, read it, post and then when they get replies like "your husband is a pussy who should have beat the crap out of them" take issue, only to be ridiculed for not knowing that AH is known for that.
This is a regular occurance in AH.
We try our best to put a stop to it, but most of the time (as in your thread) it's mostly just harmless ribbing.
AH also goes through phases.
One week we get threads about bodily functions. The next week it's threads about Roma gypsies and the week after that it's inaccuracies in movies and tv.
It is constantly changing as more and more people find their way there and we try to keep up with these changes by changing certain rules in the charter or adding more to it.
Again, feel free to point out any flaws in how we moderate and we will be happy to address them.esel wrote:Agree on AH - it's gone to the dogs. I think the charter rules should be enforced or changed. Too many total muppets bumping their postcount.
Says the PI mod.Marksie wrote:Perhaps the AH charter should have a warning like food packaging.
Warning: may contain nuts
Not a bad idea, but it would probably just encourage more trolling.
Is your husband a member of boards.ie?Xiney wrote:I was not aware that name calling fell under the description of "valid opinion".
If so, we will take to task the user who called him a pussy.
Damn. That was a long reply.
I'll be back as soon as I free myself of this Couric and get some more cigarettes.0 -
It's more inarticulate describing than name-calling (Context considered)If I said your husband/partner failed their duty and should be ashamed of themselves for not having defended your honour or person, I'd be expressing the same opinion pretty much. I'd just get slated by all the feminists.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks take away from a statement, but the point can be valid nonetheless. We stop it going too far but if you're too sensitive to deal with your partner being called a pussy there are other forums that you most likely will prefer, like Humanities.
See, this is diversity at its best.
Three of us replied with differing views.
This is one of the good things about AH. That is, it's a melting pot with people of different backgrounds with different views on how it is and should be run.
Giblet, Tar, WWM and Monty would also give completely different answers, but in the end the place runs fine for most of the time.
Earlier today we had some porn spam.
Two people reported it straight away and the thread was deleted.
That's user interaction and mods being there when they are needed.0 -
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If I said your husband/partner failed their duty and should be ashamed of themselves for not having defended your honour or person, I'd be expressing the same opinion pretty much. I'd just get slated by all the feminists.
Bollixs to that tbh, partners defend each other's honour and then there is the honour of the couple to be considered as well and that is far from a new concept in this country.0 -
Leave me alone. It was the best word I could think of at the time.Re: Diversity
Uh...
I was up drinking until 6am.Bollixs to that tbh, partners defend each other's honour and then there is the honour of the couple to be considered as well and that is far from a new concept in this country.
nesf, run while you still can. 0 -
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