Banned from south east

CantGetNoSleep

I'm banned from all the sub forums under the south east heading, i dont know why as i was never notified of a ban

I've pm'd the mod twice but it doest look like he's going to write back

Can i find out anywhere what this ban was for and how long it is?

muffler

Is it the issue of you not knowing why you were banned (which Im sure you are already aware of) or is it the issue that the mod did not respond to your PM's?

Mods arent robots and can only reply to PMs when they are online and when they have the time. In any event a mod doesn't necessarily have to PM you in relation to a ban but if your "offense" wasnt clear cut then a Pm would be the normal way to handle things.

Have you checked the thread/post concerned to see if the mod has posted details of your ban on it and can you provide a link? (log out first and that will allow you to view the threads)

How long has it been since you sent your PM's to the mod concerned?

CantGetNoSleep

I have an idea of why I was banned, something not too serious, but I haven't seen anywhere that this is why I was banned.

I checked the thread a few weeks ago and there was no mention of me being banned in it, the thread is no longer on the forum now as no one has posted in it for a few weeks/

It's been 2 or 3 weeks since I pm'd the mod, I realise that the mod isnt a robot but I feel it would be courteous to reply after 3 weeks and 2 pm's

muffler

CantGetNoSleep wrote:

It's been 2 or 3 weeks since I pm'd the mod, I realise that the mod isnt a robot but I feel it would be courteous to reply after 3 weeks and 2 pm's

Thats a fair enough point. If you are banned from the main South East forum you are also automatically banned from all the sub fora which would explain why you cant access any of them.

Which mod did you PM? I think I read (not sure about this now) that flamegrill isnt as active as some other mods so you may look to PM someone else or the catmod about this issue.

Terry

CantGetNoSleep wrote:

I have an idea of why I was banned, something not too serious, but I haven't seen anywhere that this is why I was banned.

I checked the thread a few weeks ago and there was no mention of me being banned in it, the thread is no longer on the forum now as no one has posted in it for a few weeks/

It's been 2 or 3 weeks since I pm'd the mod, I realise that the mod isnt a robot but I feel it would be courteous to reply after 3 weeks and 2 pm's

Scroll down to the bottom of the main page on the South East forum.
You will see the option to show all threads from the past month.
Click on the drop down menu and select "beginning".
The thread is still there, just not visible until you select that option.

Sully

May I point out that the mod for South East has been ignoring all PMs and threads, at least on the Waterford Forum. Its been going on for ages, months in fact.

The issue was brought up at least twice, and the last I heard was the admins were to make a decision on electing a new mod. (At least, for the Waterford Forum)

mike65

Indeed the admins need a kick up the arse on this issue.

Appoint a Moderator who is not (apparently) dead!

Mike.

CantGetNoSleep

Who would have banned me though if the mod isn't active?

But yes I agree south east forum needs a mod who will do his job

pretty-in-pink

An a-mod, s-mod or admin can ban you too. THere has to be more then 1 mod in south east

Yeah, I pm'ed the mod about spam in the wexford forum a couple of times but never got a response..

He did post a thread about electing new mods but never followed through..

Blowfish

muffler wrote:

Which mod did you PM? I think I read (not sure about this now) that flamegrill isnt as active as some other mods so you may look to PM someone else or the catmod about this issue.

flamegrill isn't really that active at all on boards anymore, he's also rarely in the Unix forum which he also mods. Thankfully Unix doesn't need much looking after though.

RoundyMooney

This issue has been raised before.

I have done so again today.

muffler

Yes indeed. And I have seen this matter raised at least once if not twice in recent times.

Perhaps the admins will look into this or better still would someone just propose a new mod and let them deal with it then

feylya

pretty-in-pink wrote:

An a-mod, s-mod or admin can ban you too. THere has to be more then 1 mod in south east

A-Mod's only mod adverts.ie...

pretty-in-pink

feylya wrote:

A-Mod's only mod adverts.ie...

you still have teh site ban......

hmmmm why doesnt mike or scully mod it? They are southerners. Not to far from my home town really, yeah for our super cool radio

AlmightyCushion

pretty-in-pink wrote:

you still have teh site ban......

hmmmm why doesnt mike or scully mod it? They are southerners. Not to far from my home town really, yeah for our super cool radio

They wouldn't have the ability to ban from individual forums though.

pretty-in-pink

AlmightyCushion wrote:

They wouldn't have the ability to ban from individual forums though.

ahhh I see, well that still leaves s-mods and admin, if the proper mod has gone AWOL

WhiteWashMan

there is no cmod for the region category.

and if you had been banned by an smod, there probably would have been enough to warrant a pm.

if the category is in need of an cmod, i'll do it until we can get someone else if you want.

This issue was raised in the South East forum a while ago, with a new structure proposed so that each county sub forum gets a local mod..

However the thread seems to have vanished from the SE forum..

Terry

Deleted User wrote:

This issue was raised in the South East forum a while ago, with a new structure proposed so that each county sub forum gets a local mod..

However the thread seems to have vanished from the SE forum..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055077595

Flamegrill would probably have been better off raising the subject in the mod forum and nominating a few people.

muffler

Terry wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055077595

Flamegrill would probably have been better off raising the subject in the mod forum and nominating a few people.

That would have been the best option.

In saying that Flamegrill hasn't been logged on in the last 8 days which is hardly fulfilling a mods duties.

WhiteWashMan

muffler wrote:

That would have been the best option.

In saying that Flamegrill hasn't been logged on in the last 8 days which is hardly fulfilling a mods duties.

perhaps he is on holiday. hardly crime of the century not to log in for a week or two

why not wait and find out what the story is before talking about duty.

muffler

WhiteWashMan wrote:

perhaps he is on holiday. hardly crime of the century not to log in for a week or two

why not wait and find out what the story is before talking about duty.

On face value thats a fair enough comment WWM and I wasn't being critical of Flamefrill but merely pointing out a reason as to why there has been no feedback from him. Its not for me to make assumptions as to why he hasn't been logged in.

But most mods would post up in the mods forum if they are heading off for a while. In any event this is not the first time that this issue has been raised and yes it would be good for those fora if someone like yourself would step up to the role of cmod

Terry

Terry wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055077595

Flamegrill would probably have been better off raising the subject in the mod forum and nominating a few people.

How do you view threads that aren't listed on the forums pages (ie old threads such as that which have dropped off)?

Mr Magnolia

Go to 'User Settings' - 'Edit Options' - 'Default Thread Age Cut Off' - then select 'Show All Threads'

Cheers - I was thinking it was some mod prviellege!

Mr Magnolia

No probs. It may slow the loading times down a little though.

Sully

Terry wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055077595

Flamegrill would probably have been better off raising the subject in the mod forum and nominating a few people.

Most of those mentioned in that thread are not active. One of them isn't even in Ireland any more.

As far as I know, the last time this was raised, someone had made a decision on who to take over and they were awaiting on the admins to move. After that, I heard nothing more about it.

Sully

WhiteWashMan wrote:

perhaps he is on holiday. hardly crime of the century not to log in for a week or two

why not wait and find out what the story is before talking about duty.

This isnt a recent thing, its been going on for a fair long time now. Right back as far as that thread he created - if not further. I created at least two feedback threads on it in the past, but nothing materialised.

He has logged in a few times over the period but never responds to any messages or reported posts.

WhiteWashMan

thats fair enough then. if a mod is absent for long periods of time, and isnt responding when they do log in, then thats an issue.

Sully - you seem in the know here.

What was going to happen then? Was there going to be a mod for each regional forum with an overall CMod who modded South East?

Sully

I think thats what his plan was, but nothing ever came of it. I think its the best way. A Waterford mod should really only mod his own forum and not take much notice of Wexford (when it comes to mod duties - in my opinion).

Posts like that are a bit unusal, but proably didnt pick the best forum as the South East part was always quiet. People stuck to their own forum and never looked below it. Kinda like Waterford City & County. Plus those who were suggested seem to be away. At least, I know one is away from the country. I think it was also mainly Waterford mods that were suggested at that time.

The CMOD should oversee the general running of each forum, and step in when needed.

As iv said, this was discussed very recently and it looked like something was being done but the admins didnt act on it for some reason. At least, for the Waterford forum anyway..

Faith

Sully for mod!

(I have a very strong sense of déja vu...)

RoundyMooney

Haven't we all, Faith, haven't we all.

Sully

I cant see anything happening anytime soon.. this has been brought up a number of times and we have had this convo a few times now and arah, nothing!

Faith

Have the SMods got the power to make people mods? Given how busy the admins have been recently, it might be good if the smods could help out a bit. I can think of at least one other forum with several inactive mods.

Sully

Afaik, just the admins

Duiske

Faith wrote:

Sully for mod!

(I have a very strong sense of déja vu...)

I thinks thats what was being suggested way back. Makes sense though. The dude lives in there.

Ruu_Old

We don't have the power to add mods. I'll try and catch an admin to get this pushed through.

RoundyMooney

Nothing happening with approving/rejecting fora either.

Poker (as one example that comes to mind) and vanity private fora are created, quietly, and seemingly with ease, (what's pban?) while some excellent (and of course not so excellent ) suggestions languish unloved and unactioned on the Forums forum.

pretty-in-pink

probably because private forums are easier to manage, as they are limited membership, while public ones need a lot of work and thought

pban is a sekrit

RoundyMooney

The forum suggestions I've been referring to have been in hiatus for months, for or against, they have been well thrashed out by the boards community by now, and await a final admin decision.

If people can have fora approved over a few jars in the local, what's the point of Forum No. 461?

The almost instantaneous and surreptitious creation of some boards, while others go unresolved, and existing fora are left without active moderation for the already busy SMods to patrol, is not encouraging.

Whatever pban is, trumpeting its secrecy has little relevance to the discussion.

Mr Magnolia

Roundy, AFAIK and I'm open to correction here, if a current mod suggests a forum then it is generally implemented quick enough as the proposer has been deemed to be responsible enough to look after the day-to-day running of a forum.

Now, if a non-mod proposes a forum then more work has to go into it, causing a bit of a delay. This may or may not be the cause of the back log in 'forums' at the minute but it might provide a bit of an insight into selective implementation of some fora.

It's accepted the admins are busy and Dev has said that a forum clean-up is imminent.

pretty-in-pink

Some have been hanging round here for ages, some get passed through quickly. I'm not sure why. Unless some of the proposed fora were to be private, but have a large membership/ hmod presence? and with a large number of posters, surely the forum will get made public pretty quickly?

The admins are indeed very busy, same with the s-mods, and there are a heck of a lot of mods here now,maybe an upgrade for a-mods, so they can thread ban, and so remove some of the pressure?

RoundyMooney

Some good points there Mr. Mag.

At a glance, the split of forum requests appears to be 70/30 in favour of registered users. It seems that created/rejected fora have not been moved into the subfora, which skews my initial impression slightly.

That said, there's a helluva lot of outstanding stuff there, some of which have attracted over 200 contributions. On the face of it, it's hard to discern a bias in favour of existing moderator suggestions, but if DeV posted something to that effect outside of a mod forum, I wouldn't mind seeing a link to it, if you have it to hand

Hang on there, while I whip out my soapbox...

I suppose what I'm getting at is this. No one can dispute that the admins have busy lives. I don't know what they do for a living (except regi!), but I presume they are all gainfully employed, perhaps with young families in one or two cases.Without wishing to preempt what they may wish to add, at this stage, boards has been with them for ten years man and boy, and has moved from a hobby pursuit to something beyond what anyone may have expected, with inherent overheads, both time and financial.

To use a (loose) analogy, the baby's all growed up now, and is looking for new soccer kit, dora dolls, lifts to school/soccer/ballet, and Sony PSPs. Bottle, burp,and bed just doesn't cut it anymore. Ahead lie the joys of college fees, house deposits, wedding expenses, and grandchildren aplenty.

I love this site (don't we all?), and am eternally grateful that the lads stuck with it in the early years.

Boards is IMO in need of something more now. I realise that a permanent paid staff member is in the pipeline, which after years of what is essentially a rather large voluntary effort, must be a heady prospect.

It was said by an admin once (DeV?) that the SMods were the best decision they ever made. I couldn't agree more. Day in, day out, they deal admirably with mod queries, spam deletion, advice, and a raft of other little things that keep this site alive, and do so with aplomb, good humour, and infinite modesty. I think personally that one of the greatest assets this site has is its culture of self management, from conscientious users all the way up the line through mods, Cmods etc.

If the admins cannot dedicate the time the site merits to make top level decisions themselves, perhaps the option of elevating some or all of the SMods, should they wish it, to admin level authority should be considered? This is not a situation that is going to go away.

Obviously this is a notion that bears considerable scrutiny, first of all, the assent of the people involved, the probable necessity of renumeration of some kind, what their extended duties would entail (authority to create/delete fora, appoint mods, database control etc. is all I'm thinking of here), and other things I may have forgotten/am not privy to, not least the leap of faith required by the admins to hand over the reins to others (they did this to a lesser degree before, with the creation of the Smod category in the first place).

To allow a chosen few highly trusted people (and friends) to deal with the last few ongoing day to day duties of running a bulletin board of this size does not seem to me to be an impossible option, and need not constitute a total relinquishment of control of the asylum, to the lunatics.

/steps down, shuffles off stage...

RoundyMooney

pretty-in-pink wrote:

The admins are indeed very busy, same with the s-mods, and there are a heck of a lot of mods here now,maybe an upgrade for a-mods, so they can thread ban, and so remove some of the pressure?

Amods have nothing to do with this issue, their admin functions are a necessary side effect of the shortcomings of the existing adverts software.

pretty-in-pink

True as that is, there remains the possibility they could get forums etc to mind, and so relieve some of the pressure on the s-mods and admin

AlmightyCushion

I'm pretty sure that most of the amods, mod a forum or two here as well.

RoundyMooney

That's right, AC. I think only two or so don't.

More mods, or the same number of mods modding more fora is not the issue here (while it remains a part of the big picture). We can't get mods existing or otherwise allocated as it is, which was the original deviation this thread took.

Again, Amods, myself included are not part of the issue, or the solution to same. I don't know why you keep bringing them up.

pretty-in-pink

Cause there should be more people with similar abilities to create/ delete fora then admin

and I don't know any s-mods offline, but I know a few a-mods

AlmightyCushion

You made a lot of good points above about giving smods more power. You say that one of the admins said that creating the smods was the best decision they've ever made. Now while I wasn't around before the smods were created, I can only imagine what it would be like without them and that isn't a pretty picture. They are an invaluable service to the site and do a great job.

Maybe giving them the powers to create forums and make people mods is a good idea. I think it is definitely something the admins should look into. If this is done then the admins should appoint a few more smods to help with the extra workload.