Multiplayer help for Halo noobs

MikeHoncho

Well after a couple of days playing its safe to say I pretty much suck. Played a few games online and I did alright my first go around playing against some 12 year olds but everytime since ive had my ass handed to me. Most embarassing being a crushing defeat to a 14 year old who got to 25 kills before I got to 10.:mad:

I then played a local game against some friends who were experienced Halo 2 players and they pretty much wiped the floor with me too.:o

Can any of you experienced players here give me a few hints and tips as to how to better myself. I know practice is important but are there any tricks or tactics I can employ to save myself from humiliation?

DarkJager

The main thing you need to do is play the maps a lot and memorise spots where you have a clear shot but the enemies can't really see you . There are a lot of different places when you can set up a choke point, effectively wiping out the opposition without taking a scratch. On smaller maps, try to avoid using the vehicles as you will probably get tagged with a grenade before you can even jump out of the way. Always be aware of the area you are in and if there are any entry points that enemys could use to catch you by surprise. And always...keep an eye on your radar. People never really look at it until someone has popped them with a shotgun from point blank range.

mickoneill30

One tactic that was working for me the other day (against not so good players) was to keep shooting and running towards them and then hitting them with the butt of my gun.

Dades

mickoneill30 wrote:

One tactic that was working for me the other day (against not so good players) was to keep shooting and running towards them and then hitting them with the butt of my gun.

Since they upped the damage for melee attacks, and reintroduced the AR this is my fav form of attack - at least on the smaller maps. It's also one of the most satisfying.

dmigsy

Yeah, nothing like sneaking up and smashing someone before they know you're there:)

muboop1

they always turn around, and i end up hitting them in side...boo...

indough

Getting to know the maps and using radar is all I can think of really, presuming that you're not just a bad aim? I had the same problem for a while but am ok now.

cedomination

-Never run straight towards someone,always strafe left and right.

-Get good with the BR because its the best overall weapon.

-Always go for the head.

-Avoid throwing grenades in the middle of a firefight because it leaves your opponent free to blast you to bits.

-Always use your motion sensor to your advantage.

unregd147

Increase your sensitivity to 7 or above(10 idealy) and get used to it.

Change your button congfig to boxer. This changes the "throw grenade" trigger to Melee instead which is far easier to use

TheDoc

i just started playing halo 3 literally since release date. I was getting whiped but then copped on pretty wuick. Its just getting used to maps and getting used to aiming, im more use to fps on the pc.

I'm getting decent now so....see you online :P

MikeHoncho

Thanks will be putting these into practice tonight. Should save me from further humiliation.

sapper

I'm no genius meself, but keeping an eye on the radar and try not to get into a scrap with a less-than-fully-loaded gun - keep reloading during the quiet spots!

koneko

Remember you have different grenades too, you can cycle through them with the left bumper button. Find weapons you're comfortable with, and get to know the maps so you know where those weapons are. Always keep an eye out (and watch the radar) and pretty much always keep moving.

hotnipples

'Sticking' someone with the second type of grenade is one of the most satisfying things ive seen in an online game for a while

pbsuxok1znja4r

Best thing to do is keep moving. Don't stay in the one place unless you're waiting to pounce on a specific enemy you know is coming. This way you may die a little more often, but you will also come to kill a lot more often.

eoin2nc

mickoneill30 wrote:

One tactic that was working for me the other day (against not so good players) was to keep shooting and running towards them and then hitting them with the butt of my gun.

Ye thats the only tactic I have. It does work, well most of the time. Ive got MVP a good few times with it

RAIN

Just got online last night for the first time.Needless to say i got pwoned alot , im finding the best tactic is to find the active camo orb and base your attacks around that area once your in camo you can get at least two kills every time you use it.Butt of the gun and sticky blue grenades after that.

Creamy Goodness

lol some of the advice here is terrible.

use what sensitivity feels right for you, just because it's nice for someone doesn't mean it's right for you. also same can be said for controls. try all combinations of controls and sensitivity, and stick to what you feel best with.

it took me 3 years to get the right combination for me in cs 1.6.

also if you suck at halo don't move to any other fps because if you're getting owned by halo players you'll get so badly raped by other fps players that you'll die and be exhumed then raped again.

o Diablo o

Cremo wrote:

lol some of the advice here is terrible.

use what sensitivity feels right for you, just because it's nice for someone doesn't mean it's right for you. also same can be said for controls. try all combinations of controls and sensitivity, and stick to what you feel best with.
it took me 3 years to get the right combination for me in cs 1.6.

also if you suck at halo don't move to any other fps because if you're getting owned by halo players you'll get so badly raped by other fps players that you'll die and be exhumed then raped again.

Good point I was just about to say that. The only thing id strongly urge people to do is turn vibration off.
Anyway in regards to multiplayer philosophy, I'll give you some of what I've picked up in lone wolves as I've played that more than teams so far.

Slayer: Its important to stay active and not run around the outskirts looking for power weapons. Try to be involved in every fight without actually being in the middle of it. ie. BR and grenades. Take 5 mins with each map in a customs lobby to learn the weapon spawns/ control points

Watch your radar, Its imperitive that your mentally capable of giving up on a kill and changing targets when need be. Always try to focus on the bigger threat. This is hard to grasp, but dont run about too much. Get to a nice control point. eg. a high point where you can see a lot and just keep looking everywhere.

Dont chase kills while there just shoot everyone you see. Its not a bad idea to move position if you want. but avoid running into battle. You can kill people at mid range theres no need to get stuck in.
You cant pay as much attention to your surroundings if your in motion

Oddball: One very simple but effective thing is to ignore the ball at the start and just go grab the bubble shield. If you drop the that thing while holding the ball your on your way to an easy win, due to the laughably overpowered melee strength of the ball. Shield doors are also your friend, as well as blind corners etc.

Apart from the one exception of the shield, dont distract yourself from the objective of getting time. Run at the ball when you spawn, killing whoever you can without changing course.

Once you have the ball, get out of the open as fast as possible. Watch your radar and try to move around corners to avoid people as much as possible.
Use blind corners and doors to melee.

Crazy king: Not much to say on this, its a very simple srategy. Run straight for the hill off spawn, taking a route with a BR on the way. attack everyone you see en route but never lose momentum.
Once in the hill, stay aggresive. Dont hide in the corner trying to get time.
There are only four other people in the game. Each one you kill while in the hill means a significant time boost for you before he makes it back.

bucks73

o Diablo o wrote:

Oddball: One very simple but effective thing is to ignore the ball at the start and just go grab the bubble shield. If you drop the that thing while holding the ball your on your way to an easy win, due to the laughably overpowered melee strength of the ball. Shield doors are also your friend, as well as blind corners etc.

Good tip. Must try that. Ive seen quite a lot of people using their veto for oddball though. Took me a few gos to get the hang of it but I find it pretty good now.

o Diablo o

Well as a competitive player, I hate the inclusion of objective gametypes in a free for all playlist and veto everytime but;

1) if your just looking to up your rank its an easy win

2) If you have to play it you may aswell have a srtategy

baztard

The one trick I've noticed is to use the melee attack (punching with gun) quite a lot. If very close to an enemy its more effective to hit them than to shoot them. Also if your sneaking up on someone from behind, hit them rather than open fire on them.

Oh and for team games, stay in a group! If you go running off by yourself you'll die very easily.

Zapp Brannigan

Dual wield the plasma pistol (the one that can be charged) with an SMG or a magnum. Hit someone with a fully charged plasma shot and you take their shield, then finish them off with your other weapon.

Always pick up a second weapon aswell, even if its crap. It will save your life when your primary weapon needs to be reloaded during a firefight.

acorkonian

the plasma pistol with smg is possibly the worst thing u can pick up...that was a halo 2 fad not halo 3..if u can pick up battle riffle...best weapon in the game..speaking from years of exp...level 40 in lone wolves at the moment:)

o Diablo o

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Wisesmurf

Few things that help me:

Try always be in proximity to a team-mate. 2 on 1 is always better and you'll get some kills off your team mates and some assists. If you know the person and communicate properly you can get many sprees

Use the radar. The amount of times I've played on levels with an underground section, found a person on my radar and jumped down behind them for a quick kill or assination is unreal.

If you see a firefight always get in there. 90% of the time the enemy will already have taken some shots and this makes your job easier.

Try master jumping and shooting when attacking from distance. This can help avoid damage from nades.

Always change to sticky nades when you have them. Sometimes youll get caught up on a 1 on 2 battle that you're not confident on so you can concentrate on the perfect stick-kill (it's soo satisfying, peticularly if it's a stick-kill from the grave!)

Try perfect the timing of the melee attack. An ill-timed melee is as bad as just running towards an attacker without firing

Reload at every safe opportunity, there is nothing worse than getting caught short at a firefight, you're a sitting duck.

Try get cover when your shield is recovering

I personally have done a few lan sessions with friends who are better than me and this is the single most important thing that has improved my game. Initially its very frustrating but it will make you a better player.

When I get home from work I'll think some more whilst playing and see what more I can come up with.

hotnipples

Reload at every safe opportunity, there is nothing worse than getting caught short at a firefight, you're a sitting duck.

Try get cover when your shield is recovering

ORLY?! Thanks for your pearls of wisdom, ill remember to have my gun reloaded and take cover if im hit next time

tbh

if you crouch when you move, you don't appear on radar.

You'd be surprised how predictable some people are as well, ie if you are getting shot from behind and run into a room, the guy shooting will normally just run in after you. So run into the room, stop, and let him run in front of you, then BAM!

very satisfying. I was getting creamed every game (as Robinph can vouch for) but I spent a good while with a mate playing all the maps on custom. e.g. on guardian, one of us would practice holding the lift area, the other practices taking it. Very useful in real games.

cedomination

acorkonian wrote: »

the plasma pistol with smg is possibly the worst thing u can pick up...that was a halo 2 fad not halo 3..if u can pick up battle riffle...best weapon in the game..speaking from years of exp...level 40 in lone wolves at the moment:)

Oh dear god fix your sig:mad:

Anyhow,listen to o Diablo o,he gave me some great tips for halo 2 a while ago,and they improved me quite a bit.

o Diablo o

No they didnt

Wisesmurf

hotnipples wrote: »

ORLY?! Thanks for your pearls of wisdom, ill remember to have my gun reloaded and take cover if im hit next time

Productive me thinks.. How can you possibly manage the two thumb-sticks with your single brain cell?

DarkJager

Just found something out last night thanks to the onscreen tips in the game!! If you overcharge the plasma pistol and fire it at a moving vehicle, it seems to instantly cut the motor out and they stop moving. Could be very useful for those bastards who like to hog the ghost and wreck everyones head.

cedomination

o Diablo o wrote: »

No they didnt

Hold on,am I thinking of someone else or are you trying to say Im still crap

o Diablo o

Yeah thats what i meant. Only jokin tho. How come you didnt go to WGL?

hotnipples

Wisesmurf wrote: »

Productive me thinks.. How can you possibly manage the two thumb-sticks with your single brain cell?

I generally do have a bit of trouble, admittedly. Keeping my gun reloaded and hiding behind a wall to allow my shield to recover thankfully only requires the use of the B button and one of the sticks. So I've ticked both my survival checkboxes there havent I?

0ubliette

cedomination wrote: »

Oh dear god fix your sig:mad:

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Thats the biggest ****ing signature ive ever seen! Ever!!

krudler

you can defintely see people are taking the team approach during the team slayer games now, i HATE when people camp out at the top of lifts though esp in construct, i dont like that level anyway and a team of 3 guys were all at the top of the big golden coloured lift, i had an energy drain so i chucked it in there and watched it float, by the time it got up it exploded and killed all 3 of them, my first triple kill

the needler is a far underused weapon, the first one i go for every match, its great for long distance kills and if someone is running away or towards you theyre a sitting duck every time, better in outdoor sections

DONT go charging off in opposite directions in team slayer matches, stick at least some way together and use your firepower, i was part of a team that won 50-6 because i had a mini gun and needler, 2 others had sniper rifles and shotguns and the last guy had a plasma sword and brute shot, so we all held one area and let them come to us

assasination kills are fun

pljudge321

DarkJager wrote: »

Just found something out last night thanks to the onscreen tips in the game!! If you overcharge the plasma pistol and fire it at a moving vehicle, it seems to instantly cut the motor out and they stop moving. Could be very useful for those bastards who like to hog the ghost and wreck everyones head.

It's nearly impossible to hit them though, power drainer works better.

To the op, you might want to change your button configuration to boxer, lets you melee by pushing in by the right stick, its slightly quicker and you wont have to move your finger away from the stick so you will remain more mobile. Also try turning up your sensitivity as I find the default to be too slow and sluggish.

You could also try holding the controller the mad way I do with your trigger finger on the a button and your other two fingers on the trigger and bumper.
Works for me though some of my friends think its a bit odd.

Ross_Mahon

Learn the maps and weapons, duel weild different guns to make a lethal combo, try get good with a sniper and pick people off. Steal kills as much as you can, theres nothing wrong with it. Kill the guy thats nearly dead and then kill the guy that was doing all the work! lol Over time of playing lots, you will become much better

pbsuxok1znja4r

Shotgun/Sword/Hammer/Dual Maulers in a bubble shield. You're invincible.
Same items as above behind a wall or around a corner. You're in a good position.

If you're behind cover waiting for your shield to regen, you can still pop out every second or two in the meantime to have a little shot at that opponent, because every time you get hit at all, the 4 seconds or so shield regen time gets resest. Meaning you're keeping his shields down while yours regenerate. Then you can run out and take him out head on no problem.

Don't run around in the wide open with short range weapons out like the sword/hammer/shotgun. Do run around closed quarters with them out. By the same token, I wouldn't recommend running around small corriders and corners with a long range weapon like sniper rifle out. Unless you're a damn quick draw with it.

Always always take the higher ground. Unless it's a close quarter area vs open area and you have a superior short range weapon. But for standard BR and Assault Rifle situations, go high.

If you're playing oddball or crazy king, I find you can buy buckets of invaluable time letting your opponent chase you round and round a pillar or rock, while you rack up seconds. Use the radar for this, to stay 12 hours away from 'em at all times.



A few of the best places to make your stand:

Construct: Top of the yellow lift. Esp if you got teammates workin' with you there. Best equipment is BR/Sniper and a sword.
Snowbound: In the cave, if you have the right equipment - Shotun and bubble shield, ideally.
The pit: Again, if you got a sword or shotgun, hit the square building that houses the sword.
Guardian: Not such an easy one. No good camping spots, but what I like to do if I have a powerful short range weapon (shotgun/hammer/maulers) is just run back and forth through all the enclosed corridors, all the while watching the radar for prey round the corner.
Highground: On objective games on defense I'd go straight for the spartan laz0r and camp the ledge behind that roof. Anyone trying to plant teh b0mb or steal teh flag is easily toasted from there. Enemy'll get wise to your game after a while there though.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Riesen_Meal

DarkJager wrote: »

Just found something out last night thanks to the onscreen tips in the game!! If you overcharge the plasma pistol and fire it at a moving vehicle, it seems to instantly cut the motor out and they stop moving. Could be very useful for those bastards who like to hog the ghost and wreck everyones head.

Welcome to Halo 2!

Doffaldinho

Don't feel bad, I know a 12 year old that is fantastic at the game, Headshots galore He don't cheat either

Practice makes perfect

o Diablo o

Fieldog wrote: »

Welcome to Halo 2!

Ah, no.

papajimsmooth

Collected information

Tips :

- Find a partner to practice with and host a custom ... Play on a map such as guardian and use strictly the rifles (excluding assault rifle). Make sure you are both on the same team and have over-shields on. Head to the middle and work on your BR and Carbine skills ... Also ... you can practice sniping in between the two bases. If you can consistently shoot someone on your own team (where you have NO auto aim), you will become much more effective when you have auto-aim.

- Sure the new sniping system is harder ... I think we can all agree on that ... Host up a custom and get a few friends ... start practicing ... The easiest thing that I have found is to make it so you only really get points for head shots. Do this by making the game go to 250 and award 10 points per head shot ... (25 head shots for the win) ... You would be surprised at how much better you can get after a couple of hours drilling your sniping skills.

- Spend time fooling around on the maps ... Make extremely weird game-types and just enjoy the maps ... You will find a ton of places to snipe from or double jump up to ... In Match Making you don't spend a lot of time exploring the little edges on the maps ... In customs you can find a ton of weird places that you never knew you could stand or walk on. GO EXPLORING!! and get off Live for a half hour.

- Spend a bit of time throwing nades around the corners of the maps and then watching where the go in Theater mode. You can find ways to nade out campers rather quickly by using Theater. Also ... if you know that the other team is holding a specific base ... knowing how to throw some well placed nades can easily give your team a point or two.

- Memorize the respawn time on important guns/power ups. Make a note of when you picked up active camo or the rockets ... by knowing when they will respawn ... you can gain a significant advantage in keeping control of the map. (or regaining control if you got careless and lost it)


Tricks :

- There is a ledge that you can double jump up to on Construct. The room between sniper spawn and sword spawn has a giant glass piece ... if you get in a corner by the glass piece you can double jump onto of the piece of glass and then jump on top of the level ... There is a small area on top of the map that you can stand in and get some easy BR kills .... (If you need a demonstration ... watch Gunshots 4v4 on colossus ... it should be down-loadable for a while.)

- You can double jump into the higher rooms of "The Pit" with a sniper rifle (more useful when you have the lead) ... and have a wonderful sniping platform with a good amount of cover.

- The is a crouch jumpable ledge by the active camo on "Guardian" that is just out of the view of someone on the ground ... If you can find it ... you can use it to Ninja countless people ... I always get a kick out of screaming Ninja.

- Placing a bubble sheild down when the enemy has a shotgun is a great way to lure them into a conveniently dropped nade ... the nade will not only damage the shotty nub ... but it will also destroy the bubble sheild ... a quick head shot ... and you've earned yourself a kill and the nublit's shotgun.

- There is a double jump onto a ledge of sniper tower on Guardian ... again ... enjoy screaming ninja as you assassinate the nubs who walk right underneath you.

- On "The Narrows" you can needler someone while you warp from one side to another ... just learn how to lead your shot a bit.

- You can nade jump into the sea-wall window on "Last Resort" then use the bubble shield that you find inside to protect yourself ... It throws some people off (not everyone though ... let me warn you)


Tactics :

- How do you deal with a pesky camper? ... What if the whole team is camping? ... Don't just keep rushing in ... take minute to group up and grab some decent weapons ... then take a moment to run around above/around them to get them all excited ... and then just have everyone stop moving ... have two people crouch to one entrance and the other two go to another ... Have 1 team stand up and run a bit ... then rush in ... They should be able to go about 1 for 1 ... the second team rushes in once the chaos starts ... the campers can't cover all the entrances fast enough and you can quickly overtake the campers "den" ... (I've done this a few times w/ some friends and it works pretty well ... but it's hard to do w/o people that you play w/ regularly) ... It's complex ... but in reality it only takes about 30 seconds to pull off.

- If you know someone is camping a corner with the mauler ... I normally will just let him sit there and wait for someone else to kill ... He/she isn't helping their team by just standing there ... Camping by yourself is a selfish strategy and in the end ... only hurts the team ... let the person camp and take advantage of your "power play" against the rest of their team.

- Use the radar jammer as a massive distraction ... I normally put it down ... then move a LONG ways away ... n just snipe the people who are carefully checking behind every corner ...

- Play customs ... as odd as it sounds ... customs will often spawn you with weapons that require more skill ... Master the skill weapons and you'll do significantly better with nub weapons ... ... On top of that ... Customs normally are more competitive and help you actually learn map strategy as opposed to just skill.

- Try and always be shooting (and doing actual damage) ... without taking damage yourself. Assists are huge in the game ... If your giving assists ... you will be getting kills ... Even if it is just 1 BR shot from across the map ... It could be the shot that saves your partners from death. If your not shooting ... your not dealing damage ... if your not dealing damage ... you not doing your Team any good ... (I understand that there are strategies that require you to NOT shoot ... but in general ... shooting bullets is a good thing)


Map Control Points :

- Isolation -
Power Weapons/Items - Rockets (1), Sniper (1), Needler (1), Shield Regenerators
Control Point : In my opinion the best place to hold is the top base with BR's and the power weapons ... There are two BR spawns at the high base to keep you full on ammo and you have plenty of cover ... if need ... you can even drop down using the "flood" chute. As long as you quickly call out where the other team is spawning, you can maintain map control for a long period of time.

- Narrows -
Control Point : ... I'm not 100% sure about this ... But my favorite way to hold map ... is to take rockets and hold YOUR OWN BASE as best as you can. Getting Both snipers helps a lot as well. The reason that this works a bit is because Bungie will generally spawn each team in their respective base. This way ... if your blue team (holding blue base) ... and all 4 red team members rush you ... When they die, they respawn across the map w/o any weapons (from all the dead people) ... However, if you die ... you respawn in blue base and can quickly snatch up decent weapons again (from all the people who have died) this helps you to keep control of the power weapons AND allows you to "power play" the other team easier. Keep a close eye on you teams "power up" and try and control that ... This is what I have found works pretty good ... but, as I said ... I'm not 100% sure that it is the best strategy for this map.

- MLG Ball on Guardian -
For the MLG players out there ... take the ball into the Hallway from Yellow 2 to Blue (the hallway above shotty) ... Put a shotty/AR into blue room and the others into Yellow 2 ... This control strat works wonderfully and is rather difficult to break. Another thing to try ... is putting 1 of the people who would have been in Yellow 2 on top of the broken tree where the bubble shield is normally found.

- Guardian -
I prefer holding sniper tower ... the biggest thing is keeping an eye on elbow ... If they can get onto elbow it can give them an easy nade into Snipe 2 ... Snipe tower is nice because if all 4 of your team is at Snipes you can watch every entrance and with some good communication you can quickly shut down any attempts to take over snipe tower. This is because all of the ways to enter snipe tower have minimal cover ... that's just my opinion though.

- Construct -
HOLD THE TOP ... If your team can hold the top and pick up the maulers/BR's ... you should be able to gain a good advantage over the other team. Beyond that ... COMMUNICATE ... if you know where the other team is trying to get to the top from ... you can quickly lend a hand ... either across map with your BR ... or close w/ the Mauler ... or nade out around some corners.

bouncing nades off walls is a huge advantage. for example= on epitaph if im in the inner part next to a door way and someone is charging at me ill run out the door and immediatly look to the right and bounce a nade off the wall. That way the guy following doesnt see me throw it and with the little ledge on most of the outside walkways it stays right there and so when they come barging through i turn around and just pop off whatever weapon i have cuase there sheilds are usually down and get the kill. keep the posts comin! I love gettin an advantage to work my friends over with

Originally Posted by o MURDEROTICA o
I use a modified version of the sweep from halo 2 when sniping. The classic drag across doesn't work anymore with minimized autoaim. So instead of sweeping across, sweep up. Just a little sweep right at the shot. Increases head shots by a lot, especially in heavy fire or close range.

Dades

Jasus and there's me just running about shootin' stuff!

FutureGuy

Dades wrote: »

Jasus and there's me just running about shootin' stuff!

Works for me